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KingBabar
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Posted - 2013.10.10 10:30:00 -
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I can do nothing but laugh of some of the more delusinal replies here...
"I'm a logi, not a great killer but I mostly end up on top or near to it in terms of WP", newsflash: Its so very very easy to get loads of WPs in Dust, toss some uplinks around, hack a little, rez a little and repair. These things take almost no skill at all, anyone can do it easily. Doing that while still having a 5+ KDR, that a lot of the "assaultlogi" hybrids (like me) out there does, do take some skill.
KDR is the most important stat, period.
That being said, the number isn't really that interresting. Like me, I have roughly a 5.3 KDR, if I wanted to, I could have gotten it up to perhaps 10 by not playing drunk, not going jihad into large groups of enemies, never using any form of LOL fits and just by generally playing in a more defensive manner, and not least; I could always camp on some pipe or rooftop....
On the other hand, if I didn't group up with good people half the times I play and with the same aggressive playstyle, I'd probably have a KDR of 3 or less....
So there is KDR and "legit" KDR, which makes it all way too complicated and with many details subject for debate. Lets just say that I see a lot of players that are a lot better than their stats say, and I see a lot of players with very nice stats that are totally useless out of their comfort zone.
This debate raged on the MAG forums for months, and the community finally decided to get it resolved once and for all. We splitt into two teams, something like: Tryhards vs teamplayers, and what happened?
The players with supposibly the best co-ordination and team oriented players got totally oblitterated, they barely made it out of the redline....
So what do you really want in a team?
Slayers and logislayer hybrids... (And pilots and AV aswell.)
We can do it here too, lets set up two temporary teams, one with high KDR egotistical tryhard slayers and one with the more team oriented low KDR players. I can sort of guess the outcome...
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KingBabar
The Rainbow Effect
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Posted - 2013.10.10 11:54:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:KingBabar wrote:
KDR is the most important stat, period.
hm... interesting because I cannot buy back my fittings or equipment with K/DR, can only do it with something called ISK and sometimes aurum... nope, no k/d.
if k/d was the most important stat, then I would be able to buy stuff with it.K/D doesn't even accurately portray "slayer" skill, you could have a k/d of 10.0 when going against nubs who barely made their character an hour ago, then you have a k/d of 3.0 going against people on your level of tier, gear and skill. KD doesn't mean hardly anything here. that argument has base in call of duty, halo and battlefield. not here.
This is just getting silly....
KDR is a STAT - to get a more or less accurate idea of the players skill.
AUR and ISK is ingame money. How the hell is it possible to put those two up against each other? The oone being a stat and the other being a resource? KDR being the most important stat, isk/aur being the second most important resource after skillpoints.
You must be trolling right? You can't be that, well I guess the correct term is stupid.
- If you struggle with your income/cost ratio and isk is in short supply, well, you're not a good player for starters. And also, having a good KDR goes a long way for keeping the suit loss at a minimum.
And I think I covered the situationak aspect of the KDR stat pretty well. Out of curiosity, what is your KDR? In my experience most players that say it doesn't matter don't tend to have a good one... |
KingBabar
The Rainbow Effect
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Posted - 2013.10.10 12:18:00 -
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Funkmaster Whale wrote:The amount of terrible players and sheer assholes in this game is appalling. For example: I've had a number of games where I set up uplinks on rooftops and put nanohives down, then if I die I'll switch to FG and proceed to blast people. What do some of these logiscrubs/blueberries do as soon as they spawn? They'll sit there and throw grenades non stop to destroy the nanohives, then jump down, die, spawn, die, spawn, die, rinse and repeat until uplink is gone.
Not only does no one drop equipment to help out, they'll purposely go out of their way to screw the rest of the team up by consuming nanohives/uplinks while not providing anything useful. It's mind boggling how selfish and utterly stupid people can be in this game. Then I'll get TEAMMATES sending me hatemails like "HAHA NO NANOHIVES FOR YOU!"
I can't do anything but laugh in those situations. I just turn off the game and play in the mornings when the kiddies are at school. I notice that the r-tards tend to come out in the evenings when I assume the CoD-kids are back from school and need their daily dose of douchebaggery.
You stay on rooftops with a FG and you call other players stupid and selfish? |
KingBabar
The Rainbow Effect
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Posted - 2013.10.10 13:00:00 -
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Rinzler XVII wrote:KingBabar wrote:Void Echo wrote:KingBabar wrote:
KDR is the most important stat, period.
hm... interesting because I cannot buy back my fittings or equipment with K/DR, can only do it with something called ISK and sometimes aurum... nope, no k/d.
if k/d was the most important stat, then I would be able to buy stuff with it.K/D doesn't even accurately portray "slayer" skill, you could have a k/d of 10.0 when going against nubs who barely made their character an hour ago, then you have a k/d of 3.0 going against people on your level of tier, gear and skill. KD doesn't mean hardly anything here. that argument has base in call of duty, halo and battlefield. not here. This is just getting silly.... KDR is a STAT - to get a more or less accurate idea of the players skill. AUR and ISK is ingame money. How the hell is it possible to put those two up against each other? The oone being a stat and the other being a resource? KDR being the most important stat, isk/aur being the second most important resource after skillpoints. You must be trolling right? You can't be that, well I guess the correct term is stupid. - If you struggle with your income/cost ratio and isk is in short supply, well, you're not a good player for starters. And also, having a good KDR goes a long way for keeping the suit loss at a minimum. And I think I covered the situationak aspect of the KDR stat pretty well. Out of curiosity, what is your KDR? In my experience most players that say it doesn't matter don't tend to have a good one... You do Realise that you could sit in the redline as a sniper and go 1-0 for 30 games and have a KD/R of 30 and then leave it on passive SP gain right ? KD/R is a pretty useless stat when you don't take part in balanced games, you can whinge and whine and say this or that but you can never escape the fact that your KD/R could be based on you running a proto in every game with a squad of 5 other people in proto gear going up v brand new players in their 1st game out of the academy I absolutely destroy my 2year old nephew when we play basketball, he has never scored a point against me .. does that mean I'm the greatest basketball player ever ?? Using your logic it does .. YAY MEEEE :P
I agree mostly. See my post on page 3, it covers it pretty well.
Its a valid meassure for the frontline soldiers that pushes objectives etc, (again, like me) its not a valid meassure for someone sitting at the redline with a sniper, where kills per minute would be a better stat if we had it.
And there's no "YAY MEEEE" here, I don't have the stats for it in this game... |
KingBabar
The Rainbow Effect
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Posted - 2013.10.10 13:17:00 -
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Funkmaster Whale wrote:KingBabar wrote:Funkmaster Whale wrote:The amount of terrible players and sheer assholes in this game is appalling. For example: I've had a number of games where I set up uplinks on rooftops and put nanohives down, then if I die I'll switch to FG and proceed to blast people. What do some of these logiscrubs/blueberries do as soon as they spawn? They'll sit there and throw grenades non stop to destroy the nanohives, then jump down, die, spawn, die, spawn, die, rinse and repeat until uplink is gone.
Not only does no one drop equipment to help out, they'll purposely go out of their way to screw the rest of the team up by consuming nanohives/uplinks while not providing anything useful. It's mind boggling how selfish and utterly stupid people can be in this game. Then I'll get TEAMMATES sending me hatemails like "HAHA NO NANOHIVES FOR YOU!"
I can't do anything but laugh in those situations. I just turn off the game and play in the mornings when the kiddies are at school. I notice that the r-tards tend to come out in the evenings when I assume the CoD-kids are back from school and need their daily dose of douchebaggery. You stay on rooftops with a FG and you call other players stupid and selfish? I get 50 kills in a match and destroy tanks/enemy installations throughout the match, so yes. I believe I have the right to call people stupid and selfish. Besides, my FG is one of my three primary fits. I have 22m SP so I'm by no means a dedicated FG. I spawn with a Logi fit, drop proto uplinks and nanohives everywhere for the team. Switch to my Assault fit if it's necessary, otherwise I play FG to help the team with vehicles/suppression. What is it exactly you expect a forge gunner to do? Be some frontline warrior? I specced into it so I could have a dedicated AV fit, and it so happens that altitude is necessary for a FG to be effective.
Well you got me there.
I suppose its the rising hatred I feel towards the FGs. I had a string of games yesterday with 2-3 FG deaths and almost no other deaths, every single game. It gets frustrating to fight "in the trenches", killing people left and right, barely making it to cover alive, and then getting blown away by somone I can't reach or even see for that matter, taking my 700+ HP away in a single shot, chilling 500 meters away up on some rooftop. Its calleed a "cheap death".
I keep putting a 200K logi suit with all proto equipment to "help out the team" and I have it fitted with the best weapons which means that I have to play well against other infantry to be effective and not least keeping myself alive. The forge guns are in its current state way too effective vs infantry, especially for being the definate best and being 1 of 2 dedicated AV weapons in the game.
Constantly having people up high, will with their uplinks in place often make half or more of a team camp in that high position, it just leads to lots and lots of boring games. You can stay away, or leave battle, fighting back is as far as I know impossible. The Dust maps are full of these camping positions all over, IMO the maps cater too much to the static camping sort of players and its very hard to get close since we ofthen have to cross wide open areas with no cover to get there.
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KingBabar
The Rainbow Effect
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Posted - 2013.10.10 13:32:00 -
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People who suck with kB/m that are incapable of aiming while strafing ridiculously quick.
This- a 1000 times this....
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KingBabar
The Rainbow Effect
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Posted - 2013.10.10 21:25:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:I don't quite understand what all this rage is for...
this is an FPS, there is no more important stat than KDR...
No seriously... there is nothing more important that KDR... how many enemy clones did you kill vs how many did you lose for your side. This is a game where you shoot people... and whomever shoots more people without getting shot is the most skilled player.
Isk lost/isk destroyed? meaningless... isk is essentially meaningless as well.
If someone goes 1/10 in MLT with a isk L/D ratio of 5 vs a guy going 30/1 in PRO with a isk L/D ratio of 1... the guy in proto did WAAAAY better, and was by far the more skilled and contributing player.
Seriously guys, name one that is more important that KDR in a game where the sole objective is killing other people.
Win/Loss ratio is irrelevant as well, there is no point or reward for winning, nor is your W/L ratio determined by anything other than matchmaking luck unless you grab a full squad of protos to 'tryhard' for the win.
In the words of the undisputedly #1 dust player, regnyum:
"KDR > EVERYTHING"
I thught that was Aldin? |
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