I feel like an increased rate of fire + increased recoil= an unsatisfying weapon

Are you serious a real AR 15 has over 500 yards in hitting a point target. I use to qualify at 500 yards in the Marine Corp and could hit 10 out of 10 rounds into a mans heart. The distance you suggest is near a SMG not a rifle. If they do decide to alter the AR they need to refund all SP to everyone that wishes to opt out.

Instead of adding overheat why not just reduce the clip size to 45-50.

You do know that your range "tweaking" is the same as leaving the damn thing alone right and even increasing the optimal range on it by a bit right

**** like that is why I cant take the guys crying about the AR seriously, they dont seem to really understand how it ******* works in the first place and propose things that wont alter it at all in any real way

Just tone the optimal range and add more dispersion/kick. CCP made the biggest mistake by listening to kneejerk reactions during the first week of Uprising. Everyone was so used to sharpshooter and aiming was horrible, but instead of fixing the latter, they caved in and gave everyone automatic sniper rifles.

OK so now after your plan, given the open long range nature of Dust's maps, how long will it be before we see your next post whining about how the Scr can kill you at range now that every single player has respecced into the Scr.

Do you just keep going until everyone is using Nova Knives? This is a shooter, not Dirty Dancing.

And stop using obscene language to emphasize your point. If you have an extensive vocabulary, you can do so without the expletives.

Has nothing to do with comparison. I just find it funny that any rifle would have an effective range of 35m. It sounds absurd.

Second, short range could mean anything brain child. Short range doesn't mean 35m only.

So in a futuristic world where immortality is found...they build rifles that can only shoot at 35m, effectively?

Our dropsuits don't affect our performance?

It sounds as nonsensical as you angry tirade. Smoke a bowl...

The imperial is a really skill weapon i gotta say. If you heat up that first shoot and miss you know that you'r pretty much in a bad position from there because that the heat bar is already half full or something around there.

Regarding that the AR is meant to be a versatile gun like an AK and a M4 i must say no. The AR right now is exactly like a M4 with AK47 rounds. It's good in pretty much 85% of all gunfights you'll encounter but it should be much more of a close range gun. If we tune it into being more of a "AK47" dust version by keeping damage as it is, increasing recoil and then decreasing optimal range it'll be where it should be. (yes i do know an ak47 shoot is pretty much deadly even after flying around 2 km's so the range on that is pretty much damm good, but as we are seeking BALANCE such would be stupid)

Pretty much the biggest thing that has to happen is the range drop. This would make the AR a close range mediocre skill gun to use. And hey people have been screaming for indoors maps for forever now and still do (even though we got them now) so lets make that AR into a CQC weapon.

If the AR becomes even more adept at CQC than it already is... then that spells trouble for all the other CQC weaponry that the AR already steps on the toes of.

As it stands, I've been outgunned by an AR using the HMG in its optimal range... I've been outgunned by an AR while using a shotgun in its optimal range... I've also been outgunned by an AR while using the SMG in its optimal range... Yeah, and that is not rare in the least.

If the AR is to be more CQC as per typical gallentean racial characteristics, then a bunch of weapons will be need of some more balancing as well.

My bad. Just figured being an assualt rifle and in the future it would be pretty good compared to simple earth weapons.

Crazy right?

if they incorperated drop then perhaps this wouldnt apear crazy, but apparently, there is no gravity in new eden. Or at least it affects eveything accept bullets.

Now that seems crazy to me

Considering virtually every single match I am in, I am on the receiving end of a pubstomp...

And the thing is, I have SMG proficiency 1 (and plan for it to go higher). Guess what? I often run with it as a primary. I can do well with it, by my standards ( 19:10, 2400 WP as a logi with an SMG). I still end up outgunned. Even when I use my tankier suits.

Same thing with the HMG. I have Proficiency 3, and have literally been firing at an enemy well within my optimal range, and they took the equivalent of NO DAMAGE. As for crouching: Lets become an even more stationary target! Every time I come across a crouching HMG heavy, regardless of what suit I am in, they are as good as toast. Because they can't move very well. Crouching is only good if you are not in optimal range. But even then, you are probably within optimal range of another weapon.

As for the shotgun, I have come around the corner, surprised some one, and connected two shots, and I died to point blank AR fire. Sure, as long as I sneak up on an enemy, they are dead. But if they see me, all they have to do is back up and fire (even when I use my medium frame suits). And guess what? I've done this to many a shotgunner. It can't really go toe to toe with an AR and win as often as it should.

If you have not been outgunned by an AR as much as I have, then you are lucky. Alas, I am not, and as such, I frequently get out gunned by an AR even when I have the upper-hand with my non-AR.

Because its optimal is not 65 meters right now its around 35 so your "tweaking" is just leaving it at what it is right now
The reason people keep dying outside its optimal is simple, they dont serpentine in the open and they dont take cover when its available
And full auto spraying does adversely affect your tracking which is why the smart players fire in bursts, its not my fault you cant tell bursts in rapid succession from full auto

Hit detection can be rather poor, yes. That is probably part of the problem.

But as for the HMG... sticking to cover when moving about, ADS when applicable, choosing my engagements carefully, strafing against other HMG heavies in 1v1 senarios, and only bringing out the HMG on maps that have decent CQC... is using the HMG like an AR?

Please, do tell the proper usage of the HMG. Because my best way of playing to its supposed strengths is apparently not correct. My way seemed to function fine throughout Chromosome, and still works nice on two maps (that I seldom get to play because matchmaking hates me), provided hit detection is kind to me.

Still, to me, the AR feels too effective in CQC compared to dedicated CQC weapons. It is able to outgun other CQC weapons more regularly than what I feel it should. Whether the fix (if one is even needed) is to simply improve hit detection, or to adjust the AR, is up for debate.

WHOA your buffing proto's or nerfing AR???? we need AR to kill heavies and armor tankers!!!

Here we go again with another one of these threads that's started and supported by people that suck at using ARs.

The ONLY alteration that is acceptable to the AR imo,is a reduced amount of ammo in the clip.

Max ammo should only be 45 rounds,50 for the Krin's,and 55 for the GAR-21.

Having less ammo would force people to play with more strategy,stick in bigger groups,and it makes logis more viable.

Seems like anti AR nuts just want a complete nerf so they can feel like they have a better chance of winning.

First the thought that CCP will listen is just so cute it makes me smile.

Second, learn how to play the game. Because the AR is the default weapon in virtually every FPS. And DUST has already gutted the AR from its previous high by quite a drastic amount. If you didn't play in the Beta then you don't know that all ARs had decent scopes and many got Iron Sights as a replacement. That alone dropped the long distance kills by a large percentage.

'AR Nerf' is the sound of whiners and it is music to our ears. You suggestion is a Major Nerf and just because your lying fingers claim it isn't a 35m limit will put them just above the HMG for range. Leaving what as an option? Anything but an AR obviously because you are getting stomped by them.

HTFU or GTFO.

Just for the record: is pretty much defined as unfightable. Mass driver and flaylock pistol were unfightable. Old lavs were unfightable. Drop ships without swarm luanchers are unfightable.

I dont care who you are. If you have an assualt rifle in its current state and you face some one else who has the same or an smg. You always have a fighting chance.

Op is rediculous. The ar is far from rediculous. Core locust grenades are loldiculous.

first off the assault rifle is by nature a medium range weapon. so I can't say I agree with your Idea. adjustment is needed but not like this.

rebalance:

gallente: lower the rof w/ minor damage buff
caldari: semi auto medium long range
minmatar: high ROF medium short range
amarr: fine the way it is