If your 4000 point game is taking longer than nine minutes, and you're not scoring more than 1000 points in the first two minutes or so of the battle, you'll not be affected by this feature once we get the new numbers onto TQ.

I was wondering about this:

So I am running a Domination.... the one where "A" is in the city/complex, where there is a supply depot underground in a room just down a short hallway from A.

So I am running logi, and drop multiple uplinks in the room with supply depot, and two uplinks in the silo where the "A"objective is.

I then go swap out to my Nanohive logi suit, and drop some nanohives, both the ammo ones and the triage ones, at varous stations near to where the combat is going to be.

I then swap out to my combat suit with hand-scanner and start shooting people in the face.

I appear to be the only one with uplinks out, as I am getting a spawn WP notification ever few seconds. I also am getting ammo notifications, along with triage (25 and 50 point) notifications, and I'm also getting the odd kill.

But I notice that some of my spawns generate 22 WP instead of 25.... that my rep notifications give me 8 WP instead of 10... and then I just killed a person for 47 WP.

Now I get that we need to avoid exploits where people are farming WP.... but my understanding is that by deploying uplinks, nanohives and then scanning/shooting people, I am playing the game as intended.

Is there a way to limit the ability to cheat and exploit the WP system without reducing the legitimate WP gained through as-designed gameplay?

Lol, had to stop reading and comment. The irony is strong. Yes what you are doing is designed gameplay, but it is a known exploit and confirmed by CCP logibro if memory serves. You are not supposed to be able to have a spam uplink suit, spam nano suit.

You are spamming and farming wp. There is no skill attributed to farming in this manner, all you contribute is lag

They are going to sort out the multiple variant same module suit spammage, probably 2 years from now granted.

Untill then why don't you grow a pair and be a proper logibro, delete those suits or use them in PC only ( tbh it's unfortunately expected) or will we get the usual " but mum they did it" mentality

I would sign a position to remove wp entirely from 3rd active equipment of same type.

Oh and BTW I do logi and practice what i preach. You never have and never will see me doing what you and your respective monkeys do. You are nothing but a piece of macro code in the beginning of the match.

your rep tools will be getting a buff in 1.6

Hello everyone,

I see there is some confusion about this because it wasn't messaged properly. I'm rather confused how it was left out of the official messaging for the hotfix deployed on October 24.

Regardless, this is the patch note for the hotfix:

"Apply a limiter, capping the warpoint gained per minute of the players who are farming warpoints or cheating."

This is to prevent people from setting up a scheme where a friend runs in and dies, then gets revived by a teammate, only to die again, and this happens over and over.

We of course want your feedback about it on if the limiter is too strict.

Amazing how stupid your bandaid fixes keep coming along.
Maybe, just maybe - you should take a look at the equipment instead.

Have you seen the kind of WP logis gain when their teams get struck by an orbital and now 8+ people spawn immediately from uplinks? Add this to the fact that in some matches the ebb and flow is such that logis continue to accrue all match long via a constant flow of uplink spawns, resupply points through hives, triage, and so on. As someone who routinely scores 3000-4000 WP a game (much of it coming in large spurts), performing legitimate support activities that help my team, I worry that I'm going to be affected here.

I like my play style the way it is and I don't want to be punished for it.

Thanks Greyscale, for explaining the rationale and math behind the warpoint limiter.

The only thing I don't like is that the ceiling is scaled per minute from the very beginning of the match. In ambushes specifically, sometimes you spawn in within 50 meters of the reds, so you might end up scoring kills that are subsequently penalized within less than a minute of the start of the battle.

Maybe you should build incrementally from another fixed WP value other than zero - say 500 WP limit right at the beginning, then 400 WP per minute after that?

Perhaps we'd be better served by tweaking the initial spawn system in Ambush.



Then again, it is called "Ambush" ... so maybe its intentional ... lol

Sounds like logi warpoint rewards is broken then...

You are out of your mind. My uplinks and hives win matches, playa'. Logis deserve every single WP that we receive because we elevate our entire team. You might be a killer but I am a war machine--the very infrastructure that leads a team to victory.

I dont get capping equipment either. If im in a dom and am the only one running links. Ob kills half my team, im being punished for dropping a spawn point.

Lol, had to stop reading and comment. The irony is strong. Yes what you are doing is designed gameplay, but it is a known exploit and confirmed by CCP logibro if memory serves. You are not supposed to be able to have a spam uplink suit, spam nano suit.

You are spamming and farming wp. There is no skill attributed to farming in this manner, all you contribute is lag

They are going to sort out the multiple variant same module suit spammage, probably 2 years from now granted.

Untill then why don't you grow a pair and be a proper logibro, delete those suits or use them in PC only ( tbh it's unfortunately expected) or will we get the usual " but mum they did it" mentality

I would sign a position to remove wp entirely from 3rd active equipment of same type.

Oh and BTW I do logi and practice what i preach. You never have and never will see me doing what you and your respective monkeys do. You are nothing but a piece of macro code in the beginning of the match.

If it makes you feel any better, I can tell you that you were in the top five characters for "number of minutes in which WP scores were reduced"

CCP Logibro made a retraction because much of the logi community went bonkers in response to his bug report. Mass deployment of uplinks and hives is not an exploit, it's legit logi play. Players wouldn't keep sucking up ammo, receiving triage, and spawning from uplinks if it weren't a legit support capability.

Lol, had to stop reading and comment. The irony is strong. Yes what you are doing is designed gameplay, but it is a known exploit and confirmed by CCP logibro if memory serves. You are not supposed to be able to have a spam uplink suit, spam nano suit.

You are spamming and farming wp. There is no skill attributed to farming in this manner, all you contribute is lag

They are going to sort out the multiple variant same module suit spammage, probably 2 years from now granted.

Untill then why don't you grow a pair and be a proper logibro, delete those suits or use them in PC only ( tbh it's unfortunately expected) or will we get the usual " but mum they did it" mentality

I would sign a position to remove wp entirely from 3rd active equipment of same type.

Oh and BTW I do logi and practice what i preach. You never have and never will see me doing what you and your respective monkeys do. You are nothing but a piece of macro code in the beginning of the match.

As a side-effect of the above, the system is more likely to start clipping scores if you score large amounts of WP in the first minute or two; this isn't optimal, but in the course of a normal battle (ie starting from the beginning rather than joining midway through) there's little opportunity to get big scores in your first minute or so, which should significantly reduce the impact of this factor.

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Thanks to some very astute data mining by one of our programmers, we managed to isolate the highest WP/minute scores by looking for incidences of players having their scores reduced by the cap, thus shortcutting the problem of having to analyze the entire playerbase to find these high-peaking players.

What we're seeing in these data, somewhat unsurprisingly, is that it's possible to really spike your WP payouts and trip the cap in certain circumstances. For example, dropping a Precision Strike on a squad objective and killing what looks like five infantry and two full HAVs gets you a large number of points, which can swing you up considerably past 300/minute net if it happens relatively early in the battle, and the follow-up strikes you're getting from that flood of WP hardly help the matter over the course of the battle.

The more complexity and special-casing you add into the system, the more loopholes you end up with, so we really want to avoid adding any additional rules like this if we can possibly avoid it. The overall goal of the cap is for it to be just low enough that players actively farming WP find that it's not worth the boredom of doing it when they could be making nearly as much and having more fun playing normally.

Whoa there.... easy with the accusations.

I have one Uplink logi suit, with two proto uplinks (3 active simultaneously on each) and a X3 nanohive.
I have one Nano logi suit... with a Proto Triage, a Proto Ammo, and a K2 Nanohive.

So, at most, I can put down 6 uplinks and 9 nanohives (if my math is correct)..... I do not swap suits for a suit with the same modules and drop multiple of the same item type (which I believe is the exploit to which you are referring).

Please get your facts straight before making accusations.

Hello everyone,

I see there is some confusion about this because it wasn't messaged properly. I'm rather confused how it was left out of the official messaging for the hotfix deployed on October 24.

Regardless, this is the patch note for the hotfix:

"Apply a limiter, capping the warpoint gained per minute of the players who are farming warpoints or cheating."

This is to prevent people from setting up a scheme where a friend runs in and dies, then gets revived by a teammate, only to die again, and this happens over and over.

We of course want your feedback about it on if the limiter is too strict.

Just caught up on that post, wow loads of pages, just skimread it tbh

I now completely understand why you have written what you have

In that post you openly admit to dropping 13 uplinks and then switching to drop 13 nanohives

There wasn't a full official retraction by logibro and yes they have been working on ways to stop players such as yourself in abusing this poorly designed system.

I am very aware you dont agree that you are abusing it.

But thanks to you and the players like you, I reckon thats why this blanket system is in place and sod it, i NOW agree with it.

I do not agree that you should spam uplinks / hives there should be a reasonable limit, you do not need to be a rocket scientist to see that it's not right.

Here's hoping it hits you and the other what 4-5 people in that thread max, really hard and you start playing the game where the suit has what you want and need on it as opposed to specifically designing setups that just drop crap on the floor, to eventually change to a reasonably fitted suit

edit: and i believe that they will further standardise to the norm, equipment. Oh yeh sorry you will call that nerfing if you cant get points from 26 pieces of equipment on the field

Whoa there.... easy with the accusations.

I have one Uplink logi suit, with two proto uplinks (3 active simultaneously on each) and a X3 nanohive.
I have one Nano logi suit... with a Proto Triage, a Proto Ammo, and a K2 Nanohive.

So, at most, I can put down 6 uplinks and 9 nanohives (if my math is correct)..... I do not swap suits for a suit with the same modules and drop multiple of the same item type (which I believe is the exploit to which you are referring).

Please get your facts straight before making accusations.

Heya,i was going to apologise but then you did confirm my fears.

Thank you for confirming that you are farming from 15 pieces of equipment on the field simultaneously before swapping out to a suit you are actually going to use.