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Mirataf
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Posted - 2013.10.29 19:28:00 -
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God forbid putting this nerf on the actual equipment piece you are saying people abuse.
Let's do the usual and do a blanket nerfbat on wp's as a quick and dirty fix, let's screw over hmg's, shotguns, remote explosives Uplinks, Orbitals...... Probably more (snipers???)
Nanite injectors I Would off thought would be used less per minute than the items above, so they are being hit even harder than the intended equipment fix |
Mirataf
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Posted - 2013.10.30 10:30:00 -
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Nightbird Aeon wrote:I was wondering about this:
So I am running a Domination.... the one where "A" is in the city/complex, where there is a supply depot underground in a room just down a short hallway from A.
So I am running logi, and drop multiple uplinks in the room with supply depot, and two uplinks in the silo where the "A"objective is.
I then go swap out to my Nanohive logi suit, and drop some nanohives, both the ammo ones and the triage ones, at varous stations near to where the combat is going to be.
I then swap out to my combat suit with hand-scanner and start shooting people in the face.
I appear to be the only one with uplinks out, as I am getting a spawn WP notification ever few seconds. I also am getting ammo notifications, along with triage (25 and 50 point) notifications, and I'm also getting the odd kill.
But I notice that some of my spawns generate 22 WP instead of 25.... that my rep notifications give me 8 WP instead of 10... and then I just killed a person for 47 WP.
Now I get that we need to avoid exploits where people are farming WP.... but my understanding is that by deploying uplinks, nanohives and then scanning/shooting people, I am playing the game as intended.
Is there a way to limit the ability to cheat and exploit the WP system without reducing the legitimate WP gained through as-designed gameplay?
Lol, had to stop reading and comment. The irony is strong. Yes what you are doing is designed gameplay, but it is a known exploit and confirmed by CCP logibro if memory serves. You are not supposed to be able to have a spam uplink suit, spam nano suit.
You are spamming and farming wp. There is no skill attributed to farming in this manner, all you contribute is lag
They are going to sort out the multiple variant same module suit spammage, probably 2 years from now granted.
Untill then why don't you grow a pair and be a proper logibro, delete those suits or use them in PC only ( tbh it's unfortunately expected) or will we get the usual " but mum they did it" mentality
I would sign a position to remove wp entirely from 3rd active equipment of same type.
Oh and BTW I do logi and practice what i preach. You never have and never will see me doing what you and your respective monkeys do. You are nothing but a piece of macro code in the beginning of the match.
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Mirataf
WARRIORS 1NC
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Posted - 2013.10.30 11:08:00 -
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DeathwindRising wrote:Soldiersaint wrote:Great now we wont make any profit as a logi. first you cap our rep tool and now you make it that we get less points over time. Real logis are getting punished because of worthless stat padders.....again  your rep tools will be getting a buff in 1.6
Yes but we can't see who to use them on, so it was pointless to do this buff first rather than fix the view of player names and health bars
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Mirataf
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Posted - 2013.10.30 14:00:00 -
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SirManBoy wrote:Mirataf wrote:Nightbird Aeon wrote:I was wondering about this:
So I am running a Domination.... the one where "A" is in the city/complex, where there is a supply depot underground in a room just down a short hallway from A.
So I am running logi, and drop multiple uplinks in the room with supply depot, and two uplinks in the silo where the "A"objective is.
I then go swap out to my Nanohive logi suit, and drop some nanohives, both the ammo ones and the triage ones, at varous stations near to where the combat is going to be.
I then swap out to my combat suit with hand-scanner and start shooting people in the face.
I appear to be the only one with uplinks out, as I am getting a spawn WP notification ever few seconds. I also am getting ammo notifications, along with triage (25 and 50 point) notifications, and I'm also getting the odd kill.
But I notice that some of my spawns generate 22 WP instead of 25.... that my rep notifications give me 8 WP instead of 10... and then I just killed a person for 47 WP.
Now I get that we need to avoid exploits where people are farming WP.... but my understanding is that by deploying uplinks, nanohives and then scanning/shooting people, I am playing the game as intended.
Is there a way to limit the ability to cheat and exploit the WP system without reducing the legitimate WP gained through as-designed gameplay? Lol, had to stop reading and comment. The irony is strong. Yes what you are doing is designed gameplay, but it is a known exploit and confirmed by CCP logibro if memory serves. You are not supposed to be able to have a spam uplink suit, spam nano suit. You are spamming and farming wp. There is no skill attributed to farming in this manner, all you contribute is lag They are going to sort out the multiple variant same module suit spammage, probably 2 years from now granted. Untill then why don't you grow a pair and be a proper logibro, delete those suits or use them in PC only ( tbh it's unfortunately expected) or will we get the usual " but mum they did it" mentality I would sign a position to remove wp entirely from 3rd active equipment of same type. Oh and BTW I do logi and practice what i preach. You never have and never will see me doing what you and your respective monkeys do. You are nothing but a piece of macro code in the beginning of the match. CCP Logibro made a retraction because much of the logi community went bonkers in response to his bug report. Mass deployment of uplinks and hives is not an exploit, it's legit logi play. Players wouldn't keep sucking up ammo, receiving triage, and spawning from uplinks if it weren't a legit support capability.
Just caught up on that post, wow loads of pages, just skimread it tbh
I now completely understand why you have written what you have
In that post you openly admit to dropping 13 uplinks and then switching to drop 13 nanohives
There wasn't a full official retraction by logibro and yes they have been working on ways to stop players such as yourself in abusing this poorly designed system.
I am very aware you dont agree that you are abusing it.
But thanks to you and the players like you, I reckon thats why this blanket system is in place and sod it, i NOW agree with it.
I do not agree that you should spam uplinks / hives there should be a reasonable limit, you do not need to be a rocket scientist to see that it's not right.
Here's hoping it hits you and the other what 4-5 people in that thread max, really hard and you start playing the game where the suit has what you want and need on it as opposed to specifically designing setups that just drop crap on the floor, to eventually change to a reasonably fitted suit
edit: and i believe that they will further standardise to the norm, equipment. Oh yeh sorry you will call that nerfing if you cant get points from 26 pieces of equipment on the field |
Mirataf
WARRIORS 1NC
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Posted - 2013.10.30 15:10:00 -
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Nightbird Aeon wrote:Mirataf wrote:Nightbird Aeon wrote:I was wondering about this:
So I am running a Domination.... the one where "A" is in the city/complex, where there is a supply depot underground in a room just down a short hallway from A.
So I am running logi, and drop multiple uplinks in the room with supply depot, and two uplinks in the silo where the "A"objective is.
I then go swap out to my Nanohive logi suit, and drop some nanohives, both the ammo ones and the triage ones, at varous stations near to where the combat is going to be.
I then swap out to my combat suit with hand-scanner and start shooting people in the face.
I appear to be the only one with uplinks out, as I am getting a spawn WP notification ever few seconds. I also am getting ammo notifications, along with triage (25 and 50 point) notifications, and I'm also getting the odd kill.
But I notice that some of my spawns generate 22 WP instead of 25.... that my rep notifications give me 8 WP instead of 10... and then I just killed a person for 47 WP.
Now I get that we need to avoid exploits where people are farming WP.... but my understanding is that by deploying uplinks, nanohives and then scanning/shooting people, I am playing the game as intended.
Is there a way to limit the ability to cheat and exploit the WP system without reducing the legitimate WP gained through as-designed gameplay? Lol, had to stop reading and comment. The irony is strong. Yes what you are doing is designed gameplay, but it is a known exploit and confirmed by CCP logibro if memory serves. You are not supposed to be able to have a spam uplink suit, spam nano suit. You are spamming and farming wp. There is no skill attributed to farming in this manner, all you contribute is lag They are going to sort out the multiple variant same module suit spammage, probably 2 years from now granted. Untill then why don't you grow a pair and be a proper logibro, delete those suits or use them in PC only ( tbh it's unfortunately expected) or will we get the usual " but mum they did it" mentality I would sign a position to remove wp entirely from 3rd active equipment of same type. Oh and BTW I do logi and practice what i preach. You never have and never will see me doing what you and your respective monkeys do. You are nothing but a piece of macro code in the beginning of the match. Whoa there.... easy with the accusations. I have one Uplink logi suit, with two proto uplinks (3 active simultaneously on each) and a X3 nanohive. I have one Nano logi suit... with a Proto Triage, a Proto Ammo, and a K2 Nanohive. So, at most, I can put down 6 uplinks and 9 nanohives (if my math is correct)..... I do not swap suits for a suit with the same modules and drop multiple of the same item type (which I believe is the exploit to which you are referring). Please get your facts straight before making accusations.
Heya,i was going to apologise but then you did confirm my fears.
Thank you for confirming that you are farming from 15 pieces of equipment on the field simultaneously before swapping out to a suit you are actually going to use.
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Mirataf
WARRIORS 1NC
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Posted - 2013.10.31 12:30:00 -
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Nova Knife wrote:SirManBoy wrote:
No and no. Your fourth point is especially troubling because it's as if you aren't aware of the fact that the marketplace carries these variants for us to buy and use. Some of these variants are diverse (only ammo, only triage, a combo thereof) and some are statistically indistinguishable from one another (ie. multiple proto uplinks with exactly the same stats--spawn speed, number of spawns, etc.) and are only different in name. Why, then, would I purchase these variants, if I were capped on how many I could use overall? The max carry and deploy stat has clearly always been associated with each individual piece of equipment, not the equipment class. Your position is based on your own bias against aggressive logistics play and does not represent the reality associated how the equipment was designed and the many variants within a type that were designed. The current system encourages me to purchase and consume a variety of items because I benefit by doing so. You would have it so my demand for all these items would decrease as I'd now be choosing several variants only based on which brand name I prefer. It would no longer benefit me to purchase and consume a wide variety of equipment variants because you would limit my ability to utilize those variants at the same time. Lame.
Please stop trying to be the playstyle police.
The purpose of the variants is to create flavor among players, to suit their needs and preferences. Not to cause an unholy amount of equipment spam. I spent a few minutes trying to track down a picture I've seen where someone took a screenshot of literally an entire objective's surrounding area was surrounded by friendly uplinks. Several dozen, all by different people using "Uplink suits". That is entirely unintended, and CCP has said as much. Equipment is supposed to be valuable, and carefully placed to help your team. Not simply be placed /everywhere/ by spam suits and then have the person swap to a 'slayer suit' when the spam is done. I'm not trying to be the playstyle police by any means. But I do take issue with people using mechanical loopholes that -do- result in framerate and performance issues. (Personally I don't mind the spam all that much from a gameplay standpoint because they feed me sweet delicious points when I blow all the equipment up, but there is no denying that it's just plain silly)
Nova, if you haven't already read from page 9. SirManBoy will defend this till his dying days, he genuinely believes that there is nothing wrong with dropping 26 pieces of equipment to farm and obviously the scalability of this and with the sandbox nature of the game and intended.
I'm sorry but if you have the normal what 3 logistics players per side with 78 pieces of equipment dropped per side 156 pieces of equipment in total, bloody ridiculous
Can you give a blue tag a poke and get an answer |
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