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low genius
The Sound Of Freedom
Renegade Alliance
911
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Posted - 2013.11.22 05:13:00 -
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the op is missing something.
the learning curve is a fundamental part of this game. without it, the game loses a lot of it's "real" nature.
it's only the concept that bob can start after alex, make better decisions, show better self-control and get those skills that count... and bob can be better than alex. even if alex is an old character who made stupid or ill-informed decisions.
in this way bob has a chance to catch up to, and even surpass alex. that is the power that players have in this game. it's a different kind of power. it's the power of forethought and preparation.
in the real world alex does not get a respec. and neither does bob.
eve is real.
the alex's of new eden didn't save the triple sp that ccp just gave them. the alex's of new eden don't have 3 million sp sitting waiting for new gear. the alex's of new eden don't plan ahead.
the bob's of new eden are sitting with 3 or 5 million sp in their pocket right now just waiting to be better than alex when they drop those new rifles. the bob's of new eden know that alex isn't get his respec, and he can therefore be beaten.
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low genius
The Sound Of Freedom
Renegade Alliance
911
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Posted - 2013.11.22 05:26:00 -
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Borne Velvalor wrote:low genius wrote:the op is missing something. the learning curve is a fundamental part of this game. without it, the game loses a lot of it's "real" nature. it's only the concept that bob can start after alex, make better decisions, show better self-control and get those skills that count... and bob can be better than alex. even if alex is an old character who made stupid or ill-informed decisions. in this way bob has a chance to catch up to, and even surpass alex. that is the power that players have in this game. it's a different kind of power. it's the power of forethought and preparation. in the real world alex does not get a respec. and neither does bob. eve is real. the alex's of new eden didn't save the triple sp that ccp just gave them. the alex's of new eden don't have 3 million sp sitting waiting for new gear. the alex's of new eden don't plan ahead. the bob's of new eden are sitting with 3 or 5 million sp in their pocket right now just waiting to be better than alex when they drop those new rifles. the bob's of new eden know that alex isn't get his respec, and he can therefore be beaten. Maybe the Alex's of New Eden didn't want to get stomped for a month waiting for new gear? Oh, what fun. Get stomped on more for a month leading to the update or get stomped on for the month after the next update. Of course, chances are if you have 20 million SP it was easy to save up. Plus, high SP players start growing horizontally, leaving less room for optimization, anyway.
I use standard guns and an advanced suit in almost every situation. it takes about 2 weeks to get both of those things, which means you can get two sets of them in a month.
what you're missing is: you'll eventually have all these suits, and all of these guns because you're a first year character. why are you in such a hurry? |
low genius
The Sound Of Freedom
Renegade Alliance
912
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Posted - 2013.11.22 05:37:00 -
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Borne Velvalor wrote:low genius wrote:Borne Velvalor wrote:low genius wrote:the op is missing something. the learning curve is a fundamental part of this game. without it, the game loses a lot of it's "real" nature. it's only the concept that bob can start after alex, make better decisions, show better self-control and get those skills that count... and bob can be better than alex. even if alex is an old character who made stupid or ill-informed decisions. in this way bob has a chance to catch up to, and even surpass alex. that is the power that players have in this game. it's a different kind of power. it's the power of forethought and preparation. in the real world alex does not get a respec. and neither does bob. eve is real. the alex's of new eden didn't save the triple sp that ccp just gave them. the alex's of new eden don't have 3 million sp sitting waiting for new gear. the alex's of new eden don't plan ahead. the bob's of new eden are sitting with 3 or 5 million sp in their pocket right now just waiting to be better than alex when they drop those new rifles. the bob's of new eden know that alex isn't get his respec, and he can therefore be beaten. Maybe the Alex's of New Eden didn't want to get stomped for a month waiting for new gear? Oh, what fun. Get stomped on more for a month leading to the update or get stomped on for the month after the next update. Of course, chances are if you have 20 million SP it was easy to save up. Plus, high SP players start growing horizontally, leaving less room for optimization, anyway. I use standard guns and an advanced suit in almost every situation. it takes about 2 weeks to get both of those things, which means you can get two sets of them in a month. what you're missing is: you'll eventually have all these suits, and all of these guns because you're a first year character. why are you in such a hurry? This is true enough. However, it is undeniably frustrating to have months of SP locked into stuff you now feel obligated to use, when you never would've picked it had the basic content already existed at the time. I'm not that bad off, but some are pretty bad, I'm sure.
but it will always be that way. the game will change and balance 4 times a year drastically for the first few years. there will always be wasted skillpoints and there will always be wasted endeavors. there will be things introduced that destroy your current playstyle and require you to play differently.
it's the reason there's not a 'class' system or 'racial restrictions' system in new eden. if you were limited in any way as to what to skill next, then they would have to give you a respec to keep it interesting.
ccp always gives you a way to find a niche to kill old vets. |
low genius
The Sound Of Freedom
Renegade Alliance
914
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Posted - 2013.11.22 05:51:00 -
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Borne Velvalor wrote:DJINN Marauder wrote:Mobius Kaethis wrote:DJINN Marauder wrote:
I always thought that the "this is just a game" argument is pretty stupid imo.
I just like to point it out to people who are taking this stuff far too seriously. It is okay to get emotionally invested but in the end it is just a game and we need to be mellow and have fun with it. Meh. It's a game like you said but isn't that the point? To get emotionally invested? I think so. It's more fun to get invested. When you take a game seriously, it's probably because its fun. This. People sometimes assume I am seething with rage mashing my keyboard or something. For me, this is a casual debate about a game I enjoy, even if the tone of some of my posts does not always suggest such. low genius wrote:but it will always be that way. the game will change and balance 4 times a year drastically for the first few years. there will always be wasted skillpoints and there will always be wasted endeavors. there will be things introduced that destroy your current playstyle and require you to play differently.
it's the reason there's not a 'class' system or 'racial restrictions' system in new eden. if you were limited in any way as to what to skill next, then they would have to give you a respec to keep it interesting.
ccp always gives you a way to find a niche to kill old vets. Playing differently and going back to the month-on-month grind is a bit different. One is adapting, one is getting stomped until a number reaches a threshold and you can start to adapt. There are indeed always ways to kill vets, though. You're not limited, but after a while doesn't it feel like the growth is horizontal? You'll settle on a playstyle and look back fondly at the millions of SP spread vertically across the tree? 
I started playing eve 8 years late. you know how boned I would be if they gave all those 10 year vets a respec?
my strength is making better decisions than my opponents. it's getting those skills that they decided were too time intensive to get. it's doing the thing that they put off and put off because it wasn't easy.
it's the only way to get ahead. |
low genius
The Sound Of Freedom
Renegade Alliance
919
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Posted - 2013.11.22 17:51:00 -
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CRAZYHORSE ONE EIGHT wrote:His name is Robert Paulson .... His name is Robert Paulson .... His name is Robert Paulson ....
in death a member of project mayhem has a name. |
low genius
The Sound Of Freedom
Renegade Alliance
919
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Posted - 2013.11.22 17:52:00 -
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I don't care if they give a mandatory respec after 2 million skillpoints or something, but all you guys asking for respecs when you have 10 million sp is silly. |
low genius
The Sound Of Freedom
Renegade Alliance
922
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Posted - 2013.11.22 18:14:00 -
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Kahn Zo wrote:Athrak Kinz wrote:So let me get this straight, Bob is pissed because Alex now knows what he wants to skill into and has learned and improved his play style? IMO Bob should be happy that Alex became a competent player, not spite him. I'm in favor of ONE repsec for all players until we get proper testing facilities, because as it stands now the only way to know what you're getting into (as a new player) is to skill into it and use it on the battlefield. Those who don't want respects lose nothing, those FOTM chasers get locked and those with new found knowledge become more stable.
Tl;Dr
One (optional) respect for all until we get proper equipment test facilities.
That is what "Bob' is worried about. Bobberry~ one who negates a respec for all for selfish reasons.
and life doesn't have a respec button for those same 'selfish' reasons I suppose?
go play cod. I hear they give respecs. |
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