Just ran a few rounds as a HMG sentinel heavy, all proto (armor, hmg, suit) alt, Duvolle melts it in a half second in CQB. GG CCP, no wonder this game is dead.

How long does it take to reduce AR dmg by 20%?

Just ran a few rounds as a HMG sentinel heavy, all proto (armor, hmg, suit) alt, Duvolle melts it in a half second in CQB. GG CCP, no wonder this game is dead.

How long does it take to reduce AR dmg by 20%?

How long does it take to reduce AR dmg by 20%?

Its called aiming at their head, Jr.
Its actually more of a lag and hit detection issue by the way.

I don't know your exact situation you're venting about, but if its a straight up gunfight, you should have won; perhaps its you? HMG will lose to a PRO Duvolle player outside of 15m though.

While I agree that ARs need to be toned down, I doubt the particulars of your story.

What Range was he at?

Was there a buddy of his to help?

Could he have prof?

Kamikaze fit?

How many shots did you hit?

AR definitely needs a change, but this seems a bit fishy.

But we were 5 m from each other. I think it has to do with the AR DPS being so high to compensate previously for bad hit detection. AR dmg should be toned down, ttk is far too short now.

AR RoF
750 RPM / 60
12.5 RPS / 2
6.5 RP1/2S

37.4 base damage x 6.5 = 243.1 x 1.5 headshot modifier =
354.65 best possible damage with Duvolle in 1/2 a sec with base weapon

37.4 x 1.3134 weapon damage modifier = 49.12116 x 6.5 = 319.28754 x 1.5 =
478.93131 best possible damage with Duvolle in 1/2 a sec with 5 light damage mods

37.4 +( (37.4 x 0.3134) + (37.4 x 0.15 lvl 5 AR prof)) = 54.73116 x 6.5 = 355.75254 x 1.5 =
533.62881 best possible damage with Duvolle in 1/2 a sec with 5 light damage mods and lvl 5 AR prof.

I call BS, thats not even enough damage to drop an unfitted MLT heavy dropsuit.

If this happened with any other AR besides the Duvolle then it might need a nerf. But a maxed Duvolle with 3 Complex Damage Mods will do over 55 damage per shot. I assume he nailed you with every bullet since your Heavy took up his entire screen. Factor in him shooting your head, He'll cut through 1200 HP almost instantly.

But, factor in the great FPS equalizer; latency, and thats how you lose that that gunfight. I feel your pain, because the exact same thing happened to me when I was facing a player from Mexico.

Its called aiming at their head, Jr.
Its actually more of a lag and hit detection issue by the way.

I don't know your exact situation you're venting about, but if its a straight up gunfight, you should have won; perhaps its you? HMG will lose to a PRO Duvolle player outside of 15m though.

Just ran a few rounds as a HMG sentinel heavy, all proto (armor, hmg, suit) alt, Duvolle melts it in a half second in CQB. GG CCP, no wonder this game is dead.

How long does it take to reduce AR dmg by 20%?

AR RoF
750 RPM / 60
12.5 RPS / 2
6.5 RP1/2S

37.4 base damage x 6.5 = 243.1 x 1.5 headshot modifier =
354.65 best possible damage with Duvolle in 1/2 a sec with base weapon

37.4 x 1.3134 weapon damage modifier = 49.12116 x 6.5 = 319.28754 x 1.5 =
478.93131 best possible damage with Duvolle in 1/2 a sec with 5 light damage mods

37.4 +( (37.4 x 0.3134) + (37.4 x 0.15 lvl 5 AR prof)) = 54.73116 x 6.5 = 355.75254 x 1.5 =
533.62881 best possible damage with Duvolle in 1/2 a sec with 5 light damage mods and lvl 5 AR prof.

I call BS, thats not even enough damage to drop an unfitted MLT heavy dropsuit.

Maybe you need to get good.

Just ran a few rounds as a HMG sentinel heavy, all proto (armor, hmg, suit) alt, Duvolle melts it in a half second in CQB. GG CCP, no wonder this game is dead.

How long does it take to reduce AR dmg by 20%?

You should really stop acting like youre some sort of bigshot around here. You have as many kills as most of us have deaths. Play for another 6 months and then maybe you can act like youre hot ****.

idiotic post.
>3250 potential damage in a high-prof triple dmg modded AR clip that empties in 4.8 seconds. Yep. I can literally drop a squad of militia newberries without reloading. Even if one of them IS a militia heavy. A 1300 HP proto suit is not an issue. But yes, it techncally takes longer than 0.5 seconds.

Above squad? Roughly 7 seconds if you take into account switching targets.

Well, according to regynum we should be nerfing everything but the AR...

Well, according to regynum we should be nerfing everything but the AR...

Who? The guy that was sort of well known when the playerbase was only 1000 and he was in one of the first top tier corporations? I should make another alt and go into the academy and ask if they know who he is, then ask again in 3 months... how many you think would say "who?"

AR RoF
750 RPM / 60
12.5 RPS / 2
6.5 RP1/2S

37.4 base damage x 6.5 = 243.1 x 1.5 headshot modifier =
354.65 best possible damage with Duvolle in 1/2 a sec with base weapon

37.4 x 1.3134 weapon damage modifier = 49.12116 x 6.5 = 319.28754 x 1.5 =
478.93131 best possible damage with Duvolle in 1/2 a sec with 5 light damage mods

37.4 +( (37.4 x 0.3134) + (37.4 x 0.15 lvl 5 AR prof)) = 54.73116 x 6.5 = 355.75254 x 1.5 =
533.62881 best possible damage with Duvolle in 1/2 a sec with 5 light damage mods and lvl 5 AR prof.

I call BS, thats not even enough damage to drop an unfitted MLT heavy dropsuit.

OP lied to us, so his whole post is nothing but a lie.

Isn't proficiency compound?
Example:

34 * 1.05 = 35.7
35.7 * 1.05 = etc... etc....
The 5% is added to the last base damage I thought?

I know Damage Mods aren't that way anymore.
(And yes, my number are fictitious because I'm posting from my mobile)

Heres truth.
HMG heavy looses to meduim frame AR Duvolle.

Later that pissed off heavy says **** this HMG and we see another heavy using a Duvolle AR.

Then an epiphany hits that AR heavy and another meduim frame AR Duvolle is born.

Isn't proficiency compound?
Example:

34 * 1.05 = 35.7
35.7 * 1.05 = etc... etc....
The 5% is added to the last base damage I thought?

I know Damage Mods aren't that way anymore.
(And yes, my number are fictitious because I'm posting from my mobile)

Ironically, a proto heavy frame with 2x complex damage mods, high proficiency and a Duvolle is one of the few things that can consistently humiliate a med frame AR at standoff ranges if he can ADS well lmao ... can push similar DPS and active rep (2x comp on hvy.... 1x comp + logi bonus on logi) profiles with much greater buffer HP = logi dies first

So, I have to play the game long and obsessively to be considered good? Funny, I thought being good was scoring the highest, winning the most, etc. Guess what, in another 6 months I'll still be better than you. I'll still have gotten more solo Orbitals than you. I'll still have killed you more than me.

You act like DUST is this elitist game with such a massive skill curve when its not. How long have I been playing anyway? I'd seriously like to know, go run and find out for me, I'll wait back here. Hop to it, kiddo.
LOL...

But, back on topic, were my statements less true? Does a Duvolle not cause 55 damage per shot? How about this, you kill me in game and I'll throw you a million....

I have incredible difficulty taking on Proto Heavy 1v1 in PC.

This character of yours was made January 26th of this year. Any other smartass things you would like to know? And while you don't have to be overly skilled to get kills in this game, it does take a bit of skill to do better than a 1 KDR with only 2k to 3k kills.

I have incredible difficulty taking on Proto Heavy 1v1 in PC.

Just ran a few rounds as a HMG sentinel heavy, all proto (armor, hmg, suit) alt, Duvolle melts it in a half second in CQB. GG CCP, no wonder this game is dead.

How long does it take to reduce AR dmg by 20%?

If you reduce AR damage by 20% across the board, everyone will just go to some other weapon and everyone will complain about that.

Ive been here since closed beta. Trust me:

all of this has happened before and will happen again.

Well, according to regynum we should be nerfing everything but the AR...

I have incredible difficulty taking on Proto Heavy 1v1 in PC.

Its called aiming at their head, Jr.
Its actually more of a lag and hit detection issue by the way.

I don't know your exact situation you're venting about, but if its a straight up gunfight, you should have won; perhaps its you? HMG will lose to a PRO Duvolle player outside of 15m though.

Paran has been here since very early beta and is a badass.

AR RoF
750 RPM / 60
12.5 RPS / 2
6.25 RP1/2S

37.4 base damage x 6.25 = 233.75 x 1.5 headshot modifier =
350.625 best possible damage with Duvolle in 1/2 a sec with base weapon

37.4 x 1.3134 weapon damage modifier = 49.12116 x 6.25 = 307.00725 x 1.5 =
460.510875 best possible damage with Duvolle in 1/2 a sec with 5 light damage mods

37.4 +( (37.4 x 0.3134) + (37.4 x 0.15 lvl 5 AR prof)) = 54.73116 x 6.25 = 342.06975 x 1.5 =
513.104625 best possible damage with Duvolle in 1/2 a sec with 5 light damage mods and lvl 5 AR prof.

I call BS, thats not even enough damage to drop an unfitted MLT heavy dropsuit.

I'm assuming your not very good...AR has been the best gun since the god tanks were nerfed...even when lasers were op the AR was still the go to gun...and I can cut through any proto heavy especially if I'm behind him he will die before he can turn around lmao

Yeaaa

I'm an alright AR player, not a slayer by any means, and heavies were a joke for me to kill. Anyone who says otherwise are bad players, seriously.

HMG will lose to a PRO Duvolle player outside of 15m though.

That's crazy - the HMG should win within a longer reach. Especially with a tanker's low speed, a HMG shouldn't be outgunned at such short range.

That's the problem with the AR - it outDPSes other weapons in a far longer range than other weapons.

AR Weapon either needs less damage per bullet or all suits need a health boost.

A universal health boost would make the AR even more the weapon of choice. It wouldn't serve any purpose.

Other weapons would still be less useful. You already need up to 9 shots with a sniper rifle to down a fully buffed heavy.

Balance the AR! Either a damage reduction or a nerf of the optimal range.

Paran is my *****

Paran is my *****

Paran is my *****

People have their speculations here's mine..
Breach Ar= AR
Burst AR= combat rifle
Standard AR= scrambler rifle
Tac-Tar= Rail Rifle
That's just my speculation...could be wrong

Breach AR is supposed to be the Caldari rifle, but most likely with TAC AR range. Standard AR is the Gallente rifle (after a range nerf) and the TAC AR is the Amarr rifle.

HMG heavy........theres the problem.
Replace that HMG for a Duvolle AR.

Then replace that heavy for a medium frame.
Grab a Balac when available to toast other HMG heavies for lols.

This game is dying since its go AR or go home.
AR Weapon either needs less damage per bullet or all suits need a health boost.

Looks at impending November 14th PS4 launch date and Black Friday shopping spree.
Spends all day looking at upcomeing PS4 games and some new PS3 games.

Really, your idea is less damage or more health when people already run around with more than a thousand ehp no problem and engagement times are drastically longer than any other FPS on the market
Maybe we should make the entire game rely on stats and turn based combat, maybe that will stop the whining from the "Waaah AR killed me" crowd

Mmk.

the AR can deal its optimum damage out to 30-40 Meters, twice the HMG's Range, with perfect precision.

Just slap a Comp Damage Mod on a Duovalle and you pretty much HAVE a HMG.

But, alas, nothing is wrong.

Yeah and the HMG is made to be point defence, not charge forward kick in the door like I see most heavies trying to play it
Also learn to move around, its ridiculous that these days the only ones I see trying to dodge at all are shotgun scouts or guys running MDs, I see so so so many other people just stand there counting on their gear numbers to carry them and funnily enough its primarily heavies that do that

Heh, I remember this one hate mail I got from a heavy just because I killed him with a standard submachine gun but you know what its not because the SMG is oh so much better than the HMG but because he was a bad player
Hell he even had me dead to rights, it was on Ashland near D, he was on that little bridge and I ran behind that piece of wall right next to for cover and we were say 15 meters apart and my only way towards him was right there in his line of fire and I didnt have an escape route and was wearing AV nades so no help there
Now what does this guy do? He decides to advance on me for some stupid reason and got close enough that when I did pop out he barely took my shields while I hugged his side circle strafing him unloading into the side of his head

So you see, bad playing not because the HMG is weak, hell he could have stood where he was and tossed a grenade my way to flush me out or kill me but no he decided to trundle forward like a dumb fat kid

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The range of the ar is way more than should be maybe hmg should be on par until other variants comeout? Since that's what they did with the AR it will get a range nerf when other racials are out ;) have fun while it lasts

Yeah, to far when 35 meters is spitting distance
Start playing a heavy like a mobile turret and sit in ambush spots and marvel at how easy it is to get kills

Just ran a few rounds as a HMG sentinel heavy, all proto (armor, hmg, suit) alt, Duvolle melts it in a half second in CQB. GG CCP, no wonder this game is dead.

How long does it take to reduce AR dmg by 20%?

I've seen plenty all advanced heavies take out proto assaults. You're doing it wrong. Did you forget that perhaps you should hide behind cover? Sorry your "proto suit standing in the middle of the road mowing down red berries" tactic doesn't work anymore.

Truth is that with weapon damage so high it renders high health SLOW moving suits worthless.
A lot of heavies went to the gym and got a slim medium frame.

Howdidthattaste, twoton, Himiko, et all either quit or they went AR Duvolle medium frame or scrambler rifle or laser.

But we were 5 m from each other. I think it has to do with the AR DPS being so high to compensate previously for bad hit detection. AR dmg should be toned down, ttk is far too short now.

I love how people talk to IMPS like we're stupid...ummm you guys are forgetting something...

Paran has been here since very early beta and is a badass. So he does not need instruction over the weaknesses of heavies nor how to play in general.

AR is way OP. To think otherwise is absolutely ridiculous and you sound stupid for saying it. While auto aim may have made it worse, it was by far OP before the recent tweaks to aiming, and has been OP for a long time.

The resistance to nerfing this weapon since early beta continues to bring this game down. Math and stats have shown it, actual gameplay has shown it, and I have used it myself to prove it to myself.

The epeen stroking get good comments are laughable. The competition in this game is actually weaker than in early beta. The player base's skill level has been lowered, competition has been watered down. Yet people continue to think they are top **** using an AR and that their scores are just the result of them being "good". OK.

Me personally, I had high hopes but I'm over it. I just cruise the forums for now to see if anything actually ever changes, so far not missing much. The forum visits will stop soon as FPS releases are right around the corner that promise the same promises and then some; and are more likely to deliver.

Point is, if after almost 2 years since closed beta you still have an OP weapon that you won't touch irregardless of it's obvious imbalance, I must question your ability to rationalize or make smart decisions. If I am questioning your ability to even recognize obvious imbalances, then I must question your ability to recognize small ones. Meaning I no longer have faith that you will do the right thing by your own game, for reasons unbeknownst to us "common folk".

Just ran a few rounds as a HMG sentinel heavy, all proto (armor, hmg, suit) alt, Duvolle melts it in a half second in CQB. GG CCP, no wonder this game is dead.

How long does it take to reduce AR dmg by 20%?

I've seen plenty all advanced heavies take out proto assaults. You're doing it wrong. Did you forget that perhaps you should hide behind cover? Sorry your "proto suit standing in the middle of the road mowing down red berries" tactic doesn't work anymore.

Just ran a few rounds as a HMG sentinel heavy, all proto (armor, hmg, suit) alt, Duvolle melts it in a half second in CQB. GG CCP, no wonder this game is dead.

How long does it take to reduce AR dmg by 20%?

I agree.

I rarely use the Duvolle outside of PC these days, its too easy and I feel sort of cheap. I'll stick with the tac AR and the scrambler for pub games, although they are very powerful weapons, they at least need some skillfull handling to be effective.

I do however think that 20% is probably too much, I suggested removing the 10% damage buff we got back after the loosing of the weaponry skill. So totally agree to at least a -10 % damage nerf for the auto ARs. (Give those 10% to the breach IMO)

The Breach needs it. I cannot think of a reason to use the Breach off the top of my head. I remember looking at the STD Breach and wondering why it's DPS, damage per clip and range were all inferior to the normal, which costs less. -_-

get carried nub

Wouldn't even be having this discussion if the Ar wasn't easymode. &****ing Ar crutch users

LO only in dust EVER

The breach is really fun with a set of damage mods but it still underperforms to what it supposed to be doing, but watch if ccp boosts the gun its gonna be the new FOTM for 2 months lol (think Tac)

No Offense to the real heavies out there, but "Most" heavies play heavy because of the Moar Armor and Less need for any aiming/running out of ammo Midfight while spraying & praying.

Most heavies have my "GrandMothers on my Fathers side" Aim and she passed away years ago, so yeah loads of Mobility in their wrists/thumbs.

The breach is really fun with a set of damage mods but it still underperforms to what it supposed to be doing, but watch if ccp boosts the gun its gonna be the new FOTM for 2 months lol (think Tac)

The AR is easy mode. This damage doesn't make sense: AR>SMG>HMG. It can't be rationalized in real life or in game.

LOL in no game EVER

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CreoDron Breach does 374 damage a second, base. Duvolle does almost 470 a second, base.

Standard Assault Rifles do 425 damage a second, so if you use a CreoDron Breach, congratulations, you are doing 10% LESS damage than when you started the game with a Militia Assault Rifle.

Just ran a few rounds as a HMG sentinel heavy, all proto (armor, hmg, suit) alt, Duvolle melts it in a half second in CQB. GG CCP, no wonder this game is dead.

How long does it take to reduce AR dmg by 20%?

I'm really hoping CCP's next move is to get around to fixing some of these really obvious balance issues. Its one thing if AR's on the whole are too powerful, but its a totally different one that some AR's do so little damage that there's no reason to ever use them. Especially when it just takes a little bit of basic math to figure it out :-/

How about increasing your skills by 20%? Man, hate to see a fat man cry! lol

I agree. The Breach is a little bit of a hard weapon to balance, though. It doesn't play very differently from the normal Assault Rifles, so if its DPS was better, it would just be used instead. Really, the Breach needs to do what is in its name; Breach. It needs to be high damage over a short range with a large clip size, that falls off quickly. It needs to be the kind of weapon where things are in a stalemate in a CQC situation, so you pull out your breach and try to smash down the defenses to get back control.

When will CCP learn that raising the RPM or damage while lowering the other does not make a good weapon variation? At the end of the day, unless you alter something else like the range/recoil/damage per clip, you're just changing the DPS, which makes the weapon directly inferior or superior.

it depends on what they actually want it for, the problem is that 's not clear. In EVERY other shooter i've played low ROF weapons are meant for longer range engagements and suffer at short, but with the Breach they made it have good hip-fire accuracy, which in a way terminates its weakness.

IMO the standard and burst AR's should be close to medium range rifles (as far as effectiveness) while the Breach and Tactical are the medium to long range weapons. Simply removing the hip-fire accuracy buff the Breach gets should accomplish this since higher ROF weapons are always better for close range engagements (when it comes to AR's of course)

Removing the hip fire buff makes the Breach mathematically inferior in every way, unless you want to say that "lowering your fire rate and gimping your DPS by 30% makes you more accurate!" The gun is not better at long range right now and it wouldn't be made better at that by removing hip fire bonuses. If doing so would work, it's be a good weapon already. Higher rate of fire weapons are not always better in CQC. Which is better at CQC? 10 damage * 1000 bullets a minute or 30 damage * 500 bullets a minute? The only reason they are ATM is because CCP can't do math.