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Den-tredje Baron
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.10.13 04:29:00 -
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Keri Starlight wrote:Everything can be discussed and might be even reasonable, except overheat. I think they are supposed to be a really easy to use weapon, the classic and reliable "assault rifles" of other FPS games, like the M4 or the AK47.
I would just increase the recoil slightly rather than doing all that rework, I find that the majority of weapons in this game has already frustrating limited range. If anything, I would buff the both Scrambler variants' optimal range by 10%.
This is little of a nerf to the AR, but I really think it might be all we need. I don't see it this unbalanced... it may be just my opinion, but I think that an Imperail Scrambler is much better than a cheesy Duvolle... I don't get all the QQ. Meh...
The imperial is a really skill weapon i gotta say. If you heat up that first shoot and miss you know that you'r pretty much in a bad position from there because that the heat bar is already half full or something around there.
Regarding that the AR is meant to be a versatile gun like an AK and a M4 i must say no. The AR right now is exactly like a M4 with AK47 rounds. It's good in pretty much 85% of all gunfights you'll encounter but it should be much more of a close range gun. If we tune it into being more of a "AK47" dust version by keeping damage as it is, increasing recoil and then decreasing optimal range it'll be where it should be. (yes i do know an ak47 shoot is pretty much deadly even after flying around 2 km's so the range on that is pretty much damm good, but as we are seeking BALANCE such would be stupid)
Pretty much the biggest thing that has to happen is the range drop. This would make the AR a close range mediocre skill gun to use. And hey people have been screaming for indoors maps for forever now and still do (even though we got them now) so lets make that AR into a CQC weapon. |
Den-tredje Baron
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.10.13 14:26:00 -
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HYENAKILLER X wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:HYENAKILLER X wrote:Not even reading original post.
Ar 15 has 400 yard range.
Ak 47 has 250 yard range.
How is it that in the future the ar has less range?
Seriously.....learn to creep on maps, use cover and fight by logis or in larger groups. 'rubs temples' You realize that we are using blaster tech, right? This ain't a regular Assault Rifle, it's a Plasma Rifle. Get out of the Milky Way *****; This is New Eden. Get used to it. My bad. Just figured being an assualt rifle and in the future it would be pretty good compared to simple earth weapons. Crazy right?
Comparing a game and real world and then discussing out from these is like stating that COD and BF are very close to real world, because in real world you'r also able to jump out of a jetfighter, shoot the the guy in the jet behind you in the head and jump into his jet. And in Afghanistan the most normal picture to come across are a ton of troops jumping up and down, running and sprinting everywhere so that enemies can't hit them............ ohh yeah not.
What we seek in dust is BALANCE meaning we can only compare the weapons in dust to the other weapons +¡n dust and in dust the AR is way to versatile.
DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Den-tredje Baron wrote:
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I know it's semantical, but; the AK platform is more than accurate at 400 meters plus. The misconception comes from testing of used, dirty and maltreated AK-47's/AKM's from the jungles of Vietnam. But I digress. The AR in game needs to be CQC, because that is what it is suppose to be.
Yeah exactly real world AK range really isn't bad at all. Pretty much comes up to who's shooting. Why i hated going into comparing the AR to a real world gun 
Can't stress enough that what everybody seeks is fun and balance !! and the real world is far from fun and balanced so even though it makes no sense for a future gun to have less range than a gun we know today, that's what we gotta do to have it balanced and fun 
And hey noone have been showing me any stats on how much DPS a real life AK does :P
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