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Alpha 443-6732
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Posted - 2013.11.04 02:23:00 -
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What do you guys think of this suggestion?
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1460012#post1460012
AV =/= Completely dominate and render vehicles useless. AV = Counterpart of vehicles that combats vehicles.
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Powerh8er
Norwegian Dust514 Corporation
Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.11.04 02:58:00 -
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Completely idiotic, the *heavy* aspect to a machine gun is useally to describe a much larger caliber round in comparison to other weapons aswell as the weight to the gun.
The gun weighs 60 kilos in the description and in comparison to the Browning 50. cal machinegun that weighs 55 kilos has the former longest recorded kill with a scope fitted to it. (2,092 meters by U.S. Marine sniper Carlos Hathcock in 1967).
What he suggest is not what i want by a long shot, i personally want the HMG to be very good from medium to long range, but hard to use in CQC, like the forge gun more or less.
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Alpha 443-6732
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Posted - 2013.11.04 03:00:00 -
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Powerh8er wrote:Completely idiotic, the *heavy* aspect to a machine gun is useally to describe a much larger caliber round in comparison to other weapons aswell as the weight to the gun. The gun weighs 60 kilos in the description and in comparison to the Browning 50. cal machinegun that weighs 55 kilos has the former longest recorded kill with a scope fitted to it. (2,092 meters by U.S. Marine sniper Carlos Hathcock in 1967). What he suggest is not what i want by a long shot, i personally want the HMG to be very good from medium to long range, but hard to use in CQC, like the forge gun more or less.
I suggest you guys keep an eye on that thread, I am trying to explain the fundamental purpose of heavy weapons and the other guys don't seem to get it...
AV =/= Completely dominate and render vehicles useless. AV = Counterpart of vehicles that combats vehicles.
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Powerh8er
Norwegian Dust514 Corporation
Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.11.04 03:24:00 -
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Alpha 443-6732 wrote:Powerh8er wrote:Completely idiotic, the *heavy* aspect to a machine gun is useally to describe a much larger caliber round in comparison to other weapons aswell as the weight to the gun. The gun weighs 60 kilos in the description and in comparison to the Browning 50. cal machinegun that weighs 55 kilos has the former longest recorded kill with a scope fitted to it. (2,092 meters by U.S. Marine sniper Carlos Hathcock in 1967). What he suggest is not what i want by a long shot, i personally want the HMG to be very good from medium to long range, but hard to use in CQC, like the forge gun more or less. I suggest you guys keep an eye on that thread, I am trying to explain the fundamental purpose of heavy weapons and the other guys don't seem to get it...
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Borne Velvalor
Endless Hatred
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Posted - 2013.11.04 03:25:00 -
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I know this sounds hilarious, but this is one area where Dust 514 needs to look at CoD. I used LMGs (I know this game has HMGs, but they should fill the role of LMGs) and loved the MK48, using it mostly exclusively. Why? Because although it took longer to kill someone, it had a huge magazine, great accuracy and a nearly infinite range, with amazing wall penetration. Did this make it OP? No, many players still thought it was UP due to the nature of CoD. It was a beast of a suppression weapon, because it could kill enemies with fast, accurate, long range fire if they ran out of cover like an idiot or tried to hide behind a few planks of wood, with few openings to escape due to the large clip. If you saw LMG rounds flying next to you, you stayed in cover and found a way around, sent someone to flank them or sniped them.
Right now Heavies are short range support. Instead of the guy in heavy armor carrying a big machine gun suppressing and controlling the movements of the enemy, or camping over looking a choke point and mowing people down, we have Heavies with SMGs crossed with Shotguns.
What do you think the role of a HMG is in a war? Do you think the guy with a mounted HMG can only kill enemies that stick their faces 10m in front of the barrel of the gun? No.
Wikicrapia wrote:These weapons are designed to provide increased range, penetration and destructive power against vehicles, buildings, aircraft and light fortifications beyond the standard rifle calibers used in medium or general-purpose machine guns, or the intermediate cartridges used in light machine guns. In this sense, the "heavy" aspect of the weapon refers to its superior power and range over light- and medium-caliber weapons, in addition to its weight.
What did we get? A weapon with INFERIOR range, power AND accuracy with, obviously, NO penetration. Oh, boy. Just what the doctor ordered. You know what happens when you try to suppress me with your HMG? I laugh. The only time I'm not laughing is when you get in a LLAV, park 2m away from me, hop out and mow me down. Come on. You could've used any weapon for that. I suppress more enemies with my Laser Rifle than the average Heavy does with their HMG.
The HMG is not a Shotgun and it's not a stronger SMG with a far worse spread. CCP needs to stop treating it like one. This will not be solved when the new guns are released, because then we'll have guns with double the current Assault Rifle optimum range dealing Assault Rifle damage. The Rail Rifle is more of an HMG than an HMG is. Honestly, Heavies will be better off using those.
Many suits I've worn, many burdens I've borne, for the oaths I've sworn.
Panda.
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Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.11.04 20:01:00 -
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shameless bump
( ._.) <('.'<)
"There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
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Borne Velvalor
Endless Hatred
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Posted - 2013.11.05 04:33:00 -
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I must've killed a dozen Heavies with HMGs today. I scan them, lase them, they waddle back into cover, then immediately get a perfectly cooked grenade served to them by me or a teammate. Cooked grenades are high on damage AND calories; it's why they're so Heavy.
Many suits I've worn, many burdens I've borne, for the oaths I've sworn.
Panda.
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GET ATMESON
Dem Durrty Boyz
Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.11.05 09:18:00 -
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Borne Velvalor wrote:I must've killed a dozen Heavies with HMGs today. I scan them, lase them, they waddle back into cover, then immediately get a perfectly cooked grenade served to them by me or a teammate. Cooked grenades are high on damage AND calories; it's why they're so Heavy.
Its because we think they are food and you have it. If you dont kill them in time they will eat you instead
Good thing Dust514 is free. I would have returned it along time ago.
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Powerh8er
Norwegian Dust514 Corporation
Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.11.05 09:29:00 -
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Killed a few heavies today myself with my scrubby assault alt char, shot them in the back and because their turn speed is the same as a 120 year old elephant they all died before me.
Still boycotting my heavy main char.  |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.11.05 17:12:00 -
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can we get a comment from a dev?
( ._.) <('.'<)
"There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
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Powerh8er
Norwegian Dust514 Corporation
Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.11.05 19:14:00 -
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Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:can we get a comment from a dev?
Not bloody likely. |
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
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Posted - 2013.11.05 19:28:00 -
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DO NOT BUFF THE HMG
Give the heavies more weapons.
Seriously though, if you buff the HMG then it would give CCP an excuse to not add more heavy weapons
Current Game State:
Grenadier 514
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Vane Arcadia
Clones 4u
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Posted - 2013.11.05 19:36:00 -
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Sadly my boycott of the heavy turned into a boycott of Dust. I played heavy all through beta and on the whole I loved it. After the last patch it just stopped being fun, and I found myself playing less. Now I realise I haven't logged in in close to 3 weeks. Its not like I am playing anything else.
I used to (half) jokingly tell friends who came to Dust CCP hates heavies, but actually I think its worse than that. CCP are indifferent to heavies.
I look in at the forums every couple of weeks to see if there is any news of interest to get me playing again which is why I am here now today.
Guess nowt has changed. |
Shijima Kuraimaru
WarRavens
League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.11.05 21:47:00 -
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Atiim wrote:DO NOT BUFF THE HMG
Give the heavies more weapons.
Seriously though, if you buff the HMG then it would give CCP an excuse to not add more heavy weapons
So you want to keep the high rate of fire and range of a weak SMG with the shotgun spread? You sound like one of the ant-heavy crowd with statements like that. |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.11.08 18:27:00 -
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another shameless bump in hopes a dev reply.
( ._.) <('.'<)
"There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
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XxWarlordxX97
Ancient Exiles
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Posted - 2013.11.08 20:13:00 -
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Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:another shameless bump in hopes a dev reply.
Its the nade spamers that need to go
Level 5 forum warrior
Minmatar rule
Warrior of bacon
and defender of the bacon
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GTA V FTW
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Posted - 2013.11.08 20:18:00 -
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Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:another shameless bump in hopes a dev reply.
Never going to happen!
CCP = FPS noobs
Meh, broke game will always be broke.
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Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.11.11 19:19:00 -
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another shameless bump...
( ._.) <('.'<)
"There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
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WAR-MONGER SLAUGHTER
Unkn0wn Killers
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Posted - 2013.11.11 19:46:00 -
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we need more heavy weapons ... or range or damage buff ASAP
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=120183&find=unread
WAR-MONGER SLAUGHTER ... THE GOD HEAVY
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WAR-MONGER SLAUGHTER
Unkn0wn Killers
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Posted - 2013.11.11 19:51:00 -
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Atiim wrote:DO NOT BUFF THE HMG
Give the heavies more weapons.
Seriously though, if you buff the HMG then it would give CCP an excuse to not add more heavy weapons
either or ... https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=120183&find=unread
WAR-MONGER SLAUGHTER ... THE GOD HEAVY
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Spectral Clone
Dust2Dust.
Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.11.11 19:54:00 -
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Devs are very quiet on the forums regarding TTK.. what up dudes?
+¦-damage specialist since Sep ´13.
CCP please make our decisions matter.
"AR 514. Core Locus 514. Bricktank 514."
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Jastad
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
196
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Posted - 2013.11.11 20:10:00 -
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After a long time i took my proto A.Logi with SCR or AR and go with it.
As many claim, the problem lies in BOTH the weapon and the suit.
We have a weapon that need to choose carefully the engagement
We have a suit that made not to engage, but to withstand enemy engage.
CCP Please, Choose one: If you choose the first change the HMG spread,rof ( Standard version 3000 ) and turn back the HMG skill to overheat bonus, so we can use the burst again.
if you choose the second approach, please give us more weapon.
...and may the FORGE be with you.
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Rusty Shallows
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Posted - 2013.11.17 05:19:00 -
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Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:snip
Feedback to make the class better? Here we go again:
- Decrease HMG bullet spread
- Increase DMG if you're not decreasing bullet spread
- A skill to reduce spread (FFS!)
- A skill for explosive resistance
- Reduce the headshot penalties on heavies! It's not hard to shoot their heads, they're only the size of a microwave.
- Small arms resistance (?) People brought this up many times
- If none of these ideas suit you and you're still thinking buffing eHP is the solution for everything, then increase it by 50-100% because 20% is nothing, honestly, that may as well not even be done because heavies will die just as fast.
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After trying out the extra buffer (mad props to whomever pushed for it), the last bonus SP event, and squading with people who don't care if they get stomped. The next solution is to change the head hit-box to a regular area for damage purposes. The slowness of the suit, size of the hitbox, and the slowing while using certain weapons has basically broken any balance head-shots had.
The only times my heavy suit has worked is when I'm in full control of the engagement. That means either FGing on a moderately high structure in an area that isn't being contested by mid-range weapons or driving around in my cherry LAV doing Red Barren attacks and hoping the other guy doesn't have a good gun-game.
Forget the grind-fest combats. My fits will always cost more than a BPO Medium Frame and BPO AR/ScR, both of which out DPS me in most situations anyways.
As things stand I to have to AFK just cover losses. Whoever is the supposed economist on staff has failed.
Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:WHAT ABOUT THE HEAVY?
WHAT ABOUT THE SCOUT?
You have 2 classes that may as well not exist in DUST.
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Speaking of the scouts. Tried out my 3+ million Skill Point dedicated Nova Knifer the other day. Wow, I had to earn those kills and everything except direct sunlight was killing me. Sneaking up on someone is harder now that many people are doing 360-scans.
All light frames need to have the current skins replaced with shiny black latex and zippers in unusual places.
"She may not be Miss Right but she'll do right now," Thank you SR-71
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