Make the SP total of Dust's highest SP player the soft cap. Allow everyone under that total to grind until their heart is content. For the top SP player, increase his or her SP soft cap every week by the same amount as the current weekly cap. Do this and there's no need for a rollover. If the top person grinds through their soft cap and creates more distance between them and the rest of the field, they've actually done us all a favor by increasing the new soft cap that we can all grind to. The rookies are happy because they'll be able to become competitive quickly and the vets are happy because they can develop their characters horizontally. Remember, you hit a point of diminishing returns once you're around 15 mil SP. We need to focus on getting players to that point quickly while also letting vets enjoy further character development opportunities that don't really give them a significant edge over those under them.

I had totally forgotten about this idea! I said this when Uprising was released. +1

Hey all,

As someone in on the meeting with the CPM yesterday I can say that it was pretty great and went well!

Having spoken with a bunch of you, the SP Rollover seems to be something that's been thrown around the community quite a while before I joined. It's something we're definitely interested in exploring further and discussing internally, but I'd welcome any thoughts you all have as to what would be the best system to encourage both new and veteran players.

The CPM are going to be continually involved in discussions with us about this and would be a great place to start for getting your thoughts and suggestions heard.

Cheers :)

Make the SP total of Dust's highest SP player the soft cap. Allow everyone under that total to grind until their heart is content. For the top SP player, increase his or her SP soft cap every week by the same amount as the current weekly cap. Do this and there's no need for a rollover. If the top person grinds through their soft cap and creates more distance between them and the rest of the field, they've actually done us all a favor by increasing the new soft cap that we can all grind to. The rookies are happy because they'll be able to become competitive quickly and the vets are happy because they can develop their characters horizontally. Remember, you hit a point of diminishing returns once you're around 15 mil SP. We need to focus on getting players to that point quickly while also letting vets enjoy further character development opportunities that don't really give them a significant edge over those under them.

I say switch to fully passive skilling like the Eve system and no-one will have to worry about the cap ever again. Then the only excuse for not having steady progression is in letting the skill queue run dry.

Implementing that now would be very, very interesting as it would mean an SP reset of all players.
The problems would be player retention, incentive for jaded players to play and refunding AUR players have spent on boosters.

That said, I actually wouldn't mind if this did happen as long as
1. everyone started with ~2mil SP. It would definitely increase the importance of early skill decisions
2. SP generated at 1 every 1.5 per seconds without boosters (it would mean just over 400k SP per week - close to the same as if capping with the current system)

SP rollover.

It does have the problem of boosters being used to do things like super back to back grind sessions to cut down on the value of booster needed, but that tends to happen anyway.

You could have SP trickle into the active pool much like passive SP over time, without a limit on it - when a booster is plugged in, keep the trickle the same but have an additional 'bonus' pool, for example.


Also, no cap for newbies until they have a solid chunk of SP. I would also suggest an accelerated rate of SP gain for newbies.

So I finished reading everything and I have some concerns about some of the proposals:

Cap is based on highest playerGÇÖs cap.

The problem with is is we essentially have 2 groups: (a)those who are pushing the cap forward every week and (b)everyone else. The first group represents the most hardcore players (who are most likely to be buying boosters). Only one player from this group needs to run boosters to move the soft cap forward each week, the rest can simply grind (at a slightly slower pace) un-boosted to catch up with the leader each week. So CCP would be killing their revenue from a huge chunk of the players most likely to be paying them. The second group essentially has no cap at all (practically speaking) so they have no penalty for not logging in. I know I personally would take a lot more breaks if I knew I could catch up later and not be missing out on SP. I would probably have half the SP I currently have now under such a system, whereas the current system incentivizes regular play. I donGÇÖt think IGÇÖm alone, and there are probably many people who wouldnGÇÖt bother to log in if they know theyGÇÖre not loosing out on potential SP, like they currently are.

There are other suggestions that want to accelerate the rate of SP gain under various circumstances.

I have 2 problems with this. The first is that it de-values the effort already put in by players with a lot of SP. They had to spend hundreds of hours to get where they are, and itGÇÖs kind of a slap in the face if the same could be achieved in a small fraction of the time. Another issue with this is that the system actually incentivizes NOT playing. Why would I want to grind now at some slow rate, when I could simply wait and be more GÇ£productiveGÇ¥ later (with each in-game minute generating much more SP for me)? Furthermore, if people cap quicker with a system thatGÇÖs accelerating their gameplay, then theyGÇÖre playing fewer matches every week which means that number of concurrent users will plummet. If that number gets too low (I donGÇÖt know what the threshold is), the matchmaker will really start to struggle, which will cause more people to leave and we will have a downward spiral clusterf*ck that would kill the game.

But as it stands, a newer player can never catch an established player. This would mean they could. Nothing more.

But as it stands, a newer player can never catch an established player. This would mean they could. Nothing more.

But as it stands, a newer player can never catch an established player. This would mean they could. Nothing more.

this is NOT a problem

A few options that haven't been mentioned.


I'd like to mention that I have personally never reached cap, and before I can make an informed decision about what is actually best for the playerbase, I'd need to see statistics on how many people actually REACH cap in a week.


More important than fixing the cap though, is removing worthless skills, and empty levels.

I am a new player, and I reached the cap in one day. I played 16 hours straight, and was frustrated that I could not continue. All my equipment is still sup-par, and I can hardly compete with anyone. It is discouraging.

A roll-over system sounds unhelpful to me.

I don't know why there is a cap. It's certainly too tight, though.

The cap is there because the game is about an investment of time and effort and how it will affect the Eve/Dust universe, not the CoD unlock everything in a week KDR ***** ideology.