But are you forgetting this would encourage more EVE support, then people could actually take advantage of the EVE EMP support to destroy all the uplnks that get littered around Domination.

An interesting wrinkle (but I don't want to derail the thread), but maybe Eve militias can spend LP to start one of these "trains" in a desired system/planet or increase the rewards for players that are heavily involved in taking a particular planet.

The idea in the OP of players getting larger rewards for following through with a sequence of these battles seems like a interesting incentive as well since there is a larger time commitment required.

+0.5

Well the biggest flaw in the OP plan is using Ambush and Ambush OMS lol Domination I could deal with but not any form of Ambush. In my opinion they are not objective based game modes and have no place in Dus...I mean Faction Warfare.

Love the multi-stage idea (a lot like Killzone Warzone which is the best FPS mode ever IMO). Just need some new modes for it. Some kind of Breach mode combined with a Demolition type mode would be ideal.

I dream of the day a corporation can attack a District and move through a couple of stages of defense...hack and capture a space elevator and take that baby to the top...fight our way through a space station....overload the reactor and set it to blow...steal a ship....and then escape back to the planet.

Can you deal with that?!

The way I see it, though, implementing this would essentially turn Ambush and OMS, at least in FW, into an objective based mode. The objective being win to gain/maintain control of the district.

But are you forgetting this would encourage more EVE support, then people could actually take advantage of the EVE EMP support to destroy all the uplnks that get littered around Domination.

Sounds good

Flowchart shows that if you lose a Skirmish you get sent back to fight the ambush OMS, is this to give a feeling and to show that the defenders are pushing out the attackers and off ther district?

Exactly, yes. Defenders win through Ambush, like they are pushing the attackers off their land. Attackers win by Domination, like they are taking over the critical infrastructure. It tug-of-wars back and forth between the modes.

Irrelevant.

I can have multiple forge gunners trained on the terminal the moment after it is hacked, all from different angles, all spread out over several hundred meters. If we are set up right, you will never kill us all in a coordinated fashion. We can also make use of thales snipers, which you will likely never find. If you did, it will have taken far more effort than is justifiable to turn the tide of a single game.

And even if a map is set up with an interior terminal that can't be sniped, it still creates a ridiculously one dimensional bottleneck with grenade spam.


Winning domination on a meta-level does not mean sitting around the terminal. It means capping it then running as far away as humanly possible and one shotting anything that approaches the area. It is a bad game mode, period.

Get ready for games which last hours

You must of missed the part where all individual battles are still the normal length and there's a 5 minute warbarge intermission between stages of the overall mission.

Still hours for one district if it goes back and forth

This is a good thing, you can leave during beaks if you need to and take the LP you have earned to that point I would presume

You should go ask people in FW Channels and get their opinions too. Just don't make the same mistake I did Aero.

Otherwise you'll have idiots thinking that player owned corps should have territory in FW.

Player corps do somewhat have territory in FW, they base out of certain systems, which effectively become home systems, I don't see why Dusters cannot make use of Militia constructed facilities in those systems.

But Aero's point stands, its using in game content in a new way, to make the battles much more dynamic.

The only issue I see with it is who will stay for 3+ Matches when they are redlining to opposite team every time.

This is definitely an interesting idea that is worth exploring. +1

I really like the idea of progression on this "train" across a planet and maybe even from system to system. It would help give players an idea of how the different areas in New Eden are connected together.

The only problem I see with this set-up is the time involved. IT could take hours and hours to finish a set of matches....OR days if that's what separates the battles. I would stick with just 3 total battles as opposed to 4. Otherwise great concept, but I would still prefer skirmish 1.0....which apparently won't ever happen again cause its "old tech"

I rather like the idea that it could possibly take hours, or longer, for control of a district to change. To me, then, winning the district would be a much greater accomplishment than just a 15 minute skirmish.

Player corps do somewhat have territory in FW, they base out of certain systems, which effectively become home systems, I don't see why Dusters cannot make use of Militia constructed facilities in those systems.

But Aero's point stands, its using in game content in a new way, to make the battles much more dynamic.

The only issue I see with it is who will stay for 3+ Matches when they are redlining to opposite team every time.

Faction Warfare right now has some flaws and CCP is addressing some flaws with the recent changes, mainly adding rewards. But even after these changes, faction warfare will still lack a sense of progression and EVE players trying to give support to their Dust players will still end up getting ping-ponged across New Eden. So why not knock out two birds with one stone?

Part of the progression issue is that it seems odd that a 15 minute skirmish is all that decides the outcome of a district. Instead of making the battles longer, I propose the following.

Say the Imperial Guard is attacking a district owned by the Republic Command. The battle will proceed as follows:

1. Ambush. The attackers are trying to gain a foothold in the district. If the defenders win, then the district is successfully defended and temporarily locked up. If the attackers win, proceed to case (2).
2. Ambush OMS. The attackers gained some ground and opened up the battlefield to off map support. If the defenders win, return to case (1). If the attackers win, proceed to case (3).
3. Skirmish. The attackers have made their presence known and are trying to seize as much territory as possible. If the defenders win, return to case (2). If the attackers win, proceed to case (4).
4. Domination. The attackers are going in for the finishing blow on the critical objective. If the defenders win, return to case (3). If the attackers win, the district is successfully captured and temporarily locked up.

Here is a flow chart by everyone's favorite cat to help you visualize this,
http://i.imgur.com/fnaa7RI.png
EDIT: It came to my attention that a mod may mistake me for a Cat Merc alt. Obviously this is not the case, he simply helped me in collaboration of this idea over skype.

Each battle would happen on the same mega terrain, but would use different maps and moods as you are moving to different portions of the district (perhaps rotating moods between matches to give the illusion of a day/night cycle). After each map, players will be returned to the warbarge where they wait about 5 minutes for the next stage of the battle to happen. If players leave, new players queued for FW will replace them. Bonus rewards for players who stick from the beginning of the battle to the end if successful. This would also help solve the case of EVE players ping-ponging across the warzone, as they would spend more time sticking around the planet then flying several jumps to the next one.

Additionally, imagine you take all the districts that the Amarr and Minmatar fight over for example and string them together to form this circular track such that one district leads to the next nearby district and so on and so forth until the last district leads back to the first district. Now imagine you are on a GÇ£trainGÇ¥ following this track. Once the district you are fighting on gets GÇ£locked,GÇ¥ you advanced along the track to the next district. This will give an even deeper sense of progression for the Dust players as well as further help in keeping the EVE players localized. To accomodate for the large player base, new GÇ£trainsGÇ¥ will be created to follow this same track but be evenly spaced out. Also in this case, the district wouldnGÇÖt actually need to be GÇ£locked,GÇ¥ instead it simply wouldnGÇÖt be attacked again until the next GÇ£trainGÇ¥ arrives.

And even better, CCP wouldnGÇÖt have to create anything new as this uses entirely existing resources.

I like it a lot.

Although, can I add in a suggestion?

How about instead of returning to the warbarge waiting to proceed to the next case (ie: case 1 to case 2) how about introduce a dynamic redline just as what was once featured in Skirmish 1.0 in closed beta (Replication Build)?

Case 1: Ambush-like redline which is small and constricted as usual.
Case 2: Ambush-OMS redline which is still small but more expanded to accommodate the installations.
Case 3: Redline in Ambush OMS will expand outward to the nearest outpost to include the objectives.
Case 4: Redline in Skirmish expands further to include a final objective to fight over.

Note: Just like Skirmish 1.0, the default spawns move closer to the objectives with each case and the MCC slowly moves in.