An amarrian came up with this? How?

I support this.

Top stuff, evenly matched teams could pit themselves for hours in nail biting seesaw battles over a district, meanwhile eve pilots can remain over one planet and fight for dominance of the connection point (whatever it's called). Very glad a CPM has spotted this one already

I like it a lot.

Although, can I add in a suggestion?

How about instead of returning to the warbarge waiting to proceed to the next case (ie: case 1 to case 2) how about introduce a dynamic redline just as what was once featured in Skirmish 1.0 in closed beta (Replication Build)?

Case 1: Ambush-like redline which is small and constricted as usual.
Case 2: Ambush-OMS redline which is still small but more expanded to accommodate the installations.
Case 3: Redline in Ambush OMS will expand outward to the nearest outpost to include the objectives.
Case 4: Redline in Skirmish expands further to include a final objective to fight over.

Note: Just like Skirmish 1.0, the default spawns move closer to the objectives with each case and the MCC slowly moves in.

It's a cool idea no doubt, but the problem with this in my opinion is it makes the individual matches too long and gives the players no convenient opportunity to leave. I know some of us can have massive gaming sessions, but not everyone always has that much time. To me, it is important that individual matches still last about the same length.

Again, just my opinion.

maybe put together a new fit for a situational issue

precisely, you get a few minutes to discuss how the previous round went, decide on tactics now that you have a feel for your opposition, eat little segments of oranges your mum sent.......oh sorry wrong game! lol

you get my drift

The exciting thing about this idea is that there is not a lot of new stuff that CCP would need to get into the game, it feels like it could be achieved relatively easily, this is of course said from a position of extreme ignorance when it comes to games programming!

I wouldn't have the cycle fully reset but maybe back down a notch so it becomes a tug of war. Overall cool idea until we get more game modes in.

Well, if it's better to have breaks in between matches, then fine by me. I just threw in my suggestion to see if others like it.

How long will the district be locked for?

Who is Zion?

Domination is a god awful game mode and should not ever be used for anything official under any circumstances.

It is the single most ridiculous meat grinder this game has to offer and there is zero strategy whatsoever.

If you really want you could add an ambush in their somewhere, but what I think you should do is turn these 3 stages almost into 1 large battle!

Break each bit up as normal but give every merc in the previous battle, the chance to renew their contract to automatically take part in the next stage!

Ah ha. I think I will do some research into just who you are Aero Yassavi. I think I have you previous character finally figured out!

Don't ignore me Aero, I'm getting close I know it!

This week had to have meant yesterday, but we only played a single match together....

The way I see it, though, implementing this would essentially turn Ambush and OMS, at least in FW, into an objective based mode. The objective being win to gain/maintain control of the district.

Sounds good

Flowchart shows that if you lose a Skirmish you get sent back to fight the ambush OMS, is this to give a feeling and to show that the defenders are pushing out the attackers and off ther district?

Get ready for games which last hours

This is a good thing, you can leave during beaks if you need to and take the LP you have earned to that point I would presume

I rather like the idea that it could possibly take hours, or longer, for control of a district to change. To me, then, winning the district would be a much greater accomplishment than just a 15 minute skirmish.

Player corps do somewhat have territory in FW, they base out of certain systems, which effectively become home systems, I don't see why Dusters cannot make use of Militia constructed facilities in those systems.

But Aero's point stands, its using in game content in a new way, to make the battles much more dynamic.

The only issue I see with it is who will stay for 3+ Matches when they are redlining to opposite team every time.

a total clone count could work as a safe measure to avoid perpetual stalemate, if x team lost 75 of 100 clones on the 2 first battles, the team would be left with 25 clones for skirmish, instead of a clone count per battle, a total clone pool that doesnt regenerates after battle

A finite number of clones on each side yes, but not all clones would be available for each match. There are the logistical issues of getting the clones to the section of the district where the battle is taking place.

So in the initial Ambushes the defenders only have the Clones available for quick deployment to that area, and the Attackers only have access to the clones they are able to land in the enemy District.

Once it progresses to the main areas and the MCCGÇÖs get there, then both sides would have access to more of their clones.

We could apply this to PC too

1. Ambush - like one guy previously mentioned, it should have a tight redline around the map, kind of like back on Chromosome.
2. Ambush OMS - ok
3. Skirmish - ok
4. Domination - Remove this mode and add Skrimish 1.0, in the previous battle the defender's MCC was destroyed so now the attackers can push all the way in the district with their MCC.

Now if only there were proper balance changes for the infantry...

Did not read entire thread but brilliant idea, well thought out, and exposes FW players to all game modes.

Individual matches in dust are quite short when you think of it. If they seem long it's only due to most games being boring out of lack of activity \ enemy dropping the ball.

Overall, i'd love to know what makes you so sure people dont want longer matches as in longer action packed fights. On the contrary, i tend to think there is a tremendous wait for a bigger game mode, with larger player count, and a more attack\defense feel.

You know... That conquest game mode we hear about now and then since the last 2 years.

Bottom line. I wouldnt want to play more FW if i had to be forced to play an ambush game mode, then an OMS , then a skirmish and then a domination. In the end, such a process would probably take 1 hour and a half. And i'm being gentle with all the loadings, lobbies, server starting that would require.

I'd rather see a game mode that lasts 30+ minutes in general. that features a real conquest feeling with different stage (defense relay to multi hack, unlocks access to the main outpost, hack central mainframe, game over.) with several fail safe (defense relay not took after 15 minutes = loss / tickets exhausted = Loss).

With installations dropping etc. Oh but Wait... Aint that skirmish 1.0 with minor changes ? Could it be the answer was here all along ?


Or let's be totally crazy. Why not a game mode that lasts VERY long. Something you could jump in and out when you want knowing the fight will keep on going. People would still benefit from participating without seeing the end (time relative ISK and SP). That would feel like conquest ! You could be sending message during the fight to get people you know because a squad had to leave the fight.

The longer the game also, the better the chance to see Capsuleers jump in and provide orbital strikes as the event will have more visibility in EVE where the moment to moment gameplay is very much slower.

You'd also want to know when the battle would start - the Eve pilots need time to organize and get into position - maybe like an hour? Not sure if this was mentioned yet or not (still reading thread - on page 2 so far - reading threads at work is slow).

15 minutes is not near long enough for most eve pilots to get to the district unless you have extended warbarge time between battles. You likely would not even get a orbital strike in....which we don't have metrics yet for exactly "how long" the beacon has to be held to earn one.

Valid concern about farming.

Lies I can make it from Amarr to anywhere in Devoid and Bleaklands in 15 mins.

Not that EVE players could remain in orbit for long without a fleet to support them. That's perhaps one downside of this....how many fleets are willing to sit in space while they could be plexing or hunt down enemies?

That's actually a good point to which I have an answer (maybe).

You don't need a single fleet. If something big starts going down, Eve pilots will start showing up - maybe in the one's or twos - as news spreads of the fight even more will show up. Eventually a roaming fleet will get involved. Just look at some of the recent battles - I Titan mistakenly jumps to low sec and thousands upon thousands of pilots from around New Eden show up to fight whoever they can target.

Also, if this is managed like incursions, and there is a way to find them like incursions, and there is notice when they begin a new train - well hundreds of pilots respond to those every day events as well.

Have Eve side people, I think, may work itself out. In fact, if you are within x jumps of the train, perhaps you automatically get put into a channel Eve side like with incursions? Fleets form up, and these notices to go people in high and low sec. They don't have to be in FW to fight, after all, just to be able to connect to the planet.

There are some flaws, but I'm sure with all the good feedback someone can iron them out for me.

Disagree - PC is for larger corps, but FW is for all, including small corps that want to have an impact in New Eden.

I think that is a really goods suggestion for the implementation of this particular thread. I guess the next question comes as to when we can get some detailed input from the DEVGÇÖs, and on a side note; when are we going to be getting some detail on the new suits an weapons coming in 1.7 so that we can begin to discuss them?? Final models??

been away for a day but so glad this has become the threadnaught it deserves to be!

Love some of the additional ideas coming up and the enthusiasm for potential capsuleer involvement, BUT don't lose sight of the fact that for a speedy implementation only the bare bones idea is good for us right now, the rest would need to come later. The beauty of this idea is that it feels like it is do-able very quickly and that is what we all want

That said, keep the ideas flowing!!

The FW faction you have on your main is the default for all of your ALTs that share the same PSN

And DJINN Altiim's default was Minmatar

Then all 4 options would be highlighted.

And I know from when my sister made her account a few days ago.

There is no favoritism going on here.

I meant in Skirmish that MCC is destroyed but SOMEHOW the blown-up MCC is in Domination? Dom & Skirm both have MCC's so you would have to explain why 1 is gone or something otherwise it seems off

However I think they might have to readd ISK reward with loyalty points in FW or you get ISK till you win the fight for the District then you get paid a huge amount of LP at the end. Since it'll be multistage I assume you'll be loosing ISK going back & forth so you'll need ISK reward in multistage FW somewhat.

I still like this idea of flowing from one battle to the next even if you didn't make use of all the different types of matches.

CCP needs to get this up seriously lol