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KingBabar The Rainbow Effect 1341	Posted - 2013.11.09 20:34:00 - [1] - Quote What am l supposed to do? - Not play with my friends and corpmates? (Playing Dust solo for 5 hrs will make the game way too boring) - Not use the finelly tweaked suit l've spent 8 months perfecting? - Not maximizing my potential on the battlefield, by extension doing all l can to secure a win for my team? - What do you want me to do? And for the record, l normally run a "cheap" protosuit setup that costs 107.775 isk and the isk just keeps piling up. As long as my wallet keeps growing, what possible reason is there for me to not use a proto suit in every single battle? I've even deleted my ONE roughly 50k enhanced suit. My theory is that the guys complaining about it simply can't afford it. And don't give me the "need a challenge" BS, playing agressively enough to rack up the kills without dying more than max twice on average is challanging enough..... I'm tired of the constant QQ messages, especially after downing someone many times with an enh weapon with no mods. Besides, playing mostly EU ambush l do meet lots of other proto squads from gac, wtf, various russians and others. http://s1286.photobucket.com/user/KingBabar/media/BannerKingbabarcopy.png.html
Vegetation Monster The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 51	Posted - 2013.11.09 20:40:00 - [2] - Quote KingBabar wrote: What am l supposed to do? - Not play with my friends and corpmates? (Playing Dust solo for 5 hrs will make the game way too boring) - Not use the finelly tweaked suit l've spent 8 months perfecting? - Not maximizing my potential on the battlefield, by extension doing all l can to secure a win for my team? - What do you want me to do? And for the record, l normally run a "cheap" protosuit setup that costs 107.775 isk and the isk just keeps piling up. As long as my wallet keeps growing, what possible reason is there for me to not use a proto suit in every single battle? I've even deleted my ONE roughly 50k enhanced suit. My theory is that the guys complaining about it simply can't afford it. And don't give me the "need a challenge" BS, playing agressively enough to rack up the kills without dying more than max twice on average is challanging enough..... I'm tired of the constant QQ messages, especially after downing someone many times with an enh weapon with no mods. Besides, playing mostly EU ambush l do meet lots of other proto squads from gac, wtf, various russians and others. pub stomping.. B Double O T Y
jenza aranda BetaMax. 2037	Posted - 2013.11.09 20:43:00 - [3] - Quote to be honest i dont understand the tear either. My guess is that its simply butthurt people being buthurt. Give it no mind. Dust 514 101 // Dust 514 Wiki
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1517	Posted - 2013.11.09 20:44:00 - [4] - Quote Me and castor crave played about 6 matches yesterday. Each one was an absolute pubstomp by the other team. No remorse was shown for us and the blues.....especially because it was the same 2 corps we kept going against. All I have to say is this: I hope my RE blows your face so far into your proto suit that not even a respawn will fix it. "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle
ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals Xer Cloud Consortium 402	Posted - 2013.11.09 20:46:00 - [5] - Quote Pubstomping is the only complaint people have. If Scotty would get of his ass and *do his job*we wouldn't have this problem.
GIZMO2606 Ancient Exiles 425	Posted - 2013.11.09 20:48:00 - [6] - Quote Because other players that don't have proto weapons find it unfair or becuase they lack gun game so they need to find a reason why someone with better gun game is killing them. The Official Sasha Grey of DUST 514 Always taking it deep and hard on my back?!
Vegetation Monster The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 53	Posted - 2013.11.09 20:50:00 - [7] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: Me and castor crave played about 6 matches yesterday. Each one was an absolute pubstomp by the other team. No remorse was shown for us and the blues.....especially because it was the same 2 corps we kept going against. All I have to say is this: I hope my RE blows your face so far into your proto suit that not even a respawn will fix it. my 300 ehp scout gets half-hitted by a duvolle bullet coming from across the map, that's also another problem B Double O T Y
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1521	Posted - 2013.11.09 20:50:00 - [8] - Quote GIZMO2606 wrote: Because other players that don't have proto weapons find it unfair or becuase they lack gun game so they need to find a reason why someone with better gun game is killing them. Says the one who stacks complex damage mods on an AR and pub stomps for fun "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle
Rowdy Railgunner Xer Cloud Consortium 105	Posted - 2013.11.09 20:51:00 - [9] - Quote GIZMO2606 wrote: Because other players that don't have proto weapons find it unfair or becuase they lack gun game so they need to find a reason why someone with better gun game is killing them. Proto is the mask poor players wear.
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1521	Posted - 2013.11.09 20:51:00 - [10] - Quote Vegetation Monster wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: Me and castor crave played about 6 matches yesterday. Each one was an absolute pubstomp by the other team. No remorse was shown for us and the blues.....especially because it was the same 2 corps we kept going against. All I have to say is this: I hope my RE blows your face so far into your proto suit that not even a respawn will fix it. my 300 ehp scout gets half-hitted by a duvolle bullet coming from across the map, that's also another problem I don't bring out any suit over 10k isk if I see an organized squad on the other team.....that leaves me with starter fits, or MLT scout with REs "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle

General John Ripper Rippers Taco Shack 39813	Posted - 2013.11.09 20:52:00 - [11] - Quote nothing is wrong with it. no need to justify yourself. Please don't Tacos Approved
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect 1342	Posted - 2013.11.09 20:52:00 - [12] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: Me and castor crave played about 6 matches yesterday. Each one was an absolute pubstomp by the other team. No remorse was shown for us and the blues.....especially because it was the same 2 corps we kept going against. All I have to say is this: I hope my RE blows your face so far into your proto suit that not even a respawn will fix it. So in other words: my posse gets stomped by yours and l hope l'm lucky enough get a RE kill, not even contemplating killing you with my main. I bet you even get a kick out of taking out a protosuit, -Haha, that dude lost isk because of me, like any of us care about isk.... http://s1286.photobucket.com/user/KingBabar/media/BannerKingbabarcopy.png.html
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR The Kaos Legion 510	Posted - 2013.11.09 20:53:00 - [13] - Quote i dont see a problem with proto suits. they all die the same. How exactly does a Biscuit gain Valor?
Rowdy Railgunner Xer Cloud Consortium 105	Posted - 2013.11.09 20:53:00 - [14] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: Vegetation Monster wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: Me and castor crave played about 6 matches yesterday. Each one was an absolute pubstomp by the other team. No remorse was shown for us and the blues.....especially because it was the same 2 corps we kept going against. All I have to say is this: I hope my RE blows your face so far into your proto suit that not even a respawn will fix it. my 300 ehp scout gets half-hitted by a duvolle bullet coming from across the map, that's also another problem I don't bring out any suit over 10k isk if I see an organized squad on the other team.....that leaves me with starter fits, or MLT scout with REs I use almost exclusively BPO suits. I still get top 3 in 95% of matches.
GIZMO2606 Ancient Exiles 425	Posted - 2013.11.09 20:55:00 - [15] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: GIZMO2606 wrote: Because other players that don't have proto weapons find it unfair or becuase they lack gun game so they need to find a reason why someone with better gun game is killing them. Says the one who stacks complex damage mods on an AR and pub stomps for fun And your point is? The Official Sasha Grey of DUST 514 Always taking it deep and hard on my back?!
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect 1342	Posted - 2013.11.09 20:55:00 - [16] - Quote General John Ripper wrote: nothing is wrong with it. no need to justify yourself. I know, l'm merely bored. http://s1286.photobucket.com/user/KingBabar/media/BannerKingbabarcopy.png.html
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 2048	Posted - 2013.11.09 20:56:00 - [17] - Quote Just bad players looking for an excuse as to why they're bad, once they get their proto gear and continue to be stomped they'll move on to something else. If someone works for their proto gear I see no reason to not run it if they wish, they earned it after all. Same reason I laugh at guys who say no tanks in ambush. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja. Forum Warrior level 2 Fix my scout already
hackerzilla Defenders of the Helghast Dream 462	Posted - 2013.11.09 20:57:00 - [18] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: Me and castor crave played about 6 matches yesterday. Each one was an absolute pubstomp by the other team. No remorse was shown for us and the blues.....especially because it was the same 2 corps we kept going against. All I have to say is this: I hope my RE blows your face so far into your proto suit that not even a respawn will fix it. So in other words: my posse gets stomped by yours and l hope l'm lucky enough get a RE kill, not even contemplating killing you with my main. I bet you even get a kick out of taking out a protosuit, -Haha, that dude lost isk because of me, like any of us care about isk.... Woah, agression towards REs much? I'll just have to take out mine next time I see you on the enemy team "i weel shuut u een duh faise" - some Minnie scout
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1521	Posted - 2013.11.09 20:58:00 - [19] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: Me and castor crave played about 6 matches yesterday. Each one was an absolute pubstomp by the other team. No remorse was shown for us and the blues.....especially because it was the same 2 corps we kept going against. All I have to say is this: I hope my RE blows your face so far into your proto suit that not even a respawn will fix it. So in other words: my posse gets stomped by yours and l hope l'm lucky enough get a RE kill, not even contemplating killing you with my main. I bet you even get a kick out of taking out a protosuit, -Haha, that dude lost isk because of me, like any of us care about isk.... I do get a kick out of it because big bad proto bear can't handle little MLT scout with a shotty........I can't count the number of prot bears who have fallen to my MLT scout "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1522	Posted - 2013.11.09 20:59:00 - [20] - Quote GIZMO2606 wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: GIZMO2606 wrote: Because other players that don't have proto weapons find it unfair or becuase they lack gun game so they need to find a reason why someone with better gun game is killing them. Says the one who stacks complex damage mods on an AR and pub stomps for fun And your point is? You need damage mods to get a kill. Whatever happened to tactics and good gun game, I do fine without Dmg mods and personally, I see no difference with or without them. Aim for the face and you don't need them. "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle

Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 2320	Posted - 2013.11.09 20:59:00 - [21] - Quote Straight up proto gear makes you weak as a player, if you want to do just ok and let the gear carry you thats fine but if you want to be outstanding youll spend more time in a starter fit working on your playing ability and not your characters abilities so when you do put that proto gear on for something semi important like a PC match youll wreck instead of being one of those guys crying how the TTK is to low I mean you do know thats where the majority of the crying about it coming from right, proto scrubs freaking out their gear isnt carrying them as much as it used to, they had the gear with the huge advantage and they got complacent so now that hit detection is better thus lessening the importance of their buffer they flock to the board saying its a problem in the system Im not drunk, the planet just happens to be especially wobbly today.
A'Real Fury D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 430	Posted - 2013.11.09 21:00:00 - [22] - Quote Nothing wrong with proto suits/gear but there is an issue with matchmaking.
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1522	Posted - 2013.11.09 21:02:00 - [23] - Quote A'Real Fury wrote: Nothing wrong with proto suits/gear but there is an issue with matchmaking. ^ THIS!!!! NOTHING IS WORSE THAN BEING THROWN A BLUEBERRY TEAM AND BEING PUT AGAINST 2 CORP SQUADS THAT ARE CORP FUNDED PROTO STOMPERS!!!!!! /rant "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle
GIZMO2606 Ancient Exiles 425	Posted - 2013.11.09 21:04:00 - [24] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: GIZMO2606 wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: GIZMO2606 wrote: Because other players that don't have proto weapons find it unfair or becuase they lack gun game so they need to find a reason why someone with better gun game is killing them. Says the one who stacks complex damage mods on an AR and pub stomps for fun And your point is? You need damage mods to get a kill. Whatever happened to tactics and good gun game, I do fine without Dmg mods and personally, I see no difference with or without them. Aim for the face and you don't need them. Hmmmm Kinda funny considering that I use Shield Extenders on my suit over damage mods. The Official Sasha Grey of DUST 514 Always taking it deep and hard on my back?!
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1522	Posted - 2013.11.09 21:06:00 - [25] - Quote GIZMO2606 wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: GIZMO2606 wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: GIZMO2606 wrote: Because other players that don't have proto weapons find it unfair or becuase they lack gun game so they need to find a reason why someone with better gun game is killing them. Says the one who stacks complex damage mods on an AR and pub stomps for fun And your point is? You need damage mods to get a kill. Whatever happened to tactics and good gun game, I do fine without Dmg mods and personally, I see no difference with or without them. Aim for the face and you don't need them. Hmmmm Kinda funny considering that I use Shield Extenders on my suit over damage mods. Hmmmm I find that hard to believe since 99% of AE are callogis "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle
GIZMO2606 Ancient Exiles 425	Posted - 2013.11.09 21:12:00 - [26] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: Hmmmm I find that hard to believe since 99% of AE are callogis Lol so 99% of us you say? Gallente Logi and Amarr Heavy, both Proto. Not one skill point into CalLogi and I don't intend to. Even more so not all of us run CalLogi's. Should get your facts right. The Official Sasha Grey of DUST 514 Always taking it deep and hard on my back?!
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect 1342	Posted - 2013.11.09 21:22:00 - [27] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: Straight up proto gear makes you weak as a player, if you want to do just ok and let the gear carry you thats fine but if you want to be outstanding youll spend more time in a starter fit working on your playing ability and not your characters abilities so when you do put that proto gear on for something semi important like a PC match youll wreck instead of being one of those guys crying how the TTK is to low I mean you do know thats where the majority of the crying about it coming from right, proto scrubs freaking out their gear isnt carrying them as much as it used to, they had the gear with the huge advantage and they got complacent so now that hit detection is better thus lessening the importance of their buffer they flock to the board saying its a problem in the system And l guess you're one of many that would have a 10 KDR if you could only be bothered to use protogear? Protogear doesn't make you weak, it makes you smarter due to feeling the loss of an expensive suit.. Anyways +1 I aggree about the last part. We've had more and more QQ from "good players" as hitdetection has improved. Fast reflexes, good aim and situational awareness have never been more important in Dust than right now. They're all qualities important for a good player in every FPS, in a way, the current TTK is a good meassure of player skill, having a hard time these days? I suspect you aren't that good, you're merely used to a now diminnished advantage in terms of dps/ehp. http://s1286.photobucket.com/user/KingBabar/media/BannerKingbabarcopy.png.html
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 2321	Posted - 2013.11.09 21:29:00 - [28] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Delta 749 wrote: Straight up proto gear makes you weak as a player, if you want to do just ok and let the gear carry you thats fine but if you want to be outstanding youll spend more time in a starter fit working on your playing ability and not your characters abilities so when you do put that proto gear on for something semi important like a PC match youll wreck instead of being one of those guys crying how the TTK is to low I mean you do know thats where the majority of the crying about it coming from right, proto scrubs freaking out their gear isnt carrying them as much as it used to, they had the gear with the huge advantage and they got complacent so now that hit detection is better thus lessening the importance of their buffer they flock to the board saying its a problem in the system And l guess you're one of many that would have a 10 KDR if you could only be bothered to use protogear? Protogear doesn't make you weak, it makes you smarter due to feeling the loss of an expensive suit.. Anyways +1 I aggree about the last part. We've had more and more QQ from "good players" as hitdetection has improved. Fast reflexes, good aim and situational awareness have never been more important in Dust than right now. They're all qualities important for a good player in every FPS, in a way, the current TTK is a good meassure of player skill, having a hard time these days? I suspect you aren't that good, you're merely used to a now diminnished advantage in terms of dps/ehp. Nope, Ive been around long enough that I have proto gear but choose not to use it the majority of the time and like many others Ive also been around long enough that I have piles of ISK sitting around so theres really no loss felt I mean lets say I do die 10 times or something in a proto fitting, what does it matter if I have 200+ more of them and hundreds of millions of ISK in my wallet Now I dont know how much ISK you have or how long youve had proto stuff available so the economic loss probably does affect you differently than it does others making you more careful but for the majority of people I think using it are in the same situation I am were its just a few drops in the bucket Im not drunk, the planet just happens to be especially wobbly today.
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1525	Posted - 2013.11.09 21:35:00 - [29] - Quote GIZMO2606 wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: Hmmmm I find that hard to believe since 99% of AE are callogis Lol so 99% of us you say? Gallente Logi and Amarr Heavy, both Proto. Not one skill point into CalLogi and I don't intend to. Even more so not all of us run CalLogi's. Should get your facts right. Gallente logi is the perfect suit for Dmg mod stacking so I find it hard to believe your putting more than 1 shield extender. Amarr heavy.....I believe that one cause heavies are gimped pretty bad. All the AE players I've been against have been rocking callogis and cal assaults so you should get your facts before you start making conclusions. "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle
GIZMO2606 Ancient Exiles 425	Posted - 2013.11.09 21:42:00 - [30] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: GIZMO2606 wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: Hmmmm I find that hard to believe since 99% of AE are callogis Lol so 99% of us you say? Gallente Logi and Amarr Heavy, both Proto. Not one skill point into CalLogi and I don't intend to. Even more so not all of us run CalLogi's. Should get your facts right. Gallente logi is the perfect suit for Dmg mod stacking so I find it hard to believe your putting more than 1 shield extender. Amarr heavy.....I believe that one cause heavies are gimped pretty bad. All the AE players I've been against have been rocking callogis and cal assaults so you should get your facts before you start making conclusions. Believe what you will but I have no taste for using damage mods. Yeah some of AE uses CalLgoi's, that holds true but still doesn't add up to the 99% of us using it. So in remark to the "Get your facts before you start making conclusions" statement, you might want to do that first yourself. The Official Sasha Grey of DUST 514 Always taking it deep and hard on my back?!

Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1163	Posted - 2013.11.09 21:42:00 - [31] - Quote KingBabar wrote: What am l supposed to do? - Not play with my friends and corpmates? (Playing Dust solo for 5 hrs will make the game way too boring) - Not use the finelly tweaked suit l've spent 8 months perfecting? - Not maximizing my potential on the battlefield, by extension doing all l can to secure a win for my team? - What do you want me to do? And for the record, l normally run a "cheap" protosuit setup that costs 107.775 isk and the isk just keeps piling up. As long as my wallet keeps growing, what possible reason is there for me to not use a proto suit in every single battle? I've even deleted my ONE roughly 50k enhanced suit. My theory is that the guys complaining about it simply can't afford it. And don't give me the "need a challenge" BS, playing agressively enough to rack up the kills without dying more than max twice on average is challanging enough..... I'm tired of the constant QQ messages, especially after downing someone many times with an enh weapon with no mods. Besides, playing mostly EU ambush l do meet lots of other proto squads from gac, wtf, various russians and others. I think youre doing exactly what you should be doing... its CCP's responsibility to balance this game, not yours... insert witty or profound statement here _______.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 791	Posted - 2013.11.09 21:44:00 - [32] - Quote I don't necessarily have a problem with people in PRO gear. The main issue is the new player who get stomped 10 times in a row and decide to quit. A new player has a .00000001% chance of doing well, and why would someone want to play a game when they can't last more than 30 seconds without dying? Answer is: They won't. I wish I could afford to run PRO gear though. But at prof 5 on my MDs I don't need to There there Mr. Scout and Ms. Heavy, don't cry You'll still be useful in my eyes
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect 1342	Posted - 2013.11.09 21:48:00 - [33] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: KingBabar wrote: Delta 749 wrote: Straight up proto gear makes you weak as a player, if you want to do just ok and let the gear carry you thats fine but if you want to be outstanding youll spend more time in a starter fit working on your playing ability and not your characters abilities so when you do put that proto gear on for something semi important like a PC match youll wreck instead of being one of those guys crying how the TTK is to low I mean you do know thats where the majority of the crying about it coming from right, proto scrubs freaking out their gear isnt carrying them as much as it used to, they had the gear with the huge advantage and they got complacent so now that hit detection is better thus lessening the importance of their buffer they flock to the board saying its a problem in the system And l guess you're one of many that would have a 10 KDR if you could only be bothered to use protogear? Protogear doesn't make you weak, it makes you smarter due to feeling the loss of an expensive suit.. Anyways +1 I aggree about the last part. We've had more and more QQ from "good players" as hitdetection has improved. Fast reflexes, good aim and situational awareness have never been more important in Dust than right now. They're all qualities important for a good player in every FPS, in a way, the current TTK is a good meassure of player skill, having a hard time these days? I suspect you aren't that good, you're merely used to a now diminnished advantage in terms of dps/ehp. Nope, Ive been around long enough that I have proto gear but choose not to use it the majority of the time and like many others Ive also been around long enough that I have piles of ISK sitting around so theres really no loss felt I mean lets say I do die 10 times or something in a proto fitting, what does it matter if I have 200+ more of them and hundreds of millions of ISK in my wallet Now I dont know how much ISK you have or how long youve had proto stuff available so the economic loss probably does affect you differently than it does others making you more careful but for the majority of people I think using it are in the same situation I am were its just a few drops in the bucket I currently have, well several hundreds of million isk too. The sense of loss comes more from general principles of wanting to go positive rather than any practical consern. And for the record,, l'm more aggressive than most, my squad is mostly far behind me. That is where the challenge is, how aggressively can l push and still make it out alive? http://s1286.photobucket.com/user/KingBabar/media/BannerKingbabarcopy.png.html
Smooth Assassin Stardust incorporation 342	Posted - 2013.11.09 21:51:00 - [34] - Quote This guy... i've seen him with his corp murdering people. EDIT: Besides if you're pub stomping you're making it worse for you're team by not sharing kills. *Assassination is my thing.*
Thor McStrut Reckoners 359	Posted - 2013.11.09 21:53:00 - [35] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: A'Real Fury wrote: Nothing wrong with proto suits/gear but there is an issue with matchmaking. ^ THIS!!!! NOTHING IS WORSE THAN BEING THROWN A BLUEBERRY TEAM AND BEING PUT AGAINST 2 CORP SQUADS THAT ARE CORP FUNDED PROTO STOMPERS!!!!!! /rant Honestly, it's not the Proto gear that is ruining the experience. It's the fact that they are running organized squads. Organized squads, working together, will dominate uncoordinated players every time. Now, add in the fact they are using superior gear, and the problems just compound. It's purely a MM problem. If MM isn't working properly due to low player counts, then it will continue to be a major problem. I can't count the number of times I look at the opposing teams, and see at least 6 members from the same corp, and 2 or 3 others from another corp, while my team is filled with mostly starter corps and my team chat says most are unsquaded. I'm not sure what the solution is, but I'm positive it will have to be solved in the MM algorithms.
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 2324	Posted - 2013.11.09 22:00:00 - [36] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Delta 749 wrote: KingBabar wrote: Delta 749 wrote: Straight up proto gear makes you weak as a player, if you want to do just ok and let the gear carry you thats fine but if you want to be outstanding youll spend more time in a starter fit working on your playing ability and not your characters abilities so when you do put that proto gear on for something semi important like a PC match youll wreck instead of being one of those guys crying how the TTK is to low I mean you do know thats where the majority of the crying about it coming from right, proto scrubs freaking out their gear isnt carrying them as much as it used to, they had the gear with the huge advantage and they got complacent so now that hit detection is better thus lessening the importance of their buffer they flock to the board saying its a problem in the system And l guess you're one of many that would have a 10 KDR if you could only be bothered to use protogear? Protogear doesn't make you weak, it makes you smarter due to feeling the loss of an expensive suit.. Anyways +1 I aggree about the last part. We've had more and more QQ from "good players" as hitdetection has improved. Fast reflexes, good aim and situational awareness have never been more important in Dust than right now. They're all qualities important for a good player in every FPS, in a way, the current TTK is a good meassure of player skill, having a hard time these days? I suspect you aren't that good, you're merely used to a now diminnished advantage in terms of dps/ehp. Nope, Ive been around long enough that I have proto gear but choose not to use it the majority of the time and like many others Ive also been around long enough that I have piles of ISK sitting around so theres really no loss felt I mean lets say I do die 10 times or something in a proto fitting, what does it matter if I have 200+ more of them and hundreds of millions of ISK in my wallet Now I dont know how much ISK you have or how long youve had proto stuff available so the economic loss probably does affect you differently than it does others making you more careful but for the majority of people I think using it are in the same situation I am were its just a few drops in the bucket I currently have, well several hundreds of million isk too. The sense of loss comes more from general principles of wanting to go positive rather than any practical consern. And for the record,, l'm more aggressive than most, my squad is mostly far behind me. That is where the challenge is, how aggressively can l push and still make it out alive? Im the same way, when I get going I usually find myself all alone with anyone I was running with way behind me Then I usually get shot in the back by someone who just spawned in cause I over extended Im not drunk, the planet just happens to be especially wobbly today.
Meeko Fent Xer Cloud Consortium 1473	Posted - 2013.11.09 22:01:00 - [37] - Quote Because people running proto gear with twice the HP of a STD set. Because people running proto guns with 75-ish more DPS then a Standard gun. Because people with proto mods get twice as buch benefit opposed to those with STD modules. Is it really that hard to just start rocking standard gear instead of proto? For the State! For Caldari FW join Caldari Hierarchy
Meeko Fent Xer Cloud Consortium 1473	Posted - 2013.11.09 22:03:00 - [38] - Quote Thor McStrut wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: A'Real Fury wrote: Nothing wrong with proto suits/gear but there is an issue with matchmaking. ^ THIS!!!! NOTHING IS WORSE THAN BEING THROWN A BLUEBERRY TEAM AND BEING PUT AGAINST 2 CORP SQUADS THAT ARE CORP FUNDED PROTO STOMPERS!!!!!! /rant Honestly, it's not the Proto gear that is ruining the experience. It's the fact that they are running organized squads. Organized squads, working together, will dominate uncoordinated players every time. Now, add in the fact they are using superior gear, and the problems just compound. It's purely a MM problem. If MM isn't working properly due to low player counts, then it will continue to be a major problem. I can't count the number of times I look at the opposing teams, and see at least 6 members from the same corp, and 2 or 3 others from another corp, while my team is filled with mostly starter corps and my team chat says most are unsquaded. I'm not sure what the solution is, but I'm positive it will have to be solved in the MM algorithms. FFS this again? Standard Bluedots versus Standard Squadberries Standard Bluedots versus Prototype Squadberries Which is more fair? For the State! For Caldari FW join Caldari Hierarchy
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect 1343	Posted - 2013.11.09 22:09:00 - [39] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: Because people running proto gear with twice the HP of a STD set. Because people running proto guns with 75-ish more DPS then a Standard gun. Because people with proto mods get twice as buch benefit opposed to those with STD modules. Is it really that hard to just start rocking standard gear instead of proto? Is it so hard to start using proto gear instead of standard? The above mentioned points are all natural according to Dust's mechanics, do you really expect fps players too not use our best? We're mostly not Care Bears... http://s1286.photobucket.com/user/KingBabar/media/BannerKingbabarcopy.png.html
Joel II X AHPA 111	Posted - 2013.11.09 22:12:00 - [40] - Quote There's a time and place for everything. Don't use them in pubs. Let the player base grow. my friend quit the game due to proto stomping.

Patrick57 GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 1332	Posted - 2013.11.09 22:12:00 - [41] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: Me and castor crave played about 6 matches yesterday. Each one was an absolute pubstomp by the other team. No remorse was shown for us and the blues.....especially because it was the same 2 corps we kept going against. All I have to say is this: I hope my RE blows your face so far into your proto suit that not even a respawn will fix it. You got stomped by us too :D Sorry lol Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of Congress; but I repeat myself. -Mark Twain :D
Meeko Fent Xer Cloud Consortium 1473	Posted - 2013.11.09 22:53:00 - [42] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Meeko Fent wrote: Because people running proto gear with twice the HP of a STD set. Because people running proto guns with 75-ish more DPS then a Standard gun. Because people with proto mods get twice as buch benefit opposed to those with STD modules. Is it really that hard to just start rocking standard gear instead of proto? Is it so hard to start using proto gear instead of standard? The above mentioned points are all natural according to Dust's mechanics, do you really expect fps players too not use our best? We're mostly not Care Bears... Is it really hard to grind millions of SP when every match is completely and totally onesided? For the State! For Caldari FW join Caldari Hierarchy
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1527	Posted - 2013.11.09 22:55:00 - [43] - Quote GIZMO2606 wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: GIZMO2606 wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: Hmmmm I find that hard to believe since 99% of AE are callogis Lol so 99% of us you say? Gallente Logi and Amarr Heavy, both Proto. Not one skill point into CalLogi and I don't intend to. Even more so not all of us run CalLogi's. Should get your facts right. Gallente logi is the perfect suit for Dmg mod stacking so I find it hard to believe your putting more than 1 shield extender. Amarr heavy.....I believe that one cause heavies are gimped pretty bad. All the AE players I've been against have been rocking callogis and cal assaults so you should get your facts before you start making conclusions. Believe what you will but I have no taste for using damage mods. Yeah some of AE uses CalLgoi's, that holds true but still doesn't add up to the 99% of us using it. So in remark to the "Get your facts before you start making conclusions" statement, you might want to do that first yourself. How about we both agree to disagree? I like that option better cause this argument is going nowhere "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1527	Posted - 2013.11.09 23:13:00 - [44] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: Me and castor crave played about 6 matches yesterday. Each one was an absolute pubstomp by the other team. No remorse was shown for us and the blues.....especially because it was the same 2 corps we kept going against. All I have to say is this: I hope my RE blows your face so far into your proto suit that not even a respawn will fix it. You got stomped by us too :D Sorry lol Haha that was funny though cause I was actually in a somewhat full squad "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle
Mr Machine Guns Nyain San Proficiency V. 107	Posted - 2013.11.09 23:17:00 - [45] - Quote If you do not like getting proto stomp you can do many things one leave the battle, two snipe, three stay together in a wolf pack a proto player can't take on 6 players at once. Plus when you go against proto players you make more isk
Kahn Zo Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 68	Posted - 2013.11.09 23:19:00 - [46] - Quote jenza aranda wrote: to be honest i dont understand the tear either. My guess is that its simply butthurt people being buthurt. Give it no mind. Ha! A new one! Butthurtberry TY. Pure Gallente
Patrick57 GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 1333	Posted - 2013.11.09 23:19:00 - [47] - Quote Mr Machine Guns wrote: If you do not like getting proto stomp you can do many things one leave the battle, two snipe, three stay together in a wolf pack a proto player can't take on 6 players at once. Plus when you go against proto players you make more isk Said someone from Nyain San. Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of Congress; but I repeat myself. -Mark Twain :D
Mr Machine Guns Nyain San Proficiency V. 107	Posted - 2013.11.09 23:24:00 - [48] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: If you do not like getting proto stomp you can do many things one leave the battle, two snipe, three stay together in a wolf pack a proto player can't take on 6 players at once. Plus when you go against proto players you make more isk Said someone from Nyain San. here we go Nyain San hate will start now
Kazeno Rannaa BIG BAD W0LVES 306	Posted - 2013.11.09 23:28:00 - [49] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: Me and castor crave played about 6 matches yesterday. Each one was an absolute pubstomp by the other team. No remorse was shown for us and the blues.....especially because it was the same 2 corps we kept going against. All I have to say is this: I hope my RE blows your face so far into your proto suit that not even a respawn will fix it. So in other words: my posse gets stomped by yours and l hope l'm lucky enough get a RE kill, not even contemplating killing you with my main. I bet you even get a kick out of taking out a protosuit, -Haha, that dude lost isk because of me, like any of us care about isk.... I see the arrogance is still there mashed right next to the righteousness. Some people never change from that time that they were 8yo. People are not nearly as complex as they think themselves to be. The same boring posts from the same one to maybe two dimensional players. Joy
Kazeno Rannaa BIG BAD W0LVES 306	Posted - 2013.11.09 23:37:00 - [50] - Quote Mr Machine Guns wrote: If you do not like getting proto stomp you can do many things one leave the battle, two snipe, three stay together in a wolf pack a proto player can't take on 6 players at once. Plus when you go against proto players you make more isk Actually, you donGÇÖt really. That is making more ISK playing against proto-players. The break down of the payout is not but the equipment lost on the battle field, but on the relative standing each player has against all the others on the side that they were on. Winners get a larger share of the pot, with those higher up on the score board earning a larger portion of the lionGÇÖs share. And as for 1 proto not being able to take on 6 at once, well, with what I have seen since 1.6 has hit us, the SCR seems to be especially deadly and I have watched squads of veteran players get decimated by a single proto player. This I attribute not to better gun game on the part of our opponent, nor do I really attribute it to poor performance on our part. The fixes given over for hit detection has caused some noticeable issues with the consistency of hit detection, relative body location in relation to the hits (i.e., being behind cover), and to how much damage is being translated from shooter to target (i.e., I have taken over a 1000pts on damage from an Adv. SCR in less than 5 shots; Even with head shots and the charged shot, it is damn near statistically impossible, yet it has happened). So once again this looks to be a situation where the fixes implemented, since they are not part of a complete sweep, fix their intended issues (kind of) while reeking havoc on a number of other systems that were working fine. Soon the PS4 will be in my hands. With that, this game will be away from my mind.

Kazeno Rannaa BIG BAD W0LVES 306	Posted - 2013.11.09 23:39:00 - [51] - Quote Mr Machine Guns wrote: Patrick57 wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: If you do not like getting proto stomp you can do many things one leave the battle, two snipe, three stay together in a wolf pack a proto player can't take on 6 players at once. Plus when you go against proto players you make more isk Said someone from Nyain San. here we go Nyain San hate will start now Yes, the leggiest bunch of proto-stomping twits I have ever had the displeasure of ever playing against.
Mr Machine Guns Nyain San Proficiency V. 107	Posted - 2013.11.09 23:40:00 - [52] - Quote Kazeno Rannaa wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: Patrick57 wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: If you do not like getting proto stomp you can do many things one leave the battle, two snipe, three stay together in a wolf pack a proto player can't take on 6 players at once. Plus when you go against proto players you make more isk Said someone from Nyain San. here we go Nyain San hate will start now Yes, the leggiest bunch of proto-stomping twits I have ever had the displeasure of ever playing against. its funny because the people from NS you play against are probably are american players
Cosgar ParagonX 7543	Posted - 2013.11.09 23:49:00 - [53] - Quote Unless you're using some kind of exploit, use what you want, play how you want, and collect tears along the way. People are going to be butt hurt regardless of what you do or don't do. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Vrain Matari ZionTCD Public Disorder. 1200	Posted - 2013.11.10 00:00:00 - [54] - Quote KingBabar wrote: What am l supposed to do? - Not play with my friends and corpmates? (Playing Dust solo for 5 hrs will make the game way too boring) - Not use the finelly tweaked suit l've spent 8 months perfecting? - Not maximizing my potential on the battlefield, by extension doing all l can to secure a win for my team? - What do you want me to do? And for the record, l normally run a "cheap" protosuit setup that costs 107.775 isk and the isk just keeps piling up. As long as my wallet keeps growing, what possible reason is there for me to not use a proto suit in every single battle? I've even deleted my ONE roughly 50k enhanced suit. My theory is that the guys complaining about it simply can't afford it. And don't give me the "need a challenge" BS, playing agressively enough to rack up the kills without dying more than max twice on average is challanging enough..... I'm tired of the constant QQ messages, especially after downing someone many times with an enh weapon with no mods. Besides, playing mostly EU ambush l do meet lots of other proto squads from gac, wtf, various russians and others. Absolutely nothing is wrong with using proto. Also nothing wrong with using qsynced elite PC protosquads. And absolutely nothing is wrong with using all the techniques and tools at hand to ruthlessly dominate the opposition into a failure so complete that they just suicide to get it over with. Hopefully you can put them in a position where they choose not to fight at all and just let you take what you want. This is war after all. More power to you, i sez. This is not a player-generated problem. It's a CCP game design problem. And it's a hard problem. Because of the universal market, because of the vast stratification in wealth, because of the confined pressure-cooker lobby match structure of DUST, because of what customizable player-generated contracts will mean, because of the resource geopolitics built right into the game the problems we see in DUST today are SWEET F'K ALL compared to what is coming. It won't be a case of protostomping, it'll be a case of officerstomping with environmental bonuses and supercap fleet support. It'll be a case of calling down proto installations and fielding multiple warbarges. If players have any responsibilities in this at all it would be to keep offering suggestions and insights to CCP.
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1530	Posted - 2013.11.10 00:00:00 - [55] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: If you do not like getting proto stomp you can do many things one leave the battle, two snipe, three stay together in a wolf pack a proto player can't take on 6 players at once. Plus when you go against proto players you make more isk Said someone from Nyain San. Well said :P "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle
Mr Machine Guns Nyain San Proficiency V. 107	Posted - 2013.11.10 00:02:00 - [56] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: Patrick57 wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: If you do not like getting proto stomp you can do many things one leave the battle, two snipe, three stay together in a wolf pack a proto player can't take on 6 players at once. Plus when you go against proto players you make more isk Said someone from Nyain San. Well said :P im not going to stay here and listen to a guy from a corp that no big corps want to attack because they do not want to look bad attacking a training corp
Avallo Kantor Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 216	Posted - 2013.11.10 00:03:00 - [57] - Quote For me the problem isn't so much that people -can- run protosuits in matches (which I have no problem with) but that I feel the original intent of Prototype tier is being lost from what was originally told to us. I remember (I've followed the news about this game long before I got a PS3 to play it) when the Devs more or less stated that Proto gear was meant to be that extra edge for very important matches, something that is very expensive, and an almost guaranteed profit-loss even with a few losses. It was supposed to be only for critical moments, and PC, where very important things were on the line. Instead we see Proto-level gear being used in all cases because the price is not inhibitive compared to player wealth. In many cases, this reminds me of CCP's original vision for titans, which they originally intended to be so rare that there would only be a handful in the game at a time. In both cases however they underestimated player determination and wealth, and in both cases both were able to become prolific. In this light, my problem is not with those who use it constantly (because if you can afford / use an advantage, you should) but with the general concept that this stuff should have been the super-expensive suits only broken out when the stakes where extremely high. Perhaps this will change once the player market, and player manufacturing comes out, but at current it seems it will be Officer gear that fulfills that "Clutch moment" power up instead of Proto.
Mordecai Sanguine What The French 121	Posted - 2013.11.10 00:11:00 - [58] - Quote Protostomp is just an excuse from players that didn't already unlock Proto-Level. Proto is not that much more powerful than ADV-Tier. A "New" Proto player is less powerful than an "Old" proto wearing ADV. The only thing that make you think that Proto can just stomp you so easily is his Passive skills and how the suit is fitted. And when a Logi is using his Proto equipement to save your ass we don't hear you complain... weird huh ? Anyway people that complain if you were using proto stuff you'll know that we're not so hard to kill and right know we never died so fast. Proto is not only advantages it has also a LOOOOOT of drawbacks : 1- The Cost : OMGGGGG. Example : Standard weapons : 1000-2000ISK. Advanced : 7000-8000 Proto : 49000-50000. You see ? that's f*cking expensive and right know the DPS is sooo high that it's like you're wearing Gold paper.... Proto suit mean : Complex mods and complex equipement that mean MOAR ISK 2-More focused : When you're wearing proto suit be sure that you will always be targeted by at least 3 ennemies at the same time. If you are with allies be sure you'll be the one that will take bullets in the head 3-Time to unlock : To unlock something protos you need at least 1 month => 4-5 months for suits. 4-Addiction : When you start playing proto it's hard to stop even if you lose ISK. Just because...Nah power of proto. Ok i know being Pubstomped by a squad of Full-Proto is annoying. (Ps : Don't blame me because in Pub is play really often in ADV so...). But in fact they play in squad. They could be ADV or STD this squad that protostomp you could advstomp you not because they are proto but because they are a SQUAD. => Proto prices are really high. People lose ISK but keep playing proto. Dunno why (or how) but they do. Start thinking how they do that.
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Cult of War 956	Posted - 2013.11.10 00:16:00 - [59] - Quote The harder they fall, the larger the pay. If you can't afford proto go out and kill proto you will get large payouts. For the Empire! Well fuck me i can say fuck in my sig, who knew?
Patrick57 GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 1337	Posted - 2013.11.10 04:08:00 - [60] - Quote Mr Machine Guns wrote: Patrick57 wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: If you do not like getting proto stomp you can do many things one leave the battle, two snipe, three stay together in a wolf pack a proto player can't take on 6 players at once. Plus when you go against proto players you make more isk Said someone from Nyain San. here we go Nyain San hate will start now I was just saying that because you guys are tough enemies. Too tough :( I don't hate your corp, I hate getting stomped by your corp. Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of Congress; but I repeat myself. -Mark Twain :D

John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 342	Posted - 2013.11.10 05:28:00 - [61] - Quote It's been said before, but the problem is not using proto gear. I use ADV gear in pubs, only recently unlocked proto but don't plan to use it in pubs for the most part (don't want to be a hypocrite, lol). The problem is partly matchmaking, but, I'm not sure how much that can be fixed with the smaller player base. That's the problem, it hurts the experience: - I came really close to quitting the game myself several times because I got so crushed early on but the potential of the game did and still keeps me here. A lot of people don't feel that way and leave. Yes, squads are OP too, and I know that your GEK with prof 5 is way better than someone's with prof 0 and no complex dmg mod, but it at least gives someone a sporting chance, unlike the insta-kill from a duvolle at the games render distance. That's just disheartening to a newer player. - Secondly, it just isn't FUN. Lopsided matches are boring as hell, the only nice thing about being on the winning side is you don't lose a lot of suits. That's the one argument I think everyone should at least consider. Personally, I think the best way to do it is to make a mode where you can't use anything over a certain meta level, even out the playing field slightly, give noobs a place to hide and everyone else a place to try out new stuff. In the meantime, what's so hard about using ADV suits in pubs and saving protos for FW and PC? Templar'd for her pleasure Amarr victor!
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 342	Posted - 2013.11.10 05:40:00 - [62] - Quote Mr Machine Guns wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: Patrick57 wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: If you do not like getting proto stomp you can do many things one leave the battle, two snipe, three stay together in a wolf pack a proto player can't take on 6 players at once. Plus when you go against proto players you make more isk Said someone from Nyain San. Well said :P im not going to stay here and listen to a guy from a corp that no big corps want to attack because they do not want to look bad attacking a training corp Then leave, just like we do when we see your fcktard nade spamming triple-HAV pubstomp squads on the board. What you sadly don't realize is that what you said totally proves everything people say and think about your corp. You basically just said "we are a bunch of e-peen stroking d-bags who would honestly love to go beat up on a bunch of new players but don't only because it would be bad for our image." You shouldn't want or need to do it because it's childish, stupid, and bad for the game not because it makes you look bad, a$$. Templar'd for her pleasure Amarr victor!
Thorgen Barr Bragian Order Amarr Empire 38	Posted - 2013.11.10 06:05:00 - [63] - Quote KingBabar wrote: What am l supposed to do? - Not play with my friends and corpmates? (Playing Dust solo for 5 hrs will make the game way too boring) - Not use the finelly tweaked suit l've spent 8 months perfecting? - Not maximizing my potential on the battlefield, by extension doing all l can to secure a win for my team? - What do you want me to do? And for the record, l normally run a "cheap" protosuit setup that costs 107.775 isk and the isk just keeps piling up. As long as my wallet keeps growing, what possible reason is there for me to not use a proto suit in every single battle? I've even deleted my ONE roughly 50k enhanced suit. My theory is that the guys complaining about it simply can't afford it. And don't give me the "need a challenge" BS, playing agressively enough to rack up the kills without dying more than max twice on average is challanging enough..... I'm tired of the constant QQ messages, especially after downing someone many times with an enh weapon with no mods. Besides, playing mostly EU ambush l do meet lots of other proto squads from gac, wtf, various russians and others. Go play FW You run in a full protosquad .. in .. Ambush ... seriously ?? Look we all know the system is flawed, if you always went up against those other protosquads and had no new players to improve your stats you;d be whinging and whining about dying more, the simple fact is you run Ambush in a proto suit with other people in protosuits in a squad to go around ganking and killing new players ... The people complaining and sending you hatemail will always be the guys new to the game who have 1m sp that you are killing over and over and over again .. you have no gun game and need the 600hp and huge damage advantage to kill the guys rolling in militia and you're deluded if you actually think any different Your a ganker, you don't have the skill to be anything else
Thorgen Barr Bragian Order Amarr Empire 38	Posted - 2013.11.10 06:13:00 - [64] - Quote Mr Machine Guns wrote: If you do not like getting proto stomp you can do many things one leave the battle, two snipe, three stay together in a wolf pack a proto player can't take on 6 players at once. Plus when you go against proto players you make more isk Or do what most people seem to do and just uninstall DUST and play something else Seriously the only solution to avoiding protostomping is to not play the game ... DUST 514 alienates 99% of potential new players and 50% of the middle ground players and on a game with a playerbase as small as DUST's they simply cannot afford to do that I want this game to succeed and if protostomping in pubgames isn't fixed ASAP or a gamemode comes in where you can't protostomp then we can kiss goodbye to DUST 514 on the PS4
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect 1354	Posted - 2013.11.10 12:24:00 - [65] - Quote Thorgen Barr wrote: KingBabar wrote: What am l supposed to do? - Not play with my friends and corpmates? (Playing Dust solo for 5 hrs will make the game way too boring) - Not use the finelly tweaked suit l've spent 8 months perfecting? - Not maximizing my potential on the battlefield, by extension doing all l can to secure a win for my team? - What do you want me to do? And for the record, l normally run a "cheap" protosuit setup that costs 107.775 isk and the isk just keeps piling up. As long as my wallet keeps growing, what possible reason is there for me to not use a proto suit in every single battle? I've even deleted my ONE roughly 50k enhanced suit. My theory is that the guys complaining about it simply can't afford it. And don't give me the "need a challenge" BS, playing agressively enough to rack up the kills without dying more than max twice on average is challanging enough..... I'm tired of the constant QQ messages, especially after downing someone many times with an enh weapon with no mods. Besides, playing mostly EU ambush l do meet lots of other proto squads from gac, wtf, various russians and others. Go play FW You run in a full protosquad .. in .. Ambush ... seriously ?? Look we all know the system is flawed, if you always went up against those other protosquads and had no new players to improve your stats you;d be whinging and whining about dying more, the simple fact is you run Ambush in a proto suit with other people in protosuits in a squad to go around ganking and killing new players ... The people complaining and sending you hatemail will always be the guys new to the game who have 1m sp that you are killing over and over and over again .. you have no gun game and need the 600hp and huge damage advantage to kill the guys rolling in militia and you're deluded if you actually think any different Your a ganker, you don't have the skill to be anything else First off, the competition is normally a lot harder in Ambush than it is in any other game mode. 9 of 10 skrmish battles I play leads to 3 minutes of fighting and 10 minutes of redlining, which is really boring and a much bigger stomp than anything we do in Ambush. People are deluded and think the best players play the so called "tactical" game modes, my experience is very different. Ambush is a game that only focus on killing and staying alive, its natural that it will draw players that like it and want to be good at it. And secondly, you have no idea how my gungame is, Iknow very well at what level I play at. Enough to get invites from the top corps the time I played solo, good enough to get hired for PC over and over again. Just because I prefer a game mode with mostly constant action, doesn't mean anything about my abilities. I can't handle running around on a map hacking a bunch of stuff, its really boring. I've played a great deal of FW lately, and its a complete redline after 3 minutes most of the time. The average "tactical game mode" player base simply doesn't have the gungame for it. Bring back skirmish 1.0 or any sort of capture the flag game mode and I'll probably never play ambush again.... http://s1286.photobucket.com/user/KingBabar/media/BannerKingbabarcopy.png.html
Kasote Denzara A Vulture 727	Posted - 2013.11.10 13:36:00 - [66] - Quote Rowdy Railgunner wrote: Proto is the mask poor players wear. Holy ****. I just found my favorite quote from the Dust 514 forums. Plus 1, sir. If you think Plasma Rifles take skill to use and are fine as they are, you are the problem.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1369	Posted - 2013.11.10 13:41:00 - [67] - Quote KingBabar wrote: What am l supposed to do? - Not play with my friends and corpmates? (Playing Dust solo for 5 hrs will make the game way too boring) - Not use the finelly tweaked suit l've spent 8 months perfecting? - Not maximizing my potential on the battlefield, by extension doing all l can to secure a win for my team? - What do you want me to do? And for the record, l normally run a "cheap" protosuit setup that costs 107.775 isk and the isk just keeps piling up. As long as my wallet keeps growing, what possible reason is there for me to not use a proto suit in every single battle? I've even deleted my ONE roughly 50k enhanced suit. My theory is that the guys complaining about it simply can't afford it. And don't give me the "need a challenge" BS, playing agressively enough to rack up the kills without dying more than max twice on average is challanging enough..... I'm tired of the constant QQ messages, especially after downing someone many times with an enh weapon with no mods. Besides, playing mostly EU ambush l do meet lots of other proto squads from gac, wtf, various russians and others. Your supposed to wear your best and stand still out in the open or wear free fits and let newbs own you. You are not allowed to do well, you must go 0\20 and give the worst newbs all your isk. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. Fix PC lag please CCP.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1369	Posted - 2013.11.10 13:45:00 - [68] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: Me and castor crave played about 6 matches yesterday. Each one was an absolute pubstomp by the other team. No remorse was shown for us and the blues.....especially because it was the same 2 corps we kept going against. All I have to say is this: I hope my RE blows your face so far into your proto suit that not even a respawn will fix it. So in other words: my posse gets stomped by yours and l hope l'm lucky enough get a RE kill, not even contemplating killing you with my main. I bet you even get a kick out of taking out a protosuit, -Haha, that dude lost isk because of me, like any of us care about isk.... Those gimps are the worst, they wonder why they do sht when all they do is play to troll on people who have the isk to die 50k times without making any back what so ever. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. Fix PC lag please CCP.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 7480	Posted - 2013.11.10 13:47:00 - [69] - Quote It reminds me of all the ISK I could have saved had I went ground instead of air Fan Fiction \ Broke Dropship Pilot /
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1369	Posted - 2013.11.10 13:49:00 - [70] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Thorgen Barr wrote: KingBabar wrote: What am l supposed to do? - Not play with my friends and corpmates? (Playing Dust solo for 5 hrs will make the game way too boring) - Not use the finelly tweaked suit l've spent 8 months perfecting? - Not maximizing my potential on the battlefield, by extension doing all l can to secure a win for my team? - What do you want me to do? And for the record, l normally run a "cheap" protosuit setup that costs 107.775 isk and the isk just keeps piling up. As long as my wallet keeps growing, what possible reason is there for me to not use a proto suit in every single battle? I've even deleted my ONE roughly 50k enhanced suit. My theory is that the guys complaining about it simply can't afford it. And don't give me the "need a challenge" BS, playing agressively enough to rack up the kills without dying more than max twice on average is challanging enough..... I'm tired of the constant QQ messages, especially after downing someone many times with an enh weapon with no mods. Besides, playing mostly EU ambush l do meet lots of other proto squads from gac, wtf, various russians and others. Go play FW You run in a full protosquad .. in .. Ambush ... seriously ?? Look we all know the system is flawed, if you always went up against those other protosquads and had no new players to improve your stats you;d be whinging and whining about dying more, the simple fact is you run Ambush in a proto suit with other people in protosuits in a squad to go around ganking and killing new players ... The people complaining and sending you hatemail will always be the guys new to the game who have 1m sp that you are killing over and over and over again .. you have no gun game and need the 600hp and huge damage advantage to kill the guys rolling in militia and you're deluded if you actually think any different Your a ganker, you don't have the skill to be anything else First off, the competition is normally a lot harder in Ambush than it is in any other game mode. 9 of 10 skrmish battles I play leads to 3 minutes of fighting and 10 minutes of redlining, which is really boring and a much bigger stomp than anything we do in Ambush. People are deluded and think the best players play the so called "tactical" game modes, my experience is very different. Ambush is a game that only focus on killing and staying alive, its natural that it will draw players that like it and want to be good at it. And secondly, you have no idea how my gungame is, Iknow very well at what level I play at. Enough to get invites from the top corps the time I played solo, good enough to get hired for PC over and over again. Just because I prefer a game mode with mostly constant action, doesn't mean anything about my abilities. I can't handle running around on a map hacking a bunch of stuff, its really boring. I've played a great deal of FW lately, and its a complete redline after 3 minutes most of the time. The average "tactical game mode" player base simply doesn't have the gungame for it. Bring back skirmish 1.0 or any sort of capture the flag game mode and I'll probably never play ambush again.... Caldari and amarr is fotm, people don't realise the real battle happens in space, so everyone had flocked to amarr and caldari thinking it makes any significant impact making fw almost instant red line and completely one sided and as such iv quit it until theres an sp requirement to join. Iv had it with dumb blueys joining fw. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. Fix PC lag please CCP.

TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1369	Posted - 2013.11.10 13:56:00 - [71] - Quote jenza aranda wrote: to be honest i dont understand the tear either. My guess is that its simply butthurt people being buthurt. Give it no mind. Its just conflict between newbs who think its unfair and vets who have earned the right to use that gear that inadvertently leads to newb bashing, its no ones fault, its the wp on academies fault which is someone's fault. Let's all burn them at a stake, but first weigh them against a duck on a set of scales Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. Fix PC lag please CCP.
Kal Kronos L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 99	Posted - 2013.11.10 14:01:00 - [72] - Quote KingBabar wrote: And l guess you're one of many that would have a 10 KDR if you could only be bothered to use protogear? Protogear doesn't make you weak, it makes you smarter due to feeling the loss of an expensive suit.. Anyways +1 I aggree about the last part. We've had more and more QQ from "good players" as hitdetection has improved. Fast reflexes, good aim and situational awareness have never been more important in Dust than right now. They're all qualities important for a good player in every FPS, in a way, the current TTK is a good meassure of player skill, having a hard time these days? I suspect you aren't that good, you're merely used to a now diminnished advantage in terms of dps/ehp. Does the inside of your ass smell as bad as I assume? Spamming scanners does not equal situational awareness, that aspect of the game crawled up your ass with your head and died. These patches just turned the game into COD, a heavy AA twitch shooter that people think they are good at when connection or teams are in their favor. If you want to boast your skill go play LAN tourneys, nothing else reflects skill but keep telling yourself what you want. Dedicated redline sniper, tower forger, nade spammer, protostomper, and mass driver.
DEZKA DIABLO Unkn0wn Killers 24	Posted - 2013.11.10 14:13:00 - [73] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Just bad players looking for an excuse as to why they're bad, once they get their proto gear and continue to be stomped they'll move on to something else. If someone works for their proto gear I see no reason to not run it if they wish, they earned it after all. Same reason I laugh at guys who say no tanks in ambush. Shyiiit proto scouts are mandatory, I put on a blueprint med frame with a Ar an feel like god, lmao can't imagine proto
Lorhak Gannarsein 570	Posted - 2013.11.10 15:42:00 - [74] - Quote I usually just use protostomps as an excuse to chat with my squaddies - although when it's the other team doing the stomping there's more swearing as they can feel their KD/Rs plummet XD Too busy clicking cookies to play DUST...
CharCharOdell 1498	Posted - 2013.11.10 16:03:00 - [75] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: Me and castor crave played about 6 matches yesterday. Each one was an absolute pubstomp by the other team. No remorse was shown for us and the blues.....especially because it was the same 2 corps we kept going against. All I have to say is this: I hope my RE blows your face so far into your proto suit that not even a respawn will fix it. Sounds like Dust University didn't teach you how to deal with proto suits. Don't worry, the LC is busy doing that. ;) Gùñ-é-º+¼+ò+¦GÖÑ+ú+ú+¡ GÖÑ'Ðe+ü+üGùÑ Gùú -ä>-üð+++Ç++§<-¡<-¡ Gùó Speaker of the Mangrove / King of QQ / Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition
Meeko Fent Xer Cloud Consortium 1483	Posted - 2013.11.10 16:04:00 - [76] - Quote Kal Kronos wrote: KingBabar wrote: And l guess you're one of many that would have a 10 KDR if you could only be bothered to use protogear? Protogear doesn't make you weak, it makes you smarter due to feeling the loss of an expensive suit.. Anyways +1 I aggree about the last part. We've had more and more QQ from "good players" as hitdetection has improved. Fast reflexes, good aim and situational awareness have never been more important in Dust than right now. They're all qualities important for a good player in every FPS, in a way, the current TTK is a good meassure of player skill, having a hard time these days? I suspect you aren't that good, you're merely used to a now diminnished advantage in terms of dps/ehp. Does the inside of your ass smell as bad as I assume? Spamming scanners does not equal situational awareness, that aspect of the game crawled up your ass with your head and died. These patches just turned the game into COD, a heavy AA twitch shooter that people think they are good at when connection or teams are in their favor. If you want to boast your skill go play LAN tourneys, nothing else reflects skill but keep telling yourself what you want. COD? Heavy AA? Twitch? Da faq you talking bout Willis? This AA is literally the lightest I've seen in a console game next to Turok, which didn't have any at all. Saying DUST is a twitch is a big lie, comparing it to COD you have a full second of constant fire to react to them. Guess how much in COD. If your a scout, then you always had it bad and you just need severe buffing. If your a med frame then your being complainitive ****, exaggerating the truth If your a heavy, then I don't really have a comeback If your a vehicle user, then why do you care? For the State! For Caldari FW join Caldari Hierarchy*
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1551	Posted - 2013.11.10 16:11:00 - [77] - Quote Mr Machine Guns wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: Patrick57 wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: If you do not like getting proto stomp you can do many things one leave the battle, two snipe, three stay together in a wolf pack a proto player can't take on 6 players at once. Plus when you go against proto players you make more isk Said someone from Nyain San. Well said :P im not going to stay here and listen to a guy from a corp that no big corps want to attack because they do not want to look bad attacking a training corp Then don't, the door is over their ----> Of all the corps that pubstomp whenever I bring a squad of newberries out, you guys (and gals) are the worst. I've had newberries quit the game (like uninstall) during a match against you guys. Every time I go out with the newberries, I always here at least 1 say they want to quit because of the pubstomping. Nyain San has probably accounted for a good 50% of new players leaving. I know enough to pull out starter fits or leave a match when you guys show up. If that's not enough than idk what is. You peoples are corp funded proto stompers wich means you have no care in the world if you die because you'll just get another handout of 2 million isk. What about those of use that actually work for their isk? We value a good suit whereas nyain San just runs out. Gets blown up and just buys 50 more proto suits. Don't even get me started on the nade/MD spam. And the worst part is you guys are cocky about it. I saw a thread a few weaks ago by a nyain San member who was thanking us for wearing starter fits so he could OHK us with his freedom Md. If your half the players in your corp had a heart, you guys wouldn't be the biggest trolls playing this game. Now you may leave. Door is right there ---> [ ~] "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1551	Posted - 2013.11.10 16:12:00 - [78] - Quote CharCharOdell wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: Me and castor crave played about 6 matches yesterday. Each one was an absolute pubstomp by the other team. No remorse was shown for us and the blues.....especially because it was the same 2 corps we kept going against. All I have to say is this: I hope my RE blows your face so far into your proto suit that not even a respawn will fix it. Sounds like Dust University didn't teach you how to deal with proto suits. Don't worry, the LC is busy doing that. ;) Deal with proto suits or corp funded proto stompers and Scotty's bs matchmaking? "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle
Hecarim Van Hohen Unkn0wn Killers 219	Posted - 2013.11.10 16:16:00 - [79] - Quote Nothing is wrong with running proto though it's a bit saddening to be matched against guys way above me in skills (not SP but actual skill) as I'm average at best, but that's just a matchmaking issue. D-í¦¦¦¦i-ó¦¦¦+¦¿¦ºv-ë-£i-ë¦ó¦¦d¦ò-Ç¦íe¦¦-ë-í¦ò-ó ¦ò¦+-üw¦¿¦¦e-ü -ë¦òs¦¢¦+t-Å¦+-£a¦¢-án-¥¦¢-ƒ¦¢d-ü-í-ó¦ó-ó ¦¦u-ÿ-ó¦¦¦+n-ÿ-í¦¦-ü-ëi¦ó-ó-Pt-Å-Åe¦º-Å-Çd-Å-ó -ü-ÿ-ü-íw¦¿-¥-£¦í-ëe¦¦-ÿ-ü -í-ü¦óf-ía¦¢¦+-P¦í-ól-ƒ¦ó
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1551	Posted - 2013.11.10 16:23:00 - [80] - Quote I nave nothing against people who use proto suits. I use proto suits. The thing is people don't use them in moderation. If you guys redlined another team, would you still wear proto and wait at the redline? Or would you become merciful and use adv suits? I would do the latter because I know what it's like to be redlined. We all know what it's like. If you have ever played organized sports (and I seriously hope you have) you'll know what this is like. I know in hockey if my team is winning by 5+ goals! we start to play "safely" and by that I mean this, we just shoot the pick down the ice and chase it, we don't shoot on net, we pass it around. We cycle the puck until the end of the game. Or we switch up the positions. We let the defence play foreward sand the foreward splay defence. This is what should happen during a redline proto stomp. Players should ease of a little, perhaps let the reds get out of the redline for a bit. I'm not asking for you to let them capture the objective or anything, but at least be good about the pibstomp. Don't run into their redline looking for kills. Don't park a tank right outside the redline. Just back up a bit. Don't troll them the whole time. "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle

Mr Machine Guns Nyain San Proficiency V. 108	Posted - 2013.11.10 16:25:00 - [81] - Quote we are not corp funded
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1551	Posted - 2013.11.10 16:26:00 - [82] - Quote Mr Machine Guns wrote: we are not corp funded I call bs cause there was a thread a few weeks ago that said otherwise (by one of your members no less) "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle
Sgt Buttscratch R 0 N 1 N 966	Posted - 2013.11.10 16:28:00 - [83] - Quote Until PC is worthwhile, FW is competitive and fought for a reason, and single corp contracts return I see no issue with people running PROTO in pub matches, they have earned the isk and SP, so why the hell not. Only time I dislike Proto users is when I'm on the wrong end of it in my STD scout set up. I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans
Mr Machine Guns Nyain San Proficiency V. 108	Posted - 2013.11.10 16:29:00 - [84] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: we are not corp funded I call bs cause there was a thread a few weeks ago that said otherwise (by one of your members no less) what he meant was some of us help them out in PC before we joined so when we join they gave us money for helping them out in previous pc and pc after that. A lot of corps give money to players after PC matches BTW most of us don't use the MD most use the AR
Bethhy Ancient Exiles 297	Posted - 2013.11.10 16:32:00 - [85] - Quote GIZMO2606 wrote: Because other players that don't have proto weapons find it unfair or becuase they lack gun game so they need to find a reason why someone with better gun game is killing them. There isn't much gungame left in DUST 514... See enemy... move crosshair to general area.. AA takes over.. move joystick up slightly... headshot. hold fire button .. i win! Whoever can do that first wins. the idea of long gun battles are gone...
snakevenom369 Fenrir's Wolves Zero-Day 3	Posted - 2013.11.10 16:32:00 - [86] - Quote KingBabar wrote: What am l supposed to do? - Not play with my friends and corpmates? (Playing Dust solo for 5 hrs will make the game way too boring) - Not use the finelly tweaked suit l've spent 8 months perfecting? - Not maximizing my potential on the battlefield, by extension doing all l can to secure a win for my team? - What do you want me to do? And for the record, l normally run a "cheap" protosuit setup that costs 107.775 isk and the isk just keeps piling up. As long as my wallet keeps growing, what possible reason is there for me to not use a proto suit in every single battle? I've even deleted my ONE roughly 50k enhanced suit. My theory is that the guys complaining about it simply can't afford it. And don't give me the "need a challenge" BS, playing agressively enough to rack up the kills without dying more than max twice on average is challanging enough..... I'm tired of the constant QQ messages, especially after downing someone many times with an enh weapon with no mods. Besides, playing mostly EU ambush l do meet lots of other proto squads from gac, wtf, various russians and others. while i can see peoples complaints running proto is what makes a challenge for me when i see proto all the time in matches barely anyone runs more than one damage mod for their suits as the sacrifice isnt worth it hell i dont run any on my suit. so no there is no problem with proto in matches if you earned it and tweaked your suits for months then you have every right to run them
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1551	Posted - 2013.11.10 16:32:00 - [87] - Quote Mr Machine Guns wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: we are not corp funded I call bs cause there was a thread a few weeks ago that said otherwise (by one of your members no less) what he meant was some of us help them out in PC before we joined so when we join they gave us money for helping them out in previous pc and pc after that. A lot of corps give money to players after PC matches BTW most of us don't use the MD most use the AR I get the ar thing, it was this one player who made a thread about blowing blues to bits with this MD. And when a player says "I get reimbursed for my losses during battle" it makes me think they are corp funded. If I find the thread I'll link it. "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle
Mr Machine Guns Nyain San Proficiency V. 108	Posted - 2013.11.10 16:34:00 - [88] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: we are not corp funded I call bs cause there was a thread a few weeks ago that said otherwise (by one of your members no less) what he meant was some of us help them out in PC before we joined so when we join they gave us money for helping them out in previous pc and pc after that. A lot of corps give money to players after PC matches BTW most of us don't use the MD most use the AR I get the ar thing, it was this one player who made a thread about blowing blues to bits with this MD. And when a player says "I get reimbursed for my losses during battle" it makes me think they are corp funded. If I find the thread I'll link it. he misspoke he meant to say for PC battles
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1551	Posted - 2013.11.10 16:38:00 - [89] - Quote Mr Machine Guns wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: we are not corp funded I call bs cause there was a thread a few weeks ago that said otherwise (by one of your members no less) what he meant was some of us help them out in PC before we joined so when we join they gave us money for helping them out in previous pc and pc after that. A lot of corps give money to players after PC matches BTW most of us don't use the MD most use the AR I get the ar thing, it was this one player who made a thread about blowing blues to bits with this MD. And when a player says "I get reimbursed for my losses during battle" it makes me think they are corp funded. If I find the thread I'll link it. he misspoke he meant to say for PC battles Ummmm still finding it hard to believe. Their was absolutely no mention about PC. He just kept going on about it. And even if you guys do get reimbursed for PC. Who makes sure you guys are truthful about reimbursement? I think that a lot of you would add an extra 1-2mil to that reimbursement bill. "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle
Mr Machine Guns Nyain San Proficiency V. 108	Posted - 2013.11.10 16:40:00 - [90] - Quote why we would lie?

Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1551	Posted - 2013.11.10 16:41:00 - [91] - Quote Mr Machine Guns wrote: why we would lie? seriously? "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle
Mr Machine Guns Nyain San Proficiency V. 108	Posted - 2013.11.10 16:42:00 - [92] - Quote maybe people in dust university lie but i don't
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1551	Posted - 2013.11.10 16:44:00 - [93] - Quote Mr Machine Guns wrote: yeah I'm not even going to reply. "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle
Mr Machine Guns Nyain San Proficiency V. 108	Posted - 2013.11.10 16:45:00 - [94] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: yeah I'm not even going to reply. you just did and I'm shock your corp doesn't give you iso being that you have your own planet that you guys just farm isk on
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1551	Posted - 2013.11.10 16:47:00 - [95] - Quote Mr Machine Guns wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: yeah I'm not even going to reply. you just did and I'm shock your corp doesn't give you iso being that you have your own planet that you guys just farm isk on Haha no really? We use the isk to set up training matches. "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle
Mortedeamor WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL 696	Posted - 2013.11.10 16:48:00 - [96] - Quote just recorded a video of me running in standard min logi with core nades ran 22/2 used only core nades..thats a problem footage to be uploaded ata later date
Mr Machine Guns Nyain San Proficiency V. 108	Posted - 2013.11.10 16:49:00 - [97] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: yeah I'm not even going to reply. you just did and I'm shock your corp doesn't give you iso being that you have your own planet that you guys just farm isk on Haha no really? We use the isk to set up training matches. thats the biggest joke about you guys yeah you do set up training matches but most people know that you guys just farm isk on your planet plus corp tax of 7% if it were up to me i would move you guys to PFC and give you 2 district and let corps have at your planet
Bethhy Ancient Exiles 298	Posted - 2013.11.10 16:50:00 - [98] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: yeah I'm not even going to reply. you just did and I'm shock your corp doesn't give you iso being that you have your own planet that you guys just farm isk on Haha no really? We use the isk to set up training matches. Is that where DUST uni decides to mass forum propaganda AA being good for DUST, and the Forge gun is working as intended? there are several other propaganda campaign's ran by DUST uni that has hurt this game.
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1552	Posted - 2013.11.10 16:53:00 - [99] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: yeah I'm not even going to reply. you just did and I'm shock your corp doesn't give you iso being that you have your own planet that you guys just farm isk on Haha no really? We use the isk to set up training matches. Is that where DUST uni decides to mass forum propaganda AA being good for DUST, and the Forge gun is working as intended? there are several other propaganda campaign's ran by DUST uni that has hurt this game. Well I'm not part of those. I'm not a director or something so I'm Free to speak my opinion. "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1552	Posted - 2013.11.10 16:58:00 - [100] - Quote Mr Machine Guns wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: yeah I'm not even going to reply. you just did and I'm shock your corp doesn't give you iso being that you have your own planet that you guys just farm isk on Haha no really? We use the isk to set up training matches. thats the biggest joke about you guys yeah you do set up training matches but most people know that you guys just farm isk on your planet plus corp tax of 7% if it were up to me i would move you guys to PFC and give you 2 district and let corps have at your planet I will tell you this. The isk is being saved until we can properly reimburse students (and staff) for the cost of skill books. Teachers get paid for lectures (I think it was 200k/lecture). And teachers also get reimbursed for losses during a 102 class. (However the loss must be attested by a squadmate and it cannot be a loss do to poor piloting (for ships). The loss must be caused by a third party interference (ie on oceana if some corp decides to screw up a 102 class on dropships) "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle

Mr Machine Guns Nyain San Proficiency V. 108	Posted - 2013.11.10 17:05:00 - [101] - Quote so you are corp funded plus eve university makes so much money having dust university having its own planet being able to mine it
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1555	Posted - 2013.11.10 19:20:00 - [102] - Quote Mr Machine Guns wrote: so you are corp funded plus eve university makes so much money having dust university having its own planet being able to mine it If I was corp funded, why do I have 4 mil isk? Why do i have to grind 8 matches to pay for 1 incubus? Eve university is a separate entity from dust university. In PC, we don't get help from eve Uni. We use our own players eve toons. Eve university and dust university are neutral corps and as such they will not assist each other unless needed. Eve Uni won't interfere with us and we won't interfere with them. "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle
Mr Machine Guns Nyain San Proficiency V. 108	Posted - 2013.11.10 19:26:00 - [103] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: so you are corp funded plus eve university makes so much money having dust university having its own planet being able to mine it If I was corp funded, why do I have 4 mil isk? Why do i have to grind 8 matches to pay for 1 incubus? Eve university is a separate entity from dust university. In PC, we don't get help from eve Uni. We use our own players eve toons. Eve university and dust university are neutral corps and as such they will not assist each other unless needed. Eve Uni won't interfere with us and we won't interfere with them. but you guys are in the same alliance what allows them to mine your planet
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1555	Posted - 2013.11.10 19:28:00 - [104] - Quote Mr Machine Guns wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: so you are corp funded plus eve university makes so much money having dust university having its own planet being able to mine it If I was corp funded, why do I have 4 mil isk? Why do i have to grind 8 matches to pay for 1 incubus? Eve university is a separate entity from dust university. In PC, we don't get help from eve Uni. We use our own players eve toons. Eve university and dust university are neutral corps and as such they will not assist each other unless needed. Eve Uni won't interfere with us and we won't interfere with them. but you guys are in the same alliance what allows them to mine your planet They mine our planet? According to who do you base this information off of? I don't play eve so I have no idea how mining works. "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle
Mr Machine Guns Nyain San Proficiency V. 108	Posted - 2013.11.10 19:32:00 - [105] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: so you are corp funded plus eve university makes so much money having dust university having its own planet being able to mine it If I was corp funded, why do I have 4 mil isk? Why do i have to grind 8 matches to pay for 1 incubus? Eve university is a separate entity from dust university. In PC, we don't get help from eve Uni. We use our own players eve toons. Eve university and dust university are neutral corps and as such they will not assist each other unless needed. Eve Uni won't interfere with us and we won't interfere with them. but you guys are in the same alliance what allows them to mine your planet They mine our planet? According to who do you base this information off of? I don't play eve so I have no idea how mining works. its the main reason why eve corps want to dust allies, so when a dust corp gets its own planet the eve corps in the alliance can mine that planet
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 360	Posted - 2013.11.10 19:33:00 - [106] - Quote Mm.. Tacos Templar'd for her pleasure Amarr victor!
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1556	Posted - 2013.11.10 19:36:00 - [107] - Quote Mr Machine Guns wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: so you are corp funded plus eve university makes so much money having dust university having its own planet being able to mine it If I was corp funded, why do I have 4 mil isk? Why do i have to grind 8 matches to pay for 1 incubus? Eve university is a separate entity from dust university. In PC, we don't get help from eve Uni. We use our own players eve toons. Eve university and dust university are neutral corps and as such they will not assist each other unless needed. Eve Uni won't interfere with us and we won't interfere with them. but you guys are in the same alliance what allows them to mine your planet They mine our planet? According to who do you base this information off of? I don't play eve so I have no idea how mining works. its the main reason why eve corps want to dust allies, so when a dust corp gets its own planet the eve corps in the alliance can mine that planet So this is just your speculation? I can aska round if you really want an answer but as far as I'm concerned, eve Uni and duni are completely separate except for alliance and purpose "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1556	Posted - 2013.11.10 19:38:00 - [108] - Quote And we have officially derailed the thread "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 360	Posted - 2013.11.10 19:41:00 - [109] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: And we have officially derailed the thread Lol, u guys did that like 2 pages ago! Templar'd for her pleasure Amarr victor!
Mr Machine Guns Nyain San Proficiency V. 108	Posted - 2013.11.10 19:42:00 - [110] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: And we have officially derailed the thread i don't care if your eve corp mines your planet our corp makes hundreds of millions of isk a day, i just don't think a training corp deserves a whole planet to itself, i would personally give you two district on PFC and let corps that aren't pc training have you district on your planet

Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1556	Posted - 2013.11.10 19:44:00 - [111] - Quote Mr Machine Guns wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: And we have officially derailed the thread i don't care if your eve corp mines your planet our corp makes hundreds of millions of isk a day, i just don't think a training corp deserves a whole planet to itself, i would personally give you two district on PFC and let corps that aren't pc training have you district on your planet Idk how we scored a planet but hey, we got one so end of story "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle
Mr Machine Guns Nyain San Proficiency V. 108	Posted - 2013.11.10 19:44:00 - [112] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: And we have officially derailed the thread i don't care if your eve corp mines your planet our corp makes hundreds of millions of isk a day, i just don't think a training corp deserves a whole planet to itself, i would personally give you two district on PFC and let corps that aren't pc training have you district on your planet Idk how we scored a planet but hey, we got one so end of story that may change soon red star is attacking everyone
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1556	Posted - 2013.11.10 19:45:00 - [113] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: And we have officially derailed the thread Lol, u guys did that like 2 pages ago! sorry "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1556	Posted - 2013.11.10 19:48:00 - [114] - Quote Mr Machine Guns wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: And we have officially derailed the thread i don't care if your eve corp mines your planet our corp makes hundreds of millions of isk a day, i just don't think a training corp deserves a whole planet to itself, i would personally give you two district on PFC and let corps that aren't pc training have you district on your planet Idk how we scored a planet but hey, we got one so end of story that may change soon red star is attacking everyone Well like you said, would they want to be labelled as a corp that attacks a learning corp? Just sayin "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 926	Posted - 2013.11.10 19:49:00 - [115] - Quote Real tryhards play only in starter fits "Just another piece of duct tape" Equality Event
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1556	Posted - 2013.11.10 19:59:00 - [116] - Quote shaman oga wrote: Real tryhards play only in starter fits ^ he knows what's up "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle
Soldiersaint Deepspace Digital 569	Posted - 2013.11.10 20:01:00 - [117] - Quote They need to just shut up and play. I kill pro suits all the time by camping behind walls. Gun game? that trash is a waste of time. It gets nothing done. Find the playstyle that works best for you and destroy any one in your path. Fair play? Balance? giving a chance? lol its all worthless trash. Welcome to the war zone. Enjoy your stay
Spycrab Potato Hold-Your-Fire 548	Posted - 2013.11.10 20:41:00 - [118] - Quote Sorry, I don't care if you don't like me using proto gear in matches. I worked for it, therefore I will use it. Wait come back! My bumper misses you!
Avallo Kantor Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 218	Posted - 2013.11.10 20:48:00 - [119] - Quote Personally, I'd be a bit happier if DUST and EVE UNIs trained their students in Combined Arms relations and communication, so that players of both sides get valuable experience in communicating with the each game, as well as 101 courses of the other Game so EVE Uni grads have a moderate understanding of Dust, and vice versa. That and some OB coordination training would go along way to helping both games grow closer. After all, if the "new generation" of both Dust and EVE players are comfortable, used to, and familiar with the other game it will only further push along the concept of the games being further unified.
Oswald Rehnquist 511	Posted - 2013.11.10 20:55:00 - [120] - Quote Nothing at all, and I have never had anything past dragonfly socut 1) It means the opposing team gets more money 2) the gap between standard suits and proto suits are small Honestly the militia ar sets + a first sight advantage = dead proto. Also blaming proto is much easier than blaming organized team work which does not generate as much sympathy. Below 28 dB

Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1558	Posted - 2013.11.10 21:46:00 - [121] - Quote Avallo Kantor wrote: Personally, I'd be a bit happier if DUST and EVE UNIs trained their students in Combined Arms relations and communication, so that players of both sides get valuable experience in communicating with the each game, as well as 101 courses of the other Game so EVE Uni grads have a moderate understanding of Dust, and vice versa. That and some OB coordination training would go along way to helping both games grow closer. After all, if the "new generation" of both Dust and EVE players are comfortable, used to, and familiar with the other game it will only further push along the concept of the games being further unified. We do many lectures about virtually any topic (we just don't make them public due to trolls etc). As for combined arms? Could you please elaborate on what you mean. Communication, a large part of our members don't have a mic so it is a little difficult but we have come up with a sort of "sign language" for players that can't talk. I can't speak for the others but when I'm running a squad and we gat an OB, I'll ask if anyone wants to be the one to drop it and if so I make them SL and walk them through how to do it. "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle
Thorgen Barr Bragian Order Amarr Empire 53	Posted - 2013.11.11 02:36:00 - [122] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Thorgen Barr wrote: KingBabar wrote: What am l supposed to do? - Not play with my friends and corpmates? (Playing Dust solo for 5 hrs will make the game way too boring) - Not use the finelly tweaked suit l've spent 8 months perfecting? - Not maximizing my potential on the battlefield, by extension doing all l can to secure a win for my team? - What do you want me to do? And for the record, l normally run a "cheap" protosuit setup that costs 107.775 isk and the isk just keeps piling up. As long as my wallet keeps growing, what possible reason is there for me to not use a proto suit in every single battle? I've even deleted my ONE roughly 50k enhanced suit. My theory is that the guys complaining about it simply can't afford it. And don't give me the "need a challenge" BS, playing agressively enough to rack up the kills without dying more than max twice on average is challanging enough..... I'm tired of the constant QQ messages, especially after downing someone many times with an enh weapon with no mods. Besides, playing mostly EU ambush l do meet lots of other proto squads from gac, wtf, various russians and others. Go play FW You run in a full protosquad .. in .. Ambush ... seriously ?? Look we all know the system is flawed, if you always went up against those other protosquads and had no new players to improve your stats you;d be whinging and whining about dying more, the simple fact is you run Ambush in a proto suit with other people in protosuits in a squad to go around ganking and killing new players ... The people complaining and sending you hatemail will always be the guys new to the game who have 1m sp that you are killing over and over and over again .. you have no gun game and need the 600hp and huge damage advantage to kill the guys rolling in militia and you're deluded if you actually think any different Your a ganker, you don't have the skill to be anything else First off, the competition is normally a lot harder in Ambush than it is in any other game mode. 9 of 10 skrmish battles I play leads to 3 minutes of fighting and 10 minutes of redlining, which is really boring and a much bigger stomp than anything we do in Ambush. People are deluded and think the best players play the so called "tactical" game modes, my experience is very different. Ambush is a game that only focus on killing and staying alive, its natural that it will draw players that like it and want to be good at it. And secondly, you have no idea how my gungame is, Iknow very well at what level I play at. Enough to get invites from the top corps the time I played solo, good enough to get hired for PC over and over again. Just because I prefer a game mode with mostly constant action, doesn't mean anything about my abilities. I can't handle running around on a map hacking a bunch of stuff, its really boring. I've played a great deal of FW lately, and its a complete redline after 3 minutes most of the time. The average "tactical game mode" player base simply doesn't have the gungame for it. Bring back skirmish 1.0 or any sort of capture the flag game mode and I'll probably never play ambush again.... Wave your EPEEN around as much as you like I honestly couldnt careless and I find it funny that you'd even try that as a counter to my points Everything I said in my original posy is spot on, you can deny it all you like (I expected you to deny it) but the real problem is people like you doing these things without even knowing just how bad it is for the game ..
Soldiersaint Deepspace Digital 572	Posted - 2013.11.11 03:16:00 - [123] - Quote What i want to know is this. why the heck does every one care about something as worthless as gun game and skill? It does nothing good for you except making you think you accomplished something when in reality you accomplished nothing. All you people complaining about this stuff need to grow up. Im sure more than half of you are over the age of 20. If you start playing the game and stop caring about worthless stats you will start having fun again. Its just a video game. At any given moment they can just shut the whole thing down. Think about that. all this so called hard work flushed down the toilet in seconds. Just play to play you will have way more fun that way. Trust me i used to care about this stuff way to much. Then i just learned to play and have fun. k/d is not important neither is winning. What matters is did you enjoy the moment good or bad. Cmon you guys your better than this.
Acturus Galaxy Happy Pumpkin 168	Posted - 2013.11.11 08:34:00 - [124] - Quote Thorgen Barr wrote: KingBabar wrote: Thorgen Barr wrote: KingBabar wrote: What am l supposed to do? - Not play with my friends and corpmates? (Playing Dust solo for 5 hrs will make the game way too boring) - Not use the finelly tweaked suit l've spent 8 months perfecting? - Not maximizing my potential on the battlefield, by extension doing all l can to secure a win for my team? - What do you want me to do? And for the record, l normally run a "cheap" protosuit setup that costs 107.775 isk and the isk just keeps piling up. As long as my wallet keeps growing, what possible reason is there for me to not use a proto suit in every single battle? I've even deleted my ONE roughly 50k enhanced suit. My theory is that the guys complaining about it simply can't afford it. And don't give me the "need a challenge" BS, playing agressively enough to rack up the kills without dying more than max twice on average is challanging enough..... I'm tired of the constant QQ messages, especially after downing someone many times with an enh weapon with no mods. Besides, playing mostly EU ambush l do meet lots of other proto squads from gac, wtf, various russians and others. Go play FW You run in a full protosquad .. in .. Ambush ... seriously ?? Look we all know the system is flawed, if you always went up against those other protosquads and had no new players to improve your stats you;d be whinging and whining about dying more, the simple fact is you run Ambush in a proto suit with other people in protosuits in a squad to go around ganking and killing new players ... The people complaining and sending you hatemail will always be the guys new to the game who have 1m sp that you are killing over and over and over again .. you have no gun game and need the 600hp and huge damage advantage to kill the guys rolling in militia and you're deluded if you actually think any different Your a ganker, you don't have the skill to be anything else First off, the competition is normally a lot harder in Ambush than it is in any other game mode. 9 of 10 skrmish battles I play leads to 3 minutes of fighting and 10 minutes of redlining, which is really boring and a much bigger stomp than anything we do in Ambush. People are deluded and think the best players play the so called "tactical" game modes, my experience is very different. Ambush is a game that only focus on killing and staying alive, its natural that it will draw players that like it and want to be good at it. And secondly, you have no idea how my gungame is, Iknow very well at what level I play at. Enough to get invites from the top corps the time I played solo, good enough to get hired for PC over and over again. Just because I prefer a game mode with mostly constant action, doesn't mean anything about my abilities. I can't handle running around on a map hacking a bunch of stuff, its really boring. I've played a great deal of FW lately, and its a complete redline after 3 minutes most of the time. The average "tactical game mode" player base simply doesn't have the gungame for it. Bring back skirmish 1.0 or any sort of capture the flag game mode and I'll probably never play ambush again.... Wave your EPEEN around as much as you like I honestly couldnt careless and I find it funny that you'd even try that as a counter to my points Everything I said in my original post is spot on, you can deny it all you like (I expected you to deny it) but the real problem is people like you doing these things without even knowing just how bad it is for the game .. I would have to say in defense of KingBarbar that I have never seen her backout of a game even if their proto squad are about to loose a match or dies several times unlike some other infamous protobears. I just wish she would stop spamming core locus grenades, those accounts for 90% of me deaths fighting their proto squad, it is just not fun and I try to run away and only engage red dots outside of grenade range.
Ihlgigaris Force of The Gigas 12	Posted - 2013.11.11 08:59:00 - [125] - Quote To be totally honest, I'm one of those people, but I will explain why. It's simple really. Generally we complain about stuff like that because, in the heat of the moment, we get really pissed off at the fact that we aren't at that level yet ourselves. It's frustrating enough to get taken out over and again, but to get mercilessly beaten on the battlefield is even more so. In summary, we get frustrated, but it is a totally legitimate part of the game. Heck, I'm working my way there as well! So even though I'm gonna get pissed, play on as you see fit. If you've taken the time to afford a proto build that rocks, then more power to you!
Matticus Monk Ordus Trismegistus 683	Posted - 2013.11.11 09:10:00 - [126] - Quote Nothing is wrong with it; do what you want and I'll do what I want. Sometimes it's worth getting stomped by a 6 man proto squad (or two) to get a few proto kills and up my skills.... sometimes I just want a more balanced and challenging back and forth match and I've started to leave proto stomps to get them while wearing my standard gear. I hope those that I leave behind are enough of a challenge for you. Probably not, but hey - that's your problem.
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 609	Posted - 2013.11.11 09:12:00 - [127] - Quote If you dont see a problem with protostomping you obviously want this game to die. Scout, Tanker, Dropship Pilot, AV'r Alts - Medrean Delt / Moselder Telend (Pure Innocence) / Mledean Delt (Capsuleer)
Minako Nakajima Vortex State Empire Dark Taboo 29	Posted - 2013.11.11 09:55:00 - [128] - Quote I'm back using MLT DS' because ADV and PRO are too mainstream lol "Looks can kill." // Terminally Insane
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1561	Posted - 2013.11.11 13:06:00 - [129] - Quote I'm already at the proto level, I got 2 proto suits stacked to the gills with modules and equipment, and I got 3 proto weapons to go with them. I choose NOT to use the, because what's the point in running a fitting that will cost an arm and a leg when you are thrown a blueberry team and have 2 corp squads on the other team. If Scotty got his act together this might have never happened. "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 812	Posted - 2013.11.11 13:57:00 - [130] - Quote Acturus Galaxy wrote: I would have to say in defense of KingBarbar that I have never seen her backout of a game even if their proto squad are about to loose a match or dies several times unlike some other infamous protobears. I just wish she would stop spamming core locus grenades, those accounts for 90% of me deaths fighting their proto squad, it is just not fun and I try to run away and only engage red dots outside of grenade range. Sounds like you should check this out: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=118195

Acturus Galaxy Happy Pumpkin 169	Posted - 2013.11.11 14:22:00 - [131] - Quote KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: Acturus Galaxy wrote: I would have to say in defense of KingBarbar that I have never seen her backout of a game even if their proto squad are about to loose a match or dies several times unlike some other infamous protobears. I just wish she would stop spamming core locus grenades, those accounts for 90% of me deaths fighting their proto squad, it is just not fun and I try to run away and only engage red dots outside of grenade range. Sounds like you should check this out: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=118195 Thank you for the reference. I do not really have any personal issues that grenades are thrown in the game, they are part of the game and both teams can use them. You guys are really good and I do not have any counter against your squads other then trying to keep my distance at minimum 100 meters. I was in an ambush with you yesterday that was very equal and fun, I remember it was around 14-14 clones and then core grenades came flying in huge numbers and the 14 clones we had quickly vanished
Jak'Saan 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 86	Posted - 2013.11.11 14:59:00 - [132] - Quote Pub stompers are too funny (funny at them not with them). In our corp we mostly run free to adv suits. We sometimes get butthurt by pub-stomping, but now we have a mental list of pub-stomping corps/names and when we really get sick of it, we will often come in proto for the sole purpose of costing them money. It's laughable how so many pub-stompers brag "gungame" yet are broodingly quiet when someone stomps the stompers. Lately we've even taken to adv-stomping proto-stompers lol. It's a nice feeling when you translate your kills to ISK and you know you cost someone over 3 times the payout of the match.


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