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Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 450	Posted - 2013.11.13 00:42:00 - [1] - Quote YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED This is all I see all match almost every match and it is slowly driving me insane! Does profile dampening do anything to counter this for a medium frame suit or is this the great scout advantage? I'm not asking for a nerf I'm sick of nerfs, but I'm also getting more than a little fed up of the active scanner. Anyway I just needed to rant sort of, its cathartic.
Zero Notion Wraith Company 315	Posted - 2013.11.13 00:43:00 - [2] - Quote It can help but you probably will need to utilize the modules, too. I find that counter-scanning to be a better option, at least you will know they're heading your way.
DJINN Marauder Ancient Exiles. 2874	Posted - 2013.11.13 00:44:00 - [3] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED This is all I see all match almost every match and it is slowly driving me insane! Does profile dampening do anything to counter this for a medium frame suit or is this the great scout advantage? I'm not asking for a nerf I'm sick of nerfs, but I'm also getting more than a little fed up of the active scanner. Anyway I just needed to rant sort of, its cathartic. Ehh... Even for a scout, running profile dampeners ruins my fit. For mediums you gotta run 2 enchanted I think to get below proto scanner. Honestly it's not worth it. My best advice is run your own scanner. Fight fire with fire. Scanners are OP as hell. They do deserve some kind of change to them GôÉGô¥GôÿGô£Gôö > GôÉGô¢Gô¢ Gÿà¿When will dust get better?Gÿà Forum Warrior LV. 2
LUGMOS YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE 91	Posted - 2013.11.13 00:45:00 - [4] - Quote Lol "great scout advantage." Solution: skill into scout. ;) The biggest threat to my scout is everything. My scout is the biggest threat to everything.
Ghost Kaisar R 0 N 1 N 821	Posted - 2013.11.13 00:47:00 - [5] - Quote Meh. Running scout just removes some of the direct inconveniences. You still get the super annoying "SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED" popping up on the screen, and they still know that you are in the cone of scan, just not where. It's probably the only thing that makes scouts halfway decent. "All war is deception." "He who knows when he can fight and when he cannot, will be victorious" -Sun Tzu
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 7536	Posted - 2013.11.13 00:49:00 - [6] - Quote Scanners really need to be toned back >_< Fan Fiction \ Broke Dropship Pilot /
MassiveNine 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 475	Posted - 2013.11.13 00:51:00 - [7] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Scanners really need to be toned back >_< Like a LOT. Pretty ridiculous I'd say to have a tool that can tell you where anyone is at any given time halfway across the map. Official DUST514 LAV Mechanic
Zero Notion Wraith Company 315	Posted - 2013.11.13 00:51:00 - [8] - Quote Quote: For mediums you gotta run 2 enchanted I think to get below proto scanner. Honestly it's not worth it. Hey, this guy is cheating! He's enchanting his gear! OP. Nerf enchants.
Zero Notion Wraith Company 315	Posted - 2013.11.13 00:53:00 - [9] - Quote MassiveNine wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Scanners really need to be toned back >_< Like a LOT. Pretty ridiculous I'd say to have a tool that can tell you where anyone is at any given time halfway across the map. They need to work off your own dropsuits precision and scan range, with a small buff to both from the scanner itself. It's an item that only serves to make the scout suit less useful in the utility department but with those changes, it would at least give them something in return for being so squishy.
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 857	Posted - 2013.11.13 00:54:00 - [10] - Quote fit to be under their scan. that is all.

knight of 6 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 585	Posted - 2013.11.13 00:54:00 - [11] - Quote SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED even when you win you lose cause they still know someone is there. it's especially dangerous when you're solo. "God favors the side with the best artillery" ~ Napoleon Ko6, scout, tanker. CLOSED BETA VET
DJINN Marauder Ancient Exiles. 2875	Posted - 2013.11.13 00:56:00 - [12] - Quote Zero Notion wrote: Quote: For mediums you gotta run 2 enchanted I think to get below proto scanner. Honestly it's not worth it. Hey, this guy is cheating! He's enchanting his gear! OP. Nerf enchants. Makes me wanna go back and play skyrim GôÉGô¥GôÿGô£Gôö > GôÉGô¢Gô¢ Gÿà¿When will dust get better?Gÿà Forum Warrior LV. 2
Heimdallr69 Imperfect Bastards 1262	Posted - 2013.11.13 01:00:00 - [13] - Quote You can shoot with your flasight out that gives away enemies at the same time I'm everyone's type
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 451	Posted - 2013.11.13 01:08:00 - [14] - Quote Zero Notion wrote: MassiveNine wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Scanners really need to be toned back >_< Like a LOT. Pretty ridiculous I'd say to have a tool that can tell you where anyone is at any given time halfway across the map. They need to work off your own dropsuits precision and scan range, with a small buff to both from the scanner itself. It's an item that only serves to make the scout suit less useful in the utility department but with those changes, it would at least give them something in return for being so squishy. As someone who plays exclusively logi and asault at the moment I fully support this idea it would make scouts useful for....... scouting And if a logi puts SP into scan precision and range they can do an OK job with the scanner but not as good as a scout who is trained up in those skills plus already has a bonus to those things. Heck, you can make this a bonus on one of the scout racial variants that we have yet to see even coughAmarrcough
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 10182	Posted - 2013.11.13 01:12:00 - [15] - Quote "You know I am here so come and get me!" CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier Specialist Current Theme \\= Advanced Scrambler Rifle =// Unlocked
Meeko Fent Xer Cloud Consortium 1503	Posted - 2013.11.13 01:15:00 - [16] - Quote Nerf Scanners. It's the only way scouts can have stealth. For the State! For Caldari FW join Caldari Hierarchy
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 7536	Posted - 2013.11.13 01:15:00 - [17] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: "You know I am here so come and get me!" Yea, there's someone in a 150 meter radius somewhere. That's helpful Fan Fiction \ Broke Dropship Pilot /
Koan Zalinto Bobbit's Hangmen 25	Posted - 2013.11.13 01:18:00 - [18] - Quote All I see lately is scan attempt prevented ^^ It makes me smile to see that my sp is doing something. Next stop is 5 biotics then range amplification! -delighted face-
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic Top Men. 273	Posted - 2013.11.13 01:22:00 - [19] - Quote DJINN Marauder wrote: Ehh... Even for a scout, running profile dampeners ruins my fit. For mediums you gotta run 2 enhanced** I think to get below proto scanner. Honestly it's not worth it. My best advice is run your own scanner. Fight fire with fire. Scanners are OP as hell. They do deserve some kind of change to them Only need 1 enhanced and level 5 dampening to get below advanced scanners, the scanners most people run. 2 basic and level 1 dampening will also get you below advanced scanners. I know it may not help much. Scanners are pretty F'ed up right now. Just spin and you completely reveal everyone. Someone escapes the scanner and you get margin of error, so it's easy to know exactly what direction they are coming from.
lrian Locust DUST University Ivy League 292	Posted - 2013.11.13 01:26:00 - [20] - Quote LUGMOS wrote: Lol "great scout advantage." Solution: skill into scout. ;) As a scout, you still need to skill into Profile Dampening IV before you'll go underneath most (not all!) of the scans. And they'll still know someone's there. Considering the loss of eHP, slots and the SP investment, it's really not worth it.

Mieli Sydan Ultramarine Corp 22	Posted - 2013.11.13 01:29:00 - [21] - Quote A medium suit has a base scan profile of 50dB. There are only 3 skill/module combinations that matter to medium suit users using only 1 (or no) low power slot: Maxed out dampening skill, no dampening modules (10% profile dampening) 50 * .9 = 45 dB, avoids STD scanners, but not llight/scout passive scans No dampening skills, mlitia profile dampener (15% profile dampening) 50 * 0.85 = 42.5 dB, avoids STD scanners, as well as light/scout suit passive scans, unless they have at least 6% scan precision enhancement Maxed out dampening skill, 1x Complex dampening module (32.5% profile dampening) 50 * .9 * .75 = 33.75 dB, avoids ADV scanners, as well as all light/scout passive scans (without using precision enhancement modules) The key thing to note is that for medium suits, ranks in profile dampening aren't all that useful until you've got all 5 of them. No combination of profile dampening skill below 5 and a single dampener (including the AUR complex dampener) will put you below the threshold for ADV scanners. All ranks of profile dampening below 5 with no dampening modules are still detectable by STD scanners. I'm not sure what the math for stacking multiple dampeners is, but at that point, I don't think the profile dampening is worth the extra slot. (Gò»°Gûí°)Gò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+
Mieli Sydan Ultramarine Corp 22	Posted - 2013.11.13 01:32:00 - [22] - Quote Galvan Nized wrote: Only need 1 enhanced and level 5 dampening to get below advanced scanners, the scanners most people run. 2 basic and level 1 dampening will also get you below advanced scanners. I know it may not help much. Scanners are pretty F'ed up right now. Just spin and you completely reveal everyone. Someone escapes the scanner and you get margin of error, so it's easy to know exactly what direction they are coming from. This is incorrect. Level 5 dampening will put your medium suit at 45 dB precision. An enhanced dampener will drop your profile to 36dB, which is exactly the precision of an ADV scanner, which means the scanner will see you: 50 * .9 * .8 = 36 dB You need Profile Dampening V and a complex dampener module to defeat ADV scanners. (Gò»°Gûí°)Gò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+
Krom Ganesh Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 649	Posted - 2013.11.13 01:52:00 - [23] - Quote The biggest problem with active scanners is that they allow the user to scan way too often. Think of any other multiplayer FPS that lets you detect enemies through walls and share their location with teammates. Do they let you spam this ability? I at least haven't seen one. This is because knowing the enemy's location too often severely devalues tactics other than full frontal assault. For example, want to try flanking the enemy while they are distracted? You just divided your forces and the smaller of the two is easily over run by the one large enemy force since they can see your every move. The only solution to people spamming scanners is to greatly increase their cooldown time. As in 7 or 8 times the duration enemies are spotted. Why so high? Because scanners should be something to get an idea of where the enemy is located for a short duration. By increasing the cooldown to 7 or 8 times the duration enemies are spotted, a dedicated scanner logi can stack multiple scanners to give a fairly good idea of where the enemy is at during the entire engagement but still cannot provide a constant feed of enemy locations. There could still be a short range (~45m) wide angle scanner that has a low cooldown timer to act as a proximity scan though. They also need to prevent spinning or sweeping while scanning being able to scan at greater angles than the scanner's listed angle. !
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR DROID EXILES 541	Posted - 2013.11.13 02:26:00 - [24] - Quote Krom Ganesh wrote: The biggest problem with active scanners is that they allow the user to scan way too often. Think of any other multiplayer FPS that lets you detect enemies through walls and share their location with teammates. Do they let you spam this ability? I at least haven't seen one. This is because knowing the enemy's location too often severely devalues tactics other than full frontal assault. For example, want to try flanking the enemy while they are distracted? You just divided your forces and the smaller of the two is easily over run by the one large enemy force since they can see your every move. The only solution to people spamming scanners is to greatly increase their cooldown time. As in 7 or 8 times the duration enemies are spotted. Why so high? Because scanners should be something to get an idea of where the enemy is located for a short duration. By increasing the cooldown to 7 or 8 times the duration enemies are spotted, a dedicated scanner logi can stack multiple scanners to give a fairly good idea of where the enemy is at during the entire engagement but still cannot provide a constant feed of enemy locations. There could still be a short range (~45m) wide angle scanner that has a low cooldown timer to act as a proximity scan though. They also need to prevent spinning or sweeping while scanning being able to scan at greater angles than the scanner's listed angle. this isn't a bad idea. then at least scouts will be able to do something without being shot at before they even turn the corner. a¦á_a¦á So you use the AR huh?
Godin Thekiller Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 1512	Posted - 2013.11.13 02:28:00 - [25] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED This is all I see all match almost every match and it is slowly driving me insane! Does profile dampening do anything to counter this for a medium frame suit or is this the great scout advantage? I'm not asking for a nerf I'm sick of nerfs, but I'm also getting more than a little fed up of the active scanner. Anyway I just needed to rant sort of, its cathartic. You can just as easily scan tank a medium suit apparently........... 'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever!
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 815	Posted - 2013.11.13 02:29:00 - [26] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED This is all I see all match almost every match and it is slowly driving me insane! Does profile dampening do anything to counter this for a medium frame suit or is this the great scout advantage? I'm not asking for a nerf I'm sick of nerfs, but I'm also getting more than a little fed up of the active scanner. Anyway I just needed to rant sort of, its cathartic. You'll want to check out this scan fix thread: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1479849#post1479849
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 1286	Posted - 2013.11.13 03:02:00 - [27] - Quote It always makes me wanna give a terrified, "Oh **, I've been scanned! What the do I do? We're all gonna ***** die! Run, MFs, RUN!" over the comms. But, the wife and kids are usually sleeping so I just snort and giggle thinking about it. (It's really funny when you're ripped.) Cheeseburgers.
Krom Ganesh Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 650	Posted - 2013.11.13 03:04:00 - [28] - Quote TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: this isn't a bad idea. then at least scouts will be able to do something without being shot at before they even turn the corner. Actually, us scouts at least have the ability to easily avoid nearly all scanners and thus are the least affected by the scanner (the margin of error is still BS...). We may be useless until we get that ability, but at least its there. Dampening isn't really much of an option for mediums and heavies though (or at least not an effective option). This leaves them with only one option, rushing the enemy directly. Constant scanning is just a bad mechanic no matter what suit you are in. !
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 894	Posted - 2013.11.13 03:11:00 - [29] - Quote Yes, it helps on all suits (some more than others) And the effectiveness is increased based on it's tiers with Basic being the least and Complex being them most efficient. But if your not a scout or a shotty or you are on the frontlines alot, you should just stick to shield extenders, damage modifiers and armor plates. Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
Robocop Junior The Surrogates Of War 346	Posted - 2013.11.13 03:57:00 - [30] - Quote I just got scanned and I'm sitting in my merc quarters.

XxWarlordxX97 Ancient Exiles. 5433	Posted - 2013.11.13 03:59:00 - [31] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED This is all I see all match almost every match and it is slowly driving me insane! Does profile dampening do anything to counter this for a medium frame suit or is this the great scout advantage? I'm not asking for a nerf I'm sick of nerfs, but I'm also getting more than a little fed up of the active scanner. Anyway I just needed to rant sort of, its cathartic. Then being a heavy really suck Level 5 forum warrior Minmatar rule Warrior of bacon and defender of the bacon
8213 The Neutral Zone 683	Posted - 2013.11.13 04:09:00 - [32] - Quote The most advanced Prototype scanners can scan through EVERY dampening system you can put on a fit. So its not even balanced. I ran Dampeners a lot, but even Proto Scanners will break though 2 Enhanced Dampeners on my Scout Of course, CCP wasn't thinking when they put it in the game. It only adds to the Protostomp. Like DJNN said, best defense is to just scan them back. Honestly, it should have enver been put in the game in the first place, but it shows just how STUPID CCP are as a whole.
Robocop Junior The Surrogates Of War 348	Posted - 2013.11.13 04:48:00 - [33] - Quote It's also the cheapest CPU and PG wise of all the equipment.
Gunmouse 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 137	Posted - 2013.11.13 04:49:00 - [34] - Quote Zero Notion wrote: It can help but you probably will need to utilize the modules, too. I find that counter-scanning to be a better option, at least you will know they're heading your way. I found being a Gal scout is a better counter.
ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 425	Posted - 2013.11.13 04:51:00 - [35] - Quote Best solution? Stick a bunch of equipment in and around your formation of your entire team. Seriously, in every other game i'll use the scanner and it's just a big orange mass.
SponkSponkSponk The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 511	Posted - 2013.11.13 04:52:00 - [36] - Quote 8213 wrote: The most advanced Prototype scanners can scan through EVERY dampening system you can put on a fit. So its not even balanced. I ran Dampeners a lot, but even Proto Scanners will break though 2 Enhanced Dampeners on my Scout Prototype damps are pretty cheap. Two of them on a medium frame makes it immune from scanning, barring the Duvolle Focused scanner. "Pulvis et umbra sumus. (We are but dust and shadow.)" GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace
CHAOZZ X Redline Defense Force 0	Posted - 2013.11.13 06:35:00 - [37] - Quote Nothing is funnier than getting a knife kill with a heavy whilst your screen reads YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED.
Vulpes Dolosus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 190	Posted - 2013.11.13 06:49:00 - [38] - Quote Active Scanner Fixes: -First of all, make it a directional scan like it's meant to be. No more of this "spin to win." This, I think, is the most crucial, but I'll continue. -Change the chevron results to be static icons that "refresh" over the enemy's head every second/half-second or so. No more of this wall hax stuff. -Buff countermeasures. I shouldn't have to sacrifice ALL of my tank and hundreds of SP just to counter one advanced scanner. I think the first two changes will be fine, but perhaps rebalancing could be looked at too. Dropship Specialist: AKA Clinically Insane
SgtDoughnut Red Star Jr. EoN. 370	Posted - 2013.11.13 06:58:00 - [39] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: "You know I am here so come and get me!" Yea, there's someone in a 150 meter radius somewhere. That's helpful You can do it just like dscan in eve, start with a 360 sweep and then slowly narrow down the cone, eventually you will find them.
Kosakai ZionTCD Public Disorder. 4	Posted - 2013.11.13 07:32:00 - [40] - Quote lol thats what scan do.... scanning enemies... u are assault not scout... your suit is for warfare not hiding in corners....

Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic Top Men. 275	Posted - 2013.11.13 07:48:00 - [41] - Quote Mieli Sydan wrote: This is incorrect. Level 5 dampening will put your medium suit at 45 dB precision. An enhanced dampener will drop your profile to 36dB, which is exactly the precision of an ADV scanner, which means the scanner will see you: 50 * .9 * .8 = 36 dB You need Profile Dampening V and a complex dampener module to defeat ADV scanners. You're right, for some reason I keep thinking they scale 15,22,30 but they don't. So yes Lvl 5 dampening and 1 complex. Also it takes 2 basics and lvl 2 dampening to get below 36.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1222	Posted - 2013.11.13 07:48:00 - [42] - Quote Maybe CCP is training us to become cats and dogs. ball 30m ahead BALL BALL BALL BALL BALL BALL BALL BALL BALL BALL BALL BALL BALL BALL BALL BALL BALL BALL BALL BALL BALL BALL BALL BALL BALL BALL BALL BALL BALL BALL BALL BALL BALL BALL BALL BALL BALL BALL BALL BALL BALL BALL BALL BALL BALL BALL BALL BALL BALL BALL BALL BALL BALL BALL BALL BALL BALL BALL BALL BALL BALL BALL BALL Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Papa Chanoli WarRavens League of Infamy 83	Posted - 2013.11.13 08:06:00 - [43] - Quote You have got to be kidding. A whine thread about scanners? Two patches ago everybody could see everybody and we fought and had fun. Now people have to give up a slot to see what's gong on around us. I've been running scanner since the day 1.4 came out. They're a pain in the a$$. They get you killed when you can't grab your weapon fast enough, they only last a few seconds, and they don't offer us near the visibility we had before 1.4. The only reason I run one is so that my squad can excel, and even that is a double edged sword because the second my peeps see the scanned enemy they rush forward and get the kill while I'm still spinning in circles. It's a balancsd item with a significant downside. Stop your bloody whining. I hope CCP has the sense to ignore this juvenile gibberish.
Acturus Galaxy Happy Pumpkin 169	Posted - 2013.11.13 08:37:00 - [44] - Quote lrian Locust wrote: LUGMOS wrote: Lol "great scout advantage." Solution: skill into scout. ;) As a scout, you still need to skill into Profile Dampening IV before you'll go underneath most (not all!) of the scans. And they'll still know someone's there. Considering the loss of eHP, slots and the SP investment, it's really not worth it. I have started to run scout and say it is definitely worth it. I have made some observations running scout with long range passive scanning and an advanced scanner equipped. 1. If I get the message scan prevented, I can see on my tachnet that the red dot running the active scanners starts to twirl, fun to know that he is paranoid knowing a sneaky scout is close by but not where I am hiding. Working as intended and SP spend on dampening and scout is worth it. 2. When I scan the red dots and they are informed of my scanning's I see them very often stop chasing me and begin to cluster together afraid that a competent squad is close by with intel of their locations. Gives me time to escape in my skinny scout suit running in a direction where I see no red dots on the tachnet. The above have been observed by either visual sight or by having them visible on tachnet from passive scans before and after active scanner was activated. I do not know why you continuously say dampening is not worth it, the scanning messages are very useful when in a scout suit. I also have a logi with a scanner. I hate the you have been scanned messages when in my slow logi suit as I can not do anything about it and know a scout will soon jump on my back and shoot me in the head with a shotgun. Now I am the scout doing the hunting. Getting under the advanced scanner is enough for most pub matches, I know I need to stay far away if I get scanned by a proto scanner. That is most+ likely used by a proto squad, no match for my scout.
Acturus Galaxy Happy Pumpkin 170	Posted - 2013.11.13 08:48:00 - [45] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: Active Scanner Fixes: -First of all, make it a directional scan like it's meant to be. No more of this "spin to win." This, I think, is the most crucial, but I'll continue. -Change the chevron results to be static icons that "refresh" over the enemy's head every second/half-second or so. No more of this wall hax stuff. -Buff countermeasures. I shouldn't have to sacrifice ALL of my tank and hundreds of SP just to counter one advanced scanner. I think the first two changes will be fine, but perhaps rebalancing could be looked at too. But this is a good thing, do not buff countermeasures, now there is actually several modules to choose from on the low slots besides stacking armor and repair. Now you have to choose between tank or avoiding being scanned. As a newly born scout I very much prefer you keep your armor stacked as I do not have to add precision modules to my suit to scan you :) I do agree with the spin to win issue, this need to be addressed. Change so that if you keep it still while scanning the chevrons are dynamic. Spin and the chevrons will just blink once and disappear again. Keeping the scanner steady will give it time to lock on the signatures of each dropsuit or it will only briefly show the location.
Chibi Andy Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 642	Posted - 2013.11.13 09:52:00 - [46] - Quote as a heavy and seeing the "you have been scanned" message so many times in one fight i feel so violated and at the same time i feel like my enemies wants to kill me by giving me cancer by scanning me so many times We abandoned the cause, our immortality is for hire!!! ßòÖ(GçÇGÇ+Gå+GÇ¦)ßòù
Laurent Cazaderon What The French 2116	Posted - 2013.11.13 10:05:00 - [47] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED This is all I see all match almost every match and it is slowly driving me insane! Does profile dampening do anything to counter this for a medium frame suit or is this the great scout advantage? I'm not asking for a nerf I'm sick of nerfs, but I'm also getting more than a little fed up of the active scanner. Anyway I just needed to rant sort of, its cathartic. This is an issue. Couldnt agree more. Having been on both side of the scan, scanners are : 1) way too efficient over range 2) very difficult to dodge even with 2 dampeners on a medium suit or 1 on a scout suit. 3) way too quick to cool off so you can just spam it over and over again. 4) Not that difficult to fit so you end up with 7-8 scanners in the same team. Let's just say it is way more easy to scan than to avoid being scanned. Which poses a big issue in my opinion. But hey i tend to hate detection tools in any FPS. This Char i only use on the forum. To contact me : "Cazaderon" in game and on Skype. Et vive la France !
castba Penguin's March 196	Posted - 2013.11.13 10:13:00 - [48] - Quote Zero Notion wrote: Quote: For mediums you gotta run 2 enchanted I think to get below proto scanner. Honestly it's not worth it. Hey, this guy is cheating! He's enchanting his gear! OP. Nerf enchants. This did humour me very much. +1 to you good Sir
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 801	Posted - 2013.11.13 10:17:00 - [49] - Quote I made a thread about this several weeks ago and all I got was some scrubs saying "l2p" now karma strikes back...
Laurent Cazaderon What The French 2117	Posted - 2013.11.13 10:25:00 - [50] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: I made a thread about this several weeks ago and made suggestions how to fix it but all I got was some scrubs saying "l2p" scanners are dumbing-down the game and now karma strikes back... it is not only that you get scanned, but the guy with the scanner sits somewhere behind walls unreachable doing 360 degree scans nonstop and there is not viable counter to that. all you can do is fit 2 atleast adv level damp mods reducing your EHP significantly and then die against all the bricktank fits once you try to get an objective. Couldnt agree more. Can you dig and link your old thread ? This Char i only use on the forum. To contact me : "Cazaderon" in game and on Skype. Et vive la France !

Izlare Lenix FREE AGENTS LP 1	Posted - 2013.11.13 11:19:00 - [51] - Quote I'm not sure if scanning its ok or too strong, I'm in the fence with that one. But I do think CCP needs to add a covert ops scout suit with a cloak that renders it immune to all scanners all the time. Make the cloak hard to fit and the suit squishy so it's really only good at scouting and ninja hacking. I wouldn't want more ghost shotgunners and nova knivers.
Ander Thedas Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 17	Posted - 2013.11.13 11:28:00 - [52] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: Nerf Scanners. It's the only way scouts can have stealth. Actually, scanner are what GIVE scouts stealth. When someone's running scanners in your squad you get REALLY used to the information. You get used to seeing the enemy chevrons and utilizing the minimap for your information. It's SO useful that when someone evades scans it's a COMPLETE AND UTTER SHOCK. By having scans be so useful for picking up everyone else you forget about what you can't see, therefore making you look around less and rely more on the information provided and ultimately making a sneaky scout so much more sneakier. The way I see it scans are perfect the way they are.
Yagihige Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 395	Posted - 2013.11.13 11:34:00 - [53] - Quote The only thing about scanners i would change is the recharge time. Make it longer so it can't be spammed as fast as it is now. em ta kool t'nod
Justicar Karnellia Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 125	Posted - 2013.11.13 11:57:00 - [54] - Quote I agree. They should just do one of the following: a) Leave "YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED" up permanently on your screen - I ignore it anyway and just play with the assumption I have been scanned because it pops up virtually all the time in battle. b) remove the notification entirely - even if you've been scanned. It doesn't help me (I just assume people can see where I am), and the person doing the scanning has his own notification icon, so it doesn't help him either.
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 801	Posted - 2013.11.13 11:58:00 - [55] - Quote Laurent Cazaderon wrote: Jack McReady wrote: I made a thread about this several weeks ago and made suggestions how to fix it but all I got was some scrubs saying "l2p" scanners are dumbing-down the game and now karma strikes back... it is not only that you get scanned, but the guy with the scanner sits somewhere behind walls unreachable doing 360 degree scans nonstop and there is not viable counter to that. all you can do is fit 2 atleast adv level damp mods reducing your EHP significantly and then die against all the bricktank fits once you try to get an objective. Couldnt agree more. Can you dig and link your old thread ? sure, as I said it is infested with scrubs defneding their crutch thus I let the thread die => https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=116805 I can only repeat what I said back then, scanners put the gameplay a step back because they nullifty certain tactics with no viable counter and beside that the mechanic of scanners is too binary and binary mechanics were never a good thing in games. currently you decide between making your fit useless in exchange of making the scanner useless or you just accept that you are perma scanned the whole game. to simply fix it, the scan strength of the scanner should depend on distance of the scanned object, similar to weapons falloff mechanic the scanner would have an optimal range and falloff range. In this case dampening would simply reduce the range at where the scanner can effectively detect you. suit type, obstacles, skills & modules should add dampening to you reducing the scanners range but not completely making it useless. by such simple change the scanner mechanic is suddenly not binary, you can make compromises in fittings if you want to without making the fit almost useless and position on the map is even more important.
Krom Ganesh Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 654	Posted - 2013.11.13 13:13:00 - [56] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: -snip- While that is an interesting mechanic, its not good enough. Non-dampened suits would still end up being constantly detected at normal combat ranges. If fall off was great enough that wasn't the case, people would switch to the long range scanner and continue as normal. It is also unreasonable to say then they should add dampeners because not every suit is supposed to be a stealth suit. You should have the option to make a stealth suit, but it shouldn't be required for gameplay tactics more advanced than full frontal assault. The true problem with the scanner isn't the strength of the scan but the frequency of the scan (spinning/sweeping and margin of error aren't good either). This can only be remedied by greatly increasing the scanner's cooldown. !
IVIaster LUKE Shadow Company HQ 82	Posted - 2013.11.13 14:13:00 - [57] - Quote Wish Dust514 had Electric Magnetic Pulse weapons. . EMP Orbital, EMP grenade or EMP Beacon that cancels electronics in it's operating range for 60-90 seconds. ??? Or CCP just create a ECM jammer so you have some balance against those fleshlights! <---- Pun intended. "If you can dodge a Wrench, you can dodge a Duvolle".
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1083	Posted - 2013.11.13 14:23:00 - [58] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED This is all I see all match almost every match and it is slowly driving me insane! Does profile dampening do anything to counter this for a medium frame suit or is this the great scout advantage? I'm not asking for a nerf I'm sick of nerfs, but I'm also getting more than a little fed up of the active scanner. Anyway I just needed to rant sort of, its cathartic. lol SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED Is what I am used to seeing, maybe slap on a complex damp and play with the smug satisfaction that you see them and they do not see you One is all it takes on a logi, I rarely see "YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED" unless I don't have a damp fitted. Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
Papa Chanoli WarRavens League of Infamy 91	Posted - 2013.11.13 18:06:00 - [59] - Quote Such an easy thing to work around and still the complaints. Forums just may be the worst thing that ever happened to Dust.
Joel II X AHPA 137	Posted - 2013.11.13 18:09:00 - [60] - Quote SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED NO ERROR MARGIN SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED Get on my level

Smooth Assassin Stardust incorporation 353	Posted - 2013.11.13 18:10:00 - [61] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED This is all I see all match almost every match and it is slowly driving me insane! Does profile dampening do anything to counter this for a medium frame suit or is this the great scout advantage? I'm not asking for a nerf I'm sick of nerfs, but I'm also getting more than a little fed up of the active scanner. Anyway I just needed to rant sort of, its cathartic. SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED Maybe you're scanning yourself with that scanner? *Assassination is my thing.*
Cenex Langly D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 370	Posted - 2013.11.13 18:11:00 - [62] - Quote DJINN Marauder wrote: Zahle Undt wrote: YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED This is all I see all match almost every match and it is slowly driving me insane! Does profile dampening do anything to counter this for a medium frame suit or is this the great scout advantage? I'm not asking for a nerf I'm sick of nerfs, but I'm also getting more than a little fed up of the active scanner. Anyway I just needed to rant sort of, its cathartic. Ehh... Even for a scout, running profile dampeners ruins my fit. For mediums you gotta run 2 enhanced** I think to get below proto scanner. Honestly it's not worth it. My best advice is run your own scanner. Fight fire with fire. Scanners are OP as hell. They do deserve some kind of change to them Add squad vision back in and remove active scanners. Make it so noises make you blip on the radar. Make it so TANKS are on the radar when they are shooting. Make it so you SEE LAV's on the radar. And you won't get people like me constantly scanning just to continually be aware of what's going on around them so they aren't jumped by X, Y, and Z... (FYI, that was to both posters) Director (Management) D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
Daxxis KANNAH Distinct Covert Initiative 449	Posted - 2013.11.13 18:23:00 - [63] - Quote Justicar Karnellia wrote: I agree. They should just do one of the following: a) Leave "YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED" up permanently on your screen - I ignore it anyway and just play with the assumption I have been scanned because it pops up virtually all the time in battle. b) remove the notification entirely - even if you've been scanned. It doesn't help me (I just assume people can see where I am), and the person doing the scanning has his own notification icon, so it doesn't help him either. The notification just needs to be incorporated into the HUD. A red outline of the whole screen or just the HUD for a couple seconds with an indicator somewhere at the bottom remaining red until the scan dissipates.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1088	Posted - 2013.11.14 14:25:00 - [64] - Quote Rynoceros wrote: It always makes me wanna give a terrified, "Oh **, I've been scanned! What the do I do? We're all gonna *** die! Run, MFs, RUN!" over the comms. But, the wife and kids are usually sleeping so I just snort and giggle thinking about it. (It's really funny when you're ripped.) It is some funny ** when you're sober too.... I read that in a Doc Brown voice, picturing a full squad of medium frames with ARs reacting the same way he did when the libyans started rolling into the Hill Valley mall parking lot... LOL I can't stop laughing Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
Anarchide Greedy Bastards 2467	Posted - 2013.11.14 14:30:00 - [65] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED This is all I see all match almost every match and it is slowly driving me insane! Does profile dampening do anything to counter this for a medium frame suit or is this the great scout advantage? I'm not asking for a nerf I'm sick of nerfs, but I'm also getting more than a little fed up of the active scanner. Anyway I just needed to rant sort of, its cathartic. It means someone is looking for you. Go say "Hello!" Level 2 Forum Warrior Hate Lord
Anarchide Greedy Bastards 2467	Posted - 2013.11.14 14:32:00 - [66] - Quote You might wanna bring some guns with you... Just sayin' Level 2 Forum Warrior Hate Lord
Anarchide Greedy Bastards 2467	Posted - 2013.11.14 14:48:00 - [67] - Quote Be sure to visit Anarchide's Active Scanner Emporium; we have all the scanners! We also have everything else to satisfy your every Logibrotistics needs Best selections and prices in New Eden Level 2 Forum Warrior Hate Lord
Broonfondle Majikthies Bannana Boat Corp Relentless Heroes Alliance 427	Posted - 2013.11.14 15:14:00 - [68] - Quote YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED What's this? I'm.. scanned My glorious schemes have been ruined. RUINED! Well thats it, may as well pack up and go back to the merc quarters... ... oh wait, thats right, I brought guns bombs and pointy things with me "We demand rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty!"
Luk Manag of Terror TRE GAFFEL 163	Posted - 2013.11.14 15:40:00 - [69] - Quote The scanner is good. It is a bit too easy to scan scouts and they should be hidden from advanced scanners by default. Modules like shield extenders and armor plates should add 5dB, so a bricktanked scout will be detected by advanced, and it would be that much harder for medium suits to hide if they are rocking 800+ hitpoints. We should also have a deployable omnidirectional scanner with some reasonable radius, maybe 25 meters.
Awesome Pantaloons Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 149	Posted - 2013.11.14 15:56:00 - [70] - Quote DJINN Marauder wrote: Zero Notion wrote: Quote: For mediums you gotta run 2 enchanted I think to get below proto scanner. Honestly it's not worth it. Hey, this guy is cheating! He's enchanting his gear! OP. Nerf enchants. Makes me wanna go back and play skyrim Don't hate on him! He worked hard to get his enchanting skill up so he could take the Extra Effect perk! After all, they fixed the Oghma Infinium glitch. "The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited." -The Code of Demeanor

Kaylee Veloc ShootBreakStab 25	Posted - 2013.11.14 16:38:00 - [71] - Quote Luk Manag wrote: Modules like shield extenders and armor plates should add 5dB, so a bricktanked scout will be detected by advanced, and it would be that much harder for medium suits to hide if they are rocking 800+ hitpoints. Don't mean to nit pick but a tanked medium suit won't be hiding from a scanner anyway when it takes Profile Dampening 5 and 2 Complex modules to avoid all but 1 scanner. It's pretty hard as it is to get that avoided message compared to what it takes to scan.
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 1863	Posted - 2013.11.14 17:03:00 - [72] - Quote You have been scanned-prepare for the RX#E train! I shall show you a world, a world which you cant imagine, a world full off butthurt n00bs at the other end of my gun
Anarchide Greedy Bastards 2469	Posted - 2013.11.14 18:28:00 - [73] - Quote YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED you owe us 9,99$ Have a nice day! Level 2 Forum Warrior Hate Lord
Canis Ferox Ultramarine Corp 7	Posted - 2013.11.14 18:44:00 - [74] - Quote SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED I was saving SP for a proto suit. When 1.6 came out I knew it had to be a Gallente Scout. I fit it with two militia dampners. Try finding me now b**ches! Peace - Canis Ferox
Forlorn Destrier Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2215	Posted - 2013.11.14 18:52:00 - [75] - Quote Canis Ferox wrote: SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED I was saving SP for a proto suit. When 1.6 came out I knew it had to be a Gallente Scout. I fit it with two militia dampners. Try finding me now bches! Peace - Canis Ferox This always give me a happy feeling. The time of your legacy is here. Will you rise? Join Legacy Rising**
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL 386	Posted - 2013.11.14 19:22:00 - [76] - Quote Great, another "scans are OP" QQ thread from people who don't want to use dampeners. Since a lot of people here don't know what they're talking about, here are the facts: 1) Spin scans are not 100% reliable. If you spin too fast, scanned enemies will blip then fade from your minimap. A constant hold over a scanned area is needed for enemies to pulse reliably after scanning. 2) If a scout or dampened suit dodges your scans, you do NOT receive the "Some Margin of Error" message. It still shows "No Margin of Error". This has been in effect since 1.5. 3) Scouts need only one militia/basic dampener and Level 2 in dampening to avoid 28dB proto scans. Advanced scanners are avoided innately when the racial scout skill is at proto. Medium frames need one complex dampener to avoid advanced scans, and two complex to avoid proto scans (obviously with Level 5 in dampening). Only the Gallente Scout with 4x complex dampeners can avoid the 15dB proto scanner, but because of its drawbacks as a scanner this one is rarely used. 4) Sometimes, if you scan the same area too quickly, the scanned pulse time from the second scan does not refresh the pulsing from the first scan. This happens often with quantum scanners. Therefore if you spam it too much, you handicap yourself because you're left without any fresh scan data as you wait for the cooldown to end. 5) If the cooldowns for quantum scanners were changed, then logis would either run dual scanners or simply have multiple scanners in a squad (which is quite prevalent already). So while it would be an overall equipment nerf (slot blocking to prevent the use of other equipment), it would not significantly change how scans are used in game. I have scanning to proto and dampening to proto, and run dampeners on my Cal Logi suit exclusively (usually two, sometimes just one). I use one basic plate regardless of how many dampeners I have. Yet I can still pull off games where I get 30/0 or 35/1, simply because you do not need to brick tank to be an effective fighter. Stealth and surprise end many engagements before they even begin.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1089	Posted - 2013.11.14 19:40:00 - [77] - Quote Sig tanking > brick tanking Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
Daxxis KANNAH Distinct Covert Initiative 449	Posted - 2013.11.14 19:56:00 - [78] - Quote So when it says some margin of error what does that mean ?
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 7578	Posted - 2013.11.14 20:05:00 - [79] - Quote Daxxis KANNAH wrote: So when it says some margin of error what does that mean ? That means that somewhere in your scan there's at least one person who's profile dampening is better than your scanning. Stories / Vids # 5
SgtDoughnut Red Star Jr. EoN. 370	Posted - 2013.11.14 20:16:00 - [80] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: Zahle Undt wrote: YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED This is all I see all match almost every match and it is slowly driving me insane! Does profile dampening do anything to counter this for a medium frame suit or is this the great scout advantage? I'm not asking for a nerf I'm sick of nerfs, but I'm also getting more than a little fed up of the active scanner. Anyway I just needed to rant sort of, its cathartic. lol SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED Is what I am used to seeing, maybe slap on a complex damp and play with the smug satisfaction that you see them and they do not see you One is all it takes on a logi, I rarely see "YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED" unless I don't have a damp fitted. They still know your in the area though, which is usually enough information to prevent you from surprising people.

Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL 386	Posted - 2013.11.14 20:30:00 - [81] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Daxxis KANNAH wrote: So when it says some margin of error what does that mean ? That means that somewhere in your scan there's at least one person who's profile dampening is better than your scanning. That's what it used to mean. But it doesn't do that anymore. If someone is running dampeners, it still gives the person scanning the "No Margin of Error" message. I have tested this in Oceania and seen it happen several times in game (i.e. I see a scout duck behind cover, scan him with the A-45 Quantum, and still get the "No Margin of Error" message). When was the last time you scanned and saw the "Some Margin of Error" message? I run scanners all the time and haven't seen it since 1.5 hit.
ADAM-OF-EVE Svartur Bjorn 482	Posted - 2013.11.14 21:07:00 - [82] - Quote its annoys me too.... rather than a "you have been scanned" a simple flashing of the hud would surfice.. or the map on 2nd thought that might be worse how about making dampners active modules with a better effect but short duration. as soon as you get scanned you turn it on and if you succeed the "you have been scanned disapears and so do you. at least you would have a chance at evading a scan Ten soldiers wisely led will beat a hundred without a head https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
Maximus Stryker Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 687	Posted - 2013.11.14 21:21:00 - [83] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: You can shoot with your flasight out that gives away enemies at the same time I am not sure if you all are ignoring Heimdallr or simply do not understand what he said. I am hoping you are just not understand as I feel he hit on a major issue: People are running around and performing a glitch that allows them to simultaneously and continuously scan and shoot their weapon. Yes, you read that correctly... Edit: also I think it is dumb that a person operating a scanner gets notified when someone "beats" their scanner. Just get rid of hte error message, you might as well say, hey, we wont show you where a person is but know that they are close to you so watch out... *Faction Channels for FW Staging* PIE Ground Control \| Caldari Hierarchy \| Turalyon \| Chosen Matari
Daxxis KANNAH Distinct Covert Initiative 449	Posted - 2013.11.14 21:42:00 - [84] - Quote Sana Rayya wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Daxxis KANNAH wrote: So when it says some margin of error what does that mean ? That means that somewhere in your scan there's at least one person who's profile dampening is better than your scanning. That's what it used to mean. But it doesn't do that anymore. If someone is running dampeners, it still gives the person scanning the "No Margin of Error" message. I have tested this in Oceania and seen it happen several times in game (i.e. I see a scout duck behind cover, scan him with the A-45 Quantum, and still get the "No Margin of Error" message). When was the last time you scanned and saw the "Some Margin of Error" message? I run scanners all the time and haven't seen it since 1.5 hit. I saw it this weekend - that is why I am asking you for clarification. CCP really should clarify stuff like this.
Broonfondle Majikthies Bannana Boat Corp Relentless Heroes Alliance 429	Posted - 2013.11.14 21:45:00 - [85] - Quote Daxxis KANNAH wrote: Sana Rayya wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Daxxis KANNAH wrote: So when it says some margin of error what does that mean ? That means that somewhere in your scan there's at least one person who's profile dampening is better than your scanning. That's what it used to mean. But it doesn't do that anymore. If someone is running dampeners, it still gives the person scanning the "No Margin of Error" message. I have tested this in Oceania and seen it happen several times in game (i.e. I see a scout duck behind cover, scan him with the A-45 Quantum, and still get the "No Margin of Error" message). When was the last time you scanned and saw the "Some Margin of Error" message? I run scanners all the time and haven't seen it since 1.5 hit. I saw it this weekend - that is why I am asking you for clarification. CCP really should clarify stuff like this. I believe it depends how well dampened the enemy is. If their profile is a lot better than your scanner I'd like to think it prevents the error message. Happens to me too sometimes. Just wish that as a scout the message would tell you if someone is searching for me or not due to error message "We demand rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty!"
Blaze Ashra Ametat Security Amarr Empire 25	Posted - 2013.11.14 22:05:00 - [86] - Quote I smile every time I see a scanners are OP comment. Just glad they're not useless anymore.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1092	Posted - 2013.11.15 00:19:00 - [87] - Quote SgtDoughnut wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: Zahle Undt wrote: YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED This is all I see all match almost every match and it is slowly driving me insane! Does profile dampening do anything to counter this for a medium frame suit or is this the great scout advantage? I'm not asking for a nerf I'm sick of nerfs, but I'm also getting more than a little fed up of the active scanner. Anyway I just needed to rant sort of, its cathartic. lol SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED Is what I am used to seeing, maybe slap on a complex damp and play with the smug satisfaction that you see them and they do not see you One is all it takes on a logi, I rarely see "YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED" unless I don't have a damp fitted. They still know your in the area though, which is usually enough information to prevent you from surprising people. Yeah, but you always have that chance to juke them and circle around behind them for the execution. Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
Draxus Prime BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 1734	Posted - 2013.11.15 00:23:00 - [88] - Quote muahahaha I only ever see SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED GÇƒSpilling floor cleaner only makes the floor cleaner" - Draxus Prime The Master of the Nova Knifes Closed Beta Vet
Michael Arck Anubis Prime Syndicate 1833	Posted - 2013.11.15 00:25:00 - [89] - Quote I said this before it all happened. The WPs system associated with the scanning was going to increase the usage of them. It is to be expected.
Solomon Malcolm BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 53	Posted - 2013.11.15 00:55:00 - [90] - Quote This thread is sooooo true. it drives me nuts seeing the word all day! This is reason i will always keep this in my sig. EDIT: But with damping mods is another story..... "You Have Been Scanned" i don't talk much.

Quill Killian Better Hide R Die 271	Posted - 2013.11.15 03:11:00 - [91] - Quote If you're in a group and it's more than a quarter of the way into a match when you get scanned, it's a good idea to get the hell out of dodge before an orbital is dropped on your group's head. I'm speaking from experience.
The Eristic Sad Panda Solutions 68	Posted - 2013.11.15 12:29:00 - [92] - Quote Scanning just needs more potent tradeoffs. "You have been scanned, ~65m NW." Fixed, imo. Perhaps create a module that makes the info more accurate. Scanning within minimap range should light up the scanner's red dot, too. Creates room for different scanners that expose you more or less in exchange for precision, range, etc and yet more eWar modules.


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