DUST Search - A Call to Boycott The Heavy Class

THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote:

Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:

Delta 749 wrote:

Big glaring flaw in your argument
You say "Remember when it took 2-4 guys to take down a heavy" and then say that what makes a good heavy dangerous is his playstyle
Well that still applies, the ones that cry the most are the dumb fat kids that walk out into the open still expecting **** to be horribly unbalanced in their favor
It should always always always only take one player to kill another player, needing several players to kill you solely by dint of your gear and not your playing ability is the definition of overpowered and pay to win, same **** with tanks

So you're saying my playstyle and general "skill" is the difference between doing good, and having fun in Chromosome all the way up to Uprising 1.3? I can assure you, my playstyle with the heavy class remained the same, yet I get put down quicker than ever before. 1v1's in now a death sentence for a heavy instead of a win.

You're saying it should take 1 player to kill a heavy? Straight

... wow... no wonder why the class is where it's at these days, cuz of thinking like this.

A class that's suppose to be tanked, and powerful, and should be able to get taken down by 1 player? Tell me, what's the purpose of a heavy then? Why would a team need this class when a medium suit does the job better?

Your point of view is ignorant, and sounds like you've played CoD and BF a little too much...and this is coming from someone who played the crap out of BF3, and probably played it more than anyone here on the forums.

Your losing 1v1s in a heavy suit to mediums? You're straight up garbage, theres no excuse for that. And you expect to never be taken out by a single enemy? Please sit the f*** down. F*cking garbage players whining to get buffs. F*cking all these forums are nowadays. Scrubs getting raped by real players and making excuses.

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Monkey MAC killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance 878	Posted - 2013.10.30 00:02:00 - [31] - Quote All im gonna say is, heavies need to be able to sponge damage, sure, just be careful, don't go overboard!
CAELAN Andoril Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 82	Posted - 2013.10.30 00:03:00 - [32] - Quote I'm boycotting until I get my Minmatar Heavy, then I'll see whether or not it's time to boycott due to uselessness. In and out of hiatus frequently.
Nirwanda Vaughns Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 159	Posted - 2013.10.30 00:05:00 - [33] - Quote CAELAN Andoril wrote: I'm boycotting until I get my Minmatar Heavy, then I'll see whether or not it's time to boycott due to uselessness. yeah i really wanna wait til minmatar and gallente heavies til i train commandos. minny heavy looks so bad ass
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 9774	Posted - 2013.10.30 00:05:00 - [34] - Quote Boycotting wont get the developers to notice sadly. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier Specialist Current Theme \\= Minmatar Assault and Logistics =// Unlocked.
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4322	Posted - 2013.10.30 00:07:00 - [35] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Boycotting wont get the developers to notice sadly. Well making endless threads crying about it might, so I might do just that. ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
THUNDERGROOVE ZionTCD Public Disorder. 1198	Posted - 2013.10.30 00:35:00 - [36] - Quote Already stopped using my Sentinel suit around 1.3. Amarr logi with a two assault SMG's brick tanked with rep hives. I solo heavies with half a clip What is a signature?
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 508	Posted - 2013.10.30 01:06:00 - [37] - Quote I think the heavies pretty good, i regularly go 20+ kills with 1-3 deaths, though once the commando buff comes in i think im gonna switch over to that.
Chad Michael Murray NECROM0NGERS 121	Posted - 2013.10.30 01:15:00 - [38] - Quote Everything Dies wrote: Question: I haven't really used a heavy suit all that much, but why do heavies feel as though they have to use a heavy weapon? If the HMG isn't working very well, why not just throw on an AR? Um, what would be the point? If you're going to use a light weapon you might as well just use a medium suit and roam around going LOLARLOL mode like 95% of the player base. I have no interest in being a pseudo-assault with a weight problems. o;
Himiko Kuronaga MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN. 2064	Posted - 2013.10.30 02:01:00 - [39] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Boycotting wont get the developers to notice sadly. I thought getting on the forums and causing a riot was the only way to get anything done with CCP. Those were your own words, back when Arirana was winning tournaments with the melee glitch. So according to you, these are the proper channels to make something happen. Are these no longer the proper channels?
Keri Starlight Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 960	Posted - 2013.10.30 02:13:00 - [40] - Quote The only problem with HMG is the atrocious bullet spread. It's a tough one, though. This is obvious when you finally manage to ADS a static (and close) target: bullets finally hit your target (ADS reduces spread and the target is not dodging and close enough) and BLAM, it gets blown away in a split second. So it DOES have a lethal RPM and DMG potential. Too bad when the enemy is strafing it's like trying to tickle him/her to death. -Caldari Achura - One with the Universe -Tac AR Specialist "I load my gun with love instead of bullets"

Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 1935	Posted - 2013.10.30 02:32:00 - [41] - Quote Lance you're starting to sound like a broken record. Fatties need love. We know. The community knows. CCP knows. We need more weapons. We need more suits. We need more survivability. These issues have been established for months. So have a multitude of others. If you're so UP just stop using the suits for crying out loud.
Phazoid The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 88	Posted - 2013.10.30 02:37:00 - [42] - Quote +1 for good ideas and also for bringing up scouts Me and my inner demons stopped fighting......We are on the same side now...
Drifter MAGGOT KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 98	Posted - 2013.10.30 02:39:00 - [43] - Quote Everything Dies wrote: Question: I haven't really used a heavy suit all that much, but why do heavies feel as though they have to use a heavy weapon? If the HMG isn't working very well, why not just throw on an AR? Sadly enough there is probly players that can get an insane amount of kills with a heavy suit and knives. Who needs bullets when you have a FAT stack of armor.
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4336	Posted - 2013.10.30 03:12:00 - [44] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: Lance you're starting to sound like a broken record. Fatties need love. We know. The community knows. CCP knows. We need more weapons. We need more suits. We need more survivability. These issues have been established for months. So have a multitude of others. If you're so UP just stop using the suits for crying out loud. CCP knows? Honestly CCP give me the impression they don't know anything. They know but heavies get a 150 HP buff? I guess that's their idea of cracking a joke, because I'm pretty sure nobody asked for 150 extra HP over the past couple months. I don't care if I sound like a broken record. If people want to sit back and think to themselves "CCP knows" then they're free to do so. I've been here since early closed beta, so I don't go by this optimistic approach that you seem to have. No offense intended. I'm as cynical as they get. So until I see changes, I'll continue to cry and moan and repeat myself. If nobody stood up at the start of Uprising, chances are the devs won't have noticed the HMG got nerfed by 40% and not 20% as intended. Only when people cried about how bad it was did they do something about it. ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 919	Posted - 2013.10.30 03:18:00 - [45] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: Lance you're starting to sound like a broken record. Fatties need love. We know. The community knows. CCP knows. We need more weapons. We need more suits. We need more survivability. These issues have been established for months. I wonder about that sometimes. We need to be really, stupidly loud on the forums before they give us an inkling that they're doing anything about anything for certain subjects. At EVE Fanfest in May they said, "The remaining racial suits are coming soon, and not soon with a TM." At EVE Vegas in October they said, "The remaining racial suits are coming soon, and not soon with a TM." I personally don't intend to believe them, quiet down, or calm down until I see the things in the patch notes. I bet plenty of other fatties and skinnies are in the same boat. And minor tweaks like 1.6, while nice, will not pacify us. ¶Gêƒ__ Gò« Gû¿GûêGûêGûêGòáGëíGëíGëíGû¬ « GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GåÆFAT GATGåÉ ¯Gò¦pÇôpÇù
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 2278	Posted - 2013.10.30 03:22:00 - [46] - Quote Big glaring flaw in your argument You say "Remember when it took 2-4 guys to take down a heavy" and then say that what makes a good heavy dangerous is his playstyle Well that still applies, the ones that cry the most are the dumb fat kids that walk out into the open still expecting ** to be horribly unbalanced in their favor It should always always always only take one player to kill another player, needing several players to kill you solely by dint of your gear and not your playing ability is the definition of overpowered and pay to win, same ** with tanks Im not drunk, the planet just happens to be especially wobbly today.
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4340	Posted - 2013.10.30 03:32:00 - [47] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: Big glaring flaw in your argument You say "Remember when it took 2-4 guys to take down a heavy" and then say that what makes a good heavy dangerous is his playstyle Well that still applies, the ones that cry the most are the dumb fat kids that walk out into the open still expecting ** to be horribly unbalanced in their favor It should always always always only take one player to kill another player, needing several players to kill you solely by dint of your gear and not your playing ability is the definition of overpowered and pay to win, same ** with tanks So you're saying my playstyle and general "skill" is the difference between doing good, and having fun in Chromosome all the way up to Uprising 1.3? I can assure you, my playstyle with the heavy class remained the same, yet I get put down quicker than ever before. 1v1's in now a death sentence for a heavy instead of a win. You're saying it should take 1 player to kill a heavy? ... wow... no wonder why the class is where it's at these days, cuz of thinking like this. A class that's suppose to be tanked, and powerful, and should be able to get taken down by 1 player? Tell me, what's the purpose of a heavy then? Why would a team need this class when a medium suit does the job better? Your point of view is ignorant, and sounds like you've played CoD and BF a little too much...and this is coming from someone who played the crap out of BF3, and probably played it more than anyone here on the forums. ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1695	Posted - 2013.10.30 03:34:00 - [48] - Quote +1 Yall need some love. Also: Minmatar heavy noaw. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja.
Cosgar ParagonX 6822	Posted - 2013.10.30 03:51:00 - [49] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: +1 Yall need some love. Also: Minmatar heavy noaw. They're holding back the rusty linebacker because Dust 514 won't be able to handle a fat boy that can sprint 6.6m/s I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
THEAMAZING POTHEAD Nyain San Proficiency V. 487	Posted - 2013.10.30 04:13:00 - [50] - Quote If you think heavies suck you're a ***** garbage player, ridiculously garbage. Maybe its experience from my heavy days in chrome, but every time i put on my ADV fat suit im going 10+ KDRs, EVERY TIME. Its called knowing how to cover your weaknesses. Heavies & the HMG will rip apart EVERY single class in cqc, if you're losing to proto suits with ARs @ close range its not the heavy, ITS YOU. If you can't aim with the HMG, it aint the HMG, ITS YOU. Only things heavys get raped by in their CQC niche is grenades, but grenades EVERTHING not just heavys. If youre not doing these things you're garbo as a heavy- stay to cities and indoors, open fields are a no no for every suit. use a weapon for the map, laser heavys are better for open field maps dont get outnumbered, all suits get raped by multiple militia ARs save your nades for corner popping nade spammers for unexpected retaliation avoid being by yourself unless you know the enemy is too, 1v1 you beat any suit. have a good LAV to make up for your mobility. those may seem obvious but if you do them you'll ** 24/7 guaranteed. every match.

Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 2278	Posted - 2013.10.30 04:30:00 - [51] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Delta 749 wrote: Big glaring flaw in your argument You say "Remember when it took 2-4 guys to take down a heavy" and then say that what makes a good heavy dangerous is his playstyle Well that still applies, the ones that cry the most are the dumb fat kids that walk out into the open still expecting ** to be horribly unbalanced in their favor It should always always always only take one player to kill another player, needing several players to kill you solely by dint of your gear and not your playing ability is the definition of overpowered and pay to win, same ** with tanks So you're saying my playstyle and general "skill" is the difference between doing good, and having fun in Chromosome all the way up to Uprising 1.3? I can assure you, my playstyle with the heavy class remained the same, yet I get put down quicker than ever before. 1v1's in now a death sentence for a heavy instead of a win. You're saying it should take 1 player to kill a heavy? ... wow... no wonder why the class is where it's at these days, cuz of thinking like this. A class that's suppose to be tanked, and powerful, and should be able to get taken down by 1 player? Tell me, what's the purpose of a heavy then? Why would a team need this class when a medium suit does the job better? Your point of view is ignorant, and sounds like you've played CoD and BF a little too much...and this is coming from someone who played the crap out of BF3, and probably played it more than anyone here on the forums. Im sorry but your reply just gives evidence you playing badly, if before when the suit could survive multiple opponents you were doing fine compared to now when its a little more balanced where you are losing 1 v 1 consistently then the problem really does lie with you, after all you are in a suit with more health than others with every single weapon available to you As for the heavy medium comparison lets break it down a little I have a proto medium frame suit with 4 high and 3 lows, stacking my module slots with 4 complex extenders 2 basic plates and an armor rep I still fall a few EHP short of a MILITIA heavy suit with nothing in its slots Bump that up to a standard heavy suit and Im still in the 800s while the heavy is over a thousand again with no modules on the heavy Heavies get a huge health lead on medium suits without having to fit heavies and for us to get close we sacrifice pretty much everything to stack EHP and still fall short while you guys still have modules to work with Slow speed? Oh I guess Ill just stack some kincats while retaining greater health than a medium closing my disadvantage gap HMG complaints fall of deaf ears since the devs have come right out and said its supposed to be close range point defense not trundle out into the open kill everyone, you want that demand the laser cannon or whatever its going to be and I will support you every step since heavy suits do have limited heavy weapons and neither of those is a good mid range option Actually on the topics of weapons and you complaining about power heavies have the forge gun and the militia version of that blaps all but other heavies stacked with just complex plates and extenders but thats a terrible idea So yeah, heavies already have a lot of advantages with their biggest drawback being a lack of a medium range heavy weapon option and everyone that cries "Waaaaah I need more health and should have fire arm resistance and it should take four players to kill me" shows real scrub colors since they need such a big buffer to compensate for their poor ability Im not drunk, the planet just happens to be especially wobbly today.
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 2278	Posted - 2013.10.30 04:31:00 - [52] - Quote THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: If you think heavies suck you're a ***** garbage player, ridiculously garbage. Maybe its experience from my heavy days in chrome, but every time i put on my ADV fat suit im going 10+ KDRs, EVERY TIME. Its called knowing how to cover your weaknesses. Heavies & the HMG will rip apart EVERY single class in cqc, if you're losing to proto suits with ARs @ close range its not the heavy, ITS YOU. If you can't aim with the HMG, it aint the HMG, ITS YOU. Only things heavys get raped by in their CQC niche is grenades, but grenades EVERTHING not just heavys. If youre not doing these things you're garbo as a heavy- stay to cities and indoors, open fields are a no no for every suit. use a weapon for the map, laser heavys are better for open field maps dont get outnumbered, all suits get raped by multiple militia ARs save your nades for corner popping nade spammers for unexpected retaliation avoid being by yourself unless you know the enemy is too, 1v1 you beat any suit. have a good LAV to make up for your mobility. those may seem obvious but if you do them you'll ** 24/7 guaranteed. every match. EDIT* OH and most of the players on dust ARE garbage so....not suprising! What this guy said Im not drunk, the planet just happens to be especially wobbly today.
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Cult of War 784	Posted - 2013.10.30 04:42:00 - [53] - Quote Lol if not using a suit would prove a point the commando suit would have been fixed many patches ago. Because when comparing the Sentential suit usage to the commando. The sentential out number them 50:1 at this point. For the Empire!
Panoscape BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 149	Posted - 2013.10.30 04:43:00 - [54] - Quote I agree, I'm mothballiing my heavy and going into a tanked logi/AR fit. If you can't beat 'em, join 'em. This is from a heavy since closed beta. I sure don't see Howdidthattaste on any more, sure miss going toe to toe with him.
ThePrinceOfNigeria Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 189	Posted - 2013.10.30 04:46:00 - [55] - Quote Boycott the game not the class if you are upset. Vote with your dollar bills and stop buying AUR as well.
THEAMAZING POTHEAD Nyain San Proficiency V. 488	Posted - 2013.10.30 04:49:00 - [56] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Delta 749 wrote: Big glaring flaw in your argument You say "Remember when it took 2-4 guys to take down a heavy" and then say that what makes a good heavy dangerous is his playstyle Well that still applies, the ones that cry the most are the dumb fat kids that walk out into the open still expecting ** to be horribly unbalanced in their favor It should always always always only take one player to kill another player, needing several players to kill you solely by dint of your gear and not your playing ability is the definition of overpowered and pay to win, same with tanks So you're saying my playstyle and general "skill" is the difference between doing good, and having fun in Chromosome all the way up to Uprising 1.3? I can assure you, my playstyle with the heavy class remained the same, yet I get put down quicker than ever before. 1v1's in now a death sentence for a heavy instead of a win. You're saying it should take 1 player to kill a heavy? ... wow... no wonder why the class is where it's at these days, cuz of thinking like this. A class that's suppose to be tanked, and powerful, and should be able to get taken down by 1 player? Tell me, what's the purpose of a heavy then? Why would a team need this class when a medium suit does the job better? Your point of view is ignorant, and sounds like you've played CoD and BF a little too much...and this is coming from someone who played the crap out of BF3, and probably played it more than anyone here on the forums. Your losing 1v1s in a heavy suit to mediums? You're straight up garbage, theres no excuse for that. And you expect to never be taken out by a single enemy? Please sit the f* down. Fcking garbage players whining to get buffs. Fcking all these forums are nowadays. Scrubs getting raped by real players and making excuses.
Sleepy Zan 2653	Posted - 2013.10.30 04:51:00 - [57] - Quote Lance how long will this continue? Its time to quiet heavies. "A good sniper doesn't provide battlefield intelligence, a good sniper leaves no intelligence left on the battlefield"
Borne Velvalor Endless Hatred 857	Posted - 2013.10.30 05:02:00 - [58] - Quote THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Delta 749 wrote: Big glaring flaw in your argument You say "Remember when it took 2-4 guys to take down a heavy" and then say that what makes a good heavy dangerous is his playstyle Well that still applies, the ones that cry the most are the dumb fat kids that walk out into the open still expecting ** to be horribly unbalanced in their favor It should always always always only take one player to kill another player, needing several players to kill you solely by dint of your gear and not your playing ability is the definition of overpowered and pay to win, same with tanks So you're saying my playstyle and general "skill" is the difference between doing good, and having fun in Chromosome all the way up to Uprising 1.3? I can assure you, my playstyle with the heavy class remained the same, yet I get put down quicker than ever before. 1v1's in now a death sentence for a heavy instead of a win. You're saying it should take 1 player to kill a heavy? ... wow... no wonder why the class is where it's at these days, cuz of thinking like this. A class that's suppose to be tanked, and powerful, and should be able to get taken down by 1 player? Tell me, what's the purpose of a heavy then? Why would a team need this class when a medium suit does the job better? Your point of view is ignorant, and sounds like you've played CoD and BF a little too much...and this is coming from someone who played the crap out of BF3, and probably played it more than anyone here on the forums. Your losing 1v1s in a heavy suit to mediums? You're straight up garbage, theres no excuse for that. And you expect to never be taken out by a single enemy? Please sit the f* down. Fcking garbage players whining to get buffs. Fcking all these forums are nowadays. Scrubs getting raped by real players and making excuses. 800-900 to 1500 isn't enough of a difference when one has a head the size of my computer monitor and a gun that shoots marshmallows beyond 20m. With the advent of Combat Rifles and Rail Rifles, plus the existing Laser Rifles, there will be PLENTY of ways to kill Heavies before they can kill you. Their lack of speed and large head/body make them easy to down from medium-long distance, kill via flanking or grenade spam. I melt Heavies with my Laser all day long. I can take out 1000 HP with my SMG before they can take out my 700 HP, just by dancing through the bullets. If I die to one, it's usually because I was an idiot or was already severely weakened.
Himiko Kuronaga MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN. 2068	Posted - 2013.10.30 05:12:00 - [59] - Quote THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Delta 749 wrote: Big glaring flaw in your argument You say "Remember when it took 2-4 guys to take down a heavy" and then say that what makes a good heavy dangerous is his playstyle Well that still applies, the ones that cry the most are the dumb fat kids that walk out into the open still expecting ** to be horribly unbalanced in their favor It should always always always only take one player to kill another player, needing several players to kill you solely by dint of your gear and not your playing ability is the definition of overpowered and pay to win, same with tanks So you're saying my playstyle and general "skill" is the difference between doing good, and having fun in Chromosome all the way up to Uprising 1.3? I can assure you, my playstyle with the heavy class remained the same, yet I get put down quicker than ever before. 1v1's in now a death sentence for a heavy instead of a win. You're saying it should take 1 player to kill a heavy? ... wow... no wonder why the class is where it's at these days, cuz of thinking like this. A class that's suppose to be tanked, and powerful, and should be able to get taken down by 1 player? Tell me, what's the purpose of a heavy then? Why would a team need this class when a medium suit does the job better? Your point of view is ignorant, and sounds like you've played CoD and BF a little too much...and this is coming from someone who played the crap out of BF3, and probably played it more than anyone here on the forums. Your losing 1v1s in a heavy suit to mediums? You're straight up garbage, theres no excuse for that. And you expect to never be taken out by a single enemy? Please sit the f* down. Fcking garbage players whining to get buffs. Fcking all these forums are nowadays. Scrubs getting raped by real players and making excuses. You sound angry. Did mom find your stash?
Nirwanda Vaughns Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 160	Posted - 2013.10.30 05:17:00 - [60] - Quote In all fairness to the guy though my gallente proto logi can chomp through some of the good heavy players out there. when the HP buff comes in the only thing that will make the hmg a great choice will be a sharpshooter skill to narrow the spray of bullets. also you kinda have to choose your situations. someone said if you want to put AR then just use medium suits, what if he doesn't have skills for a medium suit? the heavy AR suit is a great fit and if your running an AR on it then put complex damage mod, a gek or duvolle, 2 complex plates and 2 complex reppers and you have a pretty efficient killer. hell you could even just run 1 complex plate, 1 complex repper, green bottle and a red bottle to get you moving quicker. I use my templar sentinel with a toned down version of the fit and it works. there are maps where a HMG is pointless because its too spread out. having a longer range weapon like AR or ArScr on your heavy works a treat for those longer range maps and use your hmg in buildings and tunnels



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