DUST Search - Everybody is crying again and this time it's the AR?

Borne Velvalor wrote:

It's easiest to calculate for proto gear when everyone competitive uses it. Also, I see Duvolles all night long and killed Duvolles all last night. My god I saw half a dozen Thales, at least. I can say with confidence that during the hours leading up to down time, I often see more Duvolles than GEKs. Half the time I die or more I see their equipment and they're running full proto.

My suit I use to fight these Duvolles costs a whole 10k. The whole thing. Barely more than 500 health and a STD Laser and SMG. So, I know what you mean by not everyone uses proto. The average advanced Sentinel probably has around 900 total health after level 3/2 core armor and shielding. Add 300 health in plates and that's 1200. Without damage mods and maybe level 3 proficiency, your GEK is doing 700 to shields and 800 to armor a second to the head. So, you could drop an ADV Heavy with your ADV gear in a little under 2 seconds of headshots. Your armor is not going to be nearly as good as a proto suit, though. Complex Shield Extenders offer double the shields of enhanced and Complex Armor Plates have around 50% more armor than enhanced. Heavies have more innate HP and from core skills than other suits, which get their majority from extenders/plating. So, it's harder for you to kill a Heavy without dieing of the same tier than a full proto. Still, a few seconds of head shots isn't very hard. I've killed ADV heavies in CQC with my STD SMG. It only takes about three seconds of head shots. Catch them off guard, ADS on head, hold trigger. :L


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meri jin Goonfeet Top Men. 545	Posted - 2013.10.15 05:01:00 - [1] - Quote Well Ladies the time has come, WE, the almighty community have found something new to ***** and moan about. Get ready to contribute your share on this in the various crying postings about the AR, or even start your own. But before you start let me show you how not to be "that guy". Reading a couple of postings I couldn't shake the feeling that some of this posts starts like this: Guy 1 is getting his ass ripped and runs with tears in his eyes in the forum. OMG I'm using a HMG right? A HEAAAAAVY machine gun and this douvole what ever guy is keep killing me! wtf?! I should be the one winning! I'm the one using a HMG here, and the what is this X in the weapon Icon anyway? Well, my first thought was: what the hell is this guy using against a prototype weapon, meta 1? Is he really trying to kill someone using a low level suit? Because the one with the proto is probably wearing minimum advanced suits. How did he approach? Was he standing still? Well we will ever know since he did no tell us. If I fight against a advanced heavy and he is full HP, I would die. And I'm using advanced gear. Another guy can't overcome the feeling that he is not the best in this game and is seeing the posting from guy 1 and jups in: I can believe that a AR killed me while I was using a LASOOOR, isn't it obvious that a laser should be the most powerful weapon!? Especially when I am holding it? He killed me in my optimal range sob, that is so unfair sob! He killed me in a Second! starts crying Again, how are they equipped? Did he approach? Was his opponent a vet? Maybe 15mil+ SP? Maybe he was very skillful, maybe the laser-using-op is a moron? What equipment did they use? Killed in a second? That never happened to me, maybe I should try a prototype weapon, but I highly doubt It would be strong enough. Who knows, may be this guy was running around in militia? And his opponent was skilled out and wearing dmg mods? Did he even knew how to use a laser? That it is not a burst dmg weapon? We will never know. But some one should tell him that the laser become ineffective against armor. What I'm trying to tell you is to be more realistic. Some of you know CCP Shanghai, and you know that balancing is not one of their ... lets say "best-known" skills. TAC AR anyone? No? I heaved used it since CCP "revisit" it. It nearly disappear. One more thing so keep in mind is that the AR is not the finish product, It's a placeholder for weapons and mechanics we will hopefully see someday. (I'm not even trying to troll here) I'm stepping farther and farther away from this game every day. No joke, I still play the same amount of time, but no longer Dust. This neutral distance shows me more and more stupidity that happen here in the forums, not only on balance or in this case AR topics. Have fun, I need a new cup of coffee.
meri jin Goonfeet Top Men. 545	Posted - 2013.10.15 05:30:00 - [2] - Quote Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: It did receive a 30% damage buff with hit detection. I'm not surprised that the people who want the "easy mode guns" want to defend this tooth and nail. :/ Where did you get that number? I didn't even realize that I was defending... thank you for showing me.
meri jin Goonfeet Top Men. 545	Posted - 2013.10.15 05:46:00 - [3] - Quote An orbital just for you? Must feel like a summer rain in a hot day :-).
meri jin Goonfeet Top Men. 548	Posted - 2013.10.15 05:49:00 - [4] - Quote 8213 wrote: When are people just going to actually take time to use the SCR properly? SCR > AR. I b*tched about the SCR because it out worked my AR, but eventually I became smart. I'm using a lot of AR, and I tried the SCR once, let me tell you this: It feels like heaven. The flexibility you get due to the charge shot is amazing. I just need to use of my pile of GEG38ts. :)
meri jin Goonfeet Top Men. 548	Posted - 2013.10.15 05:58:00 - [5] - Quote @Dovallis Martan JenusKoll where did you get the 30% ?
meri jin Goonfeet Top Men. 549	Posted - 2013.10.15 06:09:00 - [6] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: meri jin wrote: @Dovallis Martan JenusKoll where did you get the 30% ? From the 30% that didn't register prior. I didn't know that CCP released some new datasheets. Where can I find them? Surely this number is not made up or a rough estimate?
meri jin Goonfeet Top Men. 550	Posted - 2013.10.15 06:19:00 - [7] - Quote Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: meri jin wrote: @Dovallis Martan JenusKoll where did you get the 30% ? The reduction in Time to Kill relative before and after the patch. How did you measure it?
meri jin Goonfeet Top Men. 556	Posted - 2013.10.15 06:33:00 - [8] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: I have no idea? Maybe try?? looking up posts by this guy: CCP WOLFMAN Source please. Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: By using the weapons myself and by watching recordings. I'm not making a doctorate off of these things, so I didn't keep official records. If you wish to spend time collecting data and making it accurate on a video game, go right ahead. I merely estimated the encounter time reduction, and rounded it Down to the closest 10%. TTK used to be about 4-5 seconds, now it's 2-3 seconds with the AR. If you think it's faulty in any way I welcome you to write up that doctorate on damage dispersal that you so desperately want to see. That you. All I want to know was that you made this number up. Now please stop posting this ** in my topic. OK? Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote:** It did receive a 30% damage buff with hit detection. I'm not surprised that the people who want the "easy mode guns" want to defend this tooth and nail. :/ This number is now officially made up!
meri jin Goonfeet Top Men. 556	Posted - 2013.10.15 06:48:00 - [9] - Quote My profession teaches me a lot new every day. But there is one constant through all the years: Never trust a statistic that you don't manipulate be yourself. And this fits very well for this 30%. Or are you going to tell me that you recorded a couple of matches with the the same latency, same skill level, same fitting, same enemies, hitting the same spot, using the same distance and various other things that I cant think of BEFORE the patch and did the same thing after the patch? And after that you collect the results and build a average number and this number turns out to be the 30%? Dovallis, it is nothing personal. Really. But just think about what number like this could do in the wrong hast? In the hands of a CCP drone, totally wasted and without coffee, typing his code mindlessly and trying to reed the forums. This poor soul could take this number serious.
meri jin Goonfeet Top Men. 557	Posted - 2013.10.15 07:16:00 - [10] - Quote Like I said, nothing personal. But this number is still nothing but a opinion. And selling them as prove and total is dangerous. Just imagine the AE slavedriver cough CCP Rouge is staying behind a poor CCP programmer swinging a whip and screaming: "REMOVE THE 30% FROM THE AR, AND MAKE IT BACK AVAILABLE VIA MICRO TRANSACTION!"

meri jin Goonfeet Top Men. 557	Posted - 2013.10.15 07:37:00 - [11] - Quote Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: meri jin wrote: Like I said, nothing personal. But this number is still nothing but a opinion. And selling them as prove and total is dangerous. Just imagine the AE slavedriver cough CCP Rouge is staying behind a poor CCP programmer swinging a whip and screaming: "REMOVE THE 30% FROM THE AR, AND MAKE IT BACK AVAILABLE VIA MICRO TRANSACTION!" Which falls along the same logic lines of how you are trying to dismiss the information. It's nothing but your opinion because you don't have any personal research to back up the dismissal? See, that kind of logic only falls into nasty unrefuted loops mostly because the opposing party refuses to collect data for themselves just in case the opposition may be right. It happens all the time in politics. Your "data" is based on one video. And this does not count for me as a data. Not on AR, not on other weapons. One video is no enough to run around and tell people that 30% is proven. Of course I'm not collecting, why should I? No healthy-minded person would believe "data" from one video. (which we haven't even see)
meri jin Goonfeet Top Men. 557	Posted - 2013.10.15 07:53:00 - [12] - Quote Lady MDK wrote: All these sweet tasting tears... I need more. Seriously though, the AR is the most widely used weapon short of lazors. Having said that - yesterday I switched to the militia anti armour fit to kill a tank then headshotted one of his friends to death with the scrambler pistol (Cool story, I know). Its probably the most widely used weapon currently because its a good match up against scram rifles. I think when/If other racial rifles are introduced the AR will decline a little perhaps. I think the same, some AR are going to be removed from the game. Only the burst is going to stay right? The standard AR will be the minmater combat rifle, and the breach will be the caldari if I remember right.
meri jin Goonfeet Top Men. 561	Posted - 2013.10.15 08:18:00 - [13] - Quote Banning Hammer wrote: Let them cry, if they nerf the AR people will just find another weapon to kill them with. What this guys don't understand, is that it is a connection between the AR and FPS vets. This guys don't understand a lot of things. :-) I personally think that CCP is not going to change the AR, the other ARs are still missing and without them It's very pointless from my perspective. I would say it is a waste of time caring about weapons right now. Implement all of them (at last the ARs) and let the testing and analyzing begin.
meri jin Goonfeet Top Men. 561	Posted - 2013.10.15 08:32:00 - [14] - Quote There is one guy here on the forums who really impressed me. He showed some blue sources about the AR being only a placeholder, he had a small and stable list of what the Gallente AR will become after the other ARs are in. I wish I could find this posting. :-/
meri jin Goonfeet Top Men. 561	Posted - 2013.10.15 08:55:00 - [15] - Quote Kaze Eyrou wrote: meri jin wrote: -snip- Have fun, I need a new cup of coffee. And just which of these many threads are you referring to? I don't have them here sorry. And no screenshot. I took a look yesterday and there where 4 postings crying about the AR. But I could find two on page two. If it helps :). https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=115418 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=115600 I tried to read some, and the most postings about the AR were very subjective(?) don't know the right word now. Well basically crying without description about the situation or what really happens to them. In my ears is sound like crying I gues?
meri jin Goonfeet Top Men. 562	Posted - 2013.10.16 05:48:00 - [16] - Quote Beeeees wrote: goons baiting again? No I was just upset about the unqualified comments and postings about a self made problem. It's always like this, the community is seeking something new to wine about. CCP is listening to this wining and suddenly no one is using the TAC AR. Only a few flay locks (I'm not missing them) on the field left. The worst frustrating thing is that it looks like it is made up, like people saying the "cut heavys in half" by using AAR or SMG from CQC. I say that is BS! If I fight a heavy in CQC the HMG is killing me really hard, I'm not even trying to attack a heavy if there is no room to run/hide away.
meri jin Goonfeet Top Men. 567	Posted - 2013.10.16 12:05:00 - [17] - Quote Duvolle is not a weapon, it is the prototype of a weapon. How about you folks stop to take the Duvolle and compare your weapon? Not everyone is using a Duvolle. This gun is extremely expensive, it costs more then two full advanced fittings. I'm using a GEK, and I never droped a "in a few seconds" it is always a a hard fight. And not everyone is pumped with dmg mods, I cant even use them.
meri jin Goonfeet Top Men. 590	Posted - 2013.10.17 06:26:00 - [18] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Meri Jin, your posts were great. hmm, thank you I guess? First time reading that one said that, not sure if you are trolling or honest ;). Borne Velvalor wrote: It's easiest to calculate for proto gear when everyone competitive uses it. Also, I see Duvolles all night long and killed Duvolles all last night. My god I saw half a dozen Thales, at least. I can say with confidence that during the hours leading up to down time, I often see more Duvolles than GEKs. Half the time I die or more I see their equipment and they're running full proto. My suit I use to fight these Duvolles costs a whole 10k. The whole thing. Barely more than 500 health and a STD Laser and SMG. So, I know what you mean by not everyone uses proto. The average advanced Sentinel probably has around 900 total health after level 3/2 core armor and shielding. Add 300 health in plates and that's 1200. Without damage mods and maybe level 3 proficiency, your GEK is doing 700 to shields and 800 to armor a second to the head. So, you could drop an ADV Heavy with your ADV gear in a little under 2 seconds of headshots. Your armor is not going to be nearly as good as a proto suit, though. Complex Shield Extenders offer double the shields of enhanced and Complex Armor Plates have around 50% more armor than enhanced. Heavies have more innate HP and from core skills than other suits, which get their majority from extenders/plating. So, it's harder for you to kill a Heavy without dieing of the same tier than a full proto. Still, a few seconds of head shots isn't very hard. I've killed ADV heavies in CQC with my STD SMG. It only takes about three seconds of head shots. Catch them off guard, ADS on head, hold trigger. :L Now I feel like I'm a very bad gamer, I never manage to drop a heave in 3 seconds. Never. Btw I'm playing Logi only. I need to use the AR due to the less fitting requirements. I can't use a SMG or what ever side hand. My AR skills maybe have 1,5mil SP spread all over the skilltree. The rest of my SP goes in to logi stuff like nano hives, drop up links, repair modules and so on. Duvolles? Prof 5? I'm so far away from them, feels like friendzone back in school days, you can look at it, but don't touch xD. I think I could use a Duvolles, but I never tried it, hard to fit in a Logi suit (the other modules are more important for the team) and very expensive.
meri jin Goonfeet Top Men. 591	Posted - 2013.10.17 07:42:00 - [19] - Quote BARDAS wrote: What do you mean by "this time"? It was ALWAYS the Assault Rifle that was most OP out of all the weapons. Everyone knows it too. Aim Assist just brought more attention to it is all as people with **** aim can now melt faces from 100 meters in under a second with a Duvolle or Gek. Now that** is constructive! And absolutely not over the top.
meri jin Goonfeet Top Men. 595	Posted - 2013.10.17 10:50:00 - [20] - Quote Blake Kingston wrote: .... telling everyone they have no definite data, in a game where there really aren't any methods to get any. But no, this PROVES his theory, because he's questioned others, so that must make him right! .... I never said that I'm right, and by the way, right about what? I never tried to prof something. I'm saying that calling false numbers is as helpful as comments like this one: BARDAS wrote: What do you mean by "this time"? It was ALWAYS the Assault Rifle that was most OP out of all the weapons. Everyone knows it too. Aim Assist just brought more attention to it is all as people with ****** aim can now melt faces from 100 meters in under a second with a Duvolle or Gek.