DUST Search - Whats wrong with using proto?

KingBabar wrote:

Delta 749 wrote:

Straight up proto gear makes you weak as a player, if you want to do just ok and let the gear carry you thats fine but if you want to be outstanding youll spend more time in a starter fit working on your playing ability and not your characters abilities so when you do put that proto gear on for something semi important like a PC match youll wreck instead of being one of those guys crying how the TTK is to low

I mean you do know thats where the majority of the crying about it coming from right, proto scrubs freaking out their gear isnt carrying them as much as it used to, they had the gear with the huge advantage and they got complacent so now that hit detection is better thus lessening the importance of their buffer they flock to the board saying its a problem in the system

And l guess you're one of many that would have a 10 KDR if you could only be bothered to use protogear?
Protogear doesn't make you weak, it makes you smarter due to feeling the loss of an expensive suit..

Anyways +1

I aggree about the last part. We've had more and more QQ from "good players" as hitdetection has improved.

Fast reflexes, good aim and situational awareness have never been more important in Dust than right now. They're all qualities important for a good player in every FPS, in a way, the current TTK is a good meassure of player skill, having a hard time these days? I suspect you aren't that good, you're merely used to a now diminnished advantage in terms of dps/ehp.

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KingBabar The Rainbow Effect 1341	Posted - 2013.11.09 20:34:00 - [1] - Quote What am l supposed to do? - Not play with my friends and corpmates? (Playing Dust solo for 5 hrs will make the game way too boring) - Not use the finelly tweaked suit l've spent 8 months perfecting? - Not maximizing my potential on the battlefield, by extension doing all l can to secure a win for my team? - What do you want me to do? And for the record, l normally run a "cheap" protosuit setup that costs 107.775 isk and the isk just keeps piling up. As long as my wallet keeps growing, what possible reason is there for me to not use a proto suit in every single battle? I've even deleted my ONE roughly 50k enhanced suit. My theory is that the guys complaining about it simply can't afford it. And don't give me the "need a challenge" BS, playing agressively enough to rack up the kills without dying more than max twice on average is challanging enough..... I'm tired of the constant QQ messages, especially after downing someone many times with an enh weapon with no mods. Besides, playing mostly EU ambush l do meet lots of other proto squads from gac, wtf, various russians and others. http://s1286.photobucket.com/user/KingBabar/media/BannerKingbabarcopy.png.html
Vegetation Monster The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 51	Posted - 2013.11.09 20:40:00 - [2] - Quote KingBabar wrote: What am l supposed to do? - Not play with my friends and corpmates? (Playing Dust solo for 5 hrs will make the game way too boring) - Not use the finelly tweaked suit l've spent 8 months perfecting? - Not maximizing my potential on the battlefield, by extension doing all l can to secure a win for my team? - What do you want me to do? And for the record, l normally run a "cheap" protosuit setup that costs 107.775 isk and the isk just keeps piling up. As long as my wallet keeps growing, what possible reason is there for me to not use a proto suit in every single battle? I've even deleted my ONE roughly 50k enhanced suit. My theory is that the guys complaining about it simply can't afford it. And don't give me the "need a challenge" BS, playing agressively enough to rack up the kills without dying more than max twice on average is challanging enough..... I'm tired of the constant QQ messages, especially after downing someone many times with an enh weapon with no mods. Besides, playing mostly EU ambush l do meet lots of other proto squads from gac, wtf, various russians and others. pub stomping.. B Double O T Y
jenza aranda BetaMax. 2037	Posted - 2013.11.09 20:43:00 - [3] - Quote to be honest i dont understand the tear either. My guess is that its simply butthurt people being buthurt. Give it no mind. Dust 514 101 // Dust 514 Wiki
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1517	Posted - 2013.11.09 20:44:00 - [4] - Quote Me and castor crave played about 6 matches yesterday. Each one was an absolute pubstomp by the other team. No remorse was shown for us and the blues.....especially because it was the same 2 corps we kept going against. All I have to say is this: I hope my RE blows your face so far into your proto suit that not even a respawn will fix it. "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle
ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals Xer Cloud Consortium 402	Posted - 2013.11.09 20:46:00 - [5] - Quote Pubstomping is the only complaint people have. If Scotty would get of his ass and *do his job*we wouldn't have this problem.
GIZMO2606 Ancient Exiles 425	Posted - 2013.11.09 20:48:00 - [6] - Quote Because other players that don't have proto weapons find it unfair or becuase they lack gun game so they need to find a reason why someone with better gun game is killing them. The Official Sasha Grey of DUST 514 Always taking it deep and hard on my back?!
Vegetation Monster The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 53	Posted - 2013.11.09 20:50:00 - [7] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: Me and castor crave played about 6 matches yesterday. Each one was an absolute pubstomp by the other team. No remorse was shown for us and the blues.....especially because it was the same 2 corps we kept going against. All I have to say is this: I hope my RE blows your face so far into your proto suit that not even a respawn will fix it. my 300 ehp scout gets half-hitted by a duvolle bullet coming from across the map, that's also another problem B Double O T Y
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1521	Posted - 2013.11.09 20:50:00 - [8] - Quote GIZMO2606 wrote: Because other players that don't have proto weapons find it unfair or becuase they lack gun game so they need to find a reason why someone with better gun game is killing them. Says the one who stacks complex damage mods on an AR and pub stomps for fun "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle
Rowdy Railgunner Xer Cloud Consortium 105	Posted - 2013.11.09 20:51:00 - [9] - Quote GIZMO2606 wrote: Because other players that don't have proto weapons find it unfair or becuase they lack gun game so they need to find a reason why someone with better gun game is killing them. Proto is the mask poor players wear.
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1521	Posted - 2013.11.09 20:51:00 - [10] - Quote Vegetation Monster wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: Me and castor crave played about 6 matches yesterday. Each one was an absolute pubstomp by the other team. No remorse was shown for us and the blues.....especially because it was the same 2 corps we kept going against. All I have to say is this: I hope my RE blows your face so far into your proto suit that not even a respawn will fix it. my 300 ehp scout gets half-hitted by a duvolle bullet coming from across the map, that's also another problem I don't bring out any suit over 10k isk if I see an organized squad on the other team.....that leaves me with starter fits, or MLT scout with REs "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle

General John Ripper Rippers Taco Shack 39813	Posted - 2013.11.09 20:52:00 - [11] - Quote nothing is wrong with it. no need to justify yourself. Please don't Tacos Approved
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect 1342	Posted - 2013.11.09 20:52:00 - [12] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: Me and castor crave played about 6 matches yesterday. Each one was an absolute pubstomp by the other team. No remorse was shown for us and the blues.....especially because it was the same 2 corps we kept going against. All I have to say is this: I hope my RE blows your face so far into your proto suit that not even a respawn will fix it. So in other words: my posse gets stomped by yours and l hope l'm lucky enough get a RE kill, not even contemplating killing you with my main. I bet you even get a kick out of taking out a protosuit, -Haha, that dude lost isk because of me, like any of us care about isk.... http://s1286.photobucket.com/user/KingBabar/media/BannerKingbabarcopy.png.html
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR The Kaos Legion 510	Posted - 2013.11.09 20:53:00 - [13] - Quote i dont see a problem with proto suits. they all die the same. How exactly does a Biscuit gain Valor?
Rowdy Railgunner Xer Cloud Consortium 105	Posted - 2013.11.09 20:53:00 - [14] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: Vegetation Monster wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: Me and castor crave played about 6 matches yesterday. Each one was an absolute pubstomp by the other team. No remorse was shown for us and the blues.....especially because it was the same 2 corps we kept going against. All I have to say is this: I hope my RE blows your face so far into your proto suit that not even a respawn will fix it. my 300 ehp scout gets half-hitted by a duvolle bullet coming from across the map, that's also another problem I don't bring out any suit over 10k isk if I see an organized squad on the other team.....that leaves me with starter fits, or MLT scout with REs I use almost exclusively BPO suits. I still get top 3 in 95% of matches.
GIZMO2606 Ancient Exiles 425	Posted - 2013.11.09 20:55:00 - [15] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: GIZMO2606 wrote: Because other players that don't have proto weapons find it unfair or becuase they lack gun game so they need to find a reason why someone with better gun game is killing them. Says the one who stacks complex damage mods on an AR and pub stomps for fun And your point is? The Official Sasha Grey of DUST 514 Always taking it deep and hard on my back?!
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect 1342	Posted - 2013.11.09 20:55:00 - [16] - Quote General John Ripper wrote: nothing is wrong with it. no need to justify yourself. I know, l'm merely bored. http://s1286.photobucket.com/user/KingBabar/media/BannerKingbabarcopy.png.html
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 2048	Posted - 2013.11.09 20:56:00 - [17] - Quote Just bad players looking for an excuse as to why they're bad, once they get their proto gear and continue to be stomped they'll move on to something else. If someone works for their proto gear I see no reason to not run it if they wish, they earned it after all. Same reason I laugh at guys who say no tanks in ambush. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja. Forum Warrior level 2 Fix my scout already
hackerzilla Defenders of the Helghast Dream 462	Posted - 2013.11.09 20:57:00 - [18] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: Me and castor crave played about 6 matches yesterday. Each one was an absolute pubstomp by the other team. No remorse was shown for us and the blues.....especially because it was the same 2 corps we kept going against. All I have to say is this: I hope my RE blows your face so far into your proto suit that not even a respawn will fix it. So in other words: my posse gets stomped by yours and l hope l'm lucky enough get a RE kill, not even contemplating killing you with my main. I bet you even get a kick out of taking out a protosuit, -Haha, that dude lost isk because of me, like any of us care about isk.... Woah, agression towards REs much? I'll just have to take out mine next time I see you on the enemy team "i weel shuut u een duh faise" - some Minnie scout
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1521	Posted - 2013.11.09 20:58:00 - [19] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: Me and castor crave played about 6 matches yesterday. Each one was an absolute pubstomp by the other team. No remorse was shown for us and the blues.....especially because it was the same 2 corps we kept going against. All I have to say is this: I hope my RE blows your face so far into your proto suit that not even a respawn will fix it. So in other words: my posse gets stomped by yours and l hope l'm lucky enough get a RE kill, not even contemplating killing you with my main. I bet you even get a kick out of taking out a protosuit, -Haha, that dude lost isk because of me, like any of us care about isk.... I do get a kick out of it because big bad proto bear can't handle little MLT scout with a shotty........I can't count the number of prot bears who have fallen to my MLT scout "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1522	Posted - 2013.11.09 20:59:00 - [20] - Quote GIZMO2606 wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: GIZMO2606 wrote: Because other players that don't have proto weapons find it unfair or becuase they lack gun game so they need to find a reason why someone with better gun game is killing them. Says the one who stacks complex damage mods on an AR and pub stomps for fun And your point is? You need damage mods to get a kill. Whatever happened to tactics and good gun game, I do fine without Dmg mods and personally, I see no difference with or without them. Aim for the face and you don't need them. "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle

Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 2320	Posted - 2013.11.09 20:59:00 - [21] - Quote Straight up proto gear makes you weak as a player, if you want to do just ok and let the gear carry you thats fine but if you want to be outstanding youll spend more time in a starter fit working on your playing ability and not your characters abilities so when you do put that proto gear on for something semi important like a PC match youll wreck instead of being one of those guys crying how the TTK is to low I mean you do know thats where the majority of the crying about it coming from right, proto scrubs freaking out their gear isnt carrying them as much as it used to, they had the gear with the huge advantage and they got complacent so now that hit detection is better thus lessening the importance of their buffer they flock to the board saying its a problem in the system Im not drunk, the planet just happens to be especially wobbly today.
A'Real Fury D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 430	Posted - 2013.11.09 21:00:00 - [22] - Quote Nothing wrong with proto suits/gear but there is an issue with matchmaking.
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1522	Posted - 2013.11.09 21:02:00 - [23] - Quote A'Real Fury wrote: Nothing wrong with proto suits/gear but there is an issue with matchmaking. ^ THIS!!!! NOTHING IS WORSE THAN BEING THROWN A BLUEBERRY TEAM AND BEING PUT AGAINST 2 CORP SQUADS THAT ARE CORP FUNDED PROTO STOMPERS!!!!!! /rant "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle
GIZMO2606 Ancient Exiles 425	Posted - 2013.11.09 21:04:00 - [24] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: GIZMO2606 wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: GIZMO2606 wrote: Because other players that don't have proto weapons find it unfair or becuase they lack gun game so they need to find a reason why someone with better gun game is killing them. Says the one who stacks complex damage mods on an AR and pub stomps for fun And your point is? You need damage mods to get a kill. Whatever happened to tactics and good gun game, I do fine without Dmg mods and personally, I see no difference with or without them. Aim for the face and you don't need them. Hmmmm Kinda funny considering that I use Shield Extenders on my suit over damage mods. The Official Sasha Grey of DUST 514 Always taking it deep and hard on my back?!
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1522	Posted - 2013.11.09 21:06:00 - [25] - Quote GIZMO2606 wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: GIZMO2606 wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: GIZMO2606 wrote: Because other players that don't have proto weapons find it unfair or becuase they lack gun game so they need to find a reason why someone with better gun game is killing them. Says the one who stacks complex damage mods on an AR and pub stomps for fun And your point is? You need damage mods to get a kill. Whatever happened to tactics and good gun game, I do fine without Dmg mods and personally, I see no difference with or without them. Aim for the face and you don't need them. Hmmmm Kinda funny considering that I use Shield Extenders on my suit over damage mods. Hmmmm I find that hard to believe since 99% of AE are callogis "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle
GIZMO2606 Ancient Exiles 425	Posted - 2013.11.09 21:12:00 - [26] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: Hmmmm I find that hard to believe since 99% of AE are callogis Lol so 99% of us you say? Gallente Logi and Amarr Heavy, both Proto. Not one skill point into CalLogi and I don't intend to. Even more so not all of us run CalLogi's. Should get your facts right. The Official Sasha Grey of DUST 514 Always taking it deep and hard on my back?!
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect 1342	Posted - 2013.11.09 21:22:00 - [27] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: Straight up proto gear makes you weak as a player, if you want to do just ok and let the gear carry you thats fine but if you want to be outstanding youll spend more time in a starter fit working on your playing ability and not your characters abilities so when you do put that proto gear on for something semi important like a PC match youll wreck instead of being one of those guys crying how the TTK is to low I mean you do know thats where the majority of the crying about it coming from right, proto scrubs freaking out their gear isnt carrying them as much as it used to, they had the gear with the huge advantage and they got complacent so now that hit detection is better thus lessening the importance of their buffer they flock to the board saying its a problem in the system And l guess you're one of many that would have a 10 KDR if you could only be bothered to use protogear? Protogear doesn't make you weak, it makes you smarter due to feeling the loss of an expensive suit.. Anyways +1 I aggree about the last part. We've had more and more QQ from "good players" as hitdetection has improved. Fast reflexes, good aim and situational awareness have never been more important in Dust than right now. They're all qualities important for a good player in every FPS, in a way, the current TTK is a good meassure of player skill, having a hard time these days? I suspect you aren't that good, you're merely used to a now diminnished advantage in terms of dps/ehp. http://s1286.photobucket.com/user/KingBabar/media/BannerKingbabarcopy.png.html
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 2321	Posted - 2013.11.09 21:29:00 - [28] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Delta 749 wrote: Straight up proto gear makes you weak as a player, if you want to do just ok and let the gear carry you thats fine but if you want to be outstanding youll spend more time in a starter fit working on your playing ability and not your characters abilities so when you do put that proto gear on for something semi important like a PC match youll wreck instead of being one of those guys crying how the TTK is to low I mean you do know thats where the majority of the crying about it coming from right, proto scrubs freaking out their gear isnt carrying them as much as it used to, they had the gear with the huge advantage and they got complacent so now that hit detection is better thus lessening the importance of their buffer they flock to the board saying its a problem in the system And l guess you're one of many that would have a 10 KDR if you could only be bothered to use protogear? Protogear doesn't make you weak, it makes you smarter due to feeling the loss of an expensive suit.. Anyways +1 I aggree about the last part. We've had more and more QQ from "good players" as hitdetection has improved. Fast reflexes, good aim and situational awareness have never been more important in Dust than right now. They're all qualities important for a good player in every FPS, in a way, the current TTK is a good meassure of player skill, having a hard time these days? I suspect you aren't that good, you're merely used to a now diminnished advantage in terms of dps/ehp. Nope, Ive been around long enough that I have proto gear but choose not to use it the majority of the time and like many others Ive also been around long enough that I have piles of ISK sitting around so theres really no loss felt I mean lets say I do die 10 times or something in a proto fitting, what does it matter if I have 200+ more of them and hundreds of millions of ISK in my wallet Now I dont know how much ISK you have or how long youve had proto stuff available so the economic loss probably does affect you differently than it does others making you more careful but for the majority of people I think using it are in the same situation I am were its just a few drops in the bucket Im not drunk, the planet just happens to be especially wobbly today.
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1525	Posted - 2013.11.09 21:35:00 - [29] - Quote GIZMO2606 wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: Hmmmm I find that hard to believe since 99% of AE are callogis Lol so 99% of us you say? Gallente Logi and Amarr Heavy, both Proto. Not one skill point into CalLogi and I don't intend to. Even more so not all of us run CalLogi's. Should get your facts right. Gallente logi is the perfect suit for Dmg mod stacking so I find it hard to believe your putting more than 1 shield extender. Amarr heavy.....I believe that one cause heavies are gimped pretty bad. All the AE players I've been against have been rocking callogis and cal assaults so you should get your facts before you start making conclusions. "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle
GIZMO2606 Ancient Exiles 425	Posted - 2013.11.09 21:42:00 - [30] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: GIZMO2606 wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: Hmmmm I find that hard to believe since 99% of AE are callogis Lol so 99% of us you say? Gallente Logi and Amarr Heavy, both Proto. Not one skill point into CalLogi and I don't intend to. Even more so not all of us run CalLogi's. Should get your facts right. Gallente logi is the perfect suit for Dmg mod stacking so I find it hard to believe your putting more than 1 shield extender. Amarr heavy.....I believe that one cause heavies are gimped pretty bad. All the AE players I've been against have been rocking callogis and cal assaults so you should get your facts before you start making conclusions. Believe what you will but I have no taste for using damage mods. Yeah some of AE uses CalLgoi's, that holds true but still doesn't add up to the 99% of us using it. So in remark to the "Get your facts before you start making conclusions" statement, you might want to do that first yourself. The Official Sasha Grey of DUST 514 Always taking it deep and hard on my back?!



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