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Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 455	Posted - 2013.10.29 18:22:00 - [1] - Quote Lai Dai deals somewhere around 1700 damage At least try using them Soon my brothers shall see the light, free from the shackles of the Amarr Captors All shall taste my Freedom SoonGäó
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 455	Posted - 2013.10.29 18:28:00 - [2] - Quote KenKaniff69 wrote: Atiim wrote: Lai Dai deals somewhere around 1700 damage At least try using them Once again read the post Mr. I have no idea about resist. The numbers don't add up and real word evidence suggests else wise. Go away troll. Your ideas are not valid on anything related with vehicles. You have no idea about anything I just posted. Once again, I already knew about hardners, I just didn't use them (or nitrous And if your using that logic, the why not HTFU about AV as you sure as heck don't use them or have any idea of what your talking about when it comes to AV And if you look at the marketplace stats, they do around 1720 damage. Soon my brothers shall see the light, free from the shackles of the Amarr Captors All shall taste my Freedom SoonGäó
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 455	Posted - 2013.10.29 18:29:00 - [3] - Quote KenKaniff69 wrote: Void Echo wrote: Atiim wrote: Lai Dai deals somewhere around 1700 damage At least try using them far too easy Can we see that video. Yes please Soon my brothers shall see the light, free from the shackles of the Amarr Captors All shall taste my Freedom SoonGäó
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 455	Posted - 2013.10.29 18:34:00 - [4] - Quote Void Echo wrote: Atiim wrote: Lai Dai deals somewhere around 1700 damage At least try using them far too easy Yeah, if you can get close enough to the tank (assuming you are not a scout) And why so many empty lines man? Soon my brothers shall see the light, free from the shackles of the Amarr Captors All shall taste my Freedom SoonGäó
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 456	Posted - 2013.10.29 19:37:00 - [5] - Quote Soldiersaint wrote: Wait correct me if im wrong but the best way to use the swarm launcher now is to do taliban style ambushes ? It's always been that way. AV is only OP in the eyes of QQers like Void and Tankashiro because they are biased, and have never gone up against people with AV that don't hide in the redline. And now AV is on the chop block because CCP has to many buckets of thier tears Soon my brothers shall see the light, free from the shackles of the Amarr Captors All shall taste my Freedom SoonGäó
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 461	Posted - 2013.10.29 21:54:00 - [6] - Quote KenKaniff69 wrote: Soldiersaint wrote: Wait correct me if im wrong but the best way to use the swarm launcher now is to do taliban style ambushes ? Just get a tank out in the open or when its modules are down. Miltia AV owns everything currently when modules are down and will in the future when modules have extended cooldown times. Ok now your just pulling crap outta @$$ 330*4=1320HP And MLT swarms have terrible DPS because of the lock time nerf, and the fact that they only have two in a clip means that if you are good, they will do a maximum of 2640HP of damage, but that wouldn't scratch a maddy's armor and Gunnlogi? Forget it. MLT owns nothing, not even MLT tanks Soon my brothers shall see the light, free from the shackles of the Amarr Captors All shall taste my Freedom SoonGäó
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 461	Posted - 2013.10.29 22:09:00 - [7] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Atiim wrote: Soldiersaint wrote: Wait correct me if im wrong but the best way to use the swarm launcher now is to do taliban style ambushes ? It's always been that way. AV is only OP in the eyes of QQers like Void and Tankashiro because they are biased, and have never gone up against people with AV that don't hide in the redline. And now AV is on the chop block because CCP has to many buckets of thier tears It was arrogance like yours, and all those who think swarming requires skill, all of those who could freely spam their AV grenades and think they were bad asses for doing jack all, it was all of you who made this AV nerf possible. Thank you for having vastly over inflated opinions of yourselves. ALL HAIL THE REIGN OF THE VEHICLES! Ok fine go 30m away from a tank, and try soloing it while infantry is firing at you at the same time, and before you say "Oh you shouldn't be taking fire from infantry" BS note that I don't AV from the redline (swarms don't have the intelligence). And yeah considering that that almost always happens, swarms do require skill, at least you can kill people with a FG, or PLC but I can't lock on to a scout with a SL and watch him run like crazy to cover. And only tankers and LAV who are stupid enough to drive into crowds of infantry have to deal with AV grenades. You say this as if tanking requires skill like a chess game, when I've managed to do perfectly fine with my cheap so-so 400k tank. All you have to do is shoot and then go into cover when you overheat and/or your modules die. Thank you for having vastly over-inflated opinions of yourselves, next time you wanna moan about something, do what I did and skill into it. You are literally no better than logi hatters who assume that it is easy mode while never specing into them Soon my brothers shall see the light, free from the shackles of the Amarr Captors All shall taste my Freedom SoonGäó
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 461	Posted - 2013.10.29 22:11:00 - [8] - Quote KenKaniff69 wrote: Atiim wrote: KenKaniff69 wrote: Soldiersaint wrote: Wait correct me if im wrong but the best way to use the swarm launcher now is to do taliban style ambushes ? Just get a tank out in the open or when its modules are down. Miltia AV owns everything currently when modules are down and will in the future when modules have extended cooldown times. Ok now your just pulling crap outta @$$ 3304=1320HP And MLT swarms have terrible DPS because of the lock time nerf, and the fact that they only have two in a clip means that if you are good, they will do a maximum of 2640HP of damage, but that wouldn't scratch a maddy's armor and Gunnlogi? Forget it. MLT owns nothing, not even MLT tanks 13201.352=3564. Two volleys and the tank goes down. Shields, and yeah with bad lock times, that damage will be repped quickly if the tanker knows what they are doing, and that (1.35) assumes that everyone runs an armored tank. If you get soloed by MLT AV, then there is no balancing that. After all, many have said "Never balance around idiots". Soon my brothers shall see the light, free from the shackles of the Amarr Captors All shall taste my Freedom SoonGäó
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 461	Posted - 2013.10.29 22:14:00 - [9] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Atiim wrote: KenKaniff69 wrote: Soldiersaint wrote: Wait correct me if im wrong but the best way to use the swarm launcher now is to do taliban style ambushes ? Just get a tank out in the open or when its modules are down. Miltia AV owns everything currently when modules are down and will in the future when modules have extended cooldown times. Ok now your just pulling crap outta @$$ 330*4=1320HP And MLT swarms have terrible DPS because of the lock time nerf, and the fact that they only have two in a clip means that if you are good, they will do a maximum of 2640HP of damage, but that wouldn't scratch a maddy's armor and Gunnlogi? Forget it. MLT owns nothing, not even MLT tanks I took out a 1.5 mil tank with them the other day, I spawned in the wrong fit in an ambush near a tank used a corner and strafing to my advantage and hit him three times and blew him up 0 proficiency 0 damage mods. Yes he was not at full armor. If he wasn't at full armor, then you have no valid argument. Edit: if the tanker (or anyone) gave you time to reload, then he deserved death. Soon my brothers shall see the light, free from the shackles of the Amarr Captors All shall taste my Freedom SoonGäó
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 461	Posted - 2013.10.29 22:18:00 - [10] - Quote KenKaniff69 wrote: Justin Tymes wrote: KenKaniff69 wrote: Justin Tymes wrote: Swarms are going to **** with a 175 meter lock-on and damage nerf? Outside of dropships and LAVs who will lol at them now, swarms will require you to either be in CQC with cover to use effectively, or out in the open without cover(lol). At either case, you might as well be using something else. Like REs or Assault Forge Guns, which everyone with a brain will be using. Swarms are useless now. I'd sooner use a Freedom MD prof 5 with 3 damage mods over it. At least I can kill Infantry with it. How can you say no to dealing 2385 damage to an armor tank. You get all three shots off and terrain damage finishes it off as it runs away. No because that optimal will rarely happen at all. In the open, you'll die long before you get the 3 shots in, in CQC with cover you won't shoot those shots nearly as fast, so tank has a good chance of just rolling out. Plus a good tanker almost always have Infantry support near, you don't want to be in CQC with Swarms at all. If it's a shield tanker, congrats, your swarms are laughed at. Why don't you ask someone like your corpmate mary sedillo how devastating swarms can be when modules are on cooldown, if you don't believe me. Well if your modules are down, then AV should take you out with ease And yeah that is optimal, so your math is shotty. And yeah if swarms are such a problem, then why not add shields Soon my brothers shall see the light, free from the shackles of the Amarr Captors All shall taste my Freedom SoonGäó

Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 461	Posted - 2013.10.29 22:20:00 - [11] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: He had in between 1/3 and 2/3 armor so he still had a good 2k-4k resisted armor that I just burned through. If he had 2k armor, then he was practically dead to begin with If he had 4k, then you would not have killed him with MLT swarms, and yeah why did he sit there and give you time to reload again? Please answer this question in your post, as i want to make sure you know what your talking about Soon my brothers shall see the light, free from the shackles of the Amarr Captors All shall taste my Freedom SoonGäó
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 461	Posted - 2013.10.29 22:25:00 - [12] - Quote Notice how I put the pirate sign after the sentence, that way anyone with an IQ >30 will know that I'm joking Soon my brothers shall see the light, free from the shackles of the Amarr Captors All shall taste my Freedom SoonGäó
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 462	Posted - 2013.10.29 22:31:00 - [13] - Quote Aww man, you beat me to the math! Oh well, at least you proved my point Soon my brothers shall see the light, free from the shackles of the Amarr Captors All shall taste my Freedom SoonGäó
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 462	Posted - 2013.10.29 22:58:00 - [14] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Atiim wrote: Notice how I put the pirate sign after the sentence, that way anyone with an IQ >30 will know that I'm joking You've proven yourself to be so stupid I couldn't tell whether or not you were joking. No, you've proven that you have an IQ <30 Soon my brothers shall see the light, free from the shackles of the Amarr Captors All shall taste my Freedom SoonGäó
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 464	Posted - 2013.10.30 01:44:00 - [15] - Quote Flix Keptick wrote: Atiim wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Atiim wrote: Notice how I put the pirate sign after the sentence, that way anyone with an IQ >30 will know that I'm joking You've proven yourself to be so stupid I couldn't tell whether or not you were joking. No, you've proven that you have an IQ <30 ahem this is part of your contract (repeat after me): "everything i've ever said on the subject of game balance, specifically balancing vehicles and AV is wrong, its so wrong that i feel sick that i even thought of them, and the fact that i spoke them makes me want to leap in front of a moving lav. i hereby retract all of my comments and enter an agreement with the dust community that it will not troll you overly and whack you with the logic bat too often on the basis that i will now refrain from posting in any vehicle or AV thread, this agreement is binding and can and will be edited in the future if the community deems it necessary." thanks gbghg <---- If I made a mistake it's arkena's fault Ahem You never promised my logistics BPO Soon my brothers shall see the light, free from the shackles of the Amarr Captors All shall taste my Freedom SoonGäó
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 464	Posted - 2013.10.30 01:47:00 - [16] - Quote Needless Sacermendor wrote: Takahiros 'partner' will be here shortly to reply 10 times to each individual comment from anyone who isn't supporting the HAV campaign ... you wait n see lol ... You mean Tankahiro And yep if you don't agree with tankers, despite using reasoning, logic, and *solid* calculations, then apparently your a biased lukeboy COD scrub. The nerve of some tankers, makes me wanna change my signature... In fact, brb Soon my brothers shall see the light, free from the shackles of the Amarr Captors All shall taste my Freedom SoonGäó
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 465	Posted - 2013.10.30 01:53:00 - [17] - Quote KenKaniff69 wrote: Atiim wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: He had in between 1/3 and 2/3 armor so he still had a good 2k-4k resisted armor that I just burned through. If he had 2k armor, then he was practically dead to begin with If he had 4k, then you would not have killed him with MLT swarms, and yeah why did he sit there and give you time to reload again? Please answer this question in your post, as i want to make sure you know what your talking about The fact that the tank had 4k armor and still died shows how AV is clearly overplaying it's role. The efficiency rating I am using confirm this. Under normal efficiency ratings you would not be able to do this. No, it shows that he's got a wad of BS up his @$$ He's clearly lying, and If I said "oh yeah proto av is so overpowered, that I even saw it take out a CRU in 3 hits, all you biased tanking dumbfucks would have said, "yeah Atiim that's right, in fact I also saw it happen myself" or some dumb *** like that. And I currently forgot her name, but someone came and basically saved me the time and proved all your "calculations" incorrect. You've yet to challenge said logic, so I fully believe that even you tankers don't believe the BS that your shoveling in CCP's yard. You guys are pathetic. Just stop. If you can't solo me w/MLT AV, or if you get shot by infantry, it's your fault -Tanker's Logic (New ones everyday!)
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 465	Posted - 2013.10.30 02:23:00 - [18] - Quote KenKaniff69 wrote: Atiim wrote: KenKaniff69 wrote: Atiim wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: He had in between 1/3 and 2/3 armor so he still had a good 2k-4k resisted armor that I just burned through. If he had 2k armor, then he was practically dead to begin with If he had 4k, then you would not have killed him with MLT swarms, and yeah why did he sit there and give you time to reload again? Please answer this question in your post, as i want to make sure you know what your talking about The fact that the tank had 4k armor and still died shows how AV is clearly overplaying it's role. The efficiency rating I am using confirm this. Under normal efficiency ratings you would not be able to do this. No, it shows that he's got a wad of BS up his @$$ He's clearly lying, and If I said "oh yeah proto av is so overpowered, that I even saw it take out a CRU in 3 hits, all you biased tanking dumbfucks would have said, "yeah Atiim that's right, in fact I also saw it happen myself" or some dumb *** like that. And I currently forgot her name, but someone came and basically saved me the time and proved all your "calculations" incorrect. You've yet to challenge said logic, so I fully believe that even you tankers don't believe the BS that your shoveling in CCP's yard. You guys are pathetic. Just stop. Thread is yours troll. Play nice. So basically instead of admitting that your wrong, you decide to take the easy way out and say "Thread is your's troll"? Yep you clearly don't believe the BS your saying If you can't solo me w/MLT AV, or if you get shot by infantry, it's your fault -Tanker's Logic (New ones everyday!)
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 465	Posted - 2013.10.30 02:48:00 - [19] - Quote knight of 6 wrote: don't revert to argumentum ad hominem, it makes you argument look weak. humans kitten up, it's in our nature. the reload time on swarms is shorter than the cool down on reps. you're a tanker and an AV specialist so I'm wasting my time telling you this. if the tank is already at 2-4k hp something hit it and it's entirely possible that the tank fought through it's rep cycle and came out worse for wear, you're a tanker it's nothing uncommon is it? so there is now a 30 second cool down where that tank is completely vulnerable; is it not possible that the exact HP value was unimportant at the time and thus unremembered but somewhere between 2-4k? if the HP was unimportant (it was) than could it be within the Damage of a single MLT swarm clip? if the tanker in question's reps were off line and he was at 1/3 hp could it not be possible that he prioritized escape over removing the threat and simply didn't shoot back? perhaps he knew that whatever took out 2/3 of his HP previous was repositioning to finish the job and a single MLT swarm was not the primary concern. all of this is circumstantial of course but I think it is safe to say that there are to many variables in play to tell positively if it's lie or truth. I'd write something witty to insult you and tarnish you name, perhaps making an allude to <30 IQ, but you've done a well enough job of destroying your reputation. I suppose I should thank you for saving me the trouble. You can stop with the sarcasm, as I am a tanker and it has been proven with facts. Even the OP can confirm that My argument looks weak? Compared to what the POS arguments given by other tankers? So far i've heard that AV shouldn't matter and we should make tanks the best counter to tanks, despite AV being ANTI-VEHICLE, AV should be nerfed simply because it owns their sorry @$$ whenever they drive out in the open. I've also heard that it should always take three people with AV to destroy a tank, regardless pf how many tanks and or enemy infantry are present Ad hominem? Wow i'm surprised that the idiots of this forum even know what this mean. Anyways it is true. Not one thing I've said thus far is a lie. I like to support my arguments with facts and evidence, as opposed to doing what most tankers have done and make crap up and hoping that enough people will jump in and say "Oh yeah lol this is true I saw it myself". I use the most aggressive tactics possible to win my arguments, but I base them all on truth fact and reasoning. If you don't use aggressive tactics, you will never win an argument, no matter how idiotic the opponent's arguments and/or rebuttals are. And if you want a refresher on how to win an argument, then you should refer to Paul Graham's Hierarchy of Disagreement If you can't solo me w/MLT AV, or if you get shot by infantry, it's your fault -Tanker's Logic (New ones everyday!)
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 465	Posted - 2013.10.30 13:08:00 - [20] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Atiim wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: He had in between 1/3 and 2/3 armor so he still had a good 2k-4k resisted armor that I just burned through. If he had 2k armor, then he was practically dead to begin with If he had 4k, then you would not have killed him with MLT swarms, and yeah why did he sit there and give you time to reload again? Please answer this question in your post, as i want to make sure you know what your talking about So Militia swarms do 1320 damage plus the 63% bonus I get from the weak spot and the armor bonus if I'm informed correctly minus the 49% resist I believe he had gives me a 12% bonus so about 1,478 damage multiplied by 3 is 4,434 damage so tell me why I couldn't have called the tank if it had 4k armor. Swarm launcher's path and targeting is not controlled by the user, so hitting a weak spot is very rare. 1,478 multiplied by two, not three (even more proof that you don't use AV) . And with slow lock times, coupled by the fact that the tank would not have been standing still while doing this means that The most he could have possibly done is 2,956 HP Here is a tip, use a swarm launcher before talking about them, it usually helps If you can't solo me w/MLT AV, or if you get shot by infantry, it's your fault -Tanker's Logic (New ones everyday!)

Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 467	Posted - 2013.10.30 22:21:00 - [21] - Quote Void Echo wrote: Atiim wrote: Soldiersaint wrote: Wait correct me if im wrong but the best way to use the swarm launcher now is to do taliban style ambushes ? It's always been that way. AV is only OP in the eyes of QQers like Void and Tankashiro because they are biased, and have never gone up against people with AV that don't hide in the redline. And now AV is on the chop block because CCP has to many buckets of thier tears don't bring me into this scrub... im done arguing and debating the non-existing balance.. especially with biased pricks like you. the biggest thing going against you is that you are a tank driver yet your advocating tanks being nerfed even more so that even complete retards like you can solo your own tank by yourself with militia AV. your a giant contradiction and will never have any respect from anyone other than lukeboy and the others who have stated before that they want this to be call of duty without vehicles. WHEN FOR THE LOVE OF GOD ALMIGHTY HAVE I EVER SAID THAT I WANT TANKS TO BE NERFED? Anyways, actually the fact that I am a tank driver who sides with AV is the best thing I have going for me currently, as despite your thoughts, makes me quite possibly one of the only people who's opinion matters, as unlike 90% of the community, I have seen everything from all points of views, as I am quite literally everything in this game, from Heavies and Scouts, to Assault and Logistics, to even Tanker and AV. The fact that you are a tanker without PRO AV and call me a biased prick at the same time is laughably pathetic, as anyone with half a brain on these forums would be laughing at you by now. You are actually a walking definition of hypocrisy, considering that you tell people "HTFU you aren't a tanker, so your opinions don't matter", yet you are the first one to jump when people tell you "HTFU you aren't AV, so your opinions don't matter. No MLT AV with no skills invested have ever soloed a well fitted tank, and I have never once said nor implied the following: Tanks should be nerfed AV should be buffed I should solo with MLT AV "HTFU your opinions don't matter" (except to counter the arguments of those who have said similar) The fact that you imply that I have said any of this is dumbfounding, as that would mean you don't even completely read and comprehend what I am saying, heck I even had a post of you admitting to this yourself. I have done literally nothing but try to explain things from the view of AV, yet some people still said "HTFU lukeoboy you aren't a real tanker because you side with AV". Well now that this argument was thrown out the window by your own video (which we've yet to see), you have absolutely nothing to counter my truth. The respect the community has won't matter, as if something is wrong it's wrong, no matter how many people support the contrary. And if you ask people who know me in-game, they will tell you just how un-biased I truly am. And as far as my tank and your tank goes Mine>Yours. I won't explain why in this post, because I want you to have some time to think about this before you talk about my "**** Fit" TL;DR: I am quite literally one of the most non-biased person this forum has and will ever see If you can't solo me w/MLT AV, or if you get shot by infantry, it's your fault -Tanker's Logic (New ones everyday!)
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 467	Posted - 2013.10.30 22:22:00 - [22] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Atiim wrote: Soldiersaint wrote: Wait correct me if im wrong but the best way to use the swarm launcher now is to do taliban style ambushes ? It's always been that way. AV is only OP in the eyes of QQers like Void and Tankashiro because they are biased, and have never gone up against people with AV that don't hide in the redline. And now AV is on the chop block because CCP has to many buckets of thier tears aww, a av QQ'r that gets mad when he can't solo a good fit tank, how cute Refer to my last post ^^^ If you can't solo me w/MLT AV, or if you get shot by infantry, it's your fault -Tanker's Logic (New ones everyday!)
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 467	Posted - 2013.10.30 23:17:00 - [23] - Quote Void Echo wrote: Atiim wrote: Void Echo wrote: Atiim wrote: Soldiersaint wrote: Wait correct me if im wrong but the best way to use the swarm launcher now is to do taliban style ambushes ? It's always been that way. AV is only OP in the eyes of QQers like Void and Tankashiro because they are biased, and have never gone up against people with AV that don't hide in the redline. And now AV is on the chop block because CCP has to many buckets of thier tears don't bring me into this scrub... im done arguing and debating the non-existing balance.. especially with biased pricks like you. the biggest thing going against you is that you are a tank driver yet your advocating tanks being nerfed even more so that even complete retards like you can solo your own tank by yourself with militia AV. your a giant contradiction and will never have any respect from anyone other than lukeboy and the others who have stated before that they want this to be call of duty without vehicles. WHEN FOR THE LOVE OF GOD ALMIGHTY HAVE I EVER SAID THAT I WANT TANKS TO BE NERFED? Anyways, actually the fact that I am a tank driver who sides with AV is the best thing I have going for me currently, as despite your thoughts, makes me quite possibly one of the only people who's opinion matters, as unlike 90% of the community, I have seen everything from all points of views, as I am quite literally everything in this game, from Heavies and Scouts, to Assault and Logistics, to even Tanker and AV. The fact that you are a tanker without PRO AV and call me a biased prick at the same time is laughably pathetic, as anyone with half a brain on these forums would be laughing at you by now. You are actually a walking definition of hypocrisy, considering that you tell people "HTFU you aren't a tanker, so your opinions don't matter", yet you are the first one to jump when people tell you "HTFU you aren't AV, so your opinions don't matter. No MLT AV with no skills invested have ever soloed a well fitted tank, and I have never once said nor implied the following: Tanks should be nerfed AV should be buffed I should solo with MLT AV "HTFU your opinions don't matter" (except to counter the arguments of those who have said similar) The fact that you imply that I have said any of this is dumbfounding, as that would mean you don't even completely read and comprehend what I am saying, heck I even had a post of you admitting to this yourself. I have done literally nothing but try to explain things from the view of AV, yet some people still said "HTFU lukeoboy you aren't a real tanker because you side with AV". Well now that this argument was thrown out the window by your own video (which we've yet to see), you have absolutely nothing to counter my truth. The respect the community has won't matter, as if something is wrong it's wrong, no matter how many people support the contrary. And if you ask people who know me in-game, they will tell you just how un-biased I truly am. And as far as my tank and your tank goes Mine>Yours. I won't explain why in this post, because I want you to have some time to think about this before you talk about my "**** Fit" TL;DR: I am quite literally one of the most non-biased person this forum has and will ever see like I said, im not getting dragged into this.... the fact that you side with av in the non-existing balance makes you the biggest contradiction in the game, and yes we have proof that you want tanks to be non existing.... your posts say it all... when we want a buff, you come here saying no we should be nerfed because you can solo us. and about your tank... there is no possibly way you know more about tanks in your mere 4 months than someone like me who has used tanks for over a year. every point you make makes you look weaker and more stupid. tanks are the biggest joke in the game next to dropships, if my SP and ISK investment doesn't make me higher level than you along with my experience, then why the hell is there personal investment in this game? might as well play call of duty and be a mindless gun slinging grunt like you. XD This account is an alt, made back in June when I decided not to be amarr anymore And yeah you've yet confront anything I've said and now instead of admitting defeat you resort to ad hominiem. Pathetic My post was 100% correct, and you cannot supply a single post where I've stated that I want tanks to be nerfed. You on the other hand have still yet to use PRO AV, so yeah by your own logic your opinoin doesn't matter My Tank>Your Tanks Both of our tanks are great, except mine is 400k, and your's is what 2Mil? If I lose a tank, I can run 1-2 matches in ambush to re-make that ISK, you need to spend an entire day in ambush to make up for yours. You use the most expensive possible, and I use the cheapest gear possible. At the end of the day both get the job done, but I suffer a far less hit and can have way much more fun Fun>Anything in this game So by that standard, My tank>Your tank. If you can't solo me w/MLT AV, or if you get shot by infantry, it's your fault -Tanker's Logic (New ones everyday!)
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 468	Posted - 2013.10.30 23:38:00 - [24] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Atiim wrote: WHEN FOR THE LOVE OF GOD ALMIGHTY HAVE I EVER SAID THAT I WANT TANKS TO BE NERFED? Anyways, actually the fact that I am a tank driver who sides with AV is the best thing I have going for me currently, And I'm former AV that sides with Tanks.....what's your point? Good for your :D You aren't biased If you can't solo me w/MLT AV, or if you get shot by infantry, it's your fault -Tanker's Logic (New ones everyday!)
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 468	Posted - 2013.10.31 01:53:00 - [25] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: True Adamance wrote: Atiim wrote: WHEN FOR THE LOVE OF GOD ALMIGHTY HAVE I EVER SAID THAT I WANT TANKS TO BE NERFED? Anyways, actually the fact that I am a tank driver who sides with AV is the best thing I have going for me currently, And I'm former AV that sides with Tanks.....what's your point? Maybe it's because he only uses horrible fits and he knows when he gets soloed the person probably has 3 times the SP in AV then he does in tanks. 3 mil in vehicles, 1.5 mill in AV I was a tanker long before I was PRO AV Get your facts straight I am everything AV, Tanker, Logi, Scout, Heavy, and so much more This is the setup of those who are unbiased
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 476	Posted - 2013.10.31 13:19:00 - [26] - Quote Vehicles have PRO weapons and PRO modules. All they need is ADV and PRO hulls I am everything AV, Tanker, Logi, Scout, Heavy, and so much more This is the setup of those who are unbiased
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 476	Posted - 2013.10.31 13:33:00 - [27] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Atiim wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: True Adamance wrote: Atiim wrote: WHEN FOR THE LOVE OF GOD ALMIGHTY HAVE I EVER SAID THAT I WANT TANKS TO BE NERFED? Anyways, actually the fact that I am a tank driver who sides with AV is the best thing I have going for me currently, And I'm former AV that sides with Tanks.....what's your point? Maybe it's because he only uses horrible fits and he knows when he gets soloed the person probably has 3 times the SP in AV then he does in tanks. 3 mil in vehicles, 1.5 mill in AV I was a tanker long before I was PRO AV Get your facts straight You aint anything but a bad player Yep, never played with or against you, so I feel really insulted At least I don't have to QQ every time my tank goes boom. And you think your a good player? Doing what? Tanking? Untill AV or an enemy tank rolls out, tanks are quite literally the easiest class in the entire game, and the giant SP sink is filled by doing what exactly? Going pew pew in a steel box with infinite ammo that's what. Scouts have to use stealth tactics and situational awareness Logi's have to keep the team alive Assualt has to coordinate and push objectives Heavies have to lead the pack during pushes LLAVs rep people and make quick transportation methods Tanks? They just spam infinite rounds at infantry until somebody decides to bring one of the only 4 (technically 6) weapons in the game that can kill them to well.. Kill them. Now I'm not gonna sit here and say tanks are useless because in the right hands they can be more than a steel box with infinite ammo, but 90% of tanks that are popped by AV were poped because when they got hit the first time, they decided to stand there and keep firing in said steel box I'm not saying tanks are complete easymode. But they surely aren't hard. That role belongs to scouts. I am everything AV, Tanker, Logi, Scout, Heavy, and so much more This is the setup of those who are unbiased
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 486	Posted - 2013.10.31 13:36:00 - [28] - Quote chase rowland wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: True Adamance wrote: Atiim wrote: WHEN FOR THE LOVE OF GOD ALMIGHTY HAVE I EVER SAID THAT I WANT TANKS TO BE NERFED? Anyways, actually the fact that I am a tank driver who sides with AV is the best thing I have going for me currently, And I'm former AV that sides with Tanks.....what's your point? Maybe it's because he only uses horrible fits and he knows when he gets soloed the person probably has 3 times the SP in AV then he does in tanks. i know void. hes a vet and he has more sp then most. mostly into tanking. im not going to argue with you guys here, but i know voids fittings. hes no joke. im going to have to side with him in all of these arguments as he has the most experience. nuff said If he has to QQ about something being able to kill him, then yeah he's a bigger joke than lomandos running dual Nova Knives I am everything AV, Tanker, Logi, Scout, Heavy, and so much more This is the setup of those who are unbiased
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 490	Posted - 2013.10.31 22:12:00 - [29] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: KenKaniff69 wrote: Gloomy Cobra wrote: i never really understood why ccp made the forge guns really strong against armor...Its based on electric energy, which should do more damage on shields than armor yet that not true..... Oh well. Btw really good post, i enjoyed reading it :) Exactly my point. In chrome, forge was for shield and swarms were for armor. Now both have an efficiency rating towards armor. WTF CCP please revert the efficiencies. Heavy Laser and Heavy Plasma Cannon will both be good against shields. Good point, that's probably why CCP decided to change the Forge Gun's effectiveness to armor, because they began working on the Heavy PLC and Heavy LR I just wish CCP had told people why they changed the FGs efficiency, that way we wouldn't have so many people moaning and groaning about it. Or they just wanted to give Gunnlogi pilots a break. I am everything AV, Tanker, Logi, Scout, Heavy, and so much more This is the setup of those who are unbiased
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 490	Posted - 2013.10.31 22:34:00 - [30] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Atiim wrote: Vehicles have PRO weapons and PRO modules. All they need is ADV and PRO hulls LOL We don't have PRO modules. See, I told you you're not a tanker. You sure? Active scanners, CPU/PG enhancers, Damage control units, etc I didn't say you had all PRO modules And Void Echo has a video of me in my tank. Point moot. I am everything AV, Tanker, Logi, Scout, Heavy, and so much more -HAND

Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 490	Posted - 2013.10.31 22:36:00 - [31] - Quote Void Echo wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Atiim wrote: Vehicles have PRO weapons and PRO modules. All they need is ADV and PRO hulls LOL We don't have PRO modules. See, I told you you're not a tanker. we don't have proto modules or hulls, we have proto turrets... modules are categorized as follows: Basic, enhanced, complex. there are no advanced or proto modules, only proto turrets. refer to ^^^ I am everything AV, Tanker, Logi, Scout, Heavy, and so much more -HAND