My favourite option which is unlikely to ever happen is to remove active SP entirely.

Put all SP accumulation into passive.

That'd make a rollover unnecessary, remove AFK farming and make battles about Isk and winning rather than warpoints and SP.

This is probably too big a change alas.

Doesn't work in a F2P game, sadly.

In fact, I would say that a greedier company than CCP would already have decimated passive SP, but increased the benefit of passive boosters, to ensure that everyone who wants to get ahead "pays a sub".

Solution: give ME the SP without having to play for it. I'm just going to AFK farm anyway and hit the cap, so just give it to me and save me all the trouble. Should only apply to only my characters.

Whenever you go to the whiteboard and come back with a complicated scheme from one of the most hated industries in the world, you need to re-think your strategy.

The best solution to the SP cap is to remove it entirely.

You earn what you earn, and that's it. Simple.

As far as a catch-up mechanic... the game already has them built in: Boosters. Give new players 1 month's worth of active and passive boosters. That's enough training to get into a decent ADV suit. It can also lead to increased revenue after they use their last free booster and see the decline in SP gain.

tbh I much rather have the SP like it is in EVE, eg remove the active and put it on passive, and just make it a requirement that you need to log in every week or something for it to keep accumulating. Or just let us train towards skills like eve rather than an sp pool. That would make us need to do active decisions rather than farming sp.

The grind for active SP at least for me takes away the fun, I feel I lag behind in terms of SP when I cannot play and I progress slow towards my goals, if I knew that I would get the SP just as fast if I couldn't play for a week or two that would still make me feel happy.

Or some other requirement, but I just don't enjoy the grind for SP.

/c

Hey all,

As someone in on the meeting with the CPM yesterday I can say that it was pretty great and went well!

Having spoken with a bunch of you, the SP Rollover seems to be something that's been thrown around the community quite a while before I joined. It's something we're definitely interested in exploring further and discussing internally, but I'd welcome any thoughts you all have as to what would be the best system to encourage both new and veteran players.

The CPM are going to be continually involved in discussions with us about this and would be a great place to start for getting your thoughts and suggestions heard.

Cheers :)

1) Remove the pressure to grind the points or lose them
2) Remove the disincentive to continue playing
3) Allow new players to quickly attain competativeness
4) Pace SP accrual to prevent some players from gaining every skill available
5) Encourage paid SP boosting as a revenue stream

1. Players who think, I can never catch up to the vets in SP, so why bother? This is similar to how a lot of people mistakenly believe this in EVE. However, the difference between both games is that player skill and knowledge does not give you as much of an advantage in a first person shooter.

2. Players just signing up, creating an alt and leaving it to accrue SP over a long period, finally coming back to the game and having the same amounts of SP as someone who started at the same time. As it is, the game already suffers from a low player count, this would, IMO, compound the problem.

Personally, I'm a strong supporter of the rollover system, but if given the choice I would much prefer no cap at all.

While this may encourage some heavy farming by some, for the most part we shouldn't need to fear exploiting too much with the new system CCP Greyscale has tossed out that limits WP/time, which was the largest concern with having no cap.

I feel that any cap (However large it may be) sends the message "After X point you should stop playing our game and do something else." which I feel is a pretty silly message to send to your loyal customers. As a gamer, I have absolutely hated the "You cannot pass GO until Z timer expires" prevalent in many F2P games. Further, limited progression implies that progression itself is the entire goal of the game (Which until we get some actual content, it kind of is) and I think that is incredibly wrong. SP shouldn't be the primary focus of the game. SP and progression should be something secondary that happens naturally as someone is enjoying the other content, in my opinion.

While we enjoy a (sort of) soft cap rather than an abrupt stop to progression, that is almost worse in my opinion. With the soft cap players are still rewarded for grinding, but trying to eke out progression one match at a time can be nothing short of painful after one hits their cap.


Even if players do not approve of removing the cap entirely, I think it is very important that however this system is revamped, a day 1 player should be able to catch up to someone who has been playing for months, if that new player wants to grind like a madman while the "vet" is only playing an hour or so a day.