People keep using the same line to defend respecs, and it has begun to wear on my patience. That line is..

"What do people who don't want respecs have to lose?"

This is usually followed by some personal attacks, something about speccing out of FotM, something about fear of newbies, and general name-calling. So I'm here to clear up the confusion and shut down a few rather virulent badposters.

If we give a respec, Imagine we have Alex. Alex spent his SP willy-nilly, just playing and testing. He didn't have a plan in mind, so if he gets a respec he can start over, plan accordingly, and put points into his favored playstyle. It's all good... for Alex.

In case you didn't get the hint, Alex is players who want respecs.

Then after the respec, we have Bob. Bob spent his SP wisely, making each choice count. He has all his points placed in carefully thought arrangements, and doesn't regret a single level. When he puts his points in again, he puts them back in the exact same place. His game hasn't changed at all, and he is upset that the game rewarded Alex, who screwed up his SP, and snubbed him.

In case you didn't get the hint, Bob is everyone else.

The Alex's of the game refuse to see things from the point of view of the Bob's. Those of us who had a plan get nothing for it, and feel like all our work was for naught.

A simple solution would be to give some goodies out along with the respec, or make it a choice between goodies and respec. The former would probably be easier on CCP, but either would give the Bob's something instead of just telling them to sod off.

Actually, the concern is that people will use SP respecs to chase the flavor of the month. If optional SP respecs came with a disincentive like losing 1/5 of your life time SP to discourage FotM chasers, "Bob"s wouldn't be so against respecs.

Vehicles are having their skill tree redone, so they deserve their refund of SP invested into the current vehicle skill tree.

You don't know Jack.

He planned, tested, and found a playstyle that fit him. He played it, and enjoyed it. Then CCP came in, and ruined an entire playstyle. Jack's playstyle. Now he wants a respec.

Actually, the concern is that people will use SP respecs to chase the flavor of the month. If optional SP respecs came with a disincentive like losing 1/5 of your life time SP to discourage FotM chasers, "Bob"s wouldn't be so against respecs.

Vehicles are having their skill tree redone, so they deserve their refund of SP invested into the current vehicle skill tree.

I still don't see how this negatively impacts people who have their mode of gameplay down pat, they get to keep on doing what they do.

Those who either didn't know any better, or were so bored out of their skull waiting for content that should have been in the game at release get what they want.

I have HTFU about this but I'm still always saddened the Amarr HAV wasn't put in the game sooner. I have skills all over the place which should have been put into my beloved tanks....now however I am being shunned because they couldn't get their content together to make a full release.

SO here in this argument it always comes down to one side being given the cold shoulder or the other. I have put a year into this game same as most, but still haven't gotten what I wanted/ needed out of it. That's not my fault that's down to the devs. And I'll wait for the content, admittedly I am a little raw of recent weeks, but I will wait same as the rest of you for what I want.

Presently its a P2P market I desire so I can get into indy work.

People keep using the same line to defend respecs, and it has begun to wear on my patience. That line is..

"What do people who don't want respecs have to lose?"

This is usually followed by some personal attacks, something about speccing out of FotM, something about fear of newbies, and general name-calling. So I'm here to clear up the confusion and shut down a few rather virulent badposters.

If we give a respec, Imagine we have Alex. Alex spent his SP willy-nilly, just playing and testing. He didn't have a plan in mind, so if he gets a respec he can start over, plan accordingly, and put points into his favored playstyle. It's all good... for Alex.

In case you didn't get the hint, Alex is players who want respecs.

Then after the respec, we have Bob. Bob spent his SP wisely, making each choice count. He has all his points placed in carefully thought arrangements, and doesn't regret a single level. When he puts his points in again, he puts them back in the exact same place. His game hasn't changed at all, and he is upset that the game rewarded Alex, who screwed up his SP, and snubbed him.

In case you didn't get the hint, Bob is everyone else.

The Alex's of the game refuse to see things from the point of view of the Bob's. Those of us who had a plan get nothing for it, and feel like all our work was for naught.

A simple solution would be to give some goodies out along with the respec, or make it a choice between goodies and respec. The former would probably be easier on CCP, but either would give the Bob's something instead of just telling them to sod off.

Alex was not rewarded; Alex was simply not punished for investing SP into his only viable option to avoid getting stomped on for months, testing items out that don't have militia versions, or using his SP in some other non-stupid way. For instance, will Heavies get a respec when they get their racial variants? I refuse to spec into Amarr Sentinel's myself, but many players have. Who wants to get stomped on waiting for variants? So, they go for the only available choice. Then they need to grind back up millions of SP for what they really wanted, and their previous investment is rendered useless.

Actually, the concern is that people will use SP respecs to chase the flavor of the month. If optional SP respecs came with a disincentive like losing 1/5 of your life time SP to discourage FotM chasers, "Bob"s wouldn't be so against respecs.

Vehicles are having their skill tree redone, so they deserve their refund of SP invested into the current vehicle skill tree.

It's not that it negatively impacts them, it's that it doesn't reward them. They don't get anything out of the respec, which to the Alex's of the game would be a major event. Think of it like CCP completely reworking all the Caldari HAVs out of the blue, making them better in every way, while the Gallente ones aren't hurt, but they didn't get anything either. The Gally HAVers would be pissed, and rightfully so.

As for the racial variants thing, they should have had that done before beta officially ended. If nothing else they should have put in the placeholder models and statted them the way they want to. Now we have to wait for them, and beta test them during 'full release.' If I hadn't have given up on Heavy after Chromosome, I'd be irritated about the lack of Minny Hoovs

So basically, BOB wants to keep his advantage over Alex.

We already knew this bro. bob is scared of Alex.

PLUS its not all ALEX fault! There are no MLT variants of MANY stuff so he HAD to spend SP to test it.

Your argument is bad and you should feel bad.

But I'm willing to bed all but 50 of those people will spec out of vehicles and into infantry.

What if infantry players see that vehicles are good and want to spec into vehicles?

it is only fair to give everyone a chance to switch around.

The whole 'chasing fotm' argument is stupid because in one month, everyone will already spec the current fotm anyway,so a respec only brings it closer, rather than stops it.

Veteran players also won't benefit as much as new players. Most vets have between 20 mil (low) to 40 mil (high) and with a respec, probably wouldn't change much. Maybe they'd streamline a bit, ya know, ignore a few types of equipment and maybe spec out of the flaylock and swarm launchers, but that'd be it. The vets knew where to spend their SP from the get-go and new players did not.
On the other hand, a newberry with 3 million SP all over the place would benefit a lot more from a RESPEC, as he would move around 100% of his SP to streamline and become effective, increasing his enjoyment of the game; a veteran might move around 20% of his SP.

Personally, I have 25% of my SP in tanks and 75% in infantry (equipment, callogi, MD). I would like to have the option to streamline one way or the other.

Truth is, most people who originally wanted to spec vehicles have put more SP into infantry because infantry is more profitable, but now we may want to try out vehicles again, and use them to their full effectiveness, just like someone else may want to put all their SP into one weapon and one suit.



Nobody gets punished by a respec, only some are rewarded more than others. Newbs will stay at a disadvtange to vets, but it'll be less so, which is something we all need to keep this game alive.

Iam pro-respec!

I never said Bob was afraid of Alex, that is you failing to see things from a Bob's point of view. You are having an X-Man moment: I am different and therefore better. You think that your poor SP choices are responsible for your combat failings. You think Bob is only good because he spent his SP wisely.

What is actually going on is that Alex is not getting punished for throwing his SP about, while Bob is not getting rewarded for being careful with his SP. Even if you tested some equipment, do you know how little the first level of any skill matters? You can train it off of two or three good matches. That is no excuse for being poor with SP. Bob is getting thrown to the wayside, and the DEVs are breaking their word to appease the Alex's.

Yeah they really should have. Because of that I am likely to be stuck with the bullshit Gallentean crap I was forced to invest in and as a direct result ruining my enjoyment of a game I was so looking forwards to.

Your rebuttal is stupid and you should feel stupid.

I never said Bob was afraid of Alex, that is you failing to see things from a Bob's point of view. You are having an X-Man moment: I am different and therefore better. You think that your poor SP choices are responsible for your combat failings. You think Bob is only good because he spent his SP wisely.

What is actually going on is that Alex is not getting punished for throwing his SP about, while Bob is not getting rewarded for being careful with his SP. Even if you tested some equipment, do you know how little the first level of any skill matters? You can train it off of two or three good matches. That is no excuse for being poor with SP. Bob is getting thrown to the wayside, and the DEVs are breaking their word to appease the Alex's.

GÖªOf course you wont admit Bob is Afraid of Alex. You are Bob.
GÖªEven with his Poor SP decisions (which were NOT POOR AT THE TIME THEY WERE MADE, they got nerfed by Bob) Alex can still pound bob.
GÖªI never Said Bob was good. I said Bob has an advantage over Alex.
GÖªWho said Alex throwesd his SP about? Alex wanted to be a Nova Knife scout and an AV specialist. Both got Nerfed to the ground. This is not poor SP choices, not spending SP poorly, this is something inevitable that when it happns to BOB, ALex wont be there to support him.
GÖªDevs are breaking their word because there are more Alex's than Bobs, and the Devs KNOW Alex's are rights.Bobs arent.Simple.

He. Never. Thought.

To me the arguments boil down to one thing, choice. Should DUST be the type of game where your choices matter? We have heard it from CCP in many different ways, even in videos (~1:00) that our choices matter.

Bob, knowing this, made his choices wisely. He does not want a respec because respecs do one thing above all else, invalidate all previous choices. Respecs make choice NOT matter.

I think Alex needs to HTFU.

To me the arguments boil down to one thing, choice. Should DUST be the type of game where your choices matter? We have heard it from CCP in many different ways, even in videos (~1:00) that our choices matter.

Bob, knowing this, made his choices wisely. He does not want a respec because respecs do one thing above all else, invalidate all previous choices. Respecs make choice NOT matter.

I think Alex needs to HTFU.

Bolding everything you say is annoying. Fixed.

I won't even bother with a point-by-point, most of your points are pure opinion and heavily biased.

Bobs are not afraid of Alexs. Alexs feel persecuted and wish to turn that into a positive thing by thinking they are superior. You think you're better than a Bob. You are not. You are the same. Bob and Alex started the same, and had the same chances with the same points and same skills. Bob ended up doing better because he was careful. If Alex had simply been as careful, he would have been alot better off.

Also, if your particular Alex decided to specialize into a SIDEARM and a NICHE PLAY-STYLE without putting points into the basics, he shot himself in the foot. He never thought about what he would do in a wide-open map, he never thought what he would do without expensive caskets to hunt. He. Never. Thought.

Also, DEVs are not giving a full respec. Just a partial to vehicles because of major restructuring. Sensible and reasonable.