It did receive a 30% damage buff with hit detection.

I'm not surprised that the people who want the "easy mode guns" want to defend this tooth and nail. :/

It did receive a 30% damage buff with hit detection.

I'm not surprised that the people who want the "easy mode guns" want to defend this tooth and nail. :/

When are people just going to actually take time to use the SCR properly? SCR > AR.
I b*tched about the SCR because it out worked my AR, but eventually I became smart.

Where did you get that number?
I didn't even realize that I was defending... thank you for showing me.

"I'm going to try and ridicule people who complain about the AR instead of collecting actual information on balance. There's no point in me investigating the Time to Kill within each weapon's optimal range, such as for HMG vs the AR nor other such weapons which are commonly complained over."

@Dovallis Martan JenusKoll where did you get the 30% ?

From the 30% that didn't register prior.

@Dovallis Martan JenusKoll where did you get the 30% ?

The reduction in Time to Kill relative before and after the patch.

How did you measure it?

@Dovallis Martan JenusKoll where did you get the 30% ?

his butt

How did you measure it?

How did you measure it?

I have no idea?
Maybe try?? looking up posts by this guy:

CCP WOLFMAN

By using the weapons myself and by watching recordings.
I'm not making a doctorate off of these things, so I didn't keep official records. If you wish to spend time collecting data and making it accurate on a video game, go right ahead.
I merely estimated the encounter time reduction, and rounded it Down to the closest 10%.
TTK used to be about 4-5 seconds, now it's 2-3 seconds with the AR.

If you think it's faulty in any way I welcome you to write up that doctorate on damage dispersal that you so desperately want to see.

It did receive a 30% damage buff with hit detection.

I'm not surprised that the people who want the "easy mode guns" want to defend this tooth and nail. :/

By using the weapons myself and by watching recordings.
I'm not making a doctorate off of these things, so I didn't keep official records. If you wish to spend time collecting data and making it accurate on a video game, go right ahead.
I merely estimated the encounter time reduction, and rounded it Down to the closest 10%.
TTK used to be about 4-5 seconds, now it's 2-3 seconds with the AR.

If you think it's faulty in any way I welcome you to write up that doctorate on damage dispersal that you so desperately want to see.

Source please.




That you. All I want to know was that you made this number up.
Now please stop posting this **** in my topic. OK?



This number is now officially made up!

My profession teaches me a lot new every day. But there is one constant through all the years: Never trust a statistic that you don't manipulate be yourself.
And this fits very well for this 30%.

Or are you going to tell me that you recorded a couple of matches with the the same latency, same skill level, same fitting, same enemies, hitting the same spot, using the same distance and various other things that I cant think of BEFORE the patch and did the same thing after the patch? And after that you collect the results and build a average number and this number turns out to be the 30%?

Like I said, nothing personal. But this number is still nothing but a opinion.
And selling them as prove and total is dangerous.

Just imagine the AE slavedriver *cough* CCP Rouge is staying behind a poor CCP programmer swinging a whip and screaming: "REMOVE THE 30% FROM THE AR, AND MAKE IT BACK AVAILABLE VIA MICRO TRANSACTION!"

Like I said, nothing personal. But this number is still nothing but a opinion.
And selling them as prove and total is dangerous.

Just imagine the AE slavedriver *cough* CCP Rouge is staying behind a poor CCP programmer swinging a whip and screaming: "REMOVE THE 30% FROM THE AR, AND MAKE IT BACK AVAILABLE VIA MICRO TRANSACTION!"

Which falls along the same logic lines of how you are trying to dismiss the information. It's nothing but your opinion because you don't have any personal research to back up the dismissal?

See, that kind of logic only falls into nasty unrefuted loops mostly because the opposing party refuses to collect data for themselves just in case the opposition may be right. It happens all the time in politics.

Your "data" is based on one video. And this does not count for me as a data. Not on AR, not on other weapons. One video is no enough to run around and tell people that 30% is proven. Of course I'm not collecting, why should I? No healthy-minded person would believe "data" from one video. (which we haven't even see)

All these sweet tasting tears... I need more.

Seriously though, the AR is the most widely used weapon short of lazors. Having said that - yesterday I switched to the militia anti armour fit to kill a tank then headshotted one of his friends to death with the scrambler pistol (Cool story, I know).

Its probably the most widely used weapon currently because its a good match up against scram rifles. I think when/If other racial rifles are introduced the AR will decline a little perhaps.

@Dovallis I'm ignoring you from this point, flat word, one video comparing and so on. claiming 30% from one video is ridicules. This is not a proper analysis.

You're the only one who said it was from one video.

If you're not willing to do some research for yourself you have no right to debunk mine, even if it is heavily faulty.

Let them cry, if they nerf the AR people will just find another weapon to kill them with. What this guys don't understand, is that it is a connection between the AR and FPS vets.

Because it is heavily faulty, no one cares. Your data is useless, please don't mention it again. No sources, only text.

Btw: Mass Driver improved over 35%, I have some data collected, but I'm not going to show you. Just believe me!

Well Ladies the time has come, WE, the almighty community have found something new to ***** and moan about.
Get ready to contribute your share on this in the various crying postings about the AR, or even start your own. But before you start let me show you how not to be "that guy".

Reading a couple of postings I couldn't shake the feeling that some of this posts starts like this: Guy 1 is getting his ass ripped and runs with tears in his eyes in the forum.
OMG I'm using a HMG right? A HEAAAAAVY machine gun and this douvole what ever guy is keep killing me!
wtf?! I should be the one winning! I'm the one using a HMG here, and the what is this X in the weapon Icon anyway?

Well, my first thought was: what the hell is this guy using against a prototype weapon, meta 1? Is he really trying to kill someone using a low level suit? Because the one with the proto is probably wearing minimum advanced suits. How did he approach? Was he standing still? Well we will ever know since he did no tell us. If I fight against a advanced heavy and he is full HP, I would die. And I'm using advanced gear.

Another guy can't overcome the feeling that he is not the best in this game and is seeing the posting from guy 1 and jups in:
I can believe that a AR killed me while I was using a LASOOOR, isn't it obvious that a laser should be the most powerful weapon!? Especially when I am holding it? He killed me in my optimal range *sob*, that is so unfair *sob*! He killed me in a Second! *starts crying*

Again, how are they equipped? Did he approach? Was his opponent a vet? Maybe 15mil+ SP? Maybe he was very skillful, maybe the laser-using-op is a moron? What equipment did they use? Killed in a second? That never happened to me, maybe I should try a prototype weapon, but I highly doubt It would be strong enough. Who knows, may be this guy was running around in militia? And his opponent was skilled out and wearing dmg mods? Did he even knew how to use a laser? That it is not a burst dmg weapon? We will never know. But some one should tell him that the laser become ineffective against armor.


What I'm trying to tell you is to be more realistic. Some of you know CCP Shanghai, and you know that balancing is not one of their ... lets say "best-known" skills. TAC AR anyone? No? I heaved used it since CCP "revisit" it. It nearly disappear. One more thing so keep in mind is that the AR is not the finish product, It's a placeholder for weapons and mechanics we will hopefully see someday. (I'm not even trying to troll here)

I'm stepping farther and farther away from this game every day. No joke, I still play the same amount of time, but no longer Dust. This neutral distance shows me more and more stupidity that happen here in the forums, not only on balance or in this case AR topics.

Have fun, I need a new cup of coffee.

I'm quoting you for the sheer stupidity of the obvious trolling.
He was asked to check this discrepancy for himself not to "just blindly believe".

Mass driver has no issues with explosion damage being calculated in varying formats. There is no Bullet Ignore, nor magentism. Even Latency can be ignored by venture of the AoE.

The only issue explosions have are those invisible walls, but they are still there and not fixed in the least.

One does not even have to enter the game to realize you're spewing nonsense.

You my friend, have missed the point of most of these posts then! I have seen a different pattern all together.

AR beats HMG at HMG Niche Enviroment
AR beats LR at LR Niche Environment
AR beats SG at SG Niche Environment
AR beats MD at MD Niche Environment

The AR outperforms Niche Weapons in their Niche Environments, this shouldn't happen! If you engage a SG at less than 10m you should find it incredibly hard to win with an AR!

It did receive a 30% damage buff with hit detection.

I'm not surprised that the people who want the "easy mode guns" want to defend this tooth and nail. :/

So if my grenades kills you heavy in one explosion that is ok ? Because if you nerf my AR that is exactly what is going to happen, i going to use the grenades as a primary weapon, and the MD as a secondary. At least with the AR you have half of a chance.

-snip-
Have fun, I need a new cup of coffee.

@Mo Gallas Gentralde
Here on the first page, where he is collecting likes, he is asking to "just blindly believe". No source, not mentioning that the only data on this is "somewhere" on his HHD. And you should have noticed that my mass driver was only a example on what he did.

Tossing numbers in the room without and claiming them as a total.

I have a greater chance surviving a grenade than an AR to be honest. I'll take your grenade any day, cause I use cover.

What????

This is new to me.

And just which of these many threads are you referring to?

goons baiting again?

Well Ladies the time has come, WE, the almighty community have found something new to ***** and moan about.
Get ready to contribute your share on this in the various crying postings about the AR, or even start your own. But before you start let me show you how not to be "that guy".

Reading a couple of postings I couldn't shake the feeling that some of this posts starts like this: Guy 1 is getting his ass ripped and runs with tears in his eyes in the forum.
OMG I'm using a HMG right? A HEAAAAAVY machine gun and this douvole what ever guy is keep killing me!
wtf?! I should be the one winning! I'm the one using a HMG here, and the what is this X in the weapon Icon anyway?

Well, my first thought was: what the hell is this guy using against a prototype weapon, meta 1? Is he really trying to kill someone using a low level suit? Because the one with the proto is probably wearing minimum advanced suits. How did he approach? Was he standing still? Well we will ever know since he did no tell us. If I fight against a advanced heavy and he is full HP, I would die. And I'm using advanced gear.

Another guy can't overcome the feeling that he is not the best in this game and is seeing the posting from guy 1 and jups in:
I can believe that a AR killed me while I was using a LASOOOR, isn't it obvious that a laser should be the most powerful weapon!? Especially when I am holding it? He killed me in my optimal range *sob*, that is so unfair *sob*! He killed me in a Second! *starts crying*

Again, how are they equipped? Did he approach? Was his opponent a vet? Maybe 15mil+ SP? Maybe he was very skillful, maybe the laser-using-op is a moron? What equipment did they use? Killed in a second? That never happened to me, maybe I should try a prototype weapon, but I highly doubt It would be strong enough. Who knows, may be this guy was running around in militia? And his opponent was skilled out and wearing dmg mods? Did he even knew how to use a laser? That it is not a burst dmg weapon? We will never know. But some one should tell him that the laser become ineffective against armor.


What I'm trying to tell you is to be more realistic. Some of you know CCP Shanghai, and you know that balancing is not one of their ... lets say "best-known" skills. TAC AR anyone? No? I heaved used it since CCP "revisit" it. It nearly disappear. One more thing so keep in mind is that the AR is not the finish product, It's a placeholder for weapons and mechanics we will hopefully see someday. (I'm not even trying to troll here)

I'm stepping farther and farther away from this game every day. No joke, I still play the same amount of time, but no longer Dust. This neutral distance shows me more and more stupidity that happen here in the forums, not only on balance or in this case AR topics.

Have fun, I need a new cup of coffee.

Duvolle is not a weapon, it is the prototype of a weapon.
How about you folks stop to take the Duvolle and compare your weapon? Not everyone is using a Duvolle. This gun is extremely expensive, it costs more then two full advanced fittings.
I'm using a GEK, and I never droped a "in a few seconds" it is always a a hard fight. And not everyone is pumped with dmg mods, I cant even use them.

Sorry, I don't see how the ar is always winning.. Maybe I suck but as an AR user I have to:

Close the the gap through cover to do any damage to laser rifle or md user. Try to use glu maybe but still outranged.
Gain distance or find cover against a heavy, never head to head unless he is beat up already.
Catch a shotgunner at distance or switch to smg up close. Might be different if I use breach ar.


SCRs absolutely kick my a**.

I have ar prof at 5 and sharpshooter at 4.

Now speccing into AR might give me more choices with varying ranges. But that might be different once all weapons are in game.
Versatility is the AR user's only advantage. That and our good looks:)

For the Laser, the flaws appear mostly at proto level because the Laser doesn't deal any extra damage. As an Assault Rifle user, you just need to hide behind cover as soon as the Laser hits. Note the direction it came from and run away so that the cover blocks you. I almost never die to Snipers or Lasers doing this. If the Laser is not on a building, edge out and in so that they fire at you. You want some of the shots to hit. When they stop firing run forward and spray them down because it means they are at least half way down their heat meter. The closer you get, the less damage they do. This happens to me all the time, since if I don't get a direct bead on them for a long period of time, my damage is poor.

Mass Drivers are hard to avoid. Within optimal range, their DPS isn't very high and most Assault Rifles can double or triple the splash damage DPS. It's easiest to take them out towards the edge of your optimal range, as many more of their shots will miss.

Scramblers have very similar DPS to Assault Rifles with slightly longer ranges, but are harder to use. If they miss the first burst and you have decent health, they'll often overheat before they can kill you. The Assault Scrambler is actually very potent and a worthwhile competitor with Assault Rifles that isn't too hard to use. Treat it like an Assault Rifle, pretty much. It doesn't usually overheat, so that's not really exploitable.

Was just trying to point out that the AR is not OP because you still have to use tactics to be successful.

No I was just upset about the unqualified comments and postings about a self made problem.
It's always like this, the community is seeking something new to wine about.
CCP is listening to this wining and suddenly no one is using the TAC AR. Only a few flay locks (I'm not missing them) on the field left.

The worst frustrating thing is that it looks like it is made up, like people saying the "cut heavys in half" by using AAR or SMG from CQC. I say that is BS! If I fight a heavy in CQC the HMG is killing me really hard, I'm not even trying to attack a heavy if there is no room to run/hide away.

Only noobs defend the AR in its current state. Everyone who has been playing this game since the beta can easily see that the AR with the Aim assist is by far the easiest weapon in the game to get easy kills with. What's funny though is that you noobs defend it saying its your skills that make the AR so good lol.

The AR wins in cqc against heavies I can out range laser rifles and anybody who can't do this with an AR is a scrub.

Sorry OP the AR is EASY MODE and you look silly trying to defend it Get good and try another weapon and come back here with an educated opinion. Not defending the easy kill machine we all use called the AR.

Funny how every AR elitist forgets that during the first week of Uprising, they totally bent over backwards because your precious AR wasn't an automatic sniper rifle. It took barely 2 weeks and they gave you what you wanted. How long did tanks, mass drivers, lasers, shotguns, HMGs, and Dropships suffer again? FFS, they nerfed scouts, just so you can pray an spray at them easier, and don't forget about strafing- "Wahhhh! It looks silly, nerf this important mechanic in a FPS CCP!"- and they gave you ****ers what you wanted again. 1.4 rolled around and now you can hip fire across the map with your automatic sniper rifles. YOU KNOW HOW MANY ****ING TIMES I'VE BEEN KILLED FROM OUTSIDE MY DRAW DISTANCE SINCE 1.4?! You think that's fun? Try using a niche weapon- laser, HMG, shotgun, MD... hell, give tanks and Derpships a whirl before the totally get demolished instead of fixing the goddamned engineering skill- look at how easy you mother ****ers have it.

Wow. You guys really hate the AR. I'll try the LR tonight. Gonna get stomped anyway, it being wednsday.

Was just trying to point out that the AR is not OP because you still have to use tactics to be successful.

Shorten range.

Ta-*******-da

It'd Shut us up.

Wow. You guys really hate the AR. I'll try the LR tonight. Gonna get stomped anyway, it being wednsday.

That's a BS argument. So only an "I win"-button would be OP? Because that's the only way you don't have to use any tactics at all!

Sorry, I don't see how the ar is always winning.. Maybe I suck but as an AR user I have to:

Close the the gap through cover to do any damage to laser rifle or md user. Try to use glu maybe but still outranged.
Gain distance or find cover against a heavy, never head to head unless he is beat up already.
Catch a shotgunner at distance or switch to smg up close. Might be different if I use breach ar.


SCRs absolutely kick my a**.

I have ar prof at 5 and sharpshooter at 4.

Now speccing into AR might give me more choices with varying ranges. But that might be different once all weapons are in game.
Versatility is the AR user's only advantage. That and our good looks:)

Reduce the Optimal Range for the Assault Rifle from 40m to 25m, but keep the Effective range at 65m with a linear decrease in damage from the 34 at 25m down to the 10.2 at 65m.

It is a Blaster (Plasma Rifle) it is supposed to have high damage up close, but it is not supposed to have a long optimal range.

Then introduce the Combat Rifle with slightly lower base damage, but give it the 40m Optimal and 65 m Effective ranges that the Assault Rifle has now.

In my opinion those that are hating on the assault rifle/scrambler rifle fall into these categories

1. Bunny hopping frontline massdriver users that don't understand the concept of area of denial and can no longer rely on broken hit detection and op splash damage. Working as intended.

2. Frontline Scouts that can no longer rely on broken hit detection. Working as intended.

3. Shotgun users that legitimately have issues with hit detection that should be corrected. Broken please fix.

3. Heavies realizing that Heavy Machine Gun damage and range desperately needs attention. Majority of heavies are flying up on a tower/rooftop/pipeline and spamming forge blasts because they cant compete on the ground. Broken please fix.

Right now your choices for light weapons are

Assault Rifle/Scrambler Rifle -- Both melt infantry

Swarm Launcher/Plasma Cannon -- Both garbage vs infantry

Laser Rifle -- Back up and use damage mods -- melts infantry

Sniper Rifle -- Back up and use damage mods -- melts infantry

Shotgun -- Broken hit detection needs fixing

Mass Driver -- Back up and keep infantry from rushing so your Frontline Assault/Scramblers can melt them while shotguns flank.

Hmg -- underpowered for such a huge hitbox -- without a capable logi be ready to die alot.


I am just having a hard time feeling bad for mass driver users that think nothing should kill them. Hmgs and Shotguns need love, but everything else is in it's place, don't spec into an area of denial weapon and expect the frontlines to be forgiving. I don't expect to run across an open area without snipers/lasers/forges or massdrivers picking me off. I wouldn't spec into lasers and run up to the frontlines to hack points. Know your roles. This is just my opinion and I am sure every mass driver user will disagree, but splash damage is no longer king. All hail the headshot.

In my opinion those that are hating on the assault rifle/scrambler rifle fall into these categories

1. Bunny hopping frontline massdriver users that don't understand the concept of area of denial and can no longer rely on broken hit detection and op splash damage. Working as intended.

2. Frontline Scouts that can no longer rely on broken hit detection. Working as intended.

3. Shotgun users that legitimately have issues with hit detection that should be corrected. Broken please fix.

3. Heavies realizing that Heavy Machine Gun damage and range desperately needs attention. Majority of heavies are flying up on a tower/rooftop/pipeline and spamming forge blasts because they cant compete on the ground. Broken please fix.

Right now your choices for light weapons are

Assault Rifle/Scrambler Rifle -- Both melt infantry

Swarm Launcher/Plasma Cannon -- Both garbage vs infantry

Laser Rifle -- Back up and use damage mods -- melts infantry

Sniper Rifle -- Back up and use damage mods -- melts infantry

Shotgun -- Broken hit detection needs fixing

Mass Driver -- Back up and keep infantry from rushing so your Frontline Assault/Scramblers can melt them while shotguns flank.

Hmg -- underpowered for such a huge hitbox -- without a capable logi be ready to die alot.


I am just having a hard time feeling bad for mass driver users that think nothing should kill them. Hmgs and Shotguns need love, but everything else is in it's place, don't spec into an area of denial weapon and expect the frontlines to be forgiving. I don't expect to run across an open area without snipers/lasers/forges or massdrivers picking me off. I wouldn't spec into lasers and run up to the frontlines to hack points. Know your roles. This is just my opinion and I am sure every mass driver user will disagree, but splash damage is no longer king. All hail the headshot.

I got killed by a Duvolle Tac today. Haven't seen those in use for a while...

I got killed by a Duvolle Tac today. Haven't seen those in use for a while...

Well Ladies the time has come, WE, the almighty community have found something new to ***** and moan about.
Get ready to contribute your share on this in the various crying postings about the AR, or even start your own. But before you start let me show you how not to be "that guy".

Reading a couple of postings I couldn't shake the feeling that some of this posts starts like this: Guy 1 is getting his ass ripped and runs with tears in his eyes in the forum.
OMG I'm using a HMG right? A HEAAAAAVY machine gun and this douvole what ever guy is keep killing me!
wtf?! I should be the one winning! I'm the one using a HMG here, and the what is this X in the weapon Icon anyway?

Well, my first thought was: what the hell is this guy using against a prototype weapon, meta 1? Is he really trying to kill someone using a low level suit? Because the one with the proto is probably wearing minimum advanced suits. How did he approach? Was he standing still? Well we will ever know since he did no tell us. If I fight against a advanced heavy and he is full HP, I would die. And I'm using advanced gear.

Another guy can't overcome the feeling that he is not the best in this game and is seeing the posting from guy 1 and jups in:
I can believe that a AR killed me while I was using a LASOOOR, isn't it obvious that a laser should be the most powerful weapon!? Especially when I am holding it? He killed me in my optimal range *sob*, that is so unfair *sob*! He killed me in a Second! *starts crying*

Again, how are they equipped? Did he approach? Was his opponent a vet? Maybe 15mil+ SP? Maybe he was very skillful, maybe the laser-using-op is a moron? What equipment did they use? Killed in a second? That never happened to me, maybe I should try a prototype weapon, but I highly doubt It would be strong enough. Who knows, may be this guy was running around in militia? And his opponent was skilled out and wearing dmg mods? Did he even knew how to use a laser? That it is not a burst dmg weapon? We will never know. But some one should tell him that the laser become ineffective against armor.


What I'm trying to tell you is to be more realistic. Some of you know CCP Shanghai, and you know that balancing is not one of their ... lets say "best-known" skills. TAC AR anyone? No? I heaved used it since CCP "revisit" it. It nearly disappear. One more thing so keep in mind is that the AR is not the finish product, It's a placeholder for weapons and mechanics we will hopefully see someday. (I'm not even trying to troll here)

I'm stepping farther and farther away from this game every day. No joke, I still play the same amount of time, but no longer Dust. This neutral distance shows me more and more stupidity that happen here in the forums, not only on balance or in this case AR topics.

Have fun, I need a new cup of coffee.

In my opinion those that are hating on the assault rifle/scrambler rifle fall into these categories

1. Bunny hopping frontline massdriver users that don't understand the concept of area of denial and can no longer rely on broken hit detection and op splash damage. Working as intended.

2. Frontline Scouts that can no longer rely on broken hit detection. Working as intended.

3. Shotgun users that legitimately have issues with hit detection that should be corrected. Broken please fix.

3. Heavies realizing that Heavy Machine Gun damage and range desperately needs attention. Majority of heavies are flying up on a tower/rooftop/pipeline and spamming forge blasts because they cant compete on the ground. Broken please fix.

Right now your choices for light weapons are

Assault Rifle/Scrambler Rifle -- Both melt infantry

Swarm Launcher/Plasma Cannon -- Both garbage vs infantry

Laser Rifle -- Back up and use damage mods -- melts infantry

Sniper Rifle -- Back up and use damage mods -- melts infantry

Shotgun -- Broken hit detection needs fixing

Mass Driver -- Back up and keep infantry from rushing so your Frontline Assault/Scramblers can melt them while shotguns flank.

Hmg -- underpowered for such a huge hitbox -- without a capable logi be ready to die alot.


I am just having a hard time feeling bad for mass driver users that think nothing should kill them. Hmgs and Shotguns need love, but everything else is in it's place, don't spec into an area of denial weapon and expect the frontlines to be forgiving. I don't expect to run across an open area without snipers/lasers/forges or massdrivers picking me off. I wouldn't spec into lasers and run up to the frontlines to hack points. Know your roles. This is just my opinion and I am sure every mass driver user will disagree, but splash damage is no longer king. All hail the headshot.

Meri Jin, your posts were great.

It's easiest to calculate for proto gear when everyone competitive uses it. Also, I see Duvolles all night long and killed Duvolles all last night. My god I saw half a dozen Thales, at least. I can say with confidence that during the hours leading up to down time, I often see more Duvolles than GEKs. Half the time I die or more I see their equipment and they're running full proto.

My suit I use to fight these Duvolles costs a whole 10k. The whole thing. Barely more than 500 health and a STD Laser and SMG. So, I know what you mean by not everyone uses proto. The average advanced Sentinel probably has around 900 total health after level 3/2 core armor and shielding. Add 300 health in plates and that's 1200. Without damage mods and maybe level 3 proficiency, your GEK is doing 700 to shields and 800 to armor a second to the head. So, you could drop an ADV Heavy with your ADV gear in a little under 2 seconds of headshots. Your armor is not going to be nearly as good as a proto suit, though. Complex Shield Extenders offer double the shields of enhanced and Complex Armor Plates have around 50% more armor than enhanced. Heavies have more innate HP and from core skills than other suits, which get their majority from extenders/plating. So, it's harder for you to kill a Heavy without dieing of the same tier than a full proto. Still, a few seconds of head shots isn't very hard. I've killed ADV heavies in CQC with my STD SMG. It only takes about three seconds of head shots. Catch them off guard, ADS on head, hold trigger. :L

What do you mean by "this time"? It was ALWAYS the Assault Rifle that was most OP out of all the weapons. Everyone knows it too. Aim Assist just brought more attention to it is all as people with ****** aim can now melt faces from 100 meters in under a second with a Duvolle or Gek.

Now that is constructive! And absolutely not over the top.

[i]Reading a couple of postings I couldn't shake the feeling that some of this posts starts like this: Guy 1 is

....
telling everyone they have no definite data, in a game where there really aren't any methods to get any. But no, this PROVES his theory, because he's questioned others, so that must make him right! ....

What do you mean by "this time"? It was ALWAYS the Assault Rifle that was most OP out of all the weapons. Everyone knows it too. Aim Assist just brought more attention to it is all as people with ****** aim can now melt faces from 100 meters in under a second with a Duvolle or Gek.

I just lost the last heavy I used to logi for thanks to ARs. I hope it was worth it to you guys.

Now I feel like I'm a very bad gamer, I never manage to drop a heave in 3 seconds. Never. Btw I'm playing Logi only. I need to use the AR due to the less fitting requirements. I can't use a SMG or what ever side hand. My AR skills maybe have 1,5mil SP spread all over the skilltree. The rest of my SP goes in to logi stuff like nano hives, drop up links, repair modules and so on. Duvolles? Prof 5?
I'm so far away from them, feels like friendzone back in school days, you can look at it, but don't touch xD.
I think I could use a Duvolles, but I never tried it, hard to fit in a Logi suit (the other modules are more important for the team) and very expensive.

It's useless trying to fight the OP QQ'ers, not just for the AR but for every aspect they have found a way to complain about. Fair warning, I have already wasted too many hours ripping out my hair at the backwards, mouth-breathing, narcissistic, hypocritical bs that comes out of some of these people's mouths.
Idk how many of you are from closed beta, but don't you sometimes wish the forums were like they were back then? Back when to be part of the select testers you had to be on top of your **** and, in the case of the pshome beta keys, intelligent enough to pass what was more or less a strategic-thinking test?

Definitely over the top. He must be playing a different game.

CoD: MW2 with a UMP and silencer perhaps? Now that was an OP weapon. Maybe CoD: Black Ops with a AKu, grip and extended mag? Now that was an OP weapon. AR in dust? Definitely not OP. Did you see players in those games complaining on forums about the 'OP' weapons begging for nerfs? No. Of course people would rage all over the place about it but they dealt with it and adapted their play styles. Maybe you should also look into doing so...

Never the less you will always have people complaining something is OP. The only true way to fix that is to give all weapons the same amount of damage, same clip size, same range, etc. and just give them different names and rounds/projectiles. Would that make for a fun game? In my opinion, no. Each weapon has a different tactical advantage, use your weapon the way its meant to be used and you should do just fine. Unless you're bad. Then you'll always be bad.

This is BS. Go look at the MW forums.....
Cries for nerfs are common and are granted just as commonly. MW is really big about weapon balance, and take more than just math into consideration as they have been doing this awhile. Also, even the ones they tweak are not nearly as broken as the AR is in Dust. They had better balance, and fixed things quickly which is why it was not as publicized. It took them less than a month to nerf the FMG's and Type-95. The Type-95 they tweaked again a month later and the ACR after that.

Just spouting nonsense like, people just dealt with it tells me you have never actually been to the COD forums.