I got killed by a Duvolle Tac today. Haven't seen those in use for a while...

Well Ladies the time has come, WE, the almighty community have found something new to ***** and moan about.
Get ready to contribute your share on this in the various crying postings about the AR, or even start your own. But before you start let me show you how not to be "that guy".

Reading a couple of postings I couldn't shake the feeling that some of this posts starts like this: Guy 1 is getting his ass ripped and runs with tears in his eyes in the forum.
OMG I'm using a HMG right? A HEAAAAAVY machine gun and this douvole what ever guy is keep killing me!
wtf?! I should be the one winning! I'm the one using a HMG here, and the what is this X in the weapon Icon anyway?

Well, my first thought was: what the hell is this guy using against a prototype weapon, meta 1? Is he really trying to kill someone using a low level suit? Because the one with the proto is probably wearing minimum advanced suits. How did he approach? Was he standing still? Well we will ever know since he did no tell us. If I fight against a advanced heavy and he is full HP, I would die. And I'm using advanced gear.

Another guy can't overcome the feeling that he is not the best in this game and is seeing the posting from guy 1 and jups in:
I can believe that a AR killed me while I was using a LASOOOR, isn't it obvious that a laser should be the most powerful weapon!? Especially when I am holding it? He killed me in my optimal range *sob*, that is so unfair *sob*! He killed me in a Second! *starts crying*

Again, how are they equipped? Did he approach? Was his opponent a vet? Maybe 15mil+ SP? Maybe he was very skillful, maybe the laser-using-op is a moron? What equipment did they use? Killed in a second? That never happened to me, maybe I should try a prototype weapon, but I highly doubt It would be strong enough. Who knows, may be this guy was running around in militia? And his opponent was skilled out and wearing dmg mods? Did he even knew how to use a laser? That it is not a burst dmg weapon? We will never know. But some one should tell him that the laser become ineffective against armor.


What I'm trying to tell you is to be more realistic. Some of you know CCP Shanghai, and you know that balancing is not one of their ... lets say "best-known" skills. TAC AR anyone? No? I heaved used it since CCP "revisit" it. It nearly disappear. One more thing so keep in mind is that the AR is not the finish product, It's a placeholder for weapons and mechanics we will hopefully see someday. (I'm not even trying to troll here)

I'm stepping farther and farther away from this game every day. No joke, I still play the same amount of time, but no longer Dust. This neutral distance shows me more and more stupidity that happen here in the forums, not only on balance or in this case AR topics.

Have fun, I need a new cup of coffee.

In my opinion those that are hating on the assault rifle/scrambler rifle fall into these categories

1. Bunny hopping frontline massdriver users that don't understand the concept of area of denial and can no longer rely on broken hit detection and op splash damage. Working as intended.

2. Frontline Scouts that can no longer rely on broken hit detection. Working as intended.

3. Shotgun users that legitimately have issues with hit detection that should be corrected. Broken please fix.

3. Heavies realizing that Heavy Machine Gun damage and range desperately needs attention. Majority of heavies are flying up on a tower/rooftop/pipeline and spamming forge blasts because they cant compete on the ground. Broken please fix.

Right now your choices for light weapons are

Assault Rifle/Scrambler Rifle -- Both melt infantry

Swarm Launcher/Plasma Cannon -- Both garbage vs infantry

Laser Rifle -- Back up and use damage mods -- melts infantry

Sniper Rifle -- Back up and use damage mods -- melts infantry

Shotgun -- Broken hit detection needs fixing

Mass Driver -- Back up and keep infantry from rushing so your Frontline Assault/Scramblers can melt them while shotguns flank.

Hmg -- underpowered for such a huge hitbox -- without a capable logi be ready to die alot.


I am just having a hard time feeling bad for mass driver users that think nothing should kill them. Hmgs and Shotguns need love, but everything else is in it's place, don't spec into an area of denial weapon and expect the frontlines to be forgiving. I don't expect to run across an open area without snipers/lasers/forges or massdrivers picking me off. I wouldn't spec into lasers and run up to the frontlines to hack points. Know your roles. This is just my opinion and I am sure every mass driver user will disagree, but splash damage is no longer king. All hail the headshot.

Meri Jin, your posts were great.

It's easiest to calculate for proto gear when everyone competitive uses it. Also, I see Duvolles all night long and killed Duvolles all last night. My god I saw half a dozen Thales, at least. I can say with confidence that during the hours leading up to down time, I often see more Duvolles than GEKs. Half the time I die or more I see their equipment and they're running full proto.

My suit I use to fight these Duvolles costs a whole 10k. The whole thing. Barely more than 500 health and a STD Laser and SMG. So, I know what you mean by not everyone uses proto. The average advanced Sentinel probably has around 900 total health after level 3/2 core armor and shielding. Add 300 health in plates and that's 1200. Without damage mods and maybe level 3 proficiency, your GEK is doing 700 to shields and 800 to armor a second to the head. So, you could drop an ADV Heavy with your ADV gear in a little under 2 seconds of headshots. Your armor is not going to be nearly as good as a proto suit, though. Complex Shield Extenders offer double the shields of enhanced and Complex Armor Plates have around 50% more armor than enhanced. Heavies have more innate HP and from core skills than other suits, which get their majority from extenders/plating. So, it's harder for you to kill a Heavy without dieing of the same tier than a full proto. Still, a few seconds of head shots isn't very hard. I've killed ADV heavies in CQC with my STD SMG. It only takes about three seconds of head shots. Catch them off guard, ADS on head, hold trigger. :L

What do you mean by "this time"? It was ALWAYS the Assault Rifle that was most OP out of all the weapons. Everyone knows it too. Aim Assist just brought more attention to it is all as people with ****** aim can now melt faces from 100 meters in under a second with a Duvolle or Gek.

Now that is constructive! And absolutely not over the top.

[i]Reading a couple of postings I couldn't shake the feeling that some of this posts starts like this: Guy 1 is

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telling everyone they have no definite data, in a game where there really aren't any methods to get any. But no, this PROVES his theory, because he's questioned others, so that must make him right! ....

What do you mean by "this time"? It was ALWAYS the Assault Rifle that was most OP out of all the weapons. Everyone knows it too. Aim Assist just brought more attention to it is all as people with ****** aim can now melt faces from 100 meters in under a second with a Duvolle or Gek.

I just lost the last heavy I used to logi for thanks to ARs. I hope it was worth it to you guys.

Now I feel like I'm a very bad gamer, I never manage to drop a heave in 3 seconds. Never. Btw I'm playing Logi only. I need to use the AR due to the less fitting requirements. I can't use a SMG or what ever side hand. My AR skills maybe have 1,5mil SP spread all over the skilltree. The rest of my SP goes in to logi stuff like nano hives, drop up links, repair modules and so on. Duvolles? Prof 5?
I'm so far away from them, feels like friendzone back in school days, you can look at it, but don't touch xD.
I think I could use a Duvolles, but I never tried it, hard to fit in a Logi suit (the other modules are more important for the team) and very expensive.

It's useless trying to fight the OP QQ'ers, not just for the AR but for every aspect they have found a way to complain about. Fair warning, I have already wasted too many hours ripping out my hair at the backwards, mouth-breathing, narcissistic, hypocritical bs that comes out of some of these people's mouths.
Idk how many of you are from closed beta, but don't you sometimes wish the forums were like they were back then? Back when to be part of the select testers you had to be on top of your **** and, in the case of the pshome beta keys, intelligent enough to pass what was more or less a strategic-thinking test?

Definitely over the top. He must be playing a different game.

CoD: MW2 with a UMP and silencer perhaps? Now that was an OP weapon. Maybe CoD: Black Ops with a AKu, grip and extended mag? Now that was an OP weapon. AR in dust? Definitely not OP. Did you see players in those games complaining on forums about the 'OP' weapons begging for nerfs? No. Of course people would rage all over the place about it but they dealt with it and adapted their play styles. Maybe you should also look into doing so...

Never the less you will always have people complaining something is OP. The only true way to fix that is to give all weapons the same amount of damage, same clip size, same range, etc. and just give them different names and rounds/projectiles. Would that make for a fun game? In my opinion, no. Each weapon has a different tactical advantage, use your weapon the way its meant to be used and you should do just fine. Unless you're bad. Then you'll always be bad.

This is BS. Go look at the MW forums.....
Cries for nerfs are common and are granted just as commonly. MW is really big about weapon balance, and take more than just math into consideration as they have been doing this awhile. Also, even the ones they tweak are not nearly as broken as the AR is in Dust. They had better balance, and fixed things quickly which is why it was not as publicized. It took them less than a month to nerf the FMG's and Type-95. The Type-95 they tweaked again a month later and the ACR after that.

Just spouting nonsense like, people just dealt with it tells me you have never actually been to the COD forums.