DUST Search - The Math of AV and Tanks Post 1.7

All Channels

General Discussions

The Math of AV and Tanks Post 1.7

» Click here to find additional results for this topic using Google

Monitor this thread via RSS [?]

Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 [6] :: one page

Author	Thread Statistics \| Show CCP posts - 0 post(s)
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 467	Posted - 2013.10.30 23:17:00 - [151] - Quote Void Echo wrote: Atiim wrote: Void Echo wrote: Atiim wrote: Soldiersaint wrote: Wait correct me if im wrong but the best way to use the swarm launcher now is to do taliban style ambushes ? It's always been that way. AV is only OP in the eyes of QQers like Void and Tankashiro because they are biased, and have never gone up against people with AV that don't hide in the redline. And now AV is on the chop block because CCP has to many buckets of thier tears don't bring me into this scrub... im done arguing and debating the non-existing balance.. especially with biased pricks like you. the biggest thing going against you is that you are a tank driver yet your advocating tanks being nerfed even more so that even complete retards like you can solo your own tank by yourself with militia AV. your a giant contradiction and will never have any respect from anyone other than lukeboy and the others who have stated before that they want this to be call of duty without vehicles. WHEN FOR THE LOVE OF GOD ALMIGHTY HAVE I EVER SAID THAT I WANT TANKS TO BE NERFED? Anyways, actually the fact that I am a tank driver who sides with AV is the best thing I have going for me currently, as despite your thoughts, makes me quite possibly one of the only people who's opinion matters, as unlike 90% of the community, I have seen everything from all points of views, as I am quite literally everything in this game, from Heavies and Scouts, to Assault and Logistics, to even Tanker and AV. The fact that you are a tanker without PRO AV and call me a biased prick at the same time is laughably pathetic, as anyone with half a brain on these forums would be laughing at you by now. You are actually a walking definition of hypocrisy, considering that you tell people "HTFU you aren't a tanker, so your opinions don't matter", yet you are the first one to jump when people tell you "HTFU you aren't AV, so your opinions don't matter. No MLT AV with no skills invested have ever soloed a well fitted tank, and I have never once said nor implied the following: Tanks should be nerfed AV should be buffed I should solo with MLT AV "HTFU your opinions don't matter" (except to counter the arguments of those who have said similar) The fact that you imply that I have said any of this is dumbfounding, as that would mean you don't even completely read and comprehend what I am saying, heck I even had a post of you admitting to this yourself. I have done literally nothing but try to explain things from the view of AV, yet some people still said "HTFU lukeoboy you aren't a real tanker because you side with AV". Well now that this argument was thrown out the window by your own video (which we've yet to see), you have absolutely nothing to counter my truth. The respect the community has won't matter, as if something is wrong it's wrong, no matter how many people support the contrary. And if you ask people who know me in-game, they will tell you just how un-biased I truly am. And as far as my tank and your tank goes Mine>Yours. I won't explain why in this post, because I want you to have some time to think about this before you talk about my "**** Fit" TL;DR: I am quite literally one of the most non-biased person this forum has and will ever see like I said, im not getting dragged into this.... the fact that you side with av in the non-existing balance makes you the biggest contradiction in the game, and yes we have proof that you want tanks to be non existing.... your posts say it all... when we want a buff, you come here saying no we should be nerfed because you can solo us. and about your tank... there is no possibly way you know more about tanks in your mere 4 months than someone like me who has used tanks for over a year. every point you make makes you look weaker and more stupid. tanks are the biggest joke in the game next to dropships, if my SP and ISK investment doesn't make me higher level than you along with my experience, then why the hell is there personal investment in this game? might as well play call of duty and be a mindless gun slinging grunt like you. XD This account is an alt, made back in June when I decided not to be amarr anymore And yeah you've yet confront anything I've said and now instead of admitting defeat you resort to ad hominiem. Pathetic My post was 100% correct, and you cannot supply a single post where I've stated that I want tanks to be nerfed. You on the other hand have still yet to use PRO AV, so yeah by your own logic your opinoin doesn't matter My Tank>Your Tanks Both of our tanks are great, except mine is 400k, and your's is what 2Mil? If I lose a tank, I can run 1-2 matches in ambush to re-make that ISK, you need to spend an entire day in ambush to make up for yours. You use the most expensive possible, and I use the cheapest gear possible. At the end of the day both get the job done, but I suffer a far less hit and can have way much more fun Fun>Anything in this game So by that standard, My tank>Your tank. If you can't solo me w/MLT AV, or if you get shot by infantry, it's your fault -Tanker's Logic (New ones everyday!)
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 468	Posted - 2013.10.30 23:38:00 - [152] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Atiim wrote: WHEN FOR THE LOVE OF GOD ALMIGHTY HAVE I EVER SAID THAT I WANT TANKS TO BE NERFED? Anyways, actually the fact that I am a tank driver who sides with AV is the best thing I have going for me currently, And I'm former AV that sides with Tanks.....what's your point? Good for your :D You aren't biased If you can't solo me w/MLT AV, or if you get shot by infantry, it's your fault -Tanker's Logic (New ones everyday!)
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals EoN. 168	Posted - 2013.10.31 01:48:00 - [153] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Atiim wrote: WHEN FOR THE LOVE OF GOD ALMIGHTY HAVE I EVER SAID THAT I WANT TANKS TO BE NERFED? Anyways, actually the fact that I am a tank driver who sides with AV is the best thing I have going for me currently, And I'm former AV that sides with Tanks.....what's your point? Maybe it's because he only uses horrible fits and he knows when he gets soloed the person probably has 3 times the SP in AV then he does in tanks. Vehicle rework scheduled for 1.5.... 1.6.... 1.7........ Tanker/Logi Wait until AV feels the pain vehicle users have
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals EoN. 168	Posted - 2013.10.31 01:50:00 - [154] - Quote like I said, im not getting dragged into this.... the fact that you side with av in the non-existing balance makes you the biggest contradiction in the game, and yes we have proof that you want tanks to be non existing.... your posts say it all... when we want a buff, you come here saying no we should be nerfed because you can solo us. and about your tank... there is no possibly way you know more about tanks in your mere 4 months than someone like me who has used tanks for over a year. every point you make makes you look weaker and more stupid. tanks are the biggest joke in the game next to dropships, if my SP and ISK investment doesn't make me higher level than you along with my experience, then why the hell is there personal investment in this game? might as well play call of duty and be a mindless gun slinging grunt like you.[/quote] XD This account is an alt, made back in June when I decided not to be amarr anymore And yeah you've yet confront anything I've said and now instead of admitting defeat you resort to ad hominiem. Pathetic My post was 100% correct, and you cannot supply a single post where I've stated that I want tanks to be nerfed. You on the other hand have still yet to use PRO AV, so yeah by your own logic your opinoin doesn't matter My Tank>Your Tanks Both of our tanks get the job done, except mine is 400k, and your's is what 2Mil? If I lose a tank, I can run 1-2 matches in ambush to re-make that ISK, you need to spend an entire day in ambush to make up for yours. You use the most expensive possible, and I use the cheapest gear possible. At the end of the day both get the job done, but I suffer a far less hit and can have way much more fun Fun>Anything in this game So by that standard, My tank>Your tank. Oops: forgot something; post a pick of your AV skill sheet, because anyone with an MLT swarm can make it look like a wiki swarm if I ask you to pull it out. But If I pull out a maddy, it will say it's a maddy Untill I have a picture, I'll refuse to believe that you have PRO swarms.[/quote] How is getting insta popped getting the job done. Vehicle rework scheduled for 1.5.... 1.6.... 1.7........ Tanker/Logi Wait until AV feels the pain vehicle users have
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 468	Posted - 2013.10.31 01:53:00 - [155] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: True Adamance wrote: Atiim wrote: WHEN FOR THE LOVE OF GOD ALMIGHTY HAVE I EVER SAID THAT I WANT TANKS TO BE NERFED? Anyways, actually the fact that I am a tank driver who sides with AV is the best thing I have going for me currently, And I'm former AV that sides with Tanks.....what's your point? Maybe it's because he only uses horrible fits and he knows when he gets soloed the person probably has 3 times the SP in AV then he does in tanks. 3 mil in vehicles, 1.5 mill in AV I was a tanker long before I was PRO AV Get your facts straight I am everything AV, Tanker, Logi, Scout, Heavy, and so much more This is the setup of those who are unbiased
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1568	Posted - 2013.10.31 13:17:00 - [156] - Quote Toby Flenderson wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: So i pretty much skipped the past 6 pages because it goes somehting like this Vehicle pilots use logic and AV are crying because they cannot solo vehicles anymore with an I WIN button Big problem is these AV scrubs are basing everything off of scrubby pub matches, PC is where it should be balanced, I play PC everyday, go up against proto AV everything too in my basic tank with basic mods and its defences are simply not enough, not against proto AV because i dont have a proto tank and mods I can play pubs and maybe stomp and go 40-0 because no AV is about which isnt my problem its the enemys problem But with pubs you can play solo and come up against 2 6man squads, not your fault its lack of match making Balancing for pubs is just a bad idea since pubs is unbalanced with just 1 6man squad against randoms anyways, PC is coordinated teamwork from both sides to get an objective and win the match The vehicles and AV rebalancing may actually give vehicles a role in PC and a chance to be a game changer maybe but at least it maybe be able to hold its own and actually tank something But if it ruins pubs i couldnt care less because matchmaking is broke and i cant help it, but when team deploy comes in i will be in FW earning LP This is only the 1st set of actual nerfs that AV has recieved in over 6months of consistant buffs and i expect alot will quit AV because teamwork is an alien concept to them but will still cry when a tank is on the field wrecking ** unopposed because the infantry let them One could just as easily have summarized it the other way. For example, "Vehicle users cry because they can be killed and AV users are the reasonable ones leveling out the playing field". As far as matchmaking being broken I also disagree. I've been in more close games since 1.5 than I have been in the last few months. Especially with squad finder. It's so easy to form squads now and if someone isn't joining them and then complaining that it's unfair to be put against them then I don't know what to say to them. I also disagree with using PC to balance things. If more people play in pub matches then basing everything off of PC wouldn't represent the conditions found in most games for most people. Also if teamwork is so important why not complain that more people don't support tanks? I've seen logi jeeps keep tanks alive and multiple gunners can help take out the infantry trying to spam AV nades. You're coming off as just another elitist "I'm right and you're wrong because I just am" type of voice right now. Maybe try and consider that more than just EoN plays this game. But if your tried to summarized it that way you would look like an idiot since AV has had the upper hand for the past 6+months against all vehicles Matchmaking is broken for me, always against groups while i have randoms, if im in a group half the time i end up against randoms PC is the end game currently for anyone competitive, pubs is scrubtastic at best and just an ISK making machine, if you played PC with a vehicle you would really see how useless you are most of the time espc with the tactics of putting FG on top of towers but overall PC is proto vs proto unless you run vehicles then its basic for you Because in PC games i generally am supported, in pubs randoms dont do ** so i rely on my squad if anything but even then hard to protect a tank when the pilot cannot see past 50m anyways and all AV can whack em from 400m out no problem But i am right tho, i mean i use all vehicles and i can use all AV aswell and if vehicle pilots can use teamwork with AV why cant AV use teamwork? Do vehicle pilots have to show AV how its done?
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1568	Posted - 2013.10.31 13:18:00 - [157] - Quote Atiim wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: True Adamance wrote: Atiim wrote: WHEN FOR THE LOVE OF GOD ALMIGHTY HAVE I EVER SAID THAT I WANT TANKS TO BE NERFED? Anyways, actually the fact that I am a tank driver who sides with AV is the best thing I have going for me currently, And I'm former AV that sides with Tanks.....what's your point? Maybe it's because he only uses horrible fits and he knows when he gets soloed the person probably has 3 times the SP in AV then he does in tanks. 3 mil in vehicles, 1.5 mill in AV I was a tanker long before I was PRO AV Get your facts straight You aint anything but a bad player
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 476	Posted - 2013.10.31 13:19:00 - [158] - Quote Vehicles have PRO weapons and PRO modules. All they need is ADV and PRO hulls I am everything AV, Tanker, Logi, Scout, Heavy, and so much more This is the setup of those who are unbiased
chase rowland The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo 57	Posted - 2013.10.31 13:30:00 - [159] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: True Adamance wrote: Atiim wrote: WHEN FOR THE LOVE OF GOD ALMIGHTY HAVE I EVER SAID THAT I WANT TANKS TO BE NERFED? Anyways, actually the fact that I am a tank driver who sides with AV is the best thing I have going for me currently, And I'm former AV that sides with Tanks.....what's your point? Maybe it's because he only uses horrible fits and he knows when he gets soloed the person probably has 3 times the SP in AV then he does in tanks. i know void. hes a vet and he has more sp then most. mostly into tanking. im not going to argue with you guys here, but i know voids fittings. hes no joke. im going to have to side with him in all of these arguments as he has the most experience. nuff said
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 476	Posted - 2013.10.31 13:33:00 - [160] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Atiim wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: True Adamance wrote: Atiim wrote: WHEN FOR THE LOVE OF GOD ALMIGHTY HAVE I EVER SAID THAT I WANT TANKS TO BE NERFED? Anyways, actually the fact that I am a tank driver who sides with AV is the best thing I have going for me currently, And I'm former AV that sides with Tanks.....what's your point? Maybe it's because he only uses horrible fits and he knows when he gets soloed the person probably has 3 times the SP in AV then he does in tanks. 3 mil in vehicles, 1.5 mill in AV I was a tanker long before I was PRO AV Get your facts straight You aint anything but a bad player Yep, never played with or against you, so I feel really insulted At least I don't have to QQ every time my tank goes boom. And you think your a good player? Doing what? Tanking? Untill AV or an enemy tank rolls out, tanks are quite literally the easiest class in the entire game, and the giant SP sink is filled by doing what exactly? Going pew pew in a steel box with infinite ammo that's what. Scouts have to use stealth tactics and situational awareness Logi's have to keep the team alive Assualt has to coordinate and push objectives Heavies have to lead the pack during pushes LLAVs rep people and make quick transportation methods Tanks? They just spam infinite rounds at infantry until somebody decides to bring one of the only 4 (technically 6) weapons in the game that can kill them to well.. Kill them. Now I'm not gonna sit here and say tanks are useless because in the right hands they can be more than a steel box with infinite ammo, but 90% of tanks that are popped by AV were poped because when they got hit the first time, they decided to stand there and keep firing in said steel box I'm not saying tanks are complete easymode. But they surely aren't hard. That role belongs to scouts. I am everything AV, Tanker, Logi, Scout, Heavy, and so much more This is the setup of those who are unbiased

Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 486	Posted - 2013.10.31 13:36:00 - [161] - Quote chase rowland wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: True Adamance wrote: Atiim wrote: WHEN FOR THE LOVE OF GOD ALMIGHTY HAVE I EVER SAID THAT I WANT TANKS TO BE NERFED? Anyways, actually the fact that I am a tank driver who sides with AV is the best thing I have going for me currently, And I'm former AV that sides with Tanks.....what's your point? Maybe it's because he only uses horrible fits and he knows when he gets soloed the person probably has 3 times the SP in AV then he does in tanks. i know void. hes a vet and he has more sp then most. mostly into tanking. im not going to argue with you guys here, but i know voids fittings. hes no joke. im going to have to side with him in all of these arguments as he has the most experience. nuff said If he has to QQ about something being able to kill him, then yeah he's a bigger joke than lomandos running dual Nova Knives I am everything AV, Tanker, Logi, Scout, Heavy, and so much more This is the setup of those who are unbiased
Toby Flenderson research lab 100	Posted - 2013.10.31 18:07:00 - [162] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Toby Flenderson wrote: One could just as easily have summarized it the other way. For example, "Vehicle users cry because they can be killed and AV users are the reasonable ones leveling out the playing field". As far as matchmaking being broken I also disagree. I've been in more close games since 1.5 than I have been in the last few months. Especially with squad finder. It's so easy to form squads now and if someone isn't joining them and then complaining that it's unfair to be put against them then I don't know what to say to them. I also disagree with using PC to balance things. If more people play in pub matches then basing everything off of PC wouldn't represent the conditions found in most games for most people. Also if teamwork is so important why not complain that more people don't support tanks? I've seen logi jeeps keep tanks alive and multiple gunners can help take out the infantry trying to spam AV nades. You're coming off as just another elitist "I'm right and you're wrong because I just am" type of voice right now. Maybe try and consider that more than just EoN plays this game. But if your tried to summarized it that way you would look like an idiot since AV has had the upper hand for the past 6+months against all vehicles Matchmaking is broken for me, always against groups while i have randoms, if im in a group half the time i end up against randoms PC is the end game currently for anyone competitive, pubs is scrubtastic at best and just an ISK making machine, if you played PC with a vehicle you would really see how useless you are most of the time espc with the tactics of putting FG on top of towers but overall PC is proto vs proto unless you run vehicles then its basic for you Because in PC games i generally am supported, in pubs randoms dont do ** so i rely on my squad if anything but even then hard to protect a tank when the pilot cannot see past 50m anyways and all AV can whack em from 400m out no problem But i am right tho, i mean i use all vehicles and i can use all AV aswell and if vehicle pilots can use teamwork with AV why cant AV use teamwork? Do vehicle pilots have to show AV how its done? You missed my point entirely. I'm implying that all that first statement said was "I'm on the vehicle side of the argument". You can't honestly say that in threads like these there is a completely one sided logical argument against AV users and the AV users do nothing but QQ about not being able to kill tanks. From what I've seen in these threads is that people generally just like to say what they think and then ignore counter arguments. Both sides. Your response to this is the same thing just reworded; "...and if you say the opposite then you're an idiot". We get it... you like tanks, but don't try to act like anyone that doesn't agree with you has no logical basis to do so. Matchmaking isn't broken for me or my fellow corp mates so I don't know what to say. That sucks for your luck? If leveling up skills isn't what makes this game addicting, I don't know what is. I'm mostly interested in leveling up my suit and improving my abilities rather than seeing who's Dust ** is bigger in PC matches against players that have months/year time under their belt and in their suit. I think that this is also true for most people in the game. PC is great for competitive players but it still caters to a smaller percent of the player base. It doesn't make sense to change things for fewer people if the majority does not agree. My theory for why vehicles aren't as effective in PC is because in PC people care about winning more. Tanks are huge threats in pub matches but not every blueberry cares enough about a victory to put millions into AV just to ensure that a tank doesn't steal it from them unopposed. In PC, people care a lot more about the victory rather than the SP they get regardless of the outcome so something like a tank must be dealt with immediately to remove the enemy advantage from the field. It should be hard to protect a tank if people are dedicated to destroying it. Heavies need a logi to back them up and keep them healed while they take hits. Assaults can't go forever without the occasional nanohive. Tanks need support too and I think the best type is a logi jeep or a sniper. People don't consider snipers to be support roles most of the time but when I sniped I just looked for SL and FG users while our tank handled the rest of the infantry. It should take more than one person in a tank to accomplish the destruction that a tank can currently cause, whether it be another gunner or infantry (snipers, assault, logi) to protect the tank. There are ways to help a tank, you just have to have dedicated players. Complaining about blueberries not helping you is not exactly exclusive to the tanker role. AV does require teamwork unless the single person is completely specced/dedicated/skilled in the role. This also applies to tanks. I think it's a little silly to suggest that the problem here is that the enemies don't need to be a team rather than say friendlies just need to support their team. The burden of your success should be on you and your team. Try getting a logi jeep or other tanks to back you up. Or snipers. Just try it.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 1477	Posted - 2013.10.31 22:08:00 - [163] - Quote KenKaniff69 wrote: Gloomy Cobra wrote: i never really understood why ccp made the forge guns really strong agianst armor...Its based on electric energy, which should do more damage on shileds than armor yet that not true..... Oh well. Btw really good post, i enjoyed reading it :) Exactly my point. In chrome, forge was for shield and swarms were for armor. Now both have an efficiency rating towards armor. WTF CCP please revert the efficiencies. Heavy Laser and Heavy Plasma Cannon will both be good against shields. Immortal Guides, supporting knowledge dissemination in New Eden since August 31, 2013.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 490	Posted - 2013.10.31 22:12:00 - [164] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: KenKaniff69 wrote: Gloomy Cobra wrote: i never really understood why ccp made the forge guns really strong against armor...Its based on electric energy, which should do more damage on shields than armor yet that not true..... Oh well. Btw really good post, i enjoyed reading it :) Exactly my point. In chrome, forge was for shield and swarms were for armor. Now both have an efficiency rating towards armor. WTF CCP please revert the efficiencies. Heavy Laser and Heavy Plasma Cannon will both be good against shields. Good point, that's probably why CCP decided to change the Forge Gun's effectiveness to armor, because they began working on the Heavy PLC and Heavy LR I just wish CCP had told people why they changed the FGs efficiency, that way we wouldn't have so many people moaning and groaning about it. Or they just wanted to give Gunnlogi pilots a break. I am everything AV, Tanker, Logi, Scout, Heavy, and so much more This is the setup of those who are unbiased
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1169	Posted - 2013.10.31 22:31:00 - [165] - Quote Atiim wrote: Vehicles have PRO weapons and PRO modules. All they need is ADV and PRO hulls LOL We don't have PRO modules. See, I told you you're not a tanker. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Void Echo Blades of Dust 2022	Posted - 2013.10.31 22:33:00 - [166] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Atiim wrote: Vehicles have PRO weapons and PRO modules. All they need is ADV and PRO hulls LOL We don't have PRO modules. See, I told you you're not a tanker. we don't have proto modules or hulls, we have proto turrets... modules are categorized as follows: Basic, enhanced, complex. there are no advanced or proto modules, only proto turrets. Closed Beta Vet Level 2 Forum Warrior "In my experience love doesnt exist, only cold, dark betrayal does."
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1169	Posted - 2013.10.31 22:34:00 - [167] - Quote Void Echo wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Atiim wrote: Vehicles have PRO weapons and PRO modules. All they need is ADV and PRO hulls LOL We don't have PRO modules. See, I told you you're not a tanker. we don't have proto modules or hulls, we have proto turrets... modules are categorized as follows: Basic, enhanced, complex. there are no advanced or proto modules, only proto turrets. They'll be basic, enhanced and complex when the vehicle pass comes. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 490	Posted - 2013.10.31 22:34:00 - [168] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Atiim wrote: Vehicles have PRO weapons and PRO modules. All they need is ADV and PRO hulls LOL We don't have PRO modules. See, I told you you're not a tanker. You sure? Active scanners, CPU/PG enhancers, Damage control units, etc I didn't say you had all PRO modules And Void Echo has a video of me in my tank. Point moot. I am everything AV, Tanker, Logi, Scout, Heavy, and so much more -HAND
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 490	Posted - 2013.10.31 22:36:00 - [169] - Quote Void Echo wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Atiim wrote: Vehicles have PRO weapons and PRO modules. All they need is ADV and PRO hulls LOL We don't have PRO modules. See, I told you you're not a tanker. we don't have proto modules or hulls, we have proto turrets... modules are categorized as follows: Basic, enhanced, complex. there are no advanced or proto modules, only proto turrets. refer to ^^^ I am everything AV, Tanker, Logi, Scout, Heavy, and so much more -HAND
Void Echo Blades of Dust 2022	Posted - 2013.10.31 22:37:00 - [170] - Quote Atiim wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Atiim wrote: Vehicles have PRO weapons and PRO modules. All they need is ADV and PRO hulls LOL We don't have PRO modules. See, I told you you're not a tanker. You sure? Active scanners, CPU/PG enhancers, Damage control units, etc I didn't say you had all PRO modules And Void Echo has a video of me in my tank. Point moot. just owning a tank doesn't make you a tanker, your far from being one. Closed Beta Vet Level 2 Forum Warrior "In my experience love doesnt exist, only cold, dark betrayal does."



Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 [6] :: one page
First page \| Previous page \| Next page \| Last page