People keep using the same line to defend respecs, and it has begun to wear on my patience. That line is..

"What do people who don't want respecs have to lose?"

This is usually followed by some personal attacks, something about speccing out of FotM, something about fear of newbies, and general name-calling. So I'm here to clear up the confusion and shut down a few rather virulent badposters.

If we give a respec, Imagine we have Alex. Alex spent his SP willy-nilly, just playing and testing. He didn't have a plan in mind, so if he gets a respec he can start over, plan accordingly, and put points into his favored playstyle. It's all good... for Alex.

In case you didn't get the hint, Alex is players who want respecs.

Then after the respec, we have Bob. Bob spent his SP wisely, making each choice count. He has all his points placed in carefully thought arrangements, and doesn't regret a single level. When he puts his points in again, he puts them back in the exact same place. His game hasn't changed at all, and he is upset that the game rewarded Alex, who screwed up his SP, and snubbed him.

In case you didn't get the hint, Bob is everyone else.

The Alex's of the game refuse to see things from the point of view of the Bob's. Those of us who had a plan get nothing for it, and feel like all our work was for naught.

A simple solution would be to give some goodies out along with the respec, or make it a choice between goodies and respec. The former would probably be easier on CCP, but either would give the Bob's something instead of just telling them to sod off.

Actually, the concern is that people will use SP respecs to chase the flavor of the month. If optional SP respecs came with a disincentive like losing 1/5 of your life time SP to discourage FotM chasers, "Bob"s wouldn't be so against respecs.

Vehicles are having their skill tree redone, so they deserve their refund of SP invested into the current vehicle skill tree.

You don't know Jack.

He planned, tested, and found a playstyle that fit him. He played it, and enjoyed it. Then CCP came in, and ruined an entire playstyle. Jack's playstyle. Now he wants a respec.

But I'm willing to bed all but 50 of those people will spec out of vehicles and into infantry.

What if infantry players see that vehicles are good and want to spec into vehicles?

it is only fair to give everyone a chance to switch around.

The whole 'chasing fotm' argument is stupid because in one month, everyone will already spec the current fotm anyway,so a respec only brings it closer, rather than stops it.

Veteran players also won't benefit as much as new players. Most vets have between 20 mil (low) to 40 mil (high) and with a respec, probably wouldn't change much. Maybe they'd streamline a bit, ya know, ignore a few types of equipment and maybe spec out of the flaylock and swarm launchers, but that'd be it. The vets knew where to spend their SP from the get-go and new players did not.
On the other hand, a newberry with 3 million SP all over the place would benefit a lot more from a RESPEC, as he would move around 100% of his SP to streamline and become effective, increasing his enjoyment of the game; a veteran might move around 20% of his SP.

Personally, I have 25% of my SP in tanks and 75% in infantry (equipment, callogi, MD). I would like to have the option to streamline one way or the other.

Truth is, most people who originally wanted to spec vehicles have put more SP into infantry because infantry is more profitable, but now we may want to try out vehicles again, and use them to their full effectiveness, just like someone else may want to put all their SP into one weapon and one suit.



Nobody gets punished by a respec, only some are rewarded more than others. Newbs will stay at a disadvtange to vets, but it'll be less so, which is something we all need to keep this game alive.

Iam pro-respec!

Your rebuttal is stupid and you should feel stupid.

I never said Bob was afraid of Alex, that is you failing to see things from a Bob's point of view. You are having an X-Man moment: I am different and therefore better. You think that your poor SP choices are responsible for your combat failings. You think Bob is only good because he spent his SP wisely.

What is actually going on is that Alex is not getting punished for throwing his SP about, while Bob is not getting rewarded for being careful with his SP. Even if you tested some equipment, do you know how little the first level of any skill matters? You can train it off of two or three good matches. That is no excuse for being poor with SP. Bob is getting thrown to the wayside, and the DEVs are breaking their word to appease the Alex's.

He. Never. Thought.

To me the arguments boil down to one thing, choice. Should DUST be the type of game where your choices matter? We have heard it from CCP in many different ways, even in videos (~1:00) that our choices matter.

Bob, knowing this, made his choices wisely. He does not want a respec because respecs do one thing above all else, invalidate all previous choices. Respecs make choice NOT matter.

I think Alex needs to HTFU.

the op is missing something.

the learning curve is a fundamental part of this game. without it, the game loses a lot of it's "real" nature.

it's only the concept that bob can start after alex, make better decisions, show better self-control and get those skills that count... and bob can be better than alex. even if alex is an old character who made stupid or ill-informed decisions.

in this way bob has a chance to catch up to, and even surpass alex. that is the power that players have in this game. it's a different kind of power. it's the power of forethought and preparation.

in the real world alex does not get a respec. and neither does bob.

eve is real.

the alex's of new eden didn't save the triple sp that ccp just gave them. the alex's of new eden don't have 3 million sp sitting waiting for new gear. the alex's of new eden don't plan ahead.

the bob's of new eden are sitting with 3 or 5 million sp in their pocket right now just waiting to be better than alex when they drop those new rifles. the bob's of new eden know that alex isn't get his respec, and he can therefore be beaten.

All of these are cases for partial respecs at best. To play Devil's Advocate though...
Deciding to stay in Militia is a stupid excuse, they will probably give Amarr Heavy a partial like they did with Vehicles, or split it like they did with Destroyers. Use what you have and move on. Waiting for the DEVs to add something isn't gamebreaking. If it was, you simply wouldn't be playing.
If your gun got nerfed, it was most likely for good reason.
Laser Rifles still have a niche as they have no kick. Perfect accuracy, perfect line of death.
The main reason they are respeccing the vehicle tree is because the tree is being torn up completely, so they can then put their SP into the new tree. Any player moving their points to the Infantry trees as a result deserves to start back at the bottom.

I use standard guns and an advanced suit in almost every situation. it takes about 2 weeks to get both of those things, which means you can get two sets of them in a month.

what you're missing is: you'll eventually have all these suits, and all of these guns because you're a first year character. why are you in such a hurry?

And I have Proficiency levels in Laser Rifles, what's your point?

Meh. It's a game like you said but isn't that the point? To get emotionally invested? I think so. It's more fun to get invested. When you take a game seriously, it's probably because its fun.

but it will always be that way. the game will change and balance 4 times a year drastically for the first few years. there will always be wasted skillpoints and there will always be wasted endeavors. there will be things introduced that destroy your current playstyle and require you to play differently.

it's the reason there's not a 'class' system or 'racial restrictions' system in new eden. if you were limited in any way as to what to skill next, then they would have to give you a respec to keep it interesting.

ccp always gives you a way to find a niche to kill old vets.

And no, there is no room for negotiation. No one needs to spec into more guns that fill the same niche than any suit in the game can fit at once.

Much of that is pointless conjecture...

Also, one thing I'd love to stress. You don't spec into tactical assalt rifles. You spec into Assault Rifles... and get TAR as a bonus. If you didn't spec into the weapon tree that is specifically denoted as the tactical rifles, then it is no-one's fault but your own.

Also, 1.6 made full autos more powerful. Technically, it didn't, it just made them as powerful as they were always programmed to be. If that was higher than they were supposed to be... only the DEVs can say.