Stop generalizing my ass because apparently you don't know my views.

I have been frequently called a COD noob because I have always DEFENDED the AR. I am not suggesting it get nerfed, I am saying it needs to be re-worked.

Also, explain to me how changing its optimal range from 65 to 35 would not be drastic.

My bad. Just figured being an assualt rifle and in the future it would be pretty good compared to simple earth weapons.

Crazy right?

My bad. Just figured being an assualt rifle and in the future it would be pretty good compared to simple earth weapons.

Crazy right?

My bad. Just figured being an assualt rifle and in the future it would be pretty good compared to simple earth weapons.

Crazy right?

if they incorperated drop then perhaps this wouldnt apear crazy, but apparently, there is no gravity in new eden. Or at least it affects eveything accept bullets.

Now that seems crazy to me

I dont think we're playing the same game. I can take out multiple people with a shotgun in a very short timespan. You'd be lucky just finishing off the second guy with the AR. I can twoshot a heavy or heavily fitted proto suits whereas my AR just barely has enough ammo to take one down in one mag.

The only times I lost to AR in CQC is either
a) I'm outside effective range (which is pretty short, I'll admit that)
b)hitreg f's me over
c) I miss

Under no circumstance would AR be able to output more DPS than a shotgun considering a shotgun can one shot newberries while ARs cant.

Same can be said about HMG, as long as they're in effective range, HMG chews through armor and shield like butter. If accuracy is an issue, then try crouching and zooming (assuming you're in range to still do decent damage). Bonus points if you play smart like hiding around corners or setting up shop ahead of time.

As for your comment about SMGs, the people who run around with SMG as a primary beg to differ. I would rank SMG in the same category as shotguns as a CQC primary given the damage, RoF, and magazine size it has.

The plasma would probably cool and turn into a gas before it would be noticeably affected by gravitational forces.

Considering virtually every single match I am in, I am on the receiving end of a pubstomp...

And the thing is, I have SMG proficiency 1 (and plan for it to go higher). Guess what? I often run with it as a primary. I can do well with it, by my standards ( 19:10, 2400 WP as a logi with an SMG). I still end up outgunned. Even when I use my tankier suits.

Same thing with the HMG. I have Proficiency 3, and have literally been firing at an enemy well within my optimal range, and they took the equivalent of NO DAMAGE. As for crouching: Lets become an even more stationary target! Every time I come across a crouching HMG heavy, regardless of what suit I am in, they are as good as toast. Because they can't move very well. Crouching is only good if you are not in optimal range. But even then, you are probably within optimal range of another weapon.

As for the shotgun, I have come around the corner, surprised some one, and connected two shots, and I died to point blank AR fire. Sure, as long as I sneak up on an enemy, they are dead. But if they see me, all they have to do is back up and fire (even when I use my medium frame suits). And guess what? I've done this to many a shotgunner. It can't really go toe to toe with an AR and win as often as it should.

If you have not been outgunned by an AR as much as I have, then you are lucky. Alas, I am not, and as such, I frequently get out gunned by an AR even when I have the upper-hand with my non-AR.

Because its optimal is not 65 meters right now its around 35 so your "tweaking" is just leaving it at what it is right now
The reason people keep dying outside its optimal is simple, they dont serpentine in the open and they dont take cover when its available
And full auto spraying does adversely affect your tracking which is why the smart players fire in bursts, its not my fault you cant tell bursts in rapid succession from full auto

Hmm... Most peculiar. Most likely has to do with hit detection.

I just had a game today where I melted two heavies in quick succession. I ran into a building and saw two heavies. Knowing I was out gunned, I ran back and crouched behind some boxes. I aimed down the sight and shot for their heads. Poor fools didn't even last 5 seconds. Oh they shot back, but their dispersion was horrible; they strafed side to side trying to avoid my bullets. Oddly enough, they hurt themselves more by moving so much.

The HMG class is difficult. It only works if you can set yourself up in a good stationary position. CCP always said the Sentinel was primarily for point defense, I think they went a little to far. Regardless, you need to stop using the HMG like a big AR. That type of play style completely contradicts the HMG's strengths.

Make an assault rifle's effective range at 35m? LOLLL! Surely you jest sir, surely. No AR weapon effective range stops at 35m. And it can't be a glorified SMG.

Some folks don't have a clue about what they are expressing about the weaponry...

Not even reading original post.

Ar 15 has 400 yard range.
Ak 47 has 250 yard range.

How is it that in the future the ar has less range?

Seriously.....learn to creep on maps, use cover and fight by logis or in larger groups.

Make an assault rifle's effective range at 35m? LOLLL! Surely you jest sir, surely. No AR weapon effective range stops at 35m. And it can't be a glorified SMG.

Some folks don't have a clue about what they are expressing about the weaponry...

Dude you need to calm down, nobody likes keyboard drool.

Furthermore, I find it immensely funny that you think I am a CoD boi because I fancy the AR. It is broad assumptions like this, that get people in trouble in real life, and make people look like idiots on the internet.

Secondly, I immensely enjoy the TTK ratio in Dust. Why would I want to lower that to Cod level? I believe the tracking shooter genre is a dying breed in the FPS world, and I am grateful that games like Dust try capture the tracking feel.

Who ever said this was my game? Honestly, why would not want anybody with lengthy experience to balance the weapon.

Lastly, I am 100% I know who the good players are, and the trash...

CCP has already stated that the current version is temporary. Supposedly it will be reworked when the Combat Rifle and Rail Rifle come in.

I believe it should be reworked NOT nerfed.

-Reduce the effective range to 35 meters(not when they register but how much damage is done at long ranges) after which the damage would abruptly drop to 50% and eventually drop to 25% after reaching 60 meters.
-Increase damage at 0 to 15 meter range.
-Increase rate of fire
-Increase recoil(due to increased recoil, not due to recoil increase per shot)
-Include over heat if more than 40 bolts are fired continuously*--READ NOTE--

The AR should be a glorified SMG with more damage, less rpm, less ammo, better range and slightly better recoil.

Just my thoughts.


Note*:
Instead of over heat, how about increased muzzle flash after 30 shots? Not brighter, just bigger. That way, it is harder to spam shots from a long distance.

It's a blaster weapon. Blaster weapons in the EVE world have VERY VERY VERY short ranges.

Gert YOUR sci-fi facts straight before you laugh about the missing todays-knowledge of military technology when the game plays in a completely different universe. Not the word AR is the more imprtant one, but the fact that it is a blaster weapon.

My bad. Just figured being an assualt rifle and in the future it would be pretty good compared to simple earth weapons.

Crazy right?

I know it's semantical, but; the AK platform is more than accurate at 400 meters plus. The misconception comes from testing of used, dirty and maltreated AK-47's/AKM's from the jungles of Vietnam.

But I digress.

The AR in game needs to be CQC, because that is what it is suppose to be.

Hit detection can be rather poor, yes. That is probably part of the problem.

But as for the HMG... sticking to cover when moving about, ADS when applicable, choosing my engagements carefully, strafing against other HMG heavies in 1v1 senarios, and only bringing out the HMG on maps that have decent CQC... is using the HMG like an AR?

Please, do tell the proper usage of the HMG. Because my best way of playing to its supposed strengths is apparently not correct. My way seemed to function fine throughout Chromosome, and still works nice on two maps (that I seldom get to play because matchmaking hates me), provided hit detection is kind to me.

Still, to me, the AR feels too effective in CQC compared to dedicated CQC weapons. It is able to outgun other CQC weapons more regularly than what I feel it should. Whether the fix (if one is even needed) is to simply improve hit detection, or to adjust the AR, is up for debate.

CCP has already stated that the current version is temporary. Supposedly it will be reworked when the Combat Rifle and Rail Rifle come in.

I believe it should be reworked NOT nerfed.

-Reduce the effective range to 35 meters(not when they register but how much damage is done at long ranges) after which the damage would abruptly drop to 50% and eventually drop to 25% after reaching 60 meters.
-Increase damage at 0 to 15 meter range.
-Increase rate of fire
-Increase recoil(due to increased recoil, not due to recoil increase per shot)
-Include over heat if more than 40 bolts are fired continuously*--READ NOTE--

The AR should be a glorified SMG with more damage, less rpm, less ammo, better range and slightly better recoil.

Just my thoughts.


Note*:
Instead of over heat, how about increased muzzle flash after 20 shots? Not brighter, just bigger. That way, it is harder to spam shots from a long distance.

plasma makes a weapon less accurate?
I can tell you are super gutsy. Ide never challenge you.

WHOA your buffing proto's or nerfing AR???? we need AR to kill heavies and armor tankers!!!

To some it all up, the AR would be better in CQC situations and less effective at range.

Why would we have the HMG then?

Thats ment to be beast at CQC, getting out gunned in the HMG ideal situation by an AR makes it meh

i only agree with this since its a gallente AR meaning it would have the shortest range of all the ARs, minmatar ARs should have the range of current ARs and amarr ARs should have range of TAC/Laser while the caldari shoot as far as its scope can see while losing effectiveness in close range

Nope thats what militia gear is supposed to be for.