No respecs Bob's smart decision making should be rewards. EvE rewards smart players and that mentally should carry over to dust still anoyyed these threads keep getting raised.

Sometimes in games things that **** u off are in there to **** u off on purpose. WOW graveyard runs are a perfect example of this :-)

Jesus christ, how many times do I have to say it? This isn't a flavor of the month thing, or wanting a respec for the sake of it. They're removing turrets, modules, skills and hulls. They're changing activation and cooldown times for modules. They're changing the effectiveness of modules. For some pilots, honestly, it just won't be worth it anymore due to the changes infantry forced on CCP. We make tanks work now, and infantry doesn't like it, because they STILL complain that vehicles are OP.

Don't you see, that's it's CCP changing this, completely, and not looking for an easy out?

People keep using the same line to defend respecs, and it has begun to wear on my patience. That line is..

"What do people who don't want respecs have to lose?"

This is usually followed by some personal attacks, something about speccing out of FotM, something about fear of newbies, and general name-calling. So I'm here to clear up the confusion and shut down a few rather virulent badposters.

If we give a respec, Imagine we have Alex. Alex spent his SP willy-nilly, just playing and testing. He didn't have a plan in mind, so if he gets a respec he can start over, plan accordingly, and put points into his favored playstyle. It's all good... for Alex.

In case you didn't get the hint, Alex is players who want respecs.

Then after the respec, we have Bob. Bob spent his SP wisely, making each choice count. He has all his points placed in carefully thought arrangements, and doesn't regret a single level. When he puts his points in again, he puts them back in the exact same place. His game hasn't changed at all, and he is upset that the game rewarded Alex, who screwed up his SP, and snubbed him.

In case you didn't get the hint, Bob is everyone else.

The Alex's of the game refuse to see things from the point of view of the Bob's. Those of us who had a plan get nothing for it, and feel like all our work was for naught.

A simple solution would be to give some goodies out along with the respec, or make it a choice between goodies and respec. The former would probably be easier on CCP, but either would give the Bob's something instead of just telling them to sod off.

I'm against a respec cause everyone is going to sepc into Gal Logi and ScR. Basically, they will move to the other side of the boat and cause it to tilt the other way.

That means everyone else will spec into stuff that kills armour...my GalAssault will not be pleased.

People keep using the same line to defend respecs, and it has begun to wear on my patience. That line is..

"What do people who don't want respecs have to lose?"

This is usually followed by some personal attacks, something about speccing out of FotM, something about fear of newbies, and general name-calling. So I'm here to clear up the confusion and shut down a few rather virulent badposters.

If we give a respec, Imagine we have Alex. Alex spent his SP willy-nilly, just playing and testing. He didn't have a plan in mind, so if he gets a respec he can start over, plan accordingly, and put points into his favored playstyle. It's all good... for Alex.

In case you didn't get the hint, Alex is players who want respecs.

Then after the respec, we have Bob. Bob spent his SP wisely, making each choice count. He has all his points placed in carefully thought arrangements, and doesn't regret a single level. When he puts his points in again, he puts them back in the exact same place. His game hasn't changed at all, and he is upset that the game rewarded Alex, who screwed up his SP, and snubbed him.

In case you didn't get the hint, Bob is everyone else.

The Alex's of the game refuse to see things from the point of view of the Bob's. Those of us who had a plan get nothing for it, and feel like all our work was for naught.

A simple solution would be to give some goodies out along with the respec, or make it a choice between goodies and respec. The former would probably be easier on CCP, but either would give the Bob's something instead of just telling them to sod off.

People keep using the same line to defend respecs, and it has begun to wear on my patience. That line is..

"What do people who don't want respecs have to lose?"

This is usually followed by some personal attacks, something about speccing out of FotM, something about fear of newbies, and general name-calling. So I'm here to clear up the confusion and shut down a few rather virulent badposters.

If we give a respec, Imagine we have Alex. Alex spent his SP willy-nilly, just playing and testing. He didn't have a plan in mind, so if he gets a respec he can start over, plan accordingly, and put points into his favored playstyle. It's all good... for Alex.

In case you didn't get the hint, Alex is players who want respecs.

Then after the respec, we have Bob. Bob spent his SP wisely, making each choice count. He has all his points placed in carefully thought arrangements, and doesn't regret a single level. When he puts his points in again, he puts them back in the exact same place. His game hasn't changed at all, and he is upset that the game rewarded Alex, who screwed up his SP, and snubbed him.

In case you didn't get the hint, Bob is everyone else.

The Alex's of the game refuse to see things from the point of view of the Bob's. Those of us who had a plan get nothing for it, and feel like all our work was for naught.

A simple solution would be to give some goodies out along with the respec, or make it a choice between goodies and respec. The former would probably be easier on CCP, but either would give the Bob's something instead of just telling them to sod off.

TL;DR

no personal attacks here.

for the skim that i did over one part of this, bob is very selfish.

all that the respec did was help other people, but because he didn't get something, he's upset. bob is very immature.

And then we have Charlie... He likes the Amarr and would not stoop to debasing himself to use a Minmatar heretic's weapon, but there is no heavy weapon to go with his heavy Amarr suit. So he skills into Forge Gun or HMG, but now they are saying that the Forge is Caldari and the HMG is Minmatar. What can he do? He wants his points back to skill them into the holy and blessed Amarr tools of destruction! (Similarly for people wanting to stick with Minmatar stuff instead of Galente with the AR vs. Combat Rifle stuff.)

Oh and here's another thread to discuss respec for AUR as an option:

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=118583&find=unread

His name is Robert Paulson .... His name is Robert Paulson .... His name is Robert Paulson ....

So let me get this straight, Bob is pissed because Alex now knows what he wants to skill into and has learned and improved his play style? IMO Bob should be happy that Alex became a competent player, not spite him. I'm in favor of ONE repsec for all players until we get proper testing facilities, because as it stands now the only way to know what you're getting into (as a new player) is to skill into it and use it on the battlefield. Those who don't want respects lose nothing, those FOTM chasers get locked and those with new found knowledge become more stable.

Tl;Dr
One (optional) respect for all until we get proper equipment test facilities.

That is what "Bob' is worried about.

Bobberry~ one who negates a respec for all for selfish reasons.

and life doesn't have a respec button for those same 'selfish' reasons I suppose?

go play cod. I hear they give respecs.

Well if this is real life then I'm taken aback, I thought this was a game. Are you going to argue that life is a game now? I suppose "low genius" is an apt name for you. Let's hear it, why don't you want a respect? Validate yourself.

Aaaaaaaaaaaand personal attacks, aren't we all just having fun.

Bob isn't worried about Alex. He is upset that what he has done has amounted to nothing because CCP, in this scenario, let Alex off the hook. Furthermore, because Bob doesn't need a respec, what should be a momentous occasion the likes of which no-one will ever see again is, to him, just a mild irritation to put his points back where they were.

Bobs get nothing, so why should they support Alexs trying to poke CCP until they give in? Why should Alexs get something special for screwing up? Why should Alex not just buck up and start putting SP in better investments? It's what Bob does. Lvl I is very easy to get.

Aaaaaaaaaaaand personal attacks, aren't we all just having fun.

Bob isn't worried about Alex. He is upset that what he has done has amounted to nothing because CCP, in this scenario, let Alex off the hook. Furthermore, because Bob doesn't need a respec, what should be a momentous occasion the likes of which no-one will ever see again is, to him, just a mild irritation to put his points back where they were.

Bobs get nothing, so why should they support Alexs trying to poke CCP until they give in? Why should Alexs get something special for screwing up? Why should Alex not just buck up and start putting SP in better investments? It's what Bob does. Lvl I is very easy to get.

People keep using the same line to defend respecs, and it has begun to wear on my patience. That line is..

"What do people who don't want respecs have to lose?"

This is usually followed by some personal attacks, something about speccing out of FotM, something about fear of newbies, and general name-calling. So I'm here to clear up the confusion and shut down a few rather virulent badposters.

If we give a respec, Imagine we have Alex. Alex spent his SP willy-nilly, just playing and testing. He didn't have a plan in mind, so if he gets a respec he can start over, plan accordingly, and put points into his favored playstyle. It's all good... for Alex.

In case you didn't get the hint, Alex is players who want respecs.

Then after the respec, we have Bob. Bob spent his SP wisely, making each choice count. He has all his points placed in carefully thought arrangements, and doesn't regret a single level. When he puts his points in again, he puts them back in the exact same place. His game hasn't changed at all, and he is upset that the game rewarded Alex, who screwed up his SP, and snubbed him.

In case you didn't get the hint, Bob is everyone else.

The Alex's of the game refuse to see things from the point of view of the Bob's. Those of us who had a plan get nothing for it, and feel like all our work was for naught.

A simple solution would be to give some goodies out along with the respec, or make it a choice between goodies and respec. The former would probably be easier on CCP, but either would give the Bob's something instead of just telling them to sod off.

I'll never understand Bob's line of thinking here. We are basically still playing a beta. I would assume that most people that are still playing the game want to see it succeed.

It will be 7 months from the initial release of the game by the time all racial variants of rifles will be released. I already have over 10 million SP invested into weapons. I guess it won't be that big of a deal for me to wait a month or so to skill into the new weapons, but why should I have to??

This new content is content that should have been available on 5/14, just as the suits should have been.

If they were adding the a tier II special dropsuit or something I could understand. I would be screaming that respecs aren't needed.

What we've all be doing since 5/14 is beta testing. I'm not sure why it's so hard for some people to comprehend that.

And just to add to my point above.

The FOTM chasers are actually doing the game a favor. They highlight the OPness or the shortcomings of items rather quickly.

Other than holding on to the ideals from Eve I still can't wrap my head around the anti-respec mindset.

I do believe that a lot of vets are worried that all these randoms might get their **** together if their SP were allocated properly.

Valid points. New features are introduced, things break, RACIAL EQUALITY has yet to be established. For example: Alex wants to be a scout, he only had 2 options so he invested into a proto min scout and the skills and weapons that fit that play style. A couple months later the Caldari scout is released, Alex much prefers the Caldari style but when he started the Cal scout DID NOT EXIST. Is this fair to him? Is it fair to Bob who wanted Amarr dropships but had to settle?
Current skills and specs are SP sinks to those that can't have their preferred fits as they'll have to spend tremendous SP to get into the new offerings while leaving their current MO in the Dust.

People keep using the same line to defend respecs, and it has begun to wear on my patience. That line is..

"What do people who don't want respecs have to lose?"

This is usually followed by some personal attacks, something about speccing out of FotM, something about fear of newbies, and general name-calling. So I'm here to clear up the confusion and shut down a few rather virulent badposters.

If we give a respec, Imagine we have Alex. Alex spent his SP willy-nilly, just playing and testing. He didn't have a plan in mind, so if he gets a respec he can start over, plan accordingly, and put points into his favored playstyle. It's all good... for Alex.

In case you didn't get the hint, Alex is players who want respecs.

Then after the respec, we have Bob. Bob spent his SP wisely, making each choice count. He has all his points placed in carefully thought arrangements, and doesn't regret a single level. When he puts his points in again, he puts them back in the exact same place. His game hasn't changed at all, and he is upset that the game rewarded Alex, who screwed up his SP, and snubbed him.

In case you didn't get the hint, Bob is everyone else.

The Alex's of the game refuse to see things from the point of view of the Bob's. Those of us who had a plan get nothing for it, and feel like all our work was for naught.

A simple solution would be to give some goodies out along with the respec, or make it a choice between goodies and respec. The former would probably be easier on CCP, but either would give the Bob's something instead of just telling them to sod off.