My profession teaches me a lot new every day. But there is one constant through all the years: Never trust a statistic that you don't manipulate be yourself.
And this fits very well for this 30%.

Or are you going to tell me that you recorded a couple of matches with the the same latency, same skill level, same fitting, same enemies, hitting the same spot, using the same distance and various other things that I cant think of BEFORE the patch and did the same thing after the patch? And after that you collect the results and build a average number and this number turns out to be the 30%?

Like I said, nothing personal. But this number is still nothing but a opinion.
And selling them as prove and total is dangerous.

Just imagine the AE slavedriver *cough* CCP Rouge is staying behind a poor CCP programmer swinging a whip and screaming: "REMOVE THE 30% FROM THE AR, AND MAKE IT BACK AVAILABLE VIA MICRO TRANSACTION!"

Like I said, nothing personal. But this number is still nothing but a opinion.
And selling them as prove and total is dangerous.

Just imagine the AE slavedriver *cough* CCP Rouge is staying behind a poor CCP programmer swinging a whip and screaming: "REMOVE THE 30% FROM THE AR, AND MAKE IT BACK AVAILABLE VIA MICRO TRANSACTION!"

Which falls along the same logic lines of how you are trying to dismiss the information. It's nothing but your opinion because you don't have any personal research to back up the dismissal?

See, that kind of logic only falls into nasty unrefuted loops mostly because the opposing party refuses to collect data for themselves just in case the opposition may be right. It happens all the time in politics.

Your "data" is based on one video. And this does not count for me as a data. Not on AR, not on other weapons. One video is no enough to run around and tell people that 30% is proven. Of course I'm not collecting, why should I? No healthy-minded person would believe "data" from one video. (which we haven't even see)

All these sweet tasting tears... I need more.

Seriously though, the AR is the most widely used weapon short of lazors. Having said that - yesterday I switched to the militia anti armour fit to kill a tank then headshotted one of his friends to death with the scrambler pistol (Cool story, I know).

Its probably the most widely used weapon currently because its a good match up against scram rifles. I think when/If other racial rifles are introduced the AR will decline a little perhaps.

@Dovallis I'm ignoring you from this point, flat word, one video comparing and so on. claiming 30% from one video is ridicules. This is not a proper analysis.

You're the only one who said it was from one video.

If you're not willing to do some research for yourself you have no right to debunk mine, even if it is heavily faulty.

Let them cry, if they nerf the AR people will just find another weapon to kill them with. What this guys don't understand, is that it is a connection between the AR and FPS vets.

Because it is heavily faulty, no one cares. Your data is useless, please don't mention it again. No sources, only text.

Btw: Mass Driver improved over 35%, I have some data collected, but I'm not going to show you. Just believe me!

Well Ladies the time has come, WE, the almighty community have found something new to ***** and moan about.
Get ready to contribute your share on this in the various crying postings about the AR, or even start your own. But before you start let me show you how not to be "that guy".

Reading a couple of postings I couldn't shake the feeling that some of this posts starts like this: Guy 1 is getting his ass ripped and runs with tears in his eyes in the forum.
OMG I'm using a HMG right? A HEAAAAAVY machine gun and this douvole what ever guy is keep killing me!
wtf?! I should be the one winning! I'm the one using a HMG here, and the what is this X in the weapon Icon anyway?

Well, my first thought was: what the hell is this guy using against a prototype weapon, meta 1? Is he really trying to kill someone using a low level suit? Because the one with the proto is probably wearing minimum advanced suits. How did he approach? Was he standing still? Well we will ever know since he did no tell us. If I fight against a advanced heavy and he is full HP, I would die. And I'm using advanced gear.

Another guy can't overcome the feeling that he is not the best in this game and is seeing the posting from guy 1 and jups in:
I can believe that a AR killed me while I was using a LASOOOR, isn't it obvious that a laser should be the most powerful weapon!? Especially when I am holding it? He killed me in my optimal range *sob*, that is so unfair *sob*! He killed me in a Second! *starts crying*

Again, how are they equipped? Did he approach? Was his opponent a vet? Maybe 15mil+ SP? Maybe he was very skillful, maybe the laser-using-op is a moron? What equipment did they use? Killed in a second? That never happened to me, maybe I should try a prototype weapon, but I highly doubt It would be strong enough. Who knows, may be this guy was running around in militia? And his opponent was skilled out and wearing dmg mods? Did he even knew how to use a laser? That it is not a burst dmg weapon? We will never know. But some one should tell him that the laser become ineffective against armor.


What I'm trying to tell you is to be more realistic. Some of you know CCP Shanghai, and you know that balancing is not one of their ... lets say "best-known" skills. TAC AR anyone? No? I heaved used it since CCP "revisit" it. It nearly disappear. One more thing so keep in mind is that the AR is not the finish product, It's a placeholder for weapons and mechanics we will hopefully see someday. (I'm not even trying to troll here)

I'm stepping farther and farther away from this game every day. No joke, I still play the same amount of time, but no longer Dust. This neutral distance shows me more and more stupidity that happen here in the forums, not only on balance or in this case AR topics.

Have fun, I need a new cup of coffee.

I'm quoting you for the sheer stupidity of the obvious trolling.
He was asked to check this discrepancy for himself not to "just blindly believe".

Mass driver has no issues with explosion damage being calculated in varying formats. There is no Bullet Ignore, nor magentism. Even Latency can be ignored by venture of the AoE.

The only issue explosions have are those invisible walls, but they are still there and not fixed in the least.

One does not even have to enter the game to realize you're spewing nonsense.

You my friend, have missed the point of most of these posts then! I have seen a different pattern all together.

AR beats HMG at HMG Niche Enviroment
AR beats LR at LR Niche Environment
AR beats SG at SG Niche Environment
AR beats MD at MD Niche Environment

The AR outperforms Niche Weapons in their Niche Environments, this shouldn't happen! If you engage a SG at less than 10m you should find it incredibly hard to win with an AR!

It did receive a 30% damage buff with hit detection.

I'm not surprised that the people who want the "easy mode guns" want to defend this tooth and nail. :/

So if my grenades kills you heavy in one explosion that is ok ? Because if you nerf my AR that is exactly what is going to happen, i going to use the grenades as a primary weapon, and the MD as a secondary. At least with the AR you have half of a chance.

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Have fun, I need a new cup of coffee.

@Mo Gallas Gentralde
Here on the first page, where he is collecting likes, he is asking to "just blindly believe". No source, not mentioning that the only data on this is "somewhere" on his HHD. And you should have noticed that my mass driver was only a example on what he did.

Tossing numbers in the room without and claiming them as a total.

I have a greater chance surviving a grenade than an AR to be honest. I'll take your grenade any day, cause I use cover.

What????

This is new to me.

And just which of these many threads are you referring to?

goons baiting again?