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CharCharOdell
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Posted - 2013.11.22 04:45:00 -
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medomai grey wrote:Actually, the concern is that people will use SP respecs to chase the flavor of the month. If optional SP respecs came with a disincentive like losing 1/5 of your life time SP to discourage FotM chasers, "Bob"s wouldn't be so against respecs.
Vehicles are having their skill tree redone, so they deserve their refund of SP invested into the current vehicle skill tree.
But I'm willing to bed all but 50 of those people will spec out of vehicles and into infantry.
What if infantry players see that vehicles are good and want to spec into vehicles?
it is only fair to give everyone a chance to switch around.
The whole 'chasing fotm' argument is stupid because in one month, everyone will already spec the current fotm anyway,so a respec only brings it closer, rather than stops it.
Veteran players also won't benefit as much as new players. Most vets have between 20 mil (low) to 40 mil (high) and with a respec, probably wouldn't change much. Maybe they'd streamline a bit, ya know, ignore a few types of equipment and maybe spec out of the flaylock and swarm launchers, but that'd be it. The vets knew where to spend their SP from the get-go and new players did not.
On the other hand, a newberry with 3 million SP all over the place would benefit a lot more from a RESPEC, as he would move around 100% of his SP to streamline and become effective, increasing his enjoyment of the game; a veteran might move around 20% of his SP.
Personally, I have 25% of my SP in tanks and 75% in infantry (equipment, callogi, MD). I would like to have the option to streamline one way or the other.
Truth is, most people who originally wanted to spec vehicles have put more SP into infantry because infantry is more profitable, but now we may want to try out vehicles again, and use them to their full effectiveness, just like someone else may want to put all their SP into one weapon and one suit.
Nobody gets punished by a respec, only some are rewarded more than others. Newbs will stay at a disadvtange to vets, but it'll be less so, which is something we all need to keep this game alive.
Iam pro-respec!
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CharCharOdell
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Posted - 2013.11.23 04:58:00 -
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Zero Harpuia wrote:ACE OF JOKERS wrote:Zero Harpuia wrote:
I never said Bob was afraid of Alex, that is you failing to see things from a Bob's point of view. You are having an X-Man moment: I am different and therefore better. You think that your poor SP choices are responsible for your combat failings. You think Bob is only good because he spent his SP wisely.
What is actually going on is that Alex is not getting punished for throwing his SP about, while Bob is not getting rewarded for being careful with his SP. Even if you tested some equipment, do you know how little the first level of any skill matters? You can train it off of two or three good matches. That is no excuse for being poor with SP. Bob is getting thrown to the wayside, and the DEVs are breaking their word to appease the Alex's.
GÖªOf course you wont admit Bob is Afraid of Alex. You are Bob. GÖªEven with his Poor SP decisions (which were NOT POOR AT THE TIME THEY WERE MADE, they got nerfed by Bob) Alex can still pound bob. GÖªI never Said Bob was good. I said Bob has an advantage over Alex. GÖªWho said Alex throwesd his SP about? Alex wanted to be a Nova Knife scout and an AV specialist. Both got Nerfed to the ground. This is not poor SP choices, not spending SP poorly, this is something inevitable that when it happns to BOB, ALex wont be there to support him. GÖªDevs are breaking their word because there are more Alex's than Bobs, and the Devs KNOW Alex's are rights.Bobs arent.Simple. Bolding everything you say is annoying. Fixed. I won't even bother with a point-by-point, most of your points are pure opinion and heavily biased. Bobs are not afraid of Alexs. Alexs feel persecuted and wish to turn that into a positive thing by thinking they are superior. You think you're better than a Bob. You are not. You are the same. Bob and Alex started the same, and had the same chances with the same points and same skills. Bob ended up doing better because he was careful. If Alex had simply been as careful, he would have been alot better off. Also, if your particular Alex decided to specialize into a SIDEARM and a NICHE PLAY-STYLE without putting points into the basics, he shot himself in the foot. He never thought about what he would do in a wide-open map, he never thought what he would do without expensive caskets to hunt. He. Never. Thought. Also, DEVs are not giving a full respec. Just a partial to vehicles because of major restructuring. Sensible and reasonable.
No, Bob ended up doing better because he did not spec nova knives, shotguns, heavy, av, flaylocks, etc. Bob put his points into logistics suits, mass drivers, and assault rifles while Alex specialized, as well, but allof his gear got nerfed which was out of his control. His entire playstyle is less effective than bob because of CCP's inability to balance their game.
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CharCharOdell
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Posted - 2013.11.23 19:07:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Im Bob
I planned for the vehicle tree, i worked it out how much SP it would take for me to spec it out, i planned ahead
Once i specced out my vehicle tree i started planning for the pilot suits, they never arrived but i managed to save up 8mil SP
No more vehicles were arriving and the vehicle patch was way off in the future, could have been a year maybe more so i spent my SP on a secondary role
Now CCP has changed the amount of SP needed to be a vehicle specialist by a factor of 3, the amount i have now will not cover what i need in 1.7
I need my SP out of infantry to be even close to what i can do now in 1.7
I planned ahead and finished the vehicle tree, now CCP has changed the SP amount so its more of a sink so i now need even more SP to spec out in the vehicle tree
I made my choices, i planned it out and finished the vehicle tree which made me competitve in PC, im happy with my SP in where they are, but between vehicles and infantry i want to go full vehicles and the amount of SP needed in 1.7 has gone up by a factor of 3
In 1.6 i had access to every mod and vehicle (not lolenforcers)
Now i need to put every SP i have into vehicles because they changed it all around and increased the amount needed
my point exactly. everyone gets a respec.
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CharCharOdell
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Posted - 2013.11.23 19:10:00 -
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Luna Angelo wrote:Zero Harpuia wrote:People keep using the same line to defend respecs, and it has begun to wear on my patience. That line is..
"What do people who don't want respecs have to lose?"
This is usually followed by some personal attacks, something about speccing out of FotM, something about fear of newbies, and general name-calling. So I'm here to clear up the confusion and shut down a few rather virulent badposters.
If we give a respec, Imagine we have Alex. Alex spent his SP willy-nilly, just playing and testing. He didn't have a plan in mind, so if he gets a respec he can start over, plan accordingly, and put points into his favored playstyle. It's all good... for Alex.
In case you didn't get the hint, Alex is players who want respecs.
Then after the respec, we have Bob. Bob spent his SP wisely, making each choice count. He has all his points placed in carefully thought arrangements, and doesn't regret a single level. When he puts his points in again, he puts them back in the exact same place. His game hasn't changed at all, and he is upset that the game rewarded Alex, who screwed up his SP, and snubbed him.
In case you didn't get the hint, Bob is everyone else.
The Alex's of the game refuse to see things from the point of view of the Bob's. Those of us who had a plan get nothing for it, and feel like all our work was for naught.
A simple solution would be to give some goodies out along with the respec, or make it a choice between goodies and respec. The former would probably be easier on CCP, but either would give the Bob's something instead of just telling them to sod off. OK, but there is also Charlie. Charlie has 10Mil SP's, all in Infantry. He wants to go into tanks after a respec. Why does he have to grind out those SP's, when David gets his SP's in vehicles back and can put them into infantry.
again, perfectly said.
this partial respec screws everyone. pilots want to take infantry and put it in pilot skills. other pilots want to take their new free sp and spec full infantry. some infantry want to spec vehicles.
then heavies want more than 2 fitting choices.
AR and SR guys now have 2 more options they wouldm hqve chosen otherwise
scouts r missing 2 suits
a respec benefits everyone and it shouldhappen. 'permanence' doesnt matter if not all choices are available.
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Posted - 2013.11.24 03:31:00 -
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all FOTM and anything about content and SP aside, a respec would keep newplayers and bring back old players.
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