so what you're saying is I should use the crappest nanite injectors and stay as close to you as possible
just to annoy you >:)

Dear terrible forum poster. dying twice to a single mistake WILL happen!

Just because you've decided to not want a horrible KDR, doesn't mean we won't help you achieve that ;)

Silly things

CCP needs to give us an option for being revivable (i know, it's not a real word). We can turn it off for Pubs and on for PCs.

Zdub, they just don't get honestly, you will just get trolled by trash talking newblets.

Do not needle me in the middle of an active firefight. Dying happens, dying twice to a single mistake does not need to happen. You are messing with my KDR. Just because you've decided to have a horrible KDR for eternity and be bad doesn't mean the rest of us have to. Your assistance is neither wanted, nor appreciated.


Thank you for your time.

I don't quite understand what all this rage is for...

this is an FPS, there is no more important stat than KDR...

No seriously... there is nothing more important that KDR... how many enemy clones did you kill vs how many did you lose for your side. This is a game where you shoot people... and whomever shoots more people without getting shot is the most skilled player.

Isk lost/isk destroyed? meaningless... isk is essentially meaningless as well.

If someone goes 1/10 in MLT with a isk L/D ratio of 5 vs a guy going 30/1 in PRO with a isk L/D ratio of 1... the guy in proto did WAAAAY better, and was by far the more skilled and contributing player.

Seriously guys, name one that is more important that KDR in a game where the sole objective is killing other people.

Win/Loss ratio is irrelevant as well, there is no point or reward for winning, nor is your W/L ratio determined by anything other than matchmaking luck unless you grab a full squad of protos to 'tryhard' for the win.

In the words of the undisputedly #1 dust player, regnyum:

"KDR > EVERYTHING"

Bahaha.
All this discussion and caring-about of KD/R in our pseudo-MMO system is ******* hilarious. It's laughably easy to pad your K/D in this game, all you need is a tanked out proto logi and a Duvolle Assault Rifle. The TTK difference between a tanked-out STD suit with a STD AR vs a tanked-out PRO suit and PRO AR is more than 2x. If you're even mildly competent, it's easy to have a KD of 5+ when you can enter any random pub match and find that the vast majority of the enemy team is incredibly weak in comparison to your gear. I can't count the number of times I've been playing my ALogi and come up on two militia suits, and just tanked them both and killed them easily.
K/D is meaningless when gear power difference exists. It's not representative of skill, at this point it's just representative of SP and how often you roll in a squad with other high-SP players.
If you like playing for K/D, go back to COD, where K/D actually means something about your skill.

No my boy. FUN is greater than all other concerns.

Worrying about my KD isn't why I play the game. I play to have fun.

Ruining the KDR of people who actually give a **** happens to be one of the many things I find fun.

take that as you will.

*ahem*

that post is meaningless... it really just sounds like an excuse from someone who can't maintain a good KDR.
I've said it 100 times... proto gear is only gear. If you arent wearing proto gear in dust then you're just fodder.

If you aren't wearing proto gear you're just fodder?
**** that, it takes a solid 6 months to get full proto gear if you're not lining CCP's pockets. No wonder new players aren't sticking around.
Do you not see how KD/R becomes meaningless with gear imbalance? That ratio means nothing if you're not fighting on an even playing field.

I don't quite understand what all this rage is for...

this is an FPS, there is no more important stat than KDR...

No seriously... there is nothing more important that KDR... how many enemy clones did you kill vs how many did you lose for your side. This is a game where you shoot people... and whomever shoots more people without getting shot is the most skilled player.

Isk lost/isk destroyed? meaningless... isk is essentially meaningless as well.

If someone goes 1/10 in MLT with a isk L/D ratio of 5 vs a guy going 30/1 in PRO with a isk L/D ratio of 1... the guy in proto did WAAAAY better, and was by far the more skilled and contributing player.

Seriously guys, name one that is more important that KDR in a game where the sole objective is killing other people.

Win/Loss ratio is irrelevant as well, there is no point or reward for winning, nor is your W/L ratio determined by anything other than matchmaking luck unless you grab a full squad of protos to 'tryhard' for the win.

In the words of the undisputedly #1 dust player, regnyum:

"KDR > EVERYTHING"

Yeah... if you didn't start in open beta you are pretty much doomed to be a terrible player forever... your KDR probably won't ever recover unless you are amazing at FPS games and as such you will always be a second rate merc until you can stomp on enough noobs to bring your KDR over the minimum 3.0 to be considered relevant. Its the inherent flaw to this game, and probably why new player retention is so low.

Spoken like a true goon.

For players who can maintain a good KDR, KDR = FUN.

Killing = fun, dying = not fun and the ratio of killing to dying is = ratio of fun to not fun. Could call it the F/U ratio... Fun/Unfun ratio.

I played a match with some friends where we tryed to win without killing anyone in skirmish, we won, and the other people on our team only got 23 kills together, all 6 of us were at the top of the leaderboard. KD is only important if your a heavy or if your the slayer of your team. Otherwise w/l is the most important. I accually think KD should be removed so instead of people padding there KD they go for the win or try to save isk, this isn't cod.

Now the truth comes out.
"Players who can maintain a good KDR" = beta veterans with 12mil+ SP, in well-established corps who can field 6-proto squads in public matches.
You're a huge part of what's killing Dust- veterans who gleefully protostomp newbies into oblivion just to pad their KDRs. Yes, I know, it's fun to tool on MLT kids, but it's the #1 thing killing this game. Every new player who joins is even more behind than the ones who joined last week. Yes, New Eden, HTFU, etc, but for a FPS it has just gone too far, to the point where it's damaging the game's player base.
Either changes need to be made to tier balance or gear restrictions have to become an option in pub matches. That, or we watch this game slowly dwindle into nothingness because some entitled veterans need a 2x MLT HP buffer to feel good about their KDR.

If you mess with peoples KDR in EoN then they can't be in the '1337' squads anymore and are shunned. Some of the alliance mails are funny to read.

No class is superior to the other? Wow. Get out of competitive gaming. Now.

I don't quite understand what all this rage is for...

this is an FPS, there is no more important stat than KDR...

No seriously... there is nothing more important that KDR... how many enemy clones did you kill vs how many did you lose for your side. This is a game where you shoot people... and whomever shoots more people without getting shot is the most skilled player.

Isk lost/isk destroyed? meaningless... isk is essentially meaningless as well.

If someone goes 1/10 in MLT with a isk L/D ratio of 5 vs a guy going 30/1 in PRO with a isk L/D ratio of 1... the guy in proto did WAAAAY better, and was by far the more skilled and contributing player.

Seriously guys, name one that is more important that KDR in a game where the sole objective is killing other people.

Win/Loss ratio is irrelevant as well, there is no point or reward for winning, nor is your W/L ratio determined by anything other than matchmaking luck unless you grab a full squad of protos to 'tryhard' for the win.

In the words of the undisputedly #1 dust player, regnyum:

"KDR > EVERYTHING"

I don't quite understand what all this rage is for...

this is an FPS, there is no more important stat than KDR...

No seriously... there is nothing more important that KDR... how many enemy clones did you kill vs how many did you lose for your side. This is a game where you shoot people... and whomever shoots more people without getting shot is the most skilled player.

Isk lost/isk destroyed? meaningless... isk is essentially meaningless as well.

If someone goes 1/10 in MLT with a isk L/D ratio of 5 vs a guy going 30/1 in PRO with a isk L/D ratio of 1... the guy in proto did WAAAAY better, and was by far the more skilled and contributing player.

Seriously guys, name one that is more important that KDR in a game where the sole objective is killing other people.

Win/Loss ratio is irrelevant as well, there is no point or reward for winning, nor is your W/L ratio determined by anything other than matchmaking luck unless you grab a full squad of protos to 'tryhard' for the win.

In the words of the undisputedly #1 dust player, regnyum:

"KDR > EVERYTHING"

Despite what some may like to believe, KDR is actually extremely important.

Pretty sure all the top players with high KDR aren't scrubs. They have a good KDR because they are in fact, good players. In skirmish they can kill the opponents on/near the objective to clear it out which = win for the team.

Good slayers = best players and the key to victory in any gamemode.

Now KDR as a stat can lie, somebody can have good KDR but aren't really that good as a slayer. I mean heck, I have a 5.43 KDR yet I only obtained it because I am generally pretty careful in the game and try to die as little as I can. My goal is survival. However some of the true KDR beasts in this game can get into the heat of the battle and slay left and right, and they are the ones that win matches cause they are literally damn good players who can slay and survive at an alarming efficiency.

I thught that was Aldin?

Oh maybe I dunno... they are both incredible players and a blast to play with. I wasn't really being all that serious with the post, It just inherently has a lot of logic to it due to the Lobby FPS nature of the game.

In my personal opinion WP/Death and WP/min will be much much more valid stats than KDR. WP/Death is easy to track, WP/min is impossible afaik. They just need a well balanced and fully flushed out WP system before these stats can become meaningful.