AR is already as good as, if not better than, specialty CQC weapons. HMG and Shotgun need to outperform AR upclose. No purpose to them otherwise.

Realistically, the AR should be nerfed at range, clip size reduced, and dispersion added.

Hip-fired rifles? Accurately? Srsly?

OK so now after your plan, given the open long range nature of Dust's maps, how long will it be before we see your next post whining about how the Scr can kill you at range now that every single player has respecced into the Scr.

Do you just keep going until everyone is using Nova Knives? This is a shooter, not Dirty Dancing.

Make an assault rifle's effective range at 35m? LOLLL! Surely you jest sir, surely. No AR weapon effective range stops at 35m. And it can't be a glorified SMG.

Some folks don't have a clue about what they are expressing about the weaponry...

AR is already as good as, if not better than, specialty CQC weapons. HMG and Shotgun need to outperform AR upclose. No purpose to them otherwise.

Realistically, the AR should be nerfed at range, clip size reduced, and dispersion added.

Hip-fired rifles? Accurately? Srsly?

I have been killed by AR's. I have been killed by Mass Drivers. I have been killed by HMG's, Scrambler Rifles, Laser Rifles, Flaylocks, Scrambler Pistols, Shot guns, Tanks, Dropships, Rail turrets, Blaster Turrets, Nova Knives, Plasma Cannons, SMG's, Grenades, Fast moving LAv's. I have been killed by all of these things, from Standard to Proto. Ive even had every kind of vehicle land on my head and kill me.

Everything in this game is lethal, its all just a matter of preference when we choose a weapon to kill each other with. Because you choose not to use AR's or maybe your just not any good with them, is no reason to type out countless posts about nerfing/rebalancing them. If you think it kills best or that its over powered... buy them and kill your friends with them. If CCP chooses to listen to you and nerf the weapon you disapprove of, it can only lead to one thing.


AR nerf happens...

one week later

Mass Drivers are OP!!! CCP nerf/rebalance them... Nerf happens.

one week later

HMG's are OP!!! CCP nerf/rebalance them... Nerf happens.

eventually... it rolls back around to...

AR's are OP!!! CCP nerf/rebalance them...

Leave it alone,. and CCP will determine whats OP and nerf at their convenience.

I didn't realize those guns used plasma good comparison

We also dont have short range plasma blasters in real life
gallente are supposed to have the shortest range of all the racial tech by far

Not even reading original post.

Ar 15 has 400 yard range.
Ak 47 has 250 yard range.

How is it that in the future the ar has less range?

Seriously.....learn to creep on maps, use cover and fight by logis or in larger groups.

I don't believe either of the weapons you just mentioned fire plasma.

Omg are you serious. Heavies almost always are crappy kids or people who cant play or aim who expect to hide behind armor. A good heavy kills you sir. Dont make me spec heavies and show you.

as far as out classing all cqc weapons. Thats actually really good dodging 90% of the time.

Okay I'll bite...

So weapons of the future should only have an effective range of 35m? Do you know how far 35m is? That's highly laughable to say that weapons of the future have an effective range of 35m, especially when we are in dropsuits that are constructed to optimize our performance.

a plasma weapon of that size, yes it would have an extremely short range - and we are not talking about every ******* weapon ever to be created by man, this is a gallente weapon = SHORT RANGE HIGH DAMAGE
stop ******* trying to compare **** to real life and the future

Hmmm In games with marginally HTK kill Hip has frequently been considerably arrurate.

Again Shotty, is making radical balance changes, yet not understanding the mechanics of the game.

And stop using obscene language to emphasize your point. If you have an extensive vocabulary, you can do so without the expletives.

Has nothing to do with comparison. I just find it funny that any rifle would have an effective range of 35m. It sounds absurd.

Second, short range could mean anything brain child. Short range doesn't mean 35m only.

So in a futuristic world where immortality is found...they build rifles that can only shoot at 35m, effectively?

Our dropsuits don't affect our performance?

It sounds as nonsensical as you angry tirade. Smoke a bowl...

Everything can be discussed and might be even reasonable, except overheat. I think they are supposed to be a really easy to use weapon, the classic and reliable "assault rifles" of other FPS games, like the M4 or the AK47.

I would just increase the recoil slightly rather than doing all that rework, I find that the majority of weapons in this game has already frustrating limited range. If anything, I would buff the both Scrambler variants' optimal range by 10%.

This is little of a nerf to the AR, but I really think it might be all we need. I don't see it this unbalanced... it may be just my opinion, but I think that an Imperail Scrambler is much better than a cheesy Duvolle... I don't get all the QQ. Meh...

The imperial is a really skill weapon i gotta say. If you heat up that first shoot and miss you know that you'r pretty much in a bad position from there because that the heat bar is already half full or something around there.

Regarding that the AR is meant to be a versatile gun like an AK and a M4 i must say no. The AR right now is exactly like a M4 with AK47 rounds. It's good in pretty much 85% of all gunfights you'll encounter but it should be much more of a close range gun. If we tune it into being more of a "AK47" dust version by keeping damage as it is, increasing recoil and then decreasing optimal range it'll be where it should be. (yes i do know an ak47 shoot is pretty much deadly even after flying around 2 km's so the range on that is pretty much damm good, but as we are seeking BALANCE such would be stupid)

Pretty much the biggest thing that has to happen is the range drop. This would make the AR a close range mediocre skill gun to use. And hey people have been screaming for indoors maps for forever now and still do (even though we got them now) so lets make that AR into a CQC weapon.

Are you serious a real AR 15 has over 500 yards in hitting a point target. I use to qualify at 500 yards in the Marine Corp and could hit 10 out of 10 rounds into a mans heart. The distance you suggest is near a SMG not a rifle. If they do decide to alter the AR they need to refund all SP to everyone that wishes to opt out.

If the AR becomes even more adept at CQC than it already is... then that spells trouble for all the other CQC weaponry that the AR already steps on the toes of.

As it stands, I've been outgunned by an AR using the HMG in its optimal range... I've been outgunned by an AR while using a shotgun in its optimal range... I've also been outgunned by an AR while using the SMG in its optimal range... Yeah, and that is not rare in the least.

If the AR is to be more CQC as per typical gallentean racial characteristics, then a bunch of weapons will be need of some more balancing as well.

Not even reading original post.

Ar 15 has 400 yard range.
Ak 47 has 250 yard range.

How is it that in the future the ar has less range?

Seriously.....learn to creep on maps, use cover and fight by logis or in larger groups.

I have level 3 in everything but forge guns, heavy machine guns, and plasma cannon. Who doesn't spec into everything to test everything out?

-You lost me at AR effective range at 35m

-You lost me at turning the AR (I repeat, an assault rifle) into a CQC weapon

I digress...it just doesn't make much sense all that you saying...

Do please enlighten us, great one.
How would you balance the AR?

Do you agree with Aldin Kan?
Or is he too beneath your vast understanding?

An AR 15 is not a Duvolle........................ an AR 15 is more like the Tactical Assault Rifle but better range and less damage.

If the AR becomes even more adept at CQC than it already is... then that spells trouble for all the other CQC weaponry that the AR already steps on the toes of.

As it stands, I've been outgunned by an AR using the HMG in its optimal range... I've been outgunned by an AR while using a shotgun in its optimal range... I've also been outgunned by an AR while using the SMG in its optimal range... Yeah, and that is not rare in the least.

If the AR is to be more CQC as per typical gallentean racial characteristics, then a bunch of weapons will be need of some more balancing as well.

If the AR becomes even more adept at CQC than it already is... then that spells trouble for all the other CQC weaponry that the AR already steps on the toes of.

As it stands, I've been outgunned by an AR using the HMG in its optimal range... I've been outgunned by an AR while using a shotgun in its optimal range... I've also been outgunned by an AR while using the SMG in its optimal range... Yeah, and that is not rare in the least.

If the AR is to be more CQC as per typical gallentean racial characteristics, then a bunch of weapons will be need of some more balancing as well.

'rubs temples' You realize that we are using blaster tech, right? This ain't a regular Assault Rifle, it's a Plasma Rifle. Get out of the Milky Way *****; This is New Eden. Get used to it.