Do not needle me in the middle of an active firefight. Dying happens, dying twice to a single mistake does not need to happen. You are messing with my KDR. Just because you've decided to have a horrible KDR for eternity and be bad doesn't mean the rest of us have to. Your assistance is neither wanted, nor appreciated.


Thank you for your time.

I'll make sure I stick my needle in you 3 times next time I see you just to make sure your KDR gets fked up. I need the WP anyways.

My point exactly.

I play for KDR (i know, killing people in a FPS, how dreadful) and to win. Logi's play for useless actions that generate WP and give them the illusion of being worth something.

My point exactly.

I play for KDR (i know, i cant do anything else) and to qq. Logi's play for useless KDR'ers that **** on their actions that generate WP and make them the most worthy soldiers somehow. I also have a small ****

Do not needle me in the middle of an active firefight. Dying happens, dying twice to a single mistake does not need to happen. You are messing with my KDR. Just because you've decided to have a horrible KDR for eternity and be bad doesn't mean the rest of us have to. Your assistance is neither wanted, nor appreciated.


Thank you for your time.

stop dieing then and no one can needle you and it doesn't mess with your kdr

Do not needle me in the middle of an active firefight. Dying happens, dying twice to a single mistake does not need to happen. You are messing with my KDR. Just because you've decided to have a horrible KDR for eternity and be bad doesn't mean the rest of us have to. Your assistance is neither wanted, nor appreciated.


Thank you for your time.

My point exactly.

I play for KDR (i know, killing people in a FPS, how dreadful) and to win. Logi's play for useless actions that generate WP and give them the illusion of being worth something.

My point exactly.

I play for KDR (i know, killing people in a FPS, how dreadful) and to win. Logi's play for useless actions that generate WP and give them the illusion of being worth something.

My WP are greater than your KDR any day bud.

Screw you bro Logis are amazing for my heavy. They keep me repped and at full ammo so i can gut people like you don't ever say Logis are useless...

And unlike your WP, my KDR actually contributes to winning.



Logis are useless.

My point exactly.

I play for KDR (i know, killing people in a FPS, how dreadful) and to win. Logi's play for useless actions that generate WP and give them the illusion of being worth something.

Killing people gives the whole team isk, by the way.

One more WP is one more step toward Victory

And unlike your WP, my KDR actually contributes to winning.

Then that would be a bad KDR.

I don't have a bad KDR, therefore this is not the case.

Despite what some may like to believe, KDR is actually extremely important.

Pretty sure all the top players with high KDR aren't scrubs. They have a good KDR because they are in fact, good players. In skirmish they can kill the opponents on/near the objective to clear it out which = win for the team.

Good slayers = best players and the key to victory in any gamemode.

Now KDR as a stat can lie, somebody can have good KDR but aren't really that good as a slayer. I mean heck, I have a 5.43 KDR yet I only obtained it because I am generally pretty careful in the game and try to die as little as I can. My goal is survival. However some of the true KDR beasts in this game can get into the heat of the battle and slay left and right, and they are the ones that win matches cause they are literally damn good players who can slay and survive at an alarming efficiency.

Do not needle me in the middle of an active firefight. Dying happens, dying twice to a single mistake does not need to happen. You are messing with my KDR. Just because you've decided to have a horrible KDR for eternity and be bad doesn't mean the rest of us have to. Your assistance is neither wanted, nor appreciated.


Thank you for your time.

if your so proud of it and your defending it with such ferociousness, why not tell us your golden k/d that your so proud of defending that you don't want logis to do their jobs.

Is slaying (while not dying) not important for capturing objectives?


that's only a good thing for ambush.

And unlike your WP, my KDR actually contributes to winning.



Logis are useless.

Logis are useless.

Why post here if simply to vent and not to accept the opinions and views of other players?

Go vent to a brick wall, it will have the same mindset as you.

im a good useless logis wit 6.10 kd

you guys heard him! lets buff logis

seriously, there are so many better games if the only thing you are looking for is KDR...

Is slaying (while not dying) not important for capturing objectives?

Yeah, apparently he skipped over that part of my post.

Slayers keep players dead and off objectives, they are extremely important. One good slayer can take out multiple opponents by themselves and hold that point, freeing up manpower to take and defend other objectives.

What's better, 5 low KDR players, not great at slaying, successfully defending a point, dying a lot and losing clones? Or 1 good slayer with 7 KDR successfully defending a point and not dying at all?

Even if we are talking clone counts, there has been many wins in PC and skirmish due to clone depletion, and it is a viable tactic. Slayers are the best option for both.

Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.

remind you of someone?

especially when you do it to an entire thread.

the last part of your posts is pretty much why this game is nearly dead.. people too focused on kd than the game as a whole.

He gave you a solid reason why slayers are superior and you scoffed at it and refused to debate further.

That's some pretty sad stuff.

Yeah, apparently he skipped over that part of my post.

Slayers keep players dead and off objectives, they are extremely important. One good slayer can take out multiple opponents by themselves and hold that point, freeing up manpower to take and defend other objectives.

What's better, 5 low KDR players, not great at slaying, successfully defending a point, dying a lot and losing clones? Or 1 good slayer with 7 KDR successfully defending a point and not dying at all?

Even if we are talking clone counts, there has been many wins in PC and skirmish due to clone depletion, and it is a viable tactic. Slayers are the best option for both.

Do not needle me in the middle of an active firefight. Dying happens, dying twice to a single mistake does not need to happen. You are messing with my KDR. Just because you've decided to have a horrible KDR for eternity and be bad doesn't mean the rest of us have to. Your assistance is neither wanted, nor appreciated.


Thank you for your time.

Dear Himiko-san,
as such i've recieved your request to NEVER help you out, based on your beliefs that Logistics players stick needles for WPs, rather than working on the kill death ratio. as such you made several negative comments on the "usefulness" of our actions. citing such things as slayers do the most work, as those who do the killing contribute greatly to the team.

as much as i want to say i am good with a rifle; i am not. merely someone who is more effective in a support role rather than a frontline soldier.
out of politeness, I am sorry if our actions are an annoyance to you at worst, but again cite the quote "a few bad apples spoil the bunch" before making such accusations at those who truly are proficient in this profession of ours. should i see you in battle, know that my nanohives are ready, my repair tool charged, and my nanite injectors prepared to resurrect our comrades for the sake of the team.

sadly, should the day come and you are bleeding out from being hit by a milita AR and you are my ally, i will not comply with your request. I will render my services to the fullest of my abilities, putting my own Clones at risk of being slain by the enemy for the sake of your survival.
Why, do you ask? because despite the hatred you have of me and my duties as well as the actions of my comrades, it is wise not to blame the bunch because of a few spoiled apples. True there are people who will tend to your survival only for the War Points, as such as there are people who boast the values of their kdr than the contributions to the grand scheme. perhaps it would be possible to partner together while on a few contracts perhaps? a chance to prove my worth or the worth of many a experienced logibro.

Yes, i am what you despise, but i am also a savior to countless others; i provide ammunition to the needy, i replenish the vitality of even the most upholstered fellows, and i work to bring back many from the graces of death itself. if you do not want to comment further then so be it, you shall not be missed.

be well and may your AR smite those in your path.

With regards,
Hunter.

I want talking about that part. seriously, and you call tankers ignorant.

he does the same thing I did just now in every thread he tries to debate against us in.

slayers aren't superior, if it was the case, CCP would announce that they intend this to be another call of duty game.

no class is superior to another, we all have our strengths and weaknesses but you only that your class is god and should be obeyed like it is in earthlike games.

Dear Himiko-san,
as such i've recieved your request to NEVER help you out, based on your beliefs that Logistics players stick needles for WPs, rather than working on the kill death ratio. as such you made several negative comments on the "usefulness" of our actions. citing such things as slayers do the most work, as those who do the killing contribute greatly to the team.

as much as i want to say i am good with a rifle; i am not. merely someone who is more effective in a support role rather than a frontline soldier.
out of politeness, I am sorry if our actions are an annoyance to you at worst, but again cite the quote "a few bad apples spoil the bunch" before making such accusations at those who truly are proficient in this profession of ours. should i see you in battle, know that my nanohives are ready, my repair tool charged, and my nanite injectors prepared to resurrect our comrades for the sake of the team.

sadly, should the day come and you are bleeding out from being hit by a milita AR and you are my ally, i will not comply with your request. I will render my services to the fullest of my abilities, putting my own Clones at risk of being slain by the enemy for the sake of your survival.
Why, do you ask? because despite the hatred you have of me and my duties as well as the actions of my comrades, it is wise not to blame the bunch because of a few spoiled apples. True there are people who will tend to your survival only for the War Points, as such as there are people who boast the values of their kdr than the contributions to the grand scheme. perhaps it would be possible to partner together while on a few contracts perhaps? a chance to prove my worth or the worth of many a experienced logibro.

Yes, i am what you despise, but i am also a savior to countless others; i provide ammunition to the needy, i replenish the vitality of even the most upholstered fellows, and i work to bring back many from the graces of death itself. if you do not want to comment further then so be it, you shall not be missed.

be well and may your AR smite those in your path.

With regards,
Hunter.

Despite what some may like to believe, KDR is actually extremely important.

Pretty sure all the top players with high KDR aren't scrubs. They have a good KDR because they are in fact, good players. In skirmish they can kill the opponents on/near the objective to clear it out which = win for the team.

Good slayers = best players and the key to victory in any gamemode.

Now KDR as a stat can lie, somebody can have good KDR but aren't really that good as a slayer. I mean heck, I have a 5.43 KDR yet I only obtained it because I am generally pretty careful in the game and try to die as little as I can. My goal is survival. However some of the true KDR beasts in this game can get into the heat of the battle and slay left and right, and they are the ones that win matches cause they are literally damn good players who can slay and survive at an alarming efficiency.

What CCP intends =/= reality.

No class is superior to the other? Wow. Get out of competitive gaming. Now.

KDR is the most important stat, period.

Do not needle me in the middle of an active firefight. Dying happens, dying twice to a single mistake does not need to happen. You are messing with my KDR. Just because you've decided to have a horrible KDR for eternity and be bad doesn't mean the rest of us have to. Your assistance is neither wanted, nor appreciated.


Thank you for your time.

I say that based on experience. is seems your ignorance knows no bounds like lukeboy.

Do not needle me in the middle of an active firefight. Dying happens, dying twice to a single mistake does not need to happen. You are messing with my KDR. Just because you've decided to have a horrible KDR for eternity and be bad doesn't mean the rest of us have to. Your assistance is neither wanted, nor appreciated.


Thank you for your time.

From experience? From EXPERIENCE you say?

Oh this is going to be good.

Please list any and all competitive gaming related majors you have won and/or placed top 3 in.

LOL You play DUST, why?

I didn't know you were talking about mlg ****, why on earth would you automatically assume that iv been in mlg?

I guess your title of being in synergy have made you grow ignorant and repulsive... but it comes with the territory.

when im talking about class advantages and disadvantages, im talking about every fps game iv ever played. cod, bf, resistance, halo, etc etc. no class is superior or inferior to any other class, advantages and disadvantages are too numerous to find common ground anywhere.. I would suggest playing killzone 2 for classes that are literally perfect.

So in other words, im too ignorant to realize that my standards are not the standards of everyone else and I think everyone who thinks differently from me are idiots

Ok.

hm... interesting because I cannot buy back my fittings or equipment with K/DR, can only do it with something called ISK and sometimes aurum... nope, no k/d.

if k/d was the most important stat, then I would be able to buy stuff with it.

K/D doesn't even accurately portray "slayer" skill, you could have a k/d of 10.0 when going against nubs who barely made their character an hour ago, then you have a k/d of 3.0 going against people on your level of tier, gear and skill. KD doesn't mean hardly anything here.

that argument has base in call of duty, halo and battlefield. not here.

You have no experience whatsoever in competitive gaming yet seem to believe that your opinion is anywhere near valid when approaching the subject of intended game design versus practical application.


It's time for you to stop talking now and walk away.


Your opinion is not valid and it never will be.

This is just getting silly....

KDR is a STAT - to get a more or less accurate idea of the players skill.

AUR and ISK is ingame money. How the hell is it possible to put those two up against each other? The oone being a stat and the other being a resource? KDR being the most important stat, isk/aur being the second most important resource after skillpoints.

You must be trolling right? You can't be that, well I guess the correct term is stupid.


- If you struggle with your income/cost ratio and isk is in short supply, well, you're not a good player for starters. And also, having a good KDR goes a long way for keeping the suit loss at a minimum.

And I think I covered the situationak aspect of the KDR stat pretty well. Out of curiosity, what is your KDR? In my experience most players that say it doesn't matter don't tend to have a good one...

You have no experience whatsoever in competitive gaming yet seem to believe that your opinion is anywhere near valid when approaching the subject of intended game design versus practical application.


It's time for you to stop talking now and walk away.


Your opinion is not valid and it never will be.

The amount of terrible players and sheer assholes in this game is appalling. For example: I've had a number of games where I set up uplinks on rooftops and put nanohives down, then if I die I'll switch to FG and proceed to blast people. What do some of these logiscrubs/blueberries do as soon as they spawn? They'll sit there and throw grenades non stop to destroy the nanohives, then jump down, die, spawn, die, spawn, die, rinse and repeat until uplink is gone.

Not only does no one drop equipment to help out, they'll purposely go out of their way to screw the rest of the team up by consuming nanohives/uplinks while not providing anything useful. It's mind boggling how selfish and utterly stupid people can be in this game. Then I'll get TEAMMATES sending me hatemails like "HAHA NO NANOHIVES FOR YOU!"

I can't do anything but laugh in those situations. I just turn off the game and play in the mornings when the kiddies are at school. I notice that the r-tards tend to come out in the evenings when I assume the CoD-kids are back from school and need their daily dose of douchebaggery.

I can do nothing but laugh of some of the more delusinal replies here...

"I'm a logi, not a great killer but I mostly end up on top or near to it in terms of WP", newsflash: Its so very very easy to get loads of WPs in Dust, toss some uplinks around, hack a little, rez a little and repair. These things take almost no skill at all, anyone can do it easily. Doing that while still having a 5+ KDR, that a lot of the "assaultlogi" hybrids (like me) out there does, do take some skill.

KDR is the most important stat, period.

That being said, the number isn't really that interresting. Like me, I have roughly a 5.3 KDR, if I wanted to, I could have gotten it up to perhaps 10 by not playing drunk, not going jihad into large groups of enemies, never using any form of LOL fits and just by generally playing in a more defensive manner, and not least; I could always camp on some pipe or rooftop....

On the other hand, if I didn't group up with good people half the times I play and with the same aggressive playstyle, I'd probably have a KDR of 3 or less....

So there is KDR and "legit" KDR, which makes it all way too complicated and with many details subject for debate. Lets just say that I see a lot of players that are a lot better than their stats say, and I see a lot of players with very nice stats that are totally useless out of their comfort zone.

This debate raged on the MAG forums for months, and the community finally decided to get it resolved once and for all. We splitt into two teams, something like: Tryhards vs teamplayers, and what happened?

The players with supposibly the best co-ordination and team oriented players got totally oblitterated, they barely made it out of the redline....

So what do you really want in a team?

Slayers and logislayer hybrids... (And pilots and AV aswell.)


We can do it here too, lets set up two temporary teams, one with high KDR egotistical tryhard slayers and one with the more team oriented low KDR players. I can sort of guess the outcome...

My point exactly.

I play for KDR (i know, killing people in a FPS, how dreadful) and to win. Logi's play for useless actions that generate WP and give them the illusion of being worth something.

This is just getting silly....

KDR is a STAT - to get a more or less accurate idea of the players skill.

AUR and ISK is ingame money. How the hell is it possible to put those two up against each other? The oone being a stat and the other being a resource? KDR being the most important stat, isk/aur being the second most important resource after skillpoints.

You must be trolling right? You can't be that, well I guess the correct term is stupid.


- If you struggle with your income/cost ratio and isk is in short supply, well, you're not a good player for starters. And also, having a good KDR goes a long way for keeping the suit loss at a minimum.

And I think I covered the situationak aspect of the KDR stat pretty well. Out of curiosity, what is your KDR? In my experience most players that say it doesn't matter don't tend to have a good one...

You stay on rooftops with a FG and you call other players stupid and selfish?

You do Realise that you could sit in the redline as a sniper and go 1-0 for 30 games and have a KD/R of 30 and then leave it on passive SP gain right ?

KD/R is a pretty useless stat when you don't take part in balanced games, you can whinge and whine and say this or that but you can never escape the fact that your KD/R could be based on you running a proto in every game with a squad of 5 other people in proto gear going up v brand new players in their 1st game out of the academy

I absolutely destroy my 2year old nephew when we play basketball, he has never scored a point against me .. does that mean I'm the greatest basketball player ever ?? Using your logic it does .. YAY MEEEE :P

I get 50 kills in a match and destroy tanks/enemy installations throughout the match, so yes. I believe I have the right to call people stupid and selfish. Besides, my FG is one of my three primary fits. I have 22m SP so I'm by no means a dedicated FG.

I spawn with a Logi fit, drop proto uplinks and nanohives everywhere for the team. Switch to my Assault fit if it's necessary, otherwise I play FG to help the team with vehicles/suppression. What is it exactly you expect a forge gunner to do? Be some frontline warrior? I specced into it so I could have a dedicated AV fit, and it so happens that altitude is necessary for a FG to be effective.

People who suck with kB/m that are incapable of aiming while strafing ridiculously quick.

This- a 1000 times this....

and +1

Do not needle me in the middle of an active firefight. Dying happens, dying twice to a single mistake does not need to happen. You are messing with my KDR. Just because you've decided to have a horrible KDR for eternity and be bad doesn't mean the rest of us have to. Your assistance is neither wanted, nor appreciated.


Thank you for your time.

Until bluberries stop doing this list, I'll farm the sht out of people with my needle.

Stealing or waiting to steal my fking vehicle.

Doing fk all.

Running around solo deluded thinking it helps on any significant level.

Going 0/10, REALLY? You are only useful for being farmed.

Being so oblivious to anything its like they want to be fking told what to do.

Redline snipers, enough said,

Assaults using needles that run in the heat of battle to pick someone up, double farming right there.

Heavies using either a shotgun or mass driver.

People who suck with kB/m that are incapable of aiming while strafing ridiculously quick.

Anyone in a commando suit.

Anyone that's a member of goonfeet.

And lastly anyone called himiko, nah I'm kidding on that one Lol.

As for Logis with less than 2.00 kd, they are either newbs or just sht players riding the pure support train to hide it, rather than just quit they are able to continue being inadequate via support only logi.

Do not needle me in the middle of an active firefight. Dying happens, dying twice to a single mistake does not need to happen. You are messing with my KDR. Just because you've decided to have a horrible KDR for eternity and be bad doesn't mean the rest of us have to. Your assistance is neither wanted, nor appreciated.


Thank you for your time.

Alright, next time you die in proto, run outta ammo, about to die, or you lose an objective/cru I'll make sure to focus on getting kills instead of healing you, repping you or dropping hives/uplinks, because apparently KD is way more important than being useful

Do not needle me in the middle of an active firefight. Dying happens, dying twice to a single mistake does not need to happen. You are messing with my KDR. Just because you've decided to have a horrible KDR for eternity and be bad doesn't mean the rest of us have to. Your assistance is neither wanted, nor appreciated.


Thank you for your time.

No, I'll keep doing in because I love the free 60WP

People who suck with kB/m that are incapable of aiming while strafing ridiculously quick.

This- a 1000 times this....

and +1

I am a logi you dimwit, and I always run in a squad, I don't need your sprinkles

Hold on.... i thought the mouse makes you an instant FPS god, isn't true ? Well, that is disappointing.

In a different note; How a thread about Logis ended up been a thread about KB/M ?

Then your not a very good one. Stop complaining that logis doing actual logi things instead of ground pounding are rewarded.

Well you got me there.

I suppose its the rising hatred I feel towards the FGs. I had a string of games yesterday with 2-3 FG deaths and almost no other deaths, every single game. It gets frustrating to fight "in the trenches", killing people left and right, barely making it to cover alive, and then getting blown away by somone I can't reach or even see for that matter, taking my 700+ HP away in a single shot, chilling 500 meters away up on some rooftop. Its calleed a "cheap death".

I keep putting a 200K logi suit with all proto equipment to "help out the team" and I have it fitted with the best weapons which means that I have to play well against other infantry to be effective and not least keeping myself alive. The forge guns are in its current state way too effective vs infantry, especially for being the definate best and being 1 of 2 dedicated AV weapons in the game.

Constantly having people up high, will with their uplinks in place often make half or more of a team camp in that high position, it just leads to lots and lots of boring games. You can stay away, or leave battle, fighting back is as far as I know impossible. The Dust maps are full of these camping positions all over, IMO the maps cater too much to the static camping sort of players and its very hard to get close since we ofthen have to cross wide open areas with no cover to get there.

im a good useless logis wit 6.10 kd

I totally agree with you on almost every point. I made a thread a while back claiming FGs were broken, showing two Dominations I had back to back where I went 60-0. People called me out on a number of things but in the end I was just trying to show how easy it is to completely massacre people with a FG. I used to be in the same boat as you man. About ~18m of my SP is spent in ground level infantry.

FGs are simply too effective at anti-infantry in their current state. This is partially due to map design and partially due to how ridiculous splash damage is. I use a FG pretty regularly and even I will happily agree that it's too powerful against infantry. It's got a 3m splash radius that does ~380 base splash damage (that's my FG with 2x damage mods and Prof. 5). The splash radius should be reduced to half that to make almost-direct shots critical to doing damage instead of nearly-direct. Right now as long as I land a shot in your general vicinity you're guaranteed to have half your health stolen away. And it's only a 2.1s charge for the second one to blow you away.

I agree it's unfair but if people aren't taking advantage of it CCP will never nerf it. 1.7 is supposedly going to take a look at AV so we will see if they will adjust the FG by then.

Do not needle me in the middle of an active firefight. Dying happens, dying twice to a single mistake does not need to happen. You are messing with my KDR. Just because you've decided to have a horrible KDR for eternity and be bad doesn't mean the rest of us have to. Your assistance is neither wanted, nor appreciated.


Thank you for your time.

Do not needle me in the middle of an active firefight. Dying happens, dying twice to a single mistake does not need to happen. You are messing with my KDR. Just because you've decided to have a horrible KDR for eternity and be bad doesn't mean the rest of us have to. Your assistance is neither wanted, nor appreciated.


Thank you for your time.

My point exactly.

I play for KDR (i know, killing people in a FPS, how dreadful) and to win. Logi's play for useless actions that generate WP and give them the illusion of being worth something.

Your point is valid.

Your reasoning (personal K/DR) is severely flawed. Get over yourself.

All Logis should have acute situational awareness. For their own benefit and that of their patients. Proper assessment is a key step in effective triage. Clear then heal. For the betterment of the team and its overall effectiveness. Certainly not for the reason the OP states.

My point exactly.

I play for KDR (i know, killing people in a FPS, how dreadful) and to win. Logi's play for useless actions that generate WP and give them the illusion of being worth something.

I play for KDR (i know, killing people in a FPS, how dreadful) and to win. Logi's play for useless actions that generate WP and give them the illusion of being worth something.

Do not needle me in the middle of an active firefight. Dying happens, dying twice to a single mistake does not need to happen. You are messing with my KDR. Just because you've decided to have a horrible KDR for eternity and be bad doesn't mean the rest of us have to. Your assistance is neither wanted, nor appreciated.


Thank you for your time.

You have no idea hahaha, I go 22/2 being a medic easy, you will get good one day don't worry.

Do not needle me in the middle of an active firefight. Dying happens, dying twice to a single mistake does not need to happen. You are messing with my KDR. Just because you've decided to have a horrible KDR for eternity and be bad doesn't mean the rest of us have to. Your assistance is neither wanted, nor appreciated.


Thank you for your time.

You are messing with my KDR

Do not needle me in the middle of an active firefight. Dying happens, dying twice to a single mistake does not need to happen. You are messing with my KDR. Just because you've decided to have a horrible KDR for eternity and be bad doesn't mean the rest of us have to. Your assistance is neither wanted, nor appreciated.


Thank you for your time.

Anyone in a commando suit.

Anyone that's a member of goonfeet.

Do not needle me in the middle of an active firefight. Dying happens, dying twice to a single mistake does not need to happen. You are messing with my KDR. Just because you've decided to have a horrible KDR for eternity and be bad doesn't mean the rest of us have to. Your assistance is neither wanted, nor appreciated.


Thank you for your time.

so what you're saying is I should use the crappest nanite injectors and stay as close to you as possible
just to annoy you >:)

Dear terrible forum poster. dying twice to a single mistake WILL happen!

Just because you've decided to not want a horrible KDR, doesn't mean we won't help you achieve that ;)

Silly things

CCP needs to give us an option for being revivable (i know, it's not a real word). We can turn it off for Pubs and on for PCs.

Zdub, they just don't get honestly, you will just get trolled by trash talking newblets.

Do not needle me in the middle of an active firefight. Dying happens, dying twice to a single mistake does not need to happen. You are messing with my KDR. Just because you've decided to have a horrible KDR for eternity and be bad doesn't mean the rest of us have to. Your assistance is neither wanted, nor appreciated.


Thank you for your time.

I don't quite understand what all this rage is for...

this is an FPS, there is no more important stat than KDR...

No seriously... there is nothing more important that KDR... how many enemy clones did you kill vs how many did you lose for your side. This is a game where you shoot people... and whomever shoots more people without getting shot is the most skilled player.

Isk lost/isk destroyed? meaningless... isk is essentially meaningless as well.

If someone goes 1/10 in MLT with a isk L/D ratio of 5 vs a guy going 30/1 in PRO with a isk L/D ratio of 1... the guy in proto did WAAAAY better, and was by far the more skilled and contributing player.

Seriously guys, name one that is more important that KDR in a game where the sole objective is killing other people.

Win/Loss ratio is irrelevant as well, there is no point or reward for winning, nor is your W/L ratio determined by anything other than matchmaking luck unless you grab a full squad of protos to 'tryhard' for the win.

In the words of the undisputedly #1 dust player, regnyum:

"KDR > EVERYTHING"

Bahaha.
All this discussion and caring-about of KD/R in our pseudo-MMO system is ******* hilarious. It's laughably easy to pad your K/D in this game, all you need is a tanked out proto logi and a Duvolle Assault Rifle. The TTK difference between a tanked-out STD suit with a STD AR vs a tanked-out PRO suit and PRO AR is more than 2x. If you're even mildly competent, it's easy to have a KD of 5+ when you can enter any random pub match and find that the vast majority of the enemy team is incredibly weak in comparison to your gear. I can't count the number of times I've been playing my ALogi and come up on two militia suits, and just tanked them both and killed them easily.
K/D is meaningless when gear power difference exists. It's not representative of skill, at this point it's just representative of SP and how often you roll in a squad with other high-SP players.
If you like playing for K/D, go back to COD, where K/D actually means something about your skill.

No my boy. FUN is greater than all other concerns.

Worrying about my KD isn't why I play the game. I play to have fun.

Ruining the KDR of people who actually give a **** happens to be one of the many things I find fun.

take that as you will.

*ahem*

that post is meaningless... it really just sounds like an excuse from someone who can't maintain a good KDR.
I've said it 100 times... proto gear is only gear. If you arent wearing proto gear in dust then you're just fodder.

If you aren't wearing proto gear you're just fodder?
**** that, it takes a solid 6 months to get full proto gear if you're not lining CCP's pockets. No wonder new players aren't sticking around.
Do you not see how KD/R becomes meaningless with gear imbalance? That ratio means nothing if you're not fighting on an even playing field.

I don't quite understand what all this rage is for...

this is an FPS, there is no more important stat than KDR...

No seriously... there is nothing more important that KDR... how many enemy clones did you kill vs how many did you lose for your side. This is a game where you shoot people... and whomever shoots more people without getting shot is the most skilled player.

Isk lost/isk destroyed? meaningless... isk is essentially meaningless as well.

If someone goes 1/10 in MLT with a isk L/D ratio of 5 vs a guy going 30/1 in PRO with a isk L/D ratio of 1... the guy in proto did WAAAAY better, and was by far the more skilled and contributing player.

Seriously guys, name one that is more important that KDR in a game where the sole objective is killing other people.

Win/Loss ratio is irrelevant as well, there is no point or reward for winning, nor is your W/L ratio determined by anything other than matchmaking luck unless you grab a full squad of protos to 'tryhard' for the win.

In the words of the undisputedly #1 dust player, regnyum:

"KDR > EVERYTHING"

Yeah... if you didn't start in open beta you are pretty much doomed to be a terrible player forever... your KDR probably won't ever recover unless you are amazing at FPS games and as such you will always be a second rate merc until you can stomp on enough noobs to bring your KDR over the minimum 3.0 to be considered relevant. Its the inherent flaw to this game, and probably why new player retention is so low.

Spoken like a true goon.

For players who can maintain a good KDR, KDR = FUN.

Killing = fun, dying = not fun and the ratio of killing to dying is = ratio of fun to not fun. Could call it the F/U ratio... Fun/Unfun ratio.

I played a match with some friends where we tryed to win without killing anyone in skirmish, we won, and the other people on our team only got 23 kills together, all 6 of us were at the top of the leaderboard. KD is only important if your a heavy or if your the slayer of your team. Otherwise w/l is the most important. I accually think KD should be removed so instead of people padding there KD they go for the win or try to save isk, this isn't cod.

Now the truth comes out.
"Players who can maintain a good KDR" = beta veterans with 12mil+ SP, in well-established corps who can field 6-proto squads in public matches.
You're a huge part of what's killing Dust- veterans who gleefully protostomp newbies into oblivion just to pad their KDRs. Yes, I know, it's fun to tool on MLT kids, but it's the #1 thing killing this game. Every new player who joins is even more behind than the ones who joined last week. Yes, New Eden, HTFU, etc, but for a FPS it has just gone too far, to the point where it's damaging the game's player base.
Either changes need to be made to tier balance or gear restrictions have to become an option in pub matches. That, or we watch this game slowly dwindle into nothingness because some entitled veterans need a 2x MLT HP buffer to feel good about their KDR.

If you mess with peoples KDR in EoN then they can't be in the '1337' squads anymore and are shunned. Some of the alliance mails are funny to read.

No class is superior to the other? Wow. Get out of competitive gaming. Now.

I don't quite understand what all this rage is for...

this is an FPS, there is no more important stat than KDR...

No seriously... there is nothing more important that KDR... how many enemy clones did you kill vs how many did you lose for your side. This is a game where you shoot people... and whomever shoots more people without getting shot is the most skilled player.

Isk lost/isk destroyed? meaningless... isk is essentially meaningless as well.

If someone goes 1/10 in MLT with a isk L/D ratio of 5 vs a guy going 30/1 in PRO with a isk L/D ratio of 1... the guy in proto did WAAAAY better, and was by far the more skilled and contributing player.

Seriously guys, name one that is more important that KDR in a game where the sole objective is killing other people.

Win/Loss ratio is irrelevant as well, there is no point or reward for winning, nor is your W/L ratio determined by anything other than matchmaking luck unless you grab a full squad of protos to 'tryhard' for the win.

In the words of the undisputedly #1 dust player, regnyum:

"KDR > EVERYTHING"

I don't quite understand what all this rage is for...

this is an FPS, there is no more important stat than KDR...

No seriously... there is nothing more important that KDR... how many enemy clones did you kill vs how many did you lose for your side. This is a game where you shoot people... and whomever shoots more people without getting shot is the most skilled player.

Isk lost/isk destroyed? meaningless... isk is essentially meaningless as well.

If someone goes 1/10 in MLT with a isk L/D ratio of 5 vs a guy going 30/1 in PRO with a isk L/D ratio of 1... the guy in proto did WAAAAY better, and was by far the more skilled and contributing player.

Seriously guys, name one that is more important that KDR in a game where the sole objective is killing other people.

Win/Loss ratio is irrelevant as well, there is no point or reward for winning, nor is your W/L ratio determined by anything other than matchmaking luck unless you grab a full squad of protos to 'tryhard' for the win.

In the words of the undisputedly #1 dust player, regnyum:

"KDR > EVERYTHING"

Despite what some may like to believe, KDR is actually extremely important.

Pretty sure all the top players with high KDR aren't scrubs. They have a good KDR because they are in fact, good players. In skirmish they can kill the opponents on/near the objective to clear it out which = win for the team.

Good slayers = best players and the key to victory in any gamemode.

Now KDR as a stat can lie, somebody can have good KDR but aren't really that good as a slayer. I mean heck, I have a 5.43 KDR yet I only obtained it because I am generally pretty careful in the game and try to die as little as I can. My goal is survival. However some of the true KDR beasts in this game can get into the heat of the battle and slay left and right, and they are the ones that win matches cause they are literally damn good players who can slay and survive at an alarming efficiency.

I thught that was Aldin?

Oh maybe I dunno... they are both incredible players and a blast to play with. I wasn't really being all that serious with the post, It just inherently has a lot of logic to it due to the Lobby FPS nature of the game.

In my personal opinion WP/Death and WP/min will be much much more valid stats than KDR. WP/Death is easy to track, WP/min is impossible afaik. They just need a well balanced and fully flushed out WP system before these stats can become meaningful.

stop dieing then and no one can needle you and it doesn't mess with your kdr

Oh maybe I dunno... they are both incredible players and a blast to play with. I wasn't really being all that serious with the post, It just inherently has a lot of logic to it due to the Lobby FPS nature of the game.

In my personal opinion WP/Death and WP/min will be much much more valid stats than KDR. WP/Death is easy to track, WP/min is impossible afaik. They just need a well balanced and fully flushed out WP system before these stats can become meaningful.

My point exactly.

I play for KDR (i know, killing people in a FPS, how dreadful) and to win. Logi's play for useless actions that generate WP and give them the illusion of being worth something.

OOOHHHHKAYYY then I'll just take rep tools, nanite injectors, nanohives, scanners, remote explosives, and everything else off my fits just to keep your KDR from dropping 0.01

Can you remove yourself from my game as well?

That would go a long way.

It will actually probably go up at that point, as you'll be somewhat more obligated to actually engage the enemy instead of roleplaying with your rep tool in the corner.

I'm done with people who think support logis aren't important

Can you remove yourself from my game as well?

That would go a long way.

Oh so you run the game now? Yeah bro, I'll get my 2.06 KD out of YOUR game because you are SO good you run the place.

You are so right man. I should bow down to your almighty KD and suck you COD ****.


Arrogant, stuck up pricks are the reason why gamers have the stereotype that we do.

It's not a troll thread though.


100% dead serious. You guys are bad.

I will try harder. Why do you hate logis?

I play for KDR (i know, killing people in a FPS, how dreadful) and to win. Logi's play for useless actions that generate WP and give them the illusion of being worth something.

I play to win.

I don't know what game modes you play, but don't expect to win objective games without logi's.

He gave you a solid reason why slayers are superior and you scoffed at it and refused to debate further.

That's some pretty sad stuff.

I do it all the time.

Either by myself, or with a group of Slayers.

You're not as useful as you think you are.

Don't bother. These forums are filled with bad players that depend on farming WP in order to feel useful.

Himiko, you're so funny I actually like this thread you started.

All I see is people telling me how I should play this game, no thanks. My time so I'll play how I like.

Cheers

It's ok to feel completely inadequate guys.





Ah, the path of thorns. <3

So you admit they are inferior?

Good, this is progress.

So you admit they are inferior?

Good, this is progress.

Confirming I chase players with a repper when they are already topped off. Also confirming when I see a person shooting around the corner I put a repper on him/her. I tell myself I do it in case he/she gets into armor, but we all know why I do it... +35.

They're not inferior, kills accomplish nothing unless you're playing ambush.

edit: just got out of a FW match that "The third day" somehow managed to get two full squads into. They were mercilessly raped and cloned out by a bunch of randoms despite having excellent dropship support at the start of the match and good uplink coordination throughout.

Fundamentals > team work..

Amazing. When I say I won't post anymore, you magically respond. I point this out because if I didn't, your following response would've been "Why are you getting so mad? I thought you said you wouldn't respond."

No, genius, it's called sarcasm. I'm saying that that's what YOU apparently think the response does. Nice try, though. Keep those pointless, dry responses with no actual counter-points incoming. I adore them. Don't make a thread cr*pping all over other players' contributions if you aren't prepared to defend your position with more than a cap gun.

Truth be told, there are too many angry nerds in this thread attempting to validate their inferior playstyle. I never had any intention of responding to all of them. The replies I do put in are done mostly on a whim.

Why dont you sort it out with a battle?

16 assault tryhards

vs

16 logi/assaults/heavys and vehicles

It should be obvious. The assault tryhards will win.

Logi will die because they are being stupid with a rep gun or some other dumb ****. If they aren't hiding behind a heavy waiting for their imminent death they are probably off picking flowers or something equally useless.

Non-tryhard Assaults would stand a chance, but be outnumbered in terms of capability and eventually overwhelmed.

Heavies will be the easiest target on the field and unable to kill anything. They could team up with a logi, but even then would only be accomplishing the job of one assault before they are brought down.

Tanks will get AV grenaded to death if they move in, unless they are rail sniping and therefore accomplishing nothing.


The assault tryhards have an answer to basically every situation, sorry.