DUST Search - A Call to Boycott The Heavy Class

TXSnowman wrote:

Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:

Remember when heavies were feared? Remember when you heard an HMG you would think twice about confronting a heavy? Remember when it took 2-4 guys to take down a heavy? Remember when the HMG was a beast? Pepperidge Farm remembers!

Like honestly, this struggle...

Since Uprising 1.0 I've been fighting to get the heavy class back to when they were feared. 1.2-1.3 Heavies were alright, and even gimped they had a chance of doing decent in competitive modes. What makes a heavy good in Uprising is not the weapon he uses or the suit, is his brain and how he thinks.

When a heavy does good it's because he played his arse off, not because he had an easy mode AR with him. Positioning is key and support from a logi, but even then, a logi is not a guarantee. A heavy's best friend is his way of thinking. When a class is no longer doing well IN SPITE OF his best asset, THEN THE CLASS HAS GONE TO CRAP! The HMG is too weak, and the suit's inability to tank or to resist any explosive spam is a joke! A class ( Amarr heavy suit) that's suppose to be "point defense" can't handle a nade or 2, yet people have 3 in their pocket, and the ability to sit on a hive and spam more??!! What kind of logic is this?

No matter how well a heavy is thinking in PC, he'll get put down by either a lucky nade due to nade spam, or 1 dude holding an AR with thumbs. When last has anyone heard "MAN THE HMG IS OP!!!!"... lol... last time i heard that was from the AR leet players from Chromosome. Since Uprising came out the HMG is a joke compared to what it was.

I don't know what suits we're getting in the near future, but if they don't fix the HMG, then it won't matter! What happen to the people that actually want to play this "point defense" role? What gun should they use? A shotgun? An AR? An SMG? All these weapons are better suited to CQC battles than the HMG is, due to their ACCURACY.

Feedback to make the class better? Here we go again:

- Decrease HMG bullet spread

- Increase DMG if you're not decreasing bullet spread

- A skill to reduce spread (FFS!)

- A skill for explosive resistance

- Reduce the headshot penalties on heavies! It's not hard to shoot their heads, they're only the size of a microwave.

- Small arms resistance (?) People brought this up many times

- If none of these ideas suit you and you're still thinking buffing eHP is the solution for everything, then increase it by 50-100% because 20% is nothing, honestly, that may as well not even be done because heavies will die just as fast.

So many things I want to go off on a tangent about on this game, but this heavy issue strikes home for me because it's my class, and the chosen class of quite a few players, and the treatment and the general disregard for the class is grinding my gears.

Medium class got all their suits, got a full range of ARs, got Scrambler Rifles, new AR variants on the way. Medium class gets eveything, cool, what about the other 2 classes in this game CCP?

WHAT ABOUT THE HEAVY?

WHAT ABOUT THE SCOUT?

You have 2 classes that may as well not exist in DUST.

Heavies should STOP USING THE CLASS. Time to put up or shut up. The fact that you're complaining about the class and continue to use it shows CCP you're willing to take whatever they throw your way. This 20% increase to eHP is not enough! How about 20% decrease in HMG bullet spread? Or 20% increase in DMG?

You're giving the class something it doesn't care to have and that nobody asked for!

STOP USING THE CLASS

Time to protest like we did at the start of Uprising.

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=72041

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=73100&find=unread

^ They made a difference, and now it's time to make a difference again.

Please link whatever thread you have that's relevant feedback or just a discussion on how to make this class better. I don't understand where CCP got this 20% increase to eHP buff from.

Edit: This will be my last Heavy thread. I'll be shamelessly bumping this thread everyday until CCP says something about the class, or I see something somewhere in some patch notes. If it gets locked, I'll make the same one, if I get banned, I'll create a new account.

I'd just like to point out that you have been, literally, making threads crying and complaining about heavies for what seems like a year now. Carry on.


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Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4312	Posted - 2013.10.29 22:17:00 - [1] - Quote Remember when heavies were feared? Remember when you heard an HMG you would think twice about confronting a heavy? Remember when it took 2-4 guys to take down a heavy? Remember when the HMG was a beast? Pepperidge Farm remembers! Like honestly, this struggle... Since Uprising 1.0 I've been fighting to get the heavy class back to when they were feared. 1.2-1.3 Heavies were alright, and even gimped they had a chance of doing decent in competitive modes. What makes a heavy good in Uprising is not the weapon he uses or the suit, is his brain and how he thinks. When a heavy does good it's because he played his arse off, not because he had an easy mode AR with him. Positioning is key and support from a logi, but even then, a logi is not a guarantee. A heavy's best friend is his way of thinking. When a class is no longer doing well IN SPITE OF his best asset, THEN THE CLASS HAS GONE TO CRAP! The HMG is too weak, and the suit's inability to tank or to resist any explosive spam is a joke! A class ( Amarr heavy suit) that's suppose to be "point defense" can't handle a nade or 2, yet people have 3 in their pocket, and the ability to sit on a hive and spam more??!! What kind of logic is this? No matter how well a heavy is thinking in PC, he'll get put down by either a lucky nade due to nade spam, or 1 dude holding an AR with thumbs. When last has anyone heard "MAN THE HMG IS OP!!!!"... lol... last time i heard that was from the AR leet players from Chromosome. Since Uprising came out the HMG is a joke compared to what it was. I don't know what suits we're getting in the near future, but if they don't fix the HMG, then it won't matter! What happen to the people that actually want to play this "point defense" role? What gun should they use? A shotgun? An AR? An SMG? All these weapons are better suited to CQC battles than the HMG is, due to their ACCURACY. Feedback to make the class better? Here we go again: - Decrease HMG bullet spread - Increase DMG if you're not decreasing bullet spread - A skill to reduce spread (FFS!) - A skill for explosive resistance - Reduce the headshot penalties on heavies! It's not hard to shoot their heads, they're only the size of a microwave. - Small arms resistance (?) People brought this up many times - If none of these ideas suit you and you're still thinking buffing eHP is the solution for everything, then increase it by 50-100% because 20% is nothing, honestly, that may as well not even be done because heavies will die just as fast. So many things I want to go off on a tangent about on this game, but this heavy issue strikes home for me because it's my class, and the chosen class of quite a few players, and the treatment and the general disregard for the class is grinding my gears. Medium class got all their suits, got a full range of ARs, got Scrambler Rifles, new AR variants on the way. Medium class gets eveything, cool, what about the other 2 classes in this game CCP? WHAT ABOUT THE HEAVY? WHAT ABOUT THE SCOUT? You have 2 classes that may as well not exist in DUST. Heavies should STOP USING THE CLASS. Time to put up or shut up. The fact that you're complaining about the class and continue to use it shows CCP you're willing to take whatever they throw your way. This 20% increase to eHP is not enough! How about 20% decrease in HMG bullet spread? Or 20% increase in DMG? You're giving the class something it doesn't care to have and that nobody asked for! STOP USING THE CLASS Time to protest like we did at the start of Uprising. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=72041 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=73100&find=unread ^ They made a difference, and now it's time to make a difference again. Please link whatever thread you have that's relevant feedback or just a discussion on how to make this class better. I don't understand where CCP got this 20% increase to eHP buff from. ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4316	Posted - 2013.10.29 22:32:00 - [2] - Quote Everything Dies wrote: Question: I haven't really used a heavy suit all that much, but why do heavies feel as though they have to use a heavy weapon? If the HMG isn't working very well, why not just throw on an AR? Then what's the point of a heavy suit when you can't use a heavy weapon? Some medium suits can tank almost as much as heavies do with much more mobility and equipment slots. ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4316	Posted - 2013.10.29 22:48:00 - [3] - Quote Flix Keptick wrote: How about using an ar with a heavy suit? The ultimate murder combo (until you run out of ammo that is) Only heavies that'll do this are heavies with no SP in another suit. I can't see why they would otherwise. Medium suit tank fits are great. So there's no reason to use a heavy suit with an AR when you have almost as much eHP as a heavy. ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4318	Posted - 2013.10.29 22:52:00 - [4] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Assert Dominance wrote: I pubstomp hard on my heavy alt, except ambush where its strictly long range combat, but thats just bad map design. Not so much bad map design as intelligent map design - forcing it so that you're not always going to be in your element. Adapt or die, yanno? true enough, but where's the medium suit + ARs element? oh that's right, everywhere, and it outperforms everything too. So in reality, the heavy suit + HMG has no element in a competitive game, except on a rooftop with a FG. ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4318	Posted - 2013.10.29 22:55:00 - [5] - Quote XxWarlordxX97 wrote: When the HEAVY was a beast , love it yo...before Chromosome the heavy was a beast...then it slowly went from a lion to a house cat. ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4319	Posted - 2013.10.29 23:04:00 - [6] - Quote XxWarlordxX97 wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: XxWarlordxX97 wrote: When the HEAVY was a beast , love it yo...before Chromosome the heavy was a beast...then it slowly went from a lion to a house cat. It was awesome,But I'm still running it and still have fun Medium + AR is more fun for me. Since 1.4 at least. ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4320	Posted - 2013.10.29 23:57:00 - [7] - Quote TXSnowman wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Remember when heavies were feared? Remember when you heard an HMG you would think twice about confronting a heavy? Remember when it took 2-4 guys to take down a heavy? Remember when the HMG was a beast? Pepperidge Farm remembers! Like honestly, this struggle... Since Uprising 1.0 I've been fighting to get the heavy class back to when they were feared. 1.2-1.3 Heavies were alright, and even gimped they had a chance of doing decent in competitive modes. What makes a heavy good in Uprising is not the weapon he uses or the suit, is his brain and how he thinks. When a heavy does good it's because he played his arse off, not because he had an easy mode AR with him. Positioning is key and support from a logi, but even then, a logi is not a guarantee. A heavy's best friend is his way of thinking. When a class is no longer doing well IN SPITE OF his best asset, THEN THE CLASS HAS GONE TO CRAP! The HMG is too weak, and the suit's inability to tank or to resist any explosive spam is a joke! A class ( Amarr heavy suit) that's suppose to be "point defense" can't handle a nade or 2, yet people have 3 in their pocket, and the ability to sit on a hive and spam more??!! What kind of logic is this? No matter how well a heavy is thinking in PC, he'll get put down by either a lucky nade due to nade spam, or 1 dude holding an AR with thumbs. When last has anyone heard "MAN THE HMG IS OP!!!!"... lol... last time i heard that was from the AR leet players from Chromosome. Since Uprising came out the HMG is a joke compared to what it was. I don't know what suits we're getting in the near future, but if they don't fix the HMG, then it won't matter! What happen to the people that actually want to play this "point defense" role? What gun should they use? A shotgun? An AR? An SMG? All these weapons are better suited to CQC battles than the HMG is, due to their ACCURACY. Feedback to make the class better? Here we go again: - Decrease HMG bullet spread - Increase DMG if you're not decreasing bullet spread - A skill to reduce spread (FFS!) - A skill for explosive resistance - Reduce the headshot penalties on heavies! It's not hard to shoot their heads, they're only the size of a microwave. - Small arms resistance (?) People brought this up many times - If none of these ideas suit you and you're still thinking buffing eHP is the solution for everything, then increase it by 50-100% because 20% is nothing, honestly, that may as well not even be done because heavies will die just as fast. So many things I want to go off on a tangent about on this game, but this heavy issue strikes home for me because it's my class, and the chosen class of quite a few players, and the treatment and the general disregard for the class is grinding my gears. Medium class got all their suits, got a full range of ARs, got Scrambler Rifles, new AR variants on the way. Medium class gets eveything, cool, what about the other 2 classes in this game CCP? WHAT ABOUT THE HEAVY? WHAT ABOUT THE SCOUT? You have 2 classes that may as well not exist in DUST. Heavies should STOP USING THE CLASS. Time to put up or shut up. The fact that you're complaining about the class and continue to use it shows CCP you're willing to take whatever they throw your way. This 20% increase to eHP is not enough! How about 20% decrease in HMG bullet spread? Or 20% increase in DMG? You're giving the class something it doesn't care to have and that nobody asked for! STOP USING THE CLASS Time to protest like we did at the start of Uprising. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=72041 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=73100&find=unread ^ They made a difference, and now it's time to make a difference again. Please link whatever thread you have that's relevant feedback or just a discussion on how to make this class better. I don't understand where CCP got this 20% increase to eHP buff from. Edit: This will be my last Heavy thread. I'll be shamelessly bumping this thread everyday until CCP says something about the class, or I see something somewhere in some patch notes. If it gets locked, I'll make the same one, if I get banned, I'll create a new account. I'd just like to point out that you have been, literally, making threads crying and complaining about heavies for what seems like a year now. Carry on. and I'll continue to cry, moan, ***** about it till it gets to where it needs to be. At the start of Uprising I complained, and so did many others, HMG got a buff. I got quiet with an outburst now and then. Uprising 1.4 came out, and heavy + HMG went to poop, so here i am again. Don't like to read about people crying? Protip: Don't read the thread Thanks for your contribution in pointing out a useless, meaningless point of view. ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4322	Posted - 2013.10.30 00:07:00 - [8] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Boycotting wont get the developers to notice sadly. Well making endless threads crying about it might, so I might do just that. ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4336	Posted - 2013.10.30 03:12:00 - [9] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: Lance you're starting to sound like a broken record. Fatties need love. We know. The community knows. CCP knows. We need more weapons. We need more suits. We need more survivability. These issues have been established for months. So have a multitude of others. If you're so UP just stop using the suits for crying out loud. CCP knows? Honestly CCP give me the impression they don't know anything. They know but heavies get a 150 HP buff? I guess that's their idea of cracking a joke, because I'm pretty sure nobody asked for 150 extra HP over the past couple months. I don't care if I sound like a broken record. If people want to sit back and think to themselves "CCP knows" then they're free to do so. I've been here since early closed beta, so I don't go by this optimistic approach that you seem to have. No offense intended. I'm as cynical as they get. So until I see changes, I'll continue to cry and moan and repeat myself. If nobody stood up at the start of Uprising, chances are the devs won't have noticed the HMG got nerfed by 40% and not 20% as intended. Only when people cried about how bad it was did they do something about it. ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4340	Posted - 2013.10.30 03:32:00 - [10] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: Big glaring flaw in your argument You say "Remember when it took 2-4 guys to take down a heavy" and then say that what makes a good heavy dangerous is his playstyle Well that still applies, the ones that cry the most are the dumb fat kids that walk out into the open still expecting ** to be horribly unbalanced in their favor It should always always always only take one player to kill another player, needing several players to kill you solely by dint of your gear and not your playing ability is the definition of overpowered and pay to win, same ** with tanks So you're saying my playstyle and general "skill" is the difference between doing good, and having fun in Chromosome all the way up to Uprising 1.3? I can assure you, my playstyle with the heavy class remained the same, yet I get put down quicker than ever before. 1v1's in now a death sentence for a heavy instead of a win. You're saying it should take 1 player to kill a heavy? ... wow... no wonder why the class is where it's at these days, cuz of thinking like this. A class that's suppose to be tanked, and powerful, and should be able to get taken down by 1 player? Tell me, what's the purpose of a heavy then? Why would a team need this class when a medium suit does the job better? Your point of view is ignorant, and sounds like you've played CoD and BF a little too much...and this is coming from someone who played the crap out of BF3, and probably played it more than anyone here on the forums. ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"

Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4360	Posted - 2013.10.30 05:26:00 - [11] - Quote THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: If you think heavies suck you're a ***** garbage player, ridiculously garbage. Maybe its experience from my heavy days in chrome, but every time i put on my ADV fat suit im going 10+ KDRs, EVERY TIME. Its called knowing how to cover your weaknesses. Heavies & the HMG will rip apart EVERY single class in cqc, if you're losing to proto suits with ARs @ close range its not the heavy, ITS YOU. If you can't aim with the HMG, it aint the HMG, ITS YOU. Only things heavys get raped by in their CQC niche is grenades, but grenades EVERTHING not just heavys. If youre not doing these things you're garbo as a heavy- stay to cities and indoors, open fields are a no no for every suit. use a weapon for the map, laser heavys are better for open field maps dont get outnumbered, all suits get raped by multiple militia ARs save your nades for corner popping nade spammers for unexpected retaliation avoid being by yourself unless you know the enemy is too, 1v1 you beat any suit. have a good LAV to make up for your mobility. those may seem obvious but if you do them you'll ** 24/7 guaranteed. every match. EDIT* OH and most of the players on dust ARE garbage so....not suprising! Not using the heavy class now, so your input is as meaningless as my input in scout suits ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4360	Posted - 2013.10.30 05:28:00 - [12] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: Im sorry but your reply just gives evidence you playing badly, if before when the suit could survive multiple opponents you were doing fine compared to now when its a little more balanced where you are losing 1 v 1 consistently then the problem really does lie with you, after all you are in a suit with more health than others with every single weapon available to you As for the heavy medium comparison lets break it down a little I have a proto medium frame suit with 4 high and 3 lows, stacking my module slots with 4 complex extenders 2 basic plates and an armor rep I still fall a few EHP short of a MILITIA heavy suit with nothing in its slots Bump that up to a standard heavy suit and Im still in the 800s while the heavy is over a thousand again with no modules on the heavy Heavies get a huge health lead on medium suits without having to fit heavies and for us to get close we sacrifice pretty much everything to stack EHP and still fall short while you guys still have modules to work with Slow speed? Oh I guess Ill just stack some kincats while retaining greater health than a medium closing my disadvantage gap HMG complaints fall of deaf ears since the devs have come right out and said its supposed to be close range point defense not trundle out into the open kill everyone, you want that demand the laser cannon or whatever its going to be and I will support you every step since heavy suits do have limited heavy weapons and neither of those is a good mid range option Actually on the topics of weapons and you complaining about power heavies have the forge gun and the militia version of that blaps all but other heavies stacked with just complex plates and extenders but thats a terrible idea So yeah, heavies already have a lot of advantages with their biggest drawback being a lack of a medium range heavy weapon option and everyone that cries "Waaaaah I need more health and should have fire arm resistance and it should take four players to kill me" shows real scrub colors since they need such a big buffer to compensate for their poor ability Honestly not going to read this. I started to but meh. Clearly you don't use the class, but telling a seasoned DUST / FPS player how to use a class? lol.. good one. Thank you, come again. ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4360	Posted - 2013.10.30 05:29:00 - [13] - Quote Sleepy Zan wrote: Lance how long will this continue? Its time to quiet heavies. ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4364	Posted - 2013.10.30 09:06:00 - [14] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: Translation: I cant think of a good comeback so Im going to play the "I R teh seasoned guy" against someone thats played this game for months and months and has been playing FPS games since Wolfenstein 3d But since you seem to only be able to hand a few lines at a time Ill ask short questions, if you are so seasoned how come you keep dying in situations where you have the advantage? Me? Not comeback with a comeback? LOL! If I read your **** I would have bothered to say something relevant, but your TL;DR post to say something that you just said, AND CONTINUE to say, does not interest me. Advantage? lol... when I use my Gallente medium suit + Duvolle I do better in CQC situations than the heavy. I've ALWAYS been a dual role character, but my main role is heavy, so I know both sides of the game. I've been heavy since early Chromosome, so some nobody telling me how I should play my class could stfu AFAIC. Before PC i had a 9 KD, and after 2-3 wars, and endless PC games I'm at a 5KD... if you wanna go on stats to compare epeens. So take your "this is how you should play your class" elsewhere. ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4397	Posted - 2013.11.03 22:46:00 - [15] - Quote Been away for a couple days. I'm happy to see the replies in the thread, but disappointed no dev commented in it. I'll keep bumping this when I can. I'll try to make it an everyday thing. Bout time heavies get a nod of recognition that the class is in a bad state. ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4398	Posted - 2013.11.03 23:19:00 - [16] - Quote GET ATMESON wrote: Lets see how this new eHP helps. I put down 5mill ISK it wont help anything. I'll put 500 million it won't. The buff is a complete joke. 150 more eHP? lol Some people don't realize that ARs will eat through that in 3-5 bullets, which for a fully auto gun with a high ROF, is nothing to do. No point in living a little longer if the HMG is still poop. So i don't get their logic in buffing HP. ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4410	Posted - 2013.11.04 20:01:00 - [17] - Quote shameless bump ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4413	Posted - 2013.11.05 17:12:00 - [18] - Quote can we get a comment from a dev? ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4444	Posted - 2013.11.08 18:27:00 - [19] - Quote another shameless bump in hopes a dev reply. ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4466	Posted - 2013.11.11 19:19:00 - [20] - Quote another shameless bump... ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"