DUST Search - Whats wrong with using proto?

KingBabar wrote:

Delta 749 wrote:

KingBabar wrote:

Delta 749 wrote:

Straight up proto gear makes you weak as a player, if you want to do just ok and let the gear carry you thats fine but if you want to be outstanding youll spend more time in a starter fit working on your playing ability and not your characters abilities so when you do put that proto gear on for something semi important like a PC match youll wreck instead of being one of those guys crying how the TTK is to low

I mean you do know thats where the majority of the crying about it coming from right, proto scrubs freaking out their gear isnt carrying them as much as it used to, they had the gear with the huge advantage and they got complacent so now that hit detection is better thus lessening the importance of their buffer they flock to the board saying its a problem in the system

And l guess you're one of many that would have a 10 KDR if you could only be bothered to use protogear?
Protogear doesn't make you weak, it makes you smarter due to feeling the loss of an expensive suit..

Anyways +1

I aggree about the last part. We've had more and more QQ from "good players" as hitdetection has improved.

Fast reflexes, good aim and situational awareness have never been more important in Dust than right now. They're all qualities important for a good player in every FPS, in a way, the current TTK is a good meassure of player skill, having a hard time these days? I suspect you aren't that good, you're merely used to a now diminnished advantage in terms of dps/ehp.

Nope, Ive been around long enough that I have proto gear but choose not to use it the majority of the time and like many others Ive also been around long enough that I have piles of ISK sitting around so theres really no loss felt
I mean lets say I do die 10 times or something in a proto fitting, what does it matter if I have 200+ more of them and hundreds of millions of ISK in my wallet
Now I dont know how much ISK you have or how long youve had proto stuff available so the economic loss probably does affect you differently than it does others making you more careful but for the majority of people I think using it are in the same situation I am were its just a few drops in the bucket

I currently have, well several hundreds of million isk too. The sense of loss comes more from general principles of wanting to go positive rather than any practical consern.

And for the record,, l'm more aggressive than most, my squad is mostly far behind me. That is where the challenge is, how aggressively can l push and still make it out alive?

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Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1163	Posted - 2013.11.09 21:42:00 - [31] - Quote KingBabar wrote: What am l supposed to do? - Not play with my friends and corpmates? (Playing Dust solo for 5 hrs will make the game way too boring) - Not use the finelly tweaked suit l've spent 8 months perfecting? - Not maximizing my potential on the battlefield, by extension doing all l can to secure a win for my team? - What do you want me to do? And for the record, l normally run a "cheap" protosuit setup that costs 107.775 isk and the isk just keeps piling up. As long as my wallet keeps growing, what possible reason is there for me to not use a proto suit in every single battle? I've even deleted my ONE roughly 50k enhanced suit. My theory is that the guys complaining about it simply can't afford it. And don't give me the "need a challenge" BS, playing agressively enough to rack up the kills without dying more than max twice on average is challanging enough..... I'm tired of the constant QQ messages, especially after downing someone many times with an enh weapon with no mods. Besides, playing mostly EU ambush l do meet lots of other proto squads from gac, wtf, various russians and others. I think youre doing exactly what you should be doing... its CCP's responsibility to balance this game, not yours... insert witty or profound statement here _______.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 791	Posted - 2013.11.09 21:44:00 - [32] - Quote I don't necessarily have a problem with people in PRO gear. The main issue is the new player who get stomped 10 times in a row and decide to quit. A new player has a .00000001% chance of doing well, and why would someone want to play a game when they can't last more than 30 seconds without dying? Answer is: They won't. I wish I could afford to run PRO gear though. But at prof 5 on my MDs I don't need to There there Mr. Scout and Ms. Heavy, don't cry You'll still be useful in my eyes
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect 1342	Posted - 2013.11.09 21:48:00 - [33] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: KingBabar wrote: Delta 749 wrote: Straight up proto gear makes you weak as a player, if you want to do just ok and let the gear carry you thats fine but if you want to be outstanding youll spend more time in a starter fit working on your playing ability and not your characters abilities so when you do put that proto gear on for something semi important like a PC match youll wreck instead of being one of those guys crying how the TTK is to low I mean you do know thats where the majority of the crying about it coming from right, proto scrubs freaking out their gear isnt carrying them as much as it used to, they had the gear with the huge advantage and they got complacent so now that hit detection is better thus lessening the importance of their buffer they flock to the board saying its a problem in the system And l guess you're one of many that would have a 10 KDR if you could only be bothered to use protogear? Protogear doesn't make you weak, it makes you smarter due to feeling the loss of an expensive suit.. Anyways +1 I aggree about the last part. We've had more and more QQ from "good players" as hitdetection has improved. Fast reflexes, good aim and situational awareness have never been more important in Dust than right now. They're all qualities important for a good player in every FPS, in a way, the current TTK is a good meassure of player skill, having a hard time these days? I suspect you aren't that good, you're merely used to a now diminnished advantage in terms of dps/ehp. Nope, Ive been around long enough that I have proto gear but choose not to use it the majority of the time and like many others Ive also been around long enough that I have piles of ISK sitting around so theres really no loss felt I mean lets say I do die 10 times or something in a proto fitting, what does it matter if I have 200+ more of them and hundreds of millions of ISK in my wallet Now I dont know how much ISK you have or how long youve had proto stuff available so the economic loss probably does affect you differently than it does others making you more careful but for the majority of people I think using it are in the same situation I am were its just a few drops in the bucket I currently have, well several hundreds of million isk too. The sense of loss comes more from general principles of wanting to go positive rather than any practical consern. And for the record,, l'm more aggressive than most, my squad is mostly far behind me. That is where the challenge is, how aggressively can l push and still make it out alive? http://s1286.photobucket.com/user/KingBabar/media/BannerKingbabarcopy.png.html
Smooth Assassin Stardust incorporation 342	Posted - 2013.11.09 21:51:00 - [34] - Quote This guy... i've seen him with his corp murdering people. EDIT: Besides if you're pub stomping you're making it worse for you're team by not sharing kills. *Assassination is my thing.*
Thor McStrut Reckoners 359	Posted - 2013.11.09 21:53:00 - [35] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: A'Real Fury wrote: Nothing wrong with proto suits/gear but there is an issue with matchmaking. ^ THIS!!!! NOTHING IS WORSE THAN BEING THROWN A BLUEBERRY TEAM AND BEING PUT AGAINST 2 CORP SQUADS THAT ARE CORP FUNDED PROTO STOMPERS!!!!!! /rant Honestly, it's not the Proto gear that is ruining the experience. It's the fact that they are running organized squads. Organized squads, working together, will dominate uncoordinated players every time. Now, add in the fact they are using superior gear, and the problems just compound. It's purely a MM problem. If MM isn't working properly due to low player counts, then it will continue to be a major problem. I can't count the number of times I look at the opposing teams, and see at least 6 members from the same corp, and 2 or 3 others from another corp, while my team is filled with mostly starter corps and my team chat says most are unsquaded. I'm not sure what the solution is, but I'm positive it will have to be solved in the MM algorithms.
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 2324	Posted - 2013.11.09 22:00:00 - [36] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Delta 749 wrote: KingBabar wrote: Delta 749 wrote: Straight up proto gear makes you weak as a player, if you want to do just ok and let the gear carry you thats fine but if you want to be outstanding youll spend more time in a starter fit working on your playing ability and not your characters abilities so when you do put that proto gear on for something semi important like a PC match youll wreck instead of being one of those guys crying how the TTK is to low I mean you do know thats where the majority of the crying about it coming from right, proto scrubs freaking out their gear isnt carrying them as much as it used to, they had the gear with the huge advantage and they got complacent so now that hit detection is better thus lessening the importance of their buffer they flock to the board saying its a problem in the system And l guess you're one of many that would have a 10 KDR if you could only be bothered to use protogear? Protogear doesn't make you weak, it makes you smarter due to feeling the loss of an expensive suit.. Anyways +1 I aggree about the last part. We've had more and more QQ from "good players" as hitdetection has improved. Fast reflexes, good aim and situational awareness have never been more important in Dust than right now. They're all qualities important for a good player in every FPS, in a way, the current TTK is a good meassure of player skill, having a hard time these days? I suspect you aren't that good, you're merely used to a now diminnished advantage in terms of dps/ehp. Nope, Ive been around long enough that I have proto gear but choose not to use it the majority of the time and like many others Ive also been around long enough that I have piles of ISK sitting around so theres really no loss felt I mean lets say I do die 10 times or something in a proto fitting, what does it matter if I have 200+ more of them and hundreds of millions of ISK in my wallet Now I dont know how much ISK you have or how long youve had proto stuff available so the economic loss probably does affect you differently than it does others making you more careful but for the majority of people I think using it are in the same situation I am were its just a few drops in the bucket I currently have, well several hundreds of million isk too. The sense of loss comes more from general principles of wanting to go positive rather than any practical consern. And for the record,, l'm more aggressive than most, my squad is mostly far behind me. That is where the challenge is, how aggressively can l push and still make it out alive? Im the same way, when I get going I usually find myself all alone with anyone I was running with way behind me Then I usually get shot in the back by someone who just spawned in cause I over extended Im not drunk, the planet just happens to be especially wobbly today.
Meeko Fent Xer Cloud Consortium 1473	Posted - 2013.11.09 22:01:00 - [37] - Quote Because people running proto gear with twice the HP of a STD set. Because people running proto guns with 75-ish more DPS then a Standard gun. Because people with proto mods get twice as buch benefit opposed to those with STD modules. Is it really that hard to just start rocking standard gear instead of proto? For the State! For Caldari FW join Caldari Hierarchy
Meeko Fent Xer Cloud Consortium 1473	Posted - 2013.11.09 22:03:00 - [38] - Quote Thor McStrut wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: A'Real Fury wrote: Nothing wrong with proto suits/gear but there is an issue with matchmaking. ^ THIS!!!! NOTHING IS WORSE THAN BEING THROWN A BLUEBERRY TEAM AND BEING PUT AGAINST 2 CORP SQUADS THAT ARE CORP FUNDED PROTO STOMPERS!!!!!! /rant Honestly, it's not the Proto gear that is ruining the experience. It's the fact that they are running organized squads. Organized squads, working together, will dominate uncoordinated players every time. Now, add in the fact they are using superior gear, and the problems just compound. It's purely a MM problem. If MM isn't working properly due to low player counts, then it will continue to be a major problem. I can't count the number of times I look at the opposing teams, and see at least 6 members from the same corp, and 2 or 3 others from another corp, while my team is filled with mostly starter corps and my team chat says most are unsquaded. I'm not sure what the solution is, but I'm positive it will have to be solved in the MM algorithms. FFS this again? Standard Bluedots versus Standard Squadberries Standard Bluedots versus Prototype Squadberries Which is more fair? For the State! For Caldari FW join Caldari Hierarchy
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect 1343	Posted - 2013.11.09 22:09:00 - [39] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: Because people running proto gear with twice the HP of a STD set. Because people running proto guns with 75-ish more DPS then a Standard gun. Because people with proto mods get twice as buch benefit opposed to those with STD modules. Is it really that hard to just start rocking standard gear instead of proto? Is it so hard to start using proto gear instead of standard? The above mentioned points are all natural according to Dust's mechanics, do you really expect fps players too not use our best? We're mostly not Care Bears... http://s1286.photobucket.com/user/KingBabar/media/BannerKingbabarcopy.png.html
Joel II X AHPA 111	Posted - 2013.11.09 22:12:00 - [40] - Quote There's a time and place for everything. Don't use them in pubs. Let the player base grow. my friend quit the game due to proto stomping.

Patrick57 GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 1332	Posted - 2013.11.09 22:12:00 - [41] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: Me and castor crave played about 6 matches yesterday. Each one was an absolute pubstomp by the other team. No remorse was shown for us and the blues.....especially because it was the same 2 corps we kept going against. All I have to say is this: I hope my RE blows your face so far into your proto suit that not even a respawn will fix it. You got stomped by us too :D Sorry lol Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of Congress; but I repeat myself. -Mark Twain :D
Meeko Fent Xer Cloud Consortium 1473	Posted - 2013.11.09 22:53:00 - [42] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Meeko Fent wrote: Because people running proto gear with twice the HP of a STD set. Because people running proto guns with 75-ish more DPS then a Standard gun. Because people with proto mods get twice as buch benefit opposed to those with STD modules. Is it really that hard to just start rocking standard gear instead of proto? Is it so hard to start using proto gear instead of standard? The above mentioned points are all natural according to Dust's mechanics, do you really expect fps players too not use our best? We're mostly not Care Bears... Is it really hard to grind millions of SP when every match is completely and totally onesided? For the State! For Caldari FW join Caldari Hierarchy
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1527	Posted - 2013.11.09 22:55:00 - [43] - Quote GIZMO2606 wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: GIZMO2606 wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: Hmmmm I find that hard to believe since 99% of AE are callogis Lol so 99% of us you say? Gallente Logi and Amarr Heavy, both Proto. Not one skill point into CalLogi and I don't intend to. Even more so not all of us run CalLogi's. Should get your facts right. Gallente logi is the perfect suit for Dmg mod stacking so I find it hard to believe your putting more than 1 shield extender. Amarr heavy.....I believe that one cause heavies are gimped pretty bad. All the AE players I've been against have been rocking callogis and cal assaults so you should get your facts before you start making conclusions. Believe what you will but I have no taste for using damage mods. Yeah some of AE uses CalLgoi's, that holds true but still doesn't add up to the 99% of us using it. So in remark to the "Get your facts before you start making conclusions" statement, you might want to do that first yourself. How about we both agree to disagree? I like that option better cause this argument is going nowhere "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1527	Posted - 2013.11.09 23:13:00 - [44] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: Me and castor crave played about 6 matches yesterday. Each one was an absolute pubstomp by the other team. No remorse was shown for us and the blues.....especially because it was the same 2 corps we kept going against. All I have to say is this: I hope my RE blows your face so far into your proto suit that not even a respawn will fix it. You got stomped by us too :D Sorry lol Haha that was funny though cause I was actually in a somewhat full squad "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle
Mr Machine Guns Nyain San Proficiency V. 107	Posted - 2013.11.09 23:17:00 - [45] - Quote If you do not like getting proto stomp you can do many things one leave the battle, two snipe, three stay together in a wolf pack a proto player can't take on 6 players at once. Plus when you go against proto players you make more isk
Kahn Zo Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 68	Posted - 2013.11.09 23:19:00 - [46] - Quote jenza aranda wrote: to be honest i dont understand the tear either. My guess is that its simply butthurt people being buthurt. Give it no mind. Ha! A new one! Butthurtberry TY. Pure Gallente
Patrick57 GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 1333	Posted - 2013.11.09 23:19:00 - [47] - Quote Mr Machine Guns wrote: If you do not like getting proto stomp you can do many things one leave the battle, two snipe, three stay together in a wolf pack a proto player can't take on 6 players at once. Plus when you go against proto players you make more isk Said someone from Nyain San. Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of Congress; but I repeat myself. -Mark Twain :D
Mr Machine Guns Nyain San Proficiency V. 107	Posted - 2013.11.09 23:24:00 - [48] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: If you do not like getting proto stomp you can do many things one leave the battle, two snipe, three stay together in a wolf pack a proto player can't take on 6 players at once. Plus when you go against proto players you make more isk Said someone from Nyain San. here we go Nyain San hate will start now
Kazeno Rannaa BIG BAD W0LVES 306	Posted - 2013.11.09 23:28:00 - [49] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: Me and castor crave played about 6 matches yesterday. Each one was an absolute pubstomp by the other team. No remorse was shown for us and the blues.....especially because it was the same 2 corps we kept going against. All I have to say is this: I hope my RE blows your face so far into your proto suit that not even a respawn will fix it. So in other words: my posse gets stomped by yours and l hope l'm lucky enough get a RE kill, not even contemplating killing you with my main. I bet you even get a kick out of taking out a protosuit, -Haha, that dude lost isk because of me, like any of us care about isk.... I see the arrogance is still there mashed right next to the righteousness. Some people never change from that time that they were 8yo. People are not nearly as complex as they think themselves to be. The same boring posts from the same one to maybe two dimensional players. Joy
Kazeno Rannaa BIG BAD W0LVES 306	Posted - 2013.11.09 23:37:00 - [50] - Quote Mr Machine Guns wrote: If you do not like getting proto stomp you can do many things one leave the battle, two snipe, three stay together in a wolf pack a proto player can't take on 6 players at once. Plus when you go against proto players you make more isk Actually, you donGÇÖt really. That is making more ISK playing against proto-players. The break down of the payout is not but the equipment lost on the battle field, but on the relative standing each player has against all the others on the side that they were on. Winners get a larger share of the pot, with those higher up on the score board earning a larger portion of the lionGÇÖs share. And as for 1 proto not being able to take on 6 at once, well, with what I have seen since 1.6 has hit us, the SCR seems to be especially deadly and I have watched squads of veteran players get decimated by a single proto player. This I attribute not to better gun game on the part of our opponent, nor do I really attribute it to poor performance on our part. The fixes given over for hit detection has caused some noticeable issues with the consistency of hit detection, relative body location in relation to the hits (i.e., being behind cover), and to how much damage is being translated from shooter to target (i.e., I have taken over a 1000pts on damage from an Adv. SCR in less than 5 shots; Even with head shots and the charged shot, it is damn near statistically impossible, yet it has happened). So once again this looks to be a situation where the fixes implemented, since they are not part of a complete sweep, fix their intended issues (kind of) while reeking havoc on a number of other systems that were working fine. Soon the PS4 will be in my hands. With that, this game will be away from my mind.

Kazeno Rannaa BIG BAD W0LVES 306	Posted - 2013.11.09 23:39:00 - [51] - Quote Mr Machine Guns wrote: Patrick57 wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: If you do not like getting proto stomp you can do many things one leave the battle, two snipe, three stay together in a wolf pack a proto player can't take on 6 players at once. Plus when you go against proto players you make more isk Said someone from Nyain San. here we go Nyain San hate will start now Yes, the leggiest bunch of proto-stomping twits I have ever had the displeasure of ever playing against.
Mr Machine Guns Nyain San Proficiency V. 107	Posted - 2013.11.09 23:40:00 - [52] - Quote Kazeno Rannaa wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: Patrick57 wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: If you do not like getting proto stomp you can do many things one leave the battle, two snipe, three stay together in a wolf pack a proto player can't take on 6 players at once. Plus when you go against proto players you make more isk Said someone from Nyain San. here we go Nyain San hate will start now Yes, the leggiest bunch of proto-stomping twits I have ever had the displeasure of ever playing against. its funny because the people from NS you play against are probably are american players
Cosgar ParagonX 7543	Posted - 2013.11.09 23:49:00 - [53] - Quote Unless you're using some kind of exploit, use what you want, play how you want, and collect tears along the way. People are going to be butt hurt regardless of what you do or don't do. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Vrain Matari ZionTCD Public Disorder. 1200	Posted - 2013.11.10 00:00:00 - [54] - Quote KingBabar wrote: What am l supposed to do? - Not play with my friends and corpmates? (Playing Dust solo for 5 hrs will make the game way too boring) - Not use the finelly tweaked suit l've spent 8 months perfecting? - Not maximizing my potential on the battlefield, by extension doing all l can to secure a win for my team? - What do you want me to do? And for the record, l normally run a "cheap" protosuit setup that costs 107.775 isk and the isk just keeps piling up. As long as my wallet keeps growing, what possible reason is there for me to not use a proto suit in every single battle? I've even deleted my ONE roughly 50k enhanced suit. My theory is that the guys complaining about it simply can't afford it. And don't give me the "need a challenge" BS, playing agressively enough to rack up the kills without dying more than max twice on average is challanging enough..... I'm tired of the constant QQ messages, especially after downing someone many times with an enh weapon with no mods. Besides, playing mostly EU ambush l do meet lots of other proto squads from gac, wtf, various russians and others. Absolutely nothing is wrong with using proto. Also nothing wrong with using qsynced elite PC protosquads. And absolutely nothing is wrong with using all the techniques and tools at hand to ruthlessly dominate the opposition into a failure so complete that they just suicide to get it over with. Hopefully you can put them in a position where they choose not to fight at all and just let you take what you want. This is war after all. More power to you, i sez. This is not a player-generated problem. It's a CCP game design problem. And it's a hard problem. Because of the universal market, because of the vast stratification in wealth, because of the confined pressure-cooker lobby match structure of DUST, because of what customizable player-generated contracts will mean, because of the resource geopolitics built right into the game the problems we see in DUST today are SWEET F'K ALL compared to what is coming. It won't be a case of protostomping, it'll be a case of officerstomping with environmental bonuses and supercap fleet support. It'll be a case of calling down proto installations and fielding multiple warbarges. If players have any responsibilities in this at all it would be to keep offering suggestions and insights to CCP.
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1530	Posted - 2013.11.10 00:00:00 - [55] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: If you do not like getting proto stomp you can do many things one leave the battle, two snipe, three stay together in a wolf pack a proto player can't take on 6 players at once. Plus when you go against proto players you make more isk Said someone from Nyain San. Well said :P "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle
Mr Machine Guns Nyain San Proficiency V. 107	Posted - 2013.11.10 00:02:00 - [56] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: Patrick57 wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: If you do not like getting proto stomp you can do many things one leave the battle, two snipe, three stay together in a wolf pack a proto player can't take on 6 players at once. Plus when you go against proto players you make more isk Said someone from Nyain San. Well said :P im not going to stay here and listen to a guy from a corp that no big corps want to attack because they do not want to look bad attacking a training corp
Avallo Kantor Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 216	Posted - 2013.11.10 00:03:00 - [57] - Quote For me the problem isn't so much that people -can- run protosuits in matches (which I have no problem with) but that I feel the original intent of Prototype tier is being lost from what was originally told to us. I remember (I've followed the news about this game long before I got a PS3 to play it) when the Devs more or less stated that Proto gear was meant to be that extra edge for very important matches, something that is very expensive, and an almost guaranteed profit-loss even with a few losses. It was supposed to be only for critical moments, and PC, where very important things were on the line. Instead we see Proto-level gear being used in all cases because the price is not inhibitive compared to player wealth. In many cases, this reminds me of CCP's original vision for titans, which they originally intended to be so rare that there would only be a handful in the game at a time. In both cases however they underestimated player determination and wealth, and in both cases both were able to become prolific. In this light, my problem is not with those who use it constantly (because if you can afford / use an advantage, you should) but with the general concept that this stuff should have been the super-expensive suits only broken out when the stakes where extremely high. Perhaps this will change once the player market, and player manufacturing comes out, but at current it seems it will be Officer gear that fulfills that "Clutch moment" power up instead of Proto.
Mordecai Sanguine What The French 121	Posted - 2013.11.10 00:11:00 - [58] - Quote Protostomp is just an excuse from players that didn't already unlock Proto-Level. Proto is not that much more powerful than ADV-Tier. A "New" Proto player is less powerful than an "Old" proto wearing ADV. The only thing that make you think that Proto can just stomp you so easily is his Passive skills and how the suit is fitted. And when a Logi is using his Proto equipement to save your ass we don't hear you complain... weird huh ? Anyway people that complain if you were using proto stuff you'll know that we're not so hard to kill and right know we never died so fast. Proto is not only advantages it has also a LOOOOOT of drawbacks : 1- The Cost : OMGGGGG. Example : Standard weapons : 1000-2000ISK. Advanced : 7000-8000 Proto : 49000-50000. You see ? that's f*cking expensive and right know the DPS is sooo high that it's like you're wearing Gold paper.... Proto suit mean : Complex mods and complex equipement that mean MOAR ISK 2-More focused : When you're wearing proto suit be sure that you will always be targeted by at least 3 ennemies at the same time. If you are with allies be sure you'll be the one that will take bullets in the head 3-Time to unlock : To unlock something protos you need at least 1 month => 4-5 months for suits. 4-Addiction : When you start playing proto it's hard to stop even if you lose ISK. Just because...Nah power of proto. Ok i know being Pubstomped by a squad of Full-Proto is annoying. (Ps : Don't blame me because in Pub is play really often in ADV so...). But in fact they play in squad. They could be ADV or STD this squad that protostomp you could advstomp you not because they are proto but because they are a SQUAD. => Proto prices are really high. People lose ISK but keep playing proto. Dunno why (or how) but they do. Start thinking how they do that.
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Cult of War 956	Posted - 2013.11.10 00:16:00 - [59] - Quote The harder they fall, the larger the pay. If you can't afford proto go out and kill proto you will get large payouts. For the Empire! Well fuck me i can say fuck in my sig, who knew?
Patrick57 GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 1337	Posted - 2013.11.10 04:08:00 - [60] - Quote Mr Machine Guns wrote: Patrick57 wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: If you do not like getting proto stomp you can do many things one leave the battle, two snipe, three stay together in a wolf pack a proto player can't take on 6 players at once. Plus when you go against proto players you make more isk Said someone from Nyain San. here we go Nyain San hate will start now I was just saying that because you guys are tough enemies. Too tough :( I don't hate your corp, I hate getting stomped by your corp. Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of Congress; but I repeat myself. -Mark Twain :D



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