DUST Search - YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED

Krom Ganesh wrote:

The biggest problem with active scanners is that they allow the user to scan way too often.

Think of any other multiplayer FPS that lets you detect enemies through walls and share their location with teammates. Do they let you spam this ability? I at least haven't seen one. This is because knowing the enemy's location too often severely devalues tactics other than full frontal assault. For example, want to try flanking the enemy while they are distracted? You just divided your forces and the smaller of the two is easily over run by the one large enemy force since they can see your every move.

The only solution to people spamming scanners is to greatly increase their cooldown time. As in 7 or 8 times the duration enemies are spotted. Why so high? Because scanners should be something to get an idea of where the enemy is located for a short duration. By increasing the cooldown to 7 or 8 times the duration enemies are spotted, a dedicated scanner logi can stack multiple scanners to give a fairly good idea of where the enemy is at during the entire engagement but still cannot provide a constant feed of enemy locations.

There could still be a short range (~45m) wide angle scanner that has a low cooldown timer to act as a proximity scan though.

They also need to prevent spinning or sweeping while scanning being able to scan at greater angles than the scanner's listed angle.

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Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 450	Posted - 2013.11.13 00:42:00 - [1] - Quote YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED This is all I see all match almost every match and it is slowly driving me insane! Does profile dampening do anything to counter this for a medium frame suit or is this the great scout advantage? I'm not asking for a nerf I'm sick of nerfs, but I'm also getting more than a little fed up of the active scanner. Anyway I just needed to rant sort of, its cathartic.
Zero Notion Wraith Company 315	Posted - 2013.11.13 00:43:00 - [2] - Quote It can help but you probably will need to utilize the modules, too. I find that counter-scanning to be a better option, at least you will know they're heading your way.
DJINN Marauder Ancient Exiles. 2874	Posted - 2013.11.13 00:44:00 - [3] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED This is all I see all match almost every match and it is slowly driving me insane! Does profile dampening do anything to counter this for a medium frame suit or is this the great scout advantage? I'm not asking for a nerf I'm sick of nerfs, but I'm also getting more than a little fed up of the active scanner. Anyway I just needed to rant sort of, its cathartic. Ehh... Even for a scout, running profile dampeners ruins my fit. For mediums you gotta run 2 enchanted I think to get below proto scanner. Honestly it's not worth it. My best advice is run your own scanner. Fight fire with fire. Scanners are OP as hell. They do deserve some kind of change to them GôÉGô¥GôÿGô£Gôö > GôÉGô¢Gô¢ Gÿà¿When will dust get better?Gÿà Forum Warrior LV. 2
LUGMOS YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE 91	Posted - 2013.11.13 00:45:00 - [4] - Quote Lol "great scout advantage." Solution: skill into scout. ;) The biggest threat to my scout is everything. My scout is the biggest threat to everything.
Ghost Kaisar R 0 N 1 N 821	Posted - 2013.11.13 00:47:00 - [5] - Quote Meh. Running scout just removes some of the direct inconveniences. You still get the super annoying "SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED" popping up on the screen, and they still know that you are in the cone of scan, just not where. It's probably the only thing that makes scouts halfway decent. "All war is deception." "He who knows when he can fight and when he cannot, will be victorious" -Sun Tzu
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 7536	Posted - 2013.11.13 00:49:00 - [6] - Quote Scanners really need to be toned back >_< Fan Fiction \ Broke Dropship Pilot /
MassiveNine 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 475	Posted - 2013.11.13 00:51:00 - [7] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Scanners really need to be toned back >_< Like a LOT. Pretty ridiculous I'd say to have a tool that can tell you where anyone is at any given time halfway across the map. Official DUST514 LAV Mechanic
Zero Notion Wraith Company 315	Posted - 2013.11.13 00:51:00 - [8] - Quote Quote: For mediums you gotta run 2 enchanted I think to get below proto scanner. Honestly it's not worth it. Hey, this guy is cheating! He's enchanting his gear! OP. Nerf enchants.
Zero Notion Wraith Company 315	Posted - 2013.11.13 00:53:00 - [9] - Quote MassiveNine wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Scanners really need to be toned back >_< Like a LOT. Pretty ridiculous I'd say to have a tool that can tell you where anyone is at any given time halfway across the map. They need to work off your own dropsuits precision and scan range, with a small buff to both from the scanner itself. It's an item that only serves to make the scout suit less useful in the utility department but with those changes, it would at least give them something in return for being so squishy.
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 857	Posted - 2013.11.13 00:54:00 - [10] - Quote fit to be under their scan. that is all.

knight of 6 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 585	Posted - 2013.11.13 00:54:00 - [11] - Quote SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED even when you win you lose cause they still know someone is there. it's especially dangerous when you're solo. "God favors the side with the best artillery" ~ Napoleon Ko6, scout, tanker. CLOSED BETA VET
DJINN Marauder Ancient Exiles. 2875	Posted - 2013.11.13 00:56:00 - [12] - Quote Zero Notion wrote: Quote: For mediums you gotta run 2 enchanted I think to get below proto scanner. Honestly it's not worth it. Hey, this guy is cheating! He's enchanting his gear! OP. Nerf enchants. Makes me wanna go back and play skyrim GôÉGô¥GôÿGô£Gôö > GôÉGô¢Gô¢ Gÿà¿When will dust get better?Gÿà Forum Warrior LV. 2
Heimdallr69 Imperfect Bastards 1262	Posted - 2013.11.13 01:00:00 - [13] - Quote You can shoot with your flasight out that gives away enemies at the same time I'm everyone's type
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 451	Posted - 2013.11.13 01:08:00 - [14] - Quote Zero Notion wrote: MassiveNine wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Scanners really need to be toned back >_< Like a LOT. Pretty ridiculous I'd say to have a tool that can tell you where anyone is at any given time halfway across the map. They need to work off your own dropsuits precision and scan range, with a small buff to both from the scanner itself. It's an item that only serves to make the scout suit less useful in the utility department but with those changes, it would at least give them something in return for being so squishy. As someone who plays exclusively logi and asault at the moment I fully support this idea it would make scouts useful for....... scouting And if a logi puts SP into scan precision and range they can do an OK job with the scanner but not as good as a scout who is trained up in those skills plus already has a bonus to those things. Heck, you can make this a bonus on one of the scout racial variants that we have yet to see even coughAmarrcough
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 10182	Posted - 2013.11.13 01:12:00 - [15] - Quote "You know I am here so come and get me!" CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier Specialist Current Theme \\= Advanced Scrambler Rifle =// Unlocked
Meeko Fent Xer Cloud Consortium 1503	Posted - 2013.11.13 01:15:00 - [16] - Quote Nerf Scanners. It's the only way scouts can have stealth. For the State! For Caldari FW join Caldari Hierarchy
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 7536	Posted - 2013.11.13 01:15:00 - [17] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: "You know I am here so come and get me!" Yea, there's someone in a 150 meter radius somewhere. That's helpful Fan Fiction \ Broke Dropship Pilot /
Koan Zalinto Bobbit's Hangmen 25	Posted - 2013.11.13 01:18:00 - [18] - Quote All I see lately is scan attempt prevented ^^ It makes me smile to see that my sp is doing something. Next stop is 5 biotics then range amplification! -delighted face-
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic Top Men. 273	Posted - 2013.11.13 01:22:00 - [19] - Quote DJINN Marauder wrote: Ehh... Even for a scout, running profile dampeners ruins my fit. For mediums you gotta run 2 enhanced** I think to get below proto scanner. Honestly it's not worth it. My best advice is run your own scanner. Fight fire with fire. Scanners are OP as hell. They do deserve some kind of change to them Only need 1 enhanced and level 5 dampening to get below advanced scanners, the scanners most people run. 2 basic and level 1 dampening will also get you below advanced scanners. I know it may not help much. Scanners are pretty F'ed up right now. Just spin and you completely reveal everyone. Someone escapes the scanner and you get margin of error, so it's easy to know exactly what direction they are coming from.
lrian Locust DUST University Ivy League 292	Posted - 2013.11.13 01:26:00 - [20] - Quote LUGMOS wrote: Lol "great scout advantage." Solution: skill into scout. ;) As a scout, you still need to skill into Profile Dampening IV before you'll go underneath most (not all!) of the scans. And they'll still know someone's there. Considering the loss of eHP, slots and the SP investment, it's really not worth it.

Mieli Sydan Ultramarine Corp 22	Posted - 2013.11.13 01:29:00 - [21] - Quote A medium suit has a base scan profile of 50dB. There are only 3 skill/module combinations that matter to medium suit users using only 1 (or no) low power slot: Maxed out dampening skill, no dampening modules (10% profile dampening) 50 * .9 = 45 dB, avoids STD scanners, but not llight/scout passive scans No dampening skills, mlitia profile dampener (15% profile dampening) 50 * 0.85 = 42.5 dB, avoids STD scanners, as well as light/scout suit passive scans, unless they have at least 6% scan precision enhancement Maxed out dampening skill, 1x Complex dampening module (32.5% profile dampening) 50 * .9 * .75 = 33.75 dB, avoids ADV scanners, as well as all light/scout passive scans (without using precision enhancement modules) The key thing to note is that for medium suits, ranks in profile dampening aren't all that useful until you've got all 5 of them. No combination of profile dampening skill below 5 and a single dampener (including the AUR complex dampener) will put you below the threshold for ADV scanners. All ranks of profile dampening below 5 with no dampening modules are still detectable by STD scanners. I'm not sure what the math for stacking multiple dampeners is, but at that point, I don't think the profile dampening is worth the extra slot. (Gò»°Gûí°)Gò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+
Mieli Sydan Ultramarine Corp 22	Posted - 2013.11.13 01:32:00 - [22] - Quote Galvan Nized wrote: Only need 1 enhanced and level 5 dampening to get below advanced scanners, the scanners most people run. 2 basic and level 1 dampening will also get you below advanced scanners. I know it may not help much. Scanners are pretty F'ed up right now. Just spin and you completely reveal everyone. Someone escapes the scanner and you get margin of error, so it's easy to know exactly what direction they are coming from. This is incorrect. Level 5 dampening will put your medium suit at 45 dB precision. An enhanced dampener will drop your profile to 36dB, which is exactly the precision of an ADV scanner, which means the scanner will see you: 50 * .9 * .8 = 36 dB You need Profile Dampening V and a complex dampener module to defeat ADV scanners. (Gò»°Gûí°)Gò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+
Krom Ganesh Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 649	Posted - 2013.11.13 01:52:00 - [23] - Quote The biggest problem with active scanners is that they allow the user to scan way too often. Think of any other multiplayer FPS that lets you detect enemies through walls and share their location with teammates. Do they let you spam this ability? I at least haven't seen one. This is because knowing the enemy's location too often severely devalues tactics other than full frontal assault. For example, want to try flanking the enemy while they are distracted? You just divided your forces and the smaller of the two is easily over run by the one large enemy force since they can see your every move. The only solution to people spamming scanners is to greatly increase their cooldown time. As in 7 or 8 times the duration enemies are spotted. Why so high? Because scanners should be something to get an idea of where the enemy is located for a short duration. By increasing the cooldown to 7 or 8 times the duration enemies are spotted, a dedicated scanner logi can stack multiple scanners to give a fairly good idea of where the enemy is at during the entire engagement but still cannot provide a constant feed of enemy locations. There could still be a short range (~45m) wide angle scanner that has a low cooldown timer to act as a proximity scan though. They also need to prevent spinning or sweeping while scanning being able to scan at greater angles than the scanner's listed angle. !
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR DROID EXILES 541	Posted - 2013.11.13 02:26:00 - [24] - Quote Krom Ganesh wrote: The biggest problem with active scanners is that they allow the user to scan way too often. Think of any other multiplayer FPS that lets you detect enemies through walls and share their location with teammates. Do they let you spam this ability? I at least haven't seen one. This is because knowing the enemy's location too often severely devalues tactics other than full frontal assault. For example, want to try flanking the enemy while they are distracted? You just divided your forces and the smaller of the two is easily over run by the one large enemy force since they can see your every move. The only solution to people spamming scanners is to greatly increase their cooldown time. As in 7 or 8 times the duration enemies are spotted. Why so high? Because scanners should be something to get an idea of where the enemy is located for a short duration. By increasing the cooldown to 7 or 8 times the duration enemies are spotted, a dedicated scanner logi can stack multiple scanners to give a fairly good idea of where the enemy is at during the entire engagement but still cannot provide a constant feed of enemy locations. There could still be a short range (~45m) wide angle scanner that has a low cooldown timer to act as a proximity scan though. They also need to prevent spinning or sweeping while scanning being able to scan at greater angles than the scanner's listed angle. this isn't a bad idea. then at least scouts will be able to do something without being shot at before they even turn the corner. a¦á_a¦á So you use the AR huh?
Godin Thekiller Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 1512	Posted - 2013.11.13 02:28:00 - [25] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED This is all I see all match almost every match and it is slowly driving me insane! Does profile dampening do anything to counter this for a medium frame suit or is this the great scout advantage? I'm not asking for a nerf I'm sick of nerfs, but I'm also getting more than a little fed up of the active scanner. Anyway I just needed to rant sort of, its cathartic. You can just as easily scan tank a medium suit apparently........... 'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever!
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 815	Posted - 2013.11.13 02:29:00 - [26] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED This is all I see all match almost every match and it is slowly driving me insane! Does profile dampening do anything to counter this for a medium frame suit or is this the great scout advantage? I'm not asking for a nerf I'm sick of nerfs, but I'm also getting more than a little fed up of the active scanner. Anyway I just needed to rant sort of, its cathartic. You'll want to check out this scan fix thread: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1479849#post1479849
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 1286	Posted - 2013.11.13 03:02:00 - [27] - Quote It always makes me wanna give a terrified, "Oh **, I've been scanned! What the do I do? We're all gonna ***** die! Run, MFs, RUN!" over the comms. But, the wife and kids are usually sleeping so I just snort and giggle thinking about it. (It's really funny when you're ripped.) Cheeseburgers.
Krom Ganesh Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 650	Posted - 2013.11.13 03:04:00 - [28] - Quote TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: this isn't a bad idea. then at least scouts will be able to do something without being shot at before they even turn the corner. Actually, us scouts at least have the ability to easily avoid nearly all scanners and thus are the least affected by the scanner (the margin of error is still BS...). We may be useless until we get that ability, but at least its there. Dampening isn't really much of an option for mediums and heavies though (or at least not an effective option). This leaves them with only one option, rushing the enemy directly. Constant scanning is just a bad mechanic no matter what suit you are in. !
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 894	Posted - 2013.11.13 03:11:00 - [29] - Quote Yes, it helps on all suits (some more than others) And the effectiveness is increased based on it's tiers with Basic being the least and Complex being them most efficient. But if your not a scout or a shotty or you are on the frontlines alot, you should just stick to shield extenders, damage modifiers and armor plates. Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
Robocop Junior The Surrogates Of War 346	Posted - 2013.11.13 03:57:00 - [30] - Quote I just got scanned and I'm sitting in my merc quarters.



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