I have a heavy alt, iv never been able to establish if the assault hmg does what it states, is it better for longer range? What are its benefits?

Remember when heavies were feared? Remember when you heard an HMG you would think twice about confronting a heavy? Remember when it took 2-4 guys to take down a heavy? Remember when the HMG was a beast? Pepperidge Farm remembers!

Like honestly, this struggle...

Since Uprising 1.0 I've been fighting to get the heavy class back to when they were feared. 1.2-1.3 Heavies were alright, and even gimped they had a chance of doing decent in competitive modes. What makes a heavy good in Uprising is not the weapon he uses or the suit, is his brain and how he thinks.

When a heavy does good it's because he played his arse off, not because he had an easy mode AR with him. Positioning is key and support from a logi, but even then, a logi is not a guarantee. A heavy's best friend is his way of thinking. When a class is no longer doing well IN SPITE OF his best asset, THEN THE CLASS HAS GONE TO CRAP! The HMG is too weak, and the suit's inability to tank or to resist any explosive spam is a joke! A class ( Amarr heavy suit) that's suppose to be "point defense" can't handle a nade or 2, yet people have 3 in their pocket, and the ability to sit on a hive and spam more??!! What kind of logic is this?

No matter how well a heavy is thinking in PC, he'll get put down by either a lucky nade due to nade spam, or 1 dude holding an AR with thumbs. When last has anyone heard "MAN THE HMG IS OP!!!!"... lol... last time i heard that was from the AR leet players from Chromosome. Since Uprising came out the HMG is a joke compared to what it was.

I don't know what suits we're getting in the near future, but if they don't fix the HMG, then it won't matter! What happen to the people that actually want to play this "point defense" role? What gun should they use? A shotgun? An AR? An SMG? All these weapons are better suited to CQC battles than the HMG is, due to their ACCURACY.

Feedback to make the class better? Here we go again:

- Decrease HMG bullet spread

- Increase DMG if you're not decreasing bullet spread

- A skill to reduce spread (FFS!)

- A skill for explosive resistance

- Reduce the headshot penalties on heavies! It's not hard to shoot their heads, they're only the size of a microwave.

- Small arms resistance (?) People brought this up many times

- If none of these ideas suit you and you're still thinking buffing eHP is the solution for everything, then increase it by 50-100% because 20% is nothing, honestly, that may as well not even be done because heavies will die just as fast.

So many things I want to go off on a tangent about on this game, but this heavy issue strikes home for me because it's my class, and the chosen class of quite a few players, and the treatment and the general disregard for the class is grinding my gears.

Medium class got all their suits, got a full range of ARs, got Scrambler Rifles, new AR variants on the way. Medium class gets eveything, cool, what about the other 2 classes in this game CCP?

WHAT ABOUT THE HEAVY?

WHAT ABOUT THE SCOUT?

You have 2 classes that may as well not exist in DUST.

Heavies should STOP USING THE CLASS. Time to put up or shut up. The fact that you're complaining about the class and continue to use it shows CCP you're willing to take whatever they throw your way. This 20% increase to eHP is not enough! How about 20% decrease in HMG bullet spread? Or 20% increase in DMG?

You're giving the class something it doesn't care to have and that nobody asked for!

STOP USING THE CLASS

Time to protest like we did at the start of Uprising.

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=72041

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=73100&find=unread

^ They made a difference, and now it's time to make a difference again.

Please link whatever thread you have that's relevant feedback or just a discussion on how to make this class better. I don't understand where CCP got this 20% increase to eHP buff from.

Edit: This will be my last Heavy thread. I'll be shamelessly bumping this thread everyday until CCP says something about the class, or I see something somewhere in some patch notes. If it gets locked, I'll make the same one, if I get banned, I'll create a new account.

This is what I expected the heavie to be when I first read the discription in the game:

3D Mark 06 - Graphics Test 1: Return to Proxycon (HD)

At 1:30 all Hell breaks loose for the defenders...

It even shows how such a powerful heavie would be balanced. The power of the weapon would make moving while firing impossible. The heavy has to brace the weapon, so movement apart from turning for a limited angle (say 90-¦) would be impossible! This turning would be slow.
A charged shot (Forge Gun) would mean no turning at all (we have that already for the Breach Forge Gun).

It would also be necessary to tank the heavy even further, to make him a sitting but tough duck.

Also take away his sidearm, if he puts on the heavy weapon. This would make it impossible for him to run without support (Logi, Assault).

This heavy would need a special transport (doesn't fit in an LAV so no murder taxi)...

What do you guys think...

Cheers
Mad

I've said it before and I'll say it again:

The problem with the HMG is that they are forcing it to be a "Short range suppression weapon".

This is oxymoronic.

By it's inherent nature an HMG should not be a short range high dispersion weapon! It should be a med to med-long range low dispersion high damage weapon. (Real Life HMGs have twice the Range of an AR with greater accuracy see GE M134 Minigun.)

Suppression means keeping the enemy out, away, pinned down, restricted to cover. If my enemy is able to get within his own striking distance long before he is in mine, have I suppressed my enemy? The answer is no!

The problem occurs with balance. CCP has apparently tried to balance a Heavy Anti-infantry weapon against a Light Anti-Infantry Weapon, with terrible results.

The Light Infantry Assault should be the most versatile, and it is. It is able to deal Decent damage, carry Equipment, Sidearms, and Explosives, as well as have decent survivability. This is currently the case, so no real problems there.

The Heavy Infantry Sentinel should be dealing the Highest DPS (in practice, not only on paper) and have significantly more Tank/TTK, but require support from light infantry. Currently the only one of these Heavies can claim is requiring support from light infantry. This is where the problem lies.

The HMG: We currently have a weapon which requires Heavies to let Light infantry get danger close before we can even think about engaging. The HMG should be able to hold Light infantry at bay, forcing them to use tactics/specialist weapons to Counter such as flanking, or stealth using Shotguns, Knova Knives, Mass Drivers Tactical Rifles, etc. Instead The Poor range and poor dispersion of the HMG allows even shotgun users to sprint directly up to Heavies and pop off 2 shots to drop, before the HMG even reaches it's optimal killing potential. Ranged Light Weapons simply have to Stay outside an HMG's optimal range, and score a few headshots.

The best counter to an HMG Heavy should not be Light Infantry with an Assault Rifle!!!

I know that statement is upsetting to more than a few, but it is true nonetheless!

The HMG should be viable enough to defend the slow, very large Dropsuit required to wield it.

This means engaging at range. There is no other way to make the Heavy Dropsuit viable. Once an enemy has closed distance on a Heavy, the heavy doesn't stand a chance. Heavies simply do not have the maneuvering capabilities to make it a viable CQC Dropsuit.

In order to fix the problem with the Heavy Dropsuit, the HMG must become what it is inherently meant to be. A long range, High Damage Med. Dispersion, Suppression Weapon.

If you guys got a decent LLAV you wouldn't hate being a heavy/hmg so much.

Lets see how this new eHP helps. I put down 5mill ISK it wont help anything.

What this guy said

Medium + AR is more fun for me. Since 1.4 at least.

Lance is correct with whatever he said... give the HMG a SS skill and 50% more range or damage

This is what I expected the heavie to be when I first read the discription in the game:

3D Mark 06 - Graphics Test 1: Return to Proxycon (HD)

At 1:30 all Hell breaks loose for the defenders...

It even shows how such a powerful heavie would be balanced. The power of the weapon would make moving while firing impossible. The heavy has to brace the weapon, so movement apart from turning for a limited angle (say 90-¦) would be impossible! This turning would be slow.
A charged shot (Forge Gun) would mean no turning at all (we have that already for the Breach Forge Gun).

It would also be necessary to tank the heavy even further, to make him a sitting but tough duck.

Also take away his sidearm, if he puts on the heavy weapon. This would make it impossible for him to run without support (Logi, Assault).

This heavy would need a special transport (doesn't fit in an LAV so no murder taxi)...

What do you guys think...

Cheers
Mad

I approve