People have their speculations here's mine..
Breach Ar= AR
Burst AR= combat rifle
Standard AR= scrambler rifle
Tac-Tar= Rail Rifle
That's just my speculation...could be wrong

Breach AR is supposed to be the Caldari rifle, but most likely with TAC AR range. Standard AR is the Gallente rifle (after a range nerf) and the TAC AR is the Amarr rifle.

HMG heavy........theres the problem.
Replace that HMG for a Duvolle AR.

Then replace that heavy for a medium frame.
Grab a Balac when available to toast other HMG heavies for lols.

This game is dying since its go AR or go home.
AR Weapon either needs less damage per bullet or all suits need a health boost.

Looks at impending November 14th PS4 launch date and Black Friday shopping spree.
Spends all day looking at upcomeing PS4 games and some new PS3 games.

Really, your idea is less damage or more health when people already run around with more than a thousand ehp no problem and engagement times are drastically longer than any other FPS on the market
Maybe we should make the entire game rely on stats and turn based combat, maybe that will stop the whining from the "Waaah AR killed me" crowd

Mmk.

the AR can deal its optimum damage out to 30-40 Meters, twice the HMG's Range, with perfect precision.

Just slap a Comp Damage Mod on a Duovalle and you pretty much HAVE a HMG.

But, alas, nothing is wrong.

Yeah and the HMG is made to be point defence, not charge forward kick in the door like I see most heavies trying to play it
Also learn to move around, its ridiculous that these days the only ones I see trying to dodge at all are shotgun scouts or guys running MDs, I see so so so many other people just stand there counting on their gear numbers to carry them and funnily enough its primarily heavies that do that

Heh, I remember this one hate mail I got from a heavy just because I killed him with a standard submachine gun but you know what its not because the SMG is oh so much better than the HMG but because he was a bad player
Hell he even had me dead to rights, it was on Ashland near D, he was on that little bridge and I ran behind that piece of wall right next to for cover and we were say 15 meters apart and my only way towards him was right there in his line of fire and I didnt have an escape route and was wearing AV nades so no help there
Now what does this guy do? He decides to advance on me for some stupid reason and got close enough that when I did pop out he barely took my shields while I hugged his side circle strafing him unloading into the side of his head

So you see, bad playing not because the HMG is weak, hell he could have stood where he was and tossed a grenade my way to flush me out or kill me but no he decided to trundle forward like a dumb fat kid

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The range of the ar is way more than should be maybe hmg should be on par until other variants comeout? Since that's what they did with the AR it will get a range nerf when other racials are out ;) have fun while it lasts

Yeah, to far when 35 meters is spitting distance
Start playing a heavy like a mobile turret and sit in ambush spots and marvel at how easy it is to get kills

Just ran a few rounds as a HMG sentinel heavy, all proto (armor, hmg, suit) alt, Duvolle melts it in a half second in CQB. GG CCP, no wonder this game is dead.

How long does it take to reduce AR dmg by 20%?

I've seen plenty all advanced heavies take out proto assaults. You're doing it wrong. Did you forget that perhaps you should hide behind cover? Sorry your "proto suit standing in the middle of the road mowing down red berries" tactic doesn't work anymore.

Truth is that with weapon damage so high it renders high health SLOW moving suits worthless.
A lot of heavies went to the gym and got a slim medium frame.

Howdidthattaste, twoton, Himiko, et all either quit or they went AR Duvolle medium frame or scrambler rifle or laser.

But we were 5 m from each other. I think it has to do with the AR DPS being so high to compensate previously for bad hit detection. AR dmg should be toned down, ttk is far too short now.

I love how people talk to IMPS like we're stupid...ummm you guys are forgetting something...

Paran has been here since very early beta and is a badass. So he does not need instruction over the weaknesses of heavies nor how to play in general.

AR is way OP. To think otherwise is absolutely ridiculous and you sound stupid for saying it. While auto aim may have made it worse, it was by far OP before the recent tweaks to aiming, and has been OP for a long time.

The resistance to nerfing this weapon since early beta continues to bring this game down. Math and stats have shown it, actual gameplay has shown it, and I have used it myself to prove it to myself.

The epeen stroking get good comments are laughable. The competition in this game is actually weaker than in early beta. The player base's skill level has been lowered, competition has been watered down. Yet people continue to think they are top **** using an AR and that their scores are just the result of them being "good". OK.

Me personally, I had high hopes but I'm over it. I just cruise the forums for now to see if anything actually ever changes, so far not missing much. The forum visits will stop soon as FPS releases are right around the corner that promise the same promises and then some; and are more likely to deliver.

Point is, if after almost 2 years since closed beta you still have an OP weapon that you won't touch irregardless of it's obvious imbalance, I must question your ability to rationalize or make smart decisions. If I am questioning your ability to even recognize obvious imbalances, then I must question your ability to recognize small ones. Meaning I no longer have faith that you will do the right thing by your own game, for reasons unbeknownst to us "common folk".

Just ran a few rounds as a HMG sentinel heavy, all proto (armor, hmg, suit) alt, Duvolle melts it in a half second in CQB. GG CCP, no wonder this game is dead.

How long does it take to reduce AR dmg by 20%?

I've seen plenty all advanced heavies take out proto assaults. You're doing it wrong. Did you forget that perhaps you should hide behind cover? Sorry your "proto suit standing in the middle of the road mowing down red berries" tactic doesn't work anymore.

Just ran a few rounds as a HMG sentinel heavy, all proto (armor, hmg, suit) alt, Duvolle melts it in a half second in CQB. GG CCP, no wonder this game is dead.

How long does it take to reduce AR dmg by 20%?

I agree.

I rarely use the Duvolle outside of PC these days, its too easy and I feel sort of cheap. I'll stick with the tac AR and the scrambler for pub games, although they are very powerful weapons, they at least need some skillfull handling to be effective.

I do however think that 20% is probably too much, I suggested removing the 10% damage buff we got back after the loosing of the weaponry skill. So totally agree to at least a -10 % damage nerf for the auto ARs. (Give those 10% to the breach IMO)

The Breach needs it. I cannot think of a reason to use the Breach off the top of my head. I remember looking at the STD Breach and wondering why it's DPS, damage per clip and range were all inferior to the normal, which costs less. -_-

get carried nub

Wouldn't even be having this discussion if the Ar wasn't easymode. &****ing Ar crutch users

LO only in dust EVER

The breach is really fun with a set of damage mods but it still underperforms to what it supposed to be doing, but watch if ccp boosts the gun its gonna be the new FOTM for 2 months lol (think Tac)

No Offense to the real heavies out there, but "Most" heavies play heavy because of the Moar Armor and Less need for any aiming/running out of ammo Midfight while spraying & praying.

Most heavies have my "GrandMothers on my Fathers side" Aim and she passed away years ago, so yeah loads of Mobility in their wrists/thumbs.

The breach is really fun with a set of damage mods but it still underperforms to what it supposed to be doing, but watch if ccp boosts the gun its gonna be the new FOTM for 2 months lol (think Tac)

The AR is easy mode. This damage doesn't make sense: AR>SMG>HMG. It can't be rationalized in real life or in game.