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Smooth Assassin
Stardust incorporation
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Posted - 2013.11.13 18:10:00 -
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Zahle Undt wrote:YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED
This is all I see all match almost every match and it is slowly driving me insane! Does profile dampening do anything to counter this for a medium frame suit or is this the great scout advantage? I'm not asking for a nerf I'm sick of nerfs, but I'm also getting more than a little fed up of the active scanner. Anyway I just needed to rant sort of, its cathartic.
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Maybe you're scanning yourself with that scanner?
Assassination is my thing.
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Cenex Langly
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
370
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Posted - 2013.11.13 18:11:00 -
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DJINN Marauder wrote:Zahle Undt wrote:YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED
This is all I see all match almost every match and it is slowly driving me insane! Does profile dampening do anything to counter this for a medium frame suit or is this the great scout advantage? I'm not asking for a nerf I'm sick of nerfs, but I'm also getting more than a little fed up of the active scanner. Anyway I just needed to rant sort of, its cathartic.
Ehh... Even for a scout, running profile dampeners ruins my fit. For mediums you gotta run 2 enhanced** I think to get below proto scanner. Honestly it's not worth it. My best advice is run your own scanner. Fight fire with fire. Scanners are OP as hell. They do deserve some kind of change to them
Add squad vision back in and remove active scanners. Make it so noises make you blip on the radar. Make it so TANKS are on the radar when they are shooting. Make it so you SEE LAV's on the radar. And you won't get people like me constantly scanning just to continually be aware of what's going on around them so they aren't jumped by X, Y, and Z...
(FYI, that was to both posters)
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Daxxis KANNAH
Distinct Covert Initiative
449
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Posted - 2013.11.13 18:23:00 -
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Justicar Karnellia wrote:I agree. They should just do one of the following:
a) Leave "YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED" up permanently on your screen - I ignore it anyway and just play with the assumption I have been scanned because it pops up virtually all the time in battle.
b) remove the notification entirely - even if you've been scanned. It doesn't help me (I just assume people can see where I am), and the person doing the scanning has his own notification icon, so it doesn't help him either.
The notification just needs to be incorporated into the HUD.
A red outline of the whole screen or just the HUD for a couple seconds with an indicator somewhere at the bottom remaining red until the scan dissipates.
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Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows
1088
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Posted - 2013.11.14 14:25:00 -
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Rynoceros wrote:It always makes me wanna give a terrified, "Oh ****, I've been scanned! What the **** do I do? We're all gonna ******* die! Run, MFs, RUN!" over the comms. But, the wife and kids are usually sleeping so I just snort and giggle thinking about it.
(It's really funny when you're ripped.) It is some funny **** when you're sober too....
I read that in a Doc Brown voice, picturing a full squad of medium frames with ARs reacting the same way he did when the libyans started rolling into the Hill Valley mall parking lot...
LOL
I can't stop laughing
Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives
Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten
Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
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Anarchide
Greedy Bastards
2467
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Posted - 2013.11.14 14:30:00 -
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Zahle Undt wrote:YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED
This is all I see all match almost every match and it is slowly driving me insane! Does profile dampening do anything to counter this for a medium frame suit or is this the great scout advantage? I'm not asking for a nerf I'm sick of nerfs, but I'm also getting more than a little fed up of the active scanner. Anyway I just needed to rant sort of, its cathartic.
It means someone is looking for you. Go say "Hello!"
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Anarchide
Greedy Bastards
2467
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Posted - 2013.11.14 14:32:00 -
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You might wanna bring some guns with you... Just sayin'
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Hate Lord
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Anarchide
Greedy Bastards
2467
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Posted - 2013.11.14 14:48:00 -
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Be sure to visit Anarchide's Active Scanner Emporium; we have all the scanners!
We also have everything else to satisfy your every Logibrotistics needs
Best selections and prices in New Eden
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Broonfondle Majikthies
Bannana Boat Corp Relentless Heroes Alliance
427
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Posted - 2013.11.14 15:14:00 -
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YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED
What's this? I'm.. scanned My glorious schemes have been ruined. RUINED!
Well thats it, may as well pack up and go back to the merc quarters...
... oh wait, thats right, I brought guns bombs and pointy things with me
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Luk Manag
of Terror TRE GAFFEL
163
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Posted - 2013.11.14 15:40:00 -
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The scanner is good. It is a bit too easy to scan scouts and they should be hidden from advanced scanners by default. Modules like shield extenders and armor plates should add 5dB, so a bricktanked scout will be detected by advanced, and it would be that much harder for medium suits to hide if they are rocking 800+ hitpoints. We should also have a deployable omnidirectional scanner with some reasonable radius, maybe 25 meters. |
Awesome Pantaloons
Tech Guard RISE of LEGION
149
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Posted - 2013.11.14 15:56:00 -
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DJINN Marauder wrote:Zero Notion wrote:Quote:For mediums you gotta run 2 enchanted I think to get below proto scanner. Honestly it's not worth it. Hey, this guy is cheating! He's enchanting his gear! OP. Nerf enchants. Makes me wanna go back and play skyrim
Don't hate on him! He worked hard to get his enchanting skill up so he could take the Extra Effect perk! After all, they fixed the Oghma Infinium glitch.
"The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited."
-The Code of Demeanor
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Kaylee Veloc
ShootBreakStab
25
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Posted - 2013.11.14 16:38:00 -
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Luk Manag wrote:Modules like shield extenders and armor plates should add 5dB, so a bricktanked scout will be detected by advanced, and it would be that much harder for medium suits to hide if they are rocking 800+ hitpoints.
Don't mean to nit pick but a tanked medium suit won't be hiding from a scanner anyway when it takes Profile Dampening 5 and 2 Complex modules to avoid all but 1 scanner. It's pretty hard as it is to get that avoided message compared to what it takes to scan. |
The dark cloud
The Rainbow Effect
1863
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Posted - 2013.11.14 17:03:00 -
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You have been scanned-prepare for the RX#E train!
I shall show you a world, a world which you cant imagine, a world full off butthurt n00bs at the other end of my gun
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Anarchide
Greedy Bastards
2469
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Posted - 2013.11.14 18:28:00 -
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YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED
you owe us 9,99$
Have a nice day!
Level 2 Forum Warrior
Hate Lord
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Canis Ferox
Ultramarine Corp
7
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Posted - 2013.11.14 18:44:00 -
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SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED
I was saving SP for a proto suit. When 1.6 came out I knew it had to be a Gallente Scout. I fit it with two militia dampners.
Try finding me now b**ches!
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Forlorn Destrier
Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising
2215
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Posted - 2013.11.14 18:52:00 -
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Canis Ferox wrote:SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED
I was saving SP for a proto suit. When 1.6 came out I knew it had to be a Gallente Scout. I fit it with two militia dampners.
Try finding me now b**ches!
Peace - Canis Ferox
This always give me a happy feeling.
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Sana Rayya
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL
386
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Posted - 2013.11.14 19:22:00 -
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Great, another "scans are OP" QQ thread from people who don't want to use dampeners.
Since a lot of people here don't know what they're talking about, here are the facts:
1) Spin scans are not 100% reliable. If you spin too fast, scanned enemies will blip then fade from your minimap. A constant hold over a scanned area is needed for enemies to pulse reliably after scanning.
2) If a scout or dampened suit dodges your scans, you do NOT receive the "Some Margin of Error" message. It still shows "No Margin of Error". This has been in effect since 1.5.
3) Scouts need only one militia/basic dampener and Level 2 in dampening to avoid 28dB proto scans. Advanced scanners are avoided innately when the racial scout skill is at proto. Medium frames need one complex dampener to avoid advanced scans, and two complex to avoid proto scans (obviously with Level 5 in dampening). Only the Gallente Scout with 4x complex dampeners can avoid the 15dB proto scanner, but because of its drawbacks as a scanner this one is rarely used.
4) Sometimes, if you scan the same area too quickly, the scanned pulse time from the second scan does not refresh the pulsing from the first scan. This happens often with quantum scanners. Therefore if you spam it too much, you handicap yourself because you're left without any fresh scan data as you wait for the cooldown to end.
5) If the cooldowns for quantum scanners were changed, then logis would either run dual scanners or simply have multiple scanners in a squad (which is quite prevalent already). So while it would be an overall equipment nerf (slot blocking to prevent the use of other equipment), it would not significantly change how scans are used in game.
I have scanning to proto and dampening to proto, and run dampeners on my Cal Logi suit exclusively (usually two, sometimes just one). I use one basic plate regardless of how many dampeners I have. Yet I can still pull off games where I get 30/0 or 35/1, simply because you do not need to brick tank to be an effective fighter. Stealth and surprise end many engagements before they even begin. |
Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows
1089
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Posted - 2013.11.14 19:40:00 -
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Sig tanking > brick tanking
Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives
Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten
Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
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Daxxis KANNAH
Distinct Covert Initiative
449
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Posted - 2013.11.14 19:56:00 -
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So when it says some margin of error what does that mean ? |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
7578
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Posted - 2013.11.14 20:05:00 -
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Daxxis KANNAH wrote:So when it says some margin of error what does that mean ? That means that somewhere in your scan there's at least one person who's profile dampening is better than your scanning.
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SgtDoughnut
Red Star Jr. EoN.
370
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Posted - 2013.11.14 20:16:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote:Zahle Undt wrote:YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED
This is all I see all match almost every match and it is slowly driving me insane! Does profile dampening do anything to counter this for a medium frame suit or is this the great scout advantage? I'm not asking for a nerf I'm sick of nerfs, but I'm also getting more than a little fed up of the active scanner. Anyway I just needed to rant sort of, its cathartic.
lol SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED Is what I am used to seeing, maybe slap on a complex damp and play with the smug satisfaction that you see them and they do not see you One is all it takes on a logi, I rarely see "YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED" unless I don't have a damp fitted.
They still know your in the area though, which is usually enough information to prevent you from surprising people. |
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Sana Rayya
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL
386
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Posted - 2013.11.14 20:30:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Daxxis KANNAH wrote:So when it says some margin of error what does that mean ? That means that somewhere in your scan there's at least one person who's profile dampening is better than your scanning.
That's what it used to mean. But it doesn't do that anymore. If someone is running dampeners, it still gives the person scanning the "No Margin of Error" message. I have tested this in Oceania and seen it happen several times in game (i.e. I see a scout duck behind cover, scan him with the A-45 Quantum, and still get the "No Margin of Error" message).
When was the last time you scanned and saw the "Some Margin of Error" message? I run scanners all the time and haven't seen it since 1.5 hit. |
ADAM-OF-EVE
Svartur Bjorn
482
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Posted - 2013.11.14 21:07:00 -
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its annoys me too.... rather than a "you have been scanned" a simple flashing of the hud would surfice.. or the map
on 2nd thought that might be worse
how about making dampners active modules with a better effect but short duration. as soon as you get scanned you turn it on and if you succeed the "you have been scanned disapears and so do you. at least you would have a chance at evading a scan
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Maximus Stryker
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
687
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Posted - 2013.11.14 21:21:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:You can shoot with your flasight out that gives away enemies at the same time I am not sure if you all are ignoring Heimdallr or simply do not understand what he said. I am hoping you are just not understand as I feel he hit on a major issue:
People are running around and performing a glitch that allows them to simultaneously and continuously scan and shoot their weapon. Yes, you read that correctly...
Edit: also I think it is dumb that a person operating a scanner gets notified when someone "beats" their scanner. Just get rid of hte error message, you might as well say, hey, we wont show you where a person is but know that they are close to you so watch out...
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Daxxis KANNAH
Distinct Covert Initiative
449
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Posted - 2013.11.14 21:42:00 -
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Sana Rayya wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Daxxis KANNAH wrote:So when it says some margin of error what does that mean ? That means that somewhere in your scan there's at least one person who's profile dampening is better than your scanning. That's what it used to mean. But it doesn't do that anymore. If someone is running dampeners, it still gives the person scanning the "No Margin of Error" message. I have tested this in Oceania and seen it happen several times in game (i.e. I see a scout duck behind cover, scan him with the A-45 Quantum, and still get the "No Margin of Error" message). When was the last time you scanned and saw the "Some Margin of Error" message? I run scanners all the time and haven't seen it since 1.5 hit.
I saw it this weekend - that is why I am asking you for clarification.
CCP really should clarify stuff like this. |
Broonfondle Majikthies
Bannana Boat Corp Relentless Heroes Alliance
429
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Posted - 2013.11.14 21:45:00 -
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Daxxis KANNAH wrote:Sana Rayya wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Daxxis KANNAH wrote:So when it says some margin of error what does that mean ? That means that somewhere in your scan there's at least one person who's profile dampening is better than your scanning. That's what it used to mean. But it doesn't do that anymore. If someone is running dampeners, it still gives the person scanning the "No Margin of Error" message. I have tested this in Oceania and seen it happen several times in game (i.e. I see a scout duck behind cover, scan him with the A-45 Quantum, and still get the "No Margin of Error" message). When was the last time you scanned and saw the "Some Margin of Error" message? I run scanners all the time and haven't seen it since 1.5 hit. I saw it this weekend - that is why I am asking you for clarification. CCP really should clarify stuff like this. I believe it depends how well dampened the enemy is. If their profile is a lot better than your scanner I'd like to think it prevents the error message. Happens to me too sometimes. Just wish that as a scout the message would tell you if someone is searching for me or not due to error message
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Blaze Ashra
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
25
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Posted - 2013.11.14 22:05:00 -
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I smile every time I see a scanners are OP comment. Just glad they're not useless anymore. |
Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows
1092
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Posted - 2013.11.15 00:19:00 -
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SgtDoughnut wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote:Zahle Undt wrote:YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED
This is all I see all match almost every match and it is slowly driving me insane! Does profile dampening do anything to counter this for a medium frame suit or is this the great scout advantage? I'm not asking for a nerf I'm sick of nerfs, but I'm also getting more than a little fed up of the active scanner. Anyway I just needed to rant sort of, its cathartic.
lol SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED Is what I am used to seeing, maybe slap on a complex damp and play with the smug satisfaction that you see them and they do not see you One is all it takes on a logi, I rarely see "YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED" unless I don't have a damp fitted. They still know your in the area though, which is usually enough information to prevent you from surprising people. Yeah, but you always have that chance to juke them and circle around behind them for the execution.
Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives
Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten
Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
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Draxus Prime
BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder.
1734
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Posted - 2013.11.15 00:23:00 -
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muahahaha I only ever see SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED
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The Master of the Nova Knifes
Closed Beta Vet
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Michael Arck
Anubis Prime Syndicate
1833
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Posted - 2013.11.15 00:25:00 -
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I said this before it all happened. The WPs system associated with the scanning was going to increase the usage of them. It is to be expected. |
Solomon Malcolm
BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder.
53
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Posted - 2013.11.15 00:55:00 -
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This thread is sooooo true. it drives me nuts seeing the word all day! This is reason i will always keep this in my sig.
EDIT: But with damping mods is another story.....
"You Have Been Scanned" i don't talk much.
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