If you think heavies suck you're a ******* garbage player, ridiculously garbage.
Maybe its experience from my heavy days in chrome, but every time i put on my ADV fat suit im going 10+ KDRs, EVERY TIME. Its called knowing how to cover your weaknesses. Heavies & the HMG will rip apart EVERY single class in cqc, if you're losing to proto suits with ARs @ close range its not the heavy, ITS YOU. If you can't aim with the HMG, it aint the HMG, ITS YOU.
Only things heavys get raped by in their CQC niche is grenades, but grenades **** EVERTHING not just heavys.
If youre not doing these things you're garbo as a heavy-
stay to cities and indoors, open fields are a no no for every suit.
use a weapon for the map, laser heavys are better for open field maps
dont get outnumbered, all suits get raped by multiple militia ARs
save your nades for corner popping nade spammers for unexpected retaliation
avoid being by yourself unless you know the enemy is too, 1v1 you beat any suit.
have a good LAV to make up for your mobility.

those may seem obvious but if you do them you'll **** 24/7 guaranteed. every match.
EDIT* OH and most of the players on dust ARE garbage so....not suprising!

Im sorry but your reply just gives evidence you playing badly, if before when the suit could survive multiple opponents you were doing fine compared to now when its a little more balanced where you are losing 1 v 1 consistently then the problem really does lie with you, after all you are in a suit with more health than others with every single weapon available to you

As for the heavy medium comparison lets break it down a little
I have a proto medium frame suit with 4 high and 3 lows, stacking my module slots with 4 complex extenders 2 basic plates and an armor rep I still fall a few EHP short of a MILITIA heavy suit with nothing in its slots
Bump that up to a standard heavy suit and Im still in the 800s while the heavy is over a thousand again with no modules on the heavy

Heavies get a huge health lead on medium suits without having to fit heavies and for us to get close we sacrifice pretty much everything to stack EHP and still fall short while you guys still have modules to work with
Slow speed? Oh I guess Ill just stack some kincats while retaining greater health than a medium closing my disadvantage gap
HMG complaints fall of deaf ears since the devs have come right out and said its supposed to be close range point defense not trundle out into the open kill everyone, you want that demand the laser cannon or whatever its going to be and I will support you every step since heavy suits do have limited heavy weapons and neither of those is a good mid range option
Actually on the topics of weapons and you complaining about power heavies have the forge gun and the militia version of that blaps all but other heavies stacked with just complex plates and extenders but thats a terrible idea

So yeah, heavies already have a lot of advantages with their biggest drawback being a lack of a medium range heavy weapon option and everyone that cries "Waaaaah I need more health and should have fire arm resistance and it should take four players to kill me" shows real scrub colors since they need such a big buffer to compensate for their poor ability

Lance how long will this continue? Its time to quiet heavies.

The best thing that can happen for heavies right now is the release of missing content. You can't properly balance the class if you are missing 75% of its filling. If 1.7 hasn't just been a huge tease, you will begin to see improvements in Janurary, which will be roughly the time of 1.8, when they will change and fix the massively disrupted balance that 1.7 will undoubtedly produce.

That's the closest thing to a pep talk that I can come up with.

The biggest weakness to the heavy is the fact that it can't dodge bullets like the other suits.

1000 ehp as a medium frame isn't the same as 1000 ehp as a heavy.

Problem 1: Guns just kill players way too fast now. What ever happened to the long battles that we had in the closed beta? part of the reason I liked this game was because it was more like halo...not CoD.

Problem 2: The HMG was fine in chromosome, and for some reason CCP thought it was better to change it when they brought it to uprising, along with the other range nerfs.

Problem 3: Type-II heavy suit is gone. I agree that the amarr suits should have a lower slot count, and should be more about dual tanking with a slight preference to armor...but we need a shield heavy. The most logical one would be the Caldari Heavy since we only have caldari medium suits. Having a slot loadout of 3H/2L for basic and 4H/1L for sentinel would be a good balance.

The amarr suit is usually the slowest in the game, but it also has the most ehp. The Caldari suits are usually medium speed and shield focused. So not only will they be faster, but they won't have to slow themseleves down in order to give themselves a higher ehp with armor plates. Instead the low slots could be fitted with sprint mods or shield regulators to keep them quick.

With the added versatility, resistance to explosions, and large regenerating shield, it would give players the option to play as a more agressive heavy instead of the defensive amarr one we have now.

Well making endless threads crying about it might, so I might do just that.

It's really depressing just how right they both are.

One of the truly worst elements to this game has been basing nerfs on politics instead of data. When players can sit post-match and easily match Name/KDRs/Weapon relationships then it doesn't look good on the Devs who have even more in-depth data available.


As for the main topic goes the active protest is the way to go. Endless forum posts that may not move the Devs but at least warn newer players from making a potentially bad mistake. If we can get enough angry fatties together I would suggest squading up and lizard lounging on the MCC. BS on coms, drink beer or take shots and talk about things that have no relation to Dust 514. To be fair to the team post in chat and attempted one warning on voiced comms.

Honestly not going to read this. I started to but meh.

Clearly you don't use the class, but telling a seasoned DUST / FPS player how to use a class? lol.. good one.

Thank you, come again.

Translation: I cant think of a good comeback so Im going to play the "I R teh seasoned guy" against someone thats played this game for months and months and has been playing FPS games since Wolfenstein 3d

But since you seem to only be able to hand a few lines at a time Ill ask short questions, if you are so seasoned how come you keep dying in situations where you have the advantage?

If heavies have such an advantage, why is CCP buffing their HP? It's not like they're doing Shagi bone rituals to decide what needs buffs and what needs nerfs. They checked their data and saw that heavies were under performing. Even if seasoned heavies were holding their own, accessibility could have been an issue with new players giving up the role.

Doesn't matter anyway since it only means they'll take another 2-3 bullets from dying to an automatic weapon. Hell, I've killed heavies with a toxin- within their optimal range. They could buff the heavy's HP by another 100 in 1.7, but if their weapon deals more damage and is more accurate when you throw it at someone, what's the point?

Occupy Jita?

Translation: I cant think of a good comeback so Im going to play the "I R teh seasoned guy" against someone thats played this game for months and months and has been playing FPS games since Wolfenstein 3d

But since you seem to only be able to hand a few lines at a time Ill ask short questions, if you are so seasoned how come you keep dying in situations where you have the advantage?

I could go for this if the forgegun gets a bigger nerf then its getting.

Also scouts need a buff so they can take on a heavy (while its still a risk) since the current HMG shreds scouts in a second.

Remember when heavies were feared? Remember when you heard an HMG you would think twice about confronting a heavy? Remember when it took 2-4 guys to take down a heavy? Remember when the HMG was a beast? Pepperidge Farm remembers!

Like honestly, this struggle...

Since Uprising 1.0 I've been fighting to get the heavy class back to when they were feared. 1.2-1.3 Heavies were alright, and even gimped they had a chance of doing decent in competitive modes. What makes a heavy good in Uprising is not the weapon he uses or the suit, is his brain and how he thinks.

When a heavy does good it's because he played his arse off, not because he had an easy mode AR with him. Positioning is key and support from a logi, but even then, a logi is not a guarantee. A heavy's best friend is his way of thinking. When a class is no longer doing well IN SPITE OF his best asset, THEN THE CLASS HAS GONE TO CRAP! The HMG is too weak, and the suit's inability to tank or to resist any explosive spam is a joke! A class ( Amarr heavy suit) that's suppose to be "point defense" can't handle a nade or 2, yet people have 3 in their pocket, and the ability to sit on a hive and spam more??!! What kind of logic is this?

No matter how well a heavy is thinking in PC, he'll get put down by either a lucky nade due to nade spam, or 1 dude holding an AR with thumbs. When last has anyone heard "MAN THE HMG IS OP!!!!"... lol... last time i heard that was from the AR leet players from Chromosome. Since Uprising came out the HMG is a joke compared to what it was.

I don't know what suits we're getting in the near future, but if they don't fix the HMG, then it won't matter! What happen to the people that actually want to play this "point defense" role? What gun should they use? A shotgun? An AR? An SMG? All these weapons are better suited to CQC battles than the HMG is, due to their ACCURACY.

Feedback to make the class better? Here we go again:

- Decrease HMG bullet spread

- Increase DMG if you're not decreasing bullet spread

- A skill to reduce spread (FFS!)

- A skill for explosive resistance

- Reduce the headshot penalties on heavies! It's not hard to shoot their heads, they're only the size of a microwave.

- Small arms resistance (?) People brought this up many times

- If none of these ideas suit you and you're still thinking buffing eHP is the solution for everything, then increase it by 50-100% because 20% is nothing, honestly, that may as well not even be done because heavies will die just as fast.

So many things I want to go off on a tangent about on this game, but this heavy issue strikes home for me because it's my class, and the chosen class of quite a few players, and the treatment and the general disregard for the class is grinding my gears.

Medium class got all their suits, got a full range of ARs, got Scrambler Rifles, new AR variants on the way. Medium class gets eveything, cool, what about the other 2 classes in this game CCP?

WHAT ABOUT THE HEAVY?

WHAT ABOUT THE SCOUT?

You have 2 classes that may as well not exist in DUST.

Heavies should STOP USING THE CLASS. Time to put up or shut up. The fact that you're complaining about the class and continue to use it shows CCP you're willing to take whatever they throw your way. This 20% increase to eHP is not enough! How about 20% decrease in HMG bullet spread? Or 20% increase in DMG?

You're giving the class something it doesn't care to have and that nobody asked for!

STOP USING THE CLASS

Time to protest like we did at the start of Uprising.

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=72041

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=73100&find=unread

^ They made a difference, and now it's time to make a difference again.

Please link whatever thread you have that's relevant feedback or just a discussion on how to make this class better. I don't understand where CCP got this 20% increase to eHP buff from.

Edit: This will be my last Heavy thread. I'll be shamelessly bumping this thread everyday until CCP says something about the class, or I see something somewhere in some patch notes. If it gets locked, I'll make the same one, if I get banned, I'll create a new account.

CCP knows? Honestly CCP give me the impression they don't know anything.

They know but heavies get a 150 HP buff? I guess that's their idea of cracking a joke, because I'm pretty sure nobody asked for 150 extra HP over the past couple months.

I don't care if I sound like a broken record. If people want to sit back and think to themselves "CCP knows" then they're free to do so. I've been here since early closed beta, so I don't go by this optimistic approach that you seem to have. No offense intended.

I'm as cynical as they get. So until I see changes, I'll continue to cry and moan and repeat myself. If nobody stood up at the start of Uprising, chances are the devs won't have noticed the HMG got nerfed by 40% and not 20% as intended. Only when people cried about how bad it was did they do something about it.

Though while I admit its not complete, isn't the ehp buff in the right direction?

The way I see it add another 100/100 on top of it and you guys are set defensively especially once they get the racials for damage resistance against light weapons