DUST Search - Dear terrible Logibros

Himiko Kuronaga wrote:

Takahiro Kashuken wrote:

Himiko Kuronaga wrote:

Takahiro Kashuken wrote:

Why dont you sort it out with a battle?

16 assault tryhards

vs

16 logi/assaults/heavys and vehicles

It should be obvious. The assault tryhards will win.

Logi will die because they are being stupid with a rep gun or some other dumb ****. If they aren't hiding behind a heavy waiting for their imminent death they are probably off picking flowers or something equally useless.

Non-tryhard Assaults would stand a chance, but be outnumbered in terms of capability and eventually overwhelmed.

Heavies will be the easiest target on the field and unable to kill anything. They could team up with a logi, but even then would only be accomplishing the job of one assault before they are brought down.

Tanks will get AV grenaded to death if they move in, unless they are rail sniping and therefore accomplishing nothing.

The assault tryhards have an answer to basically every situation, sorry.

If its obvious then get the team together and have at it in a best of 3 on planet fight club or wherever

I have no need or desire to do so.

You are the only one who wants this to happen.

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J Falcs Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 156	Posted - 2013.10.12 03:04:00 - [181] - Quote Confirming I chase players with a repper when they are already topped off. Also confirming when I see a person shooting around the corner I put a repper on him/her. I tell myself I do it in case he/she gets into armor, but we all know why I do it... +35.
Sarcastic Dreamkiller I Play Solo 34	Posted - 2013.10.12 03:11:00 - [182] - Quote J Falcs wrote: Confirming I chase players with a repper when they are already topped off. Also confirming when I see a person shooting around the corner I put a repper on him/her. I tell myself I do it in case he/she gets into armor, but we all know why I do it... +35. your work and effort is much appreciated anyways since it still accomplishes something, unlike OP's ignorance and meaningless KDR that none of us care about.
Himiko Kuronaga SyNergy Gaming EoN. 1824	Posted - 2013.10.12 03:16:00 - [183] - Quote Sarcastic Dreamkiller wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: So you admit they are inferior? Good, this is progress. They're not inferior, kills accomplish nothing unless you're playing ambush. If you were capable of actually killing anybody, you would know that killing (while staying alive) disrupts whatever the enemy was trying to accomplish and gives yourself a window to do what you want to do. It also messes with enemy morale, which makes them play worse. KD/R is a reflection of how well you accomplish this. It can be padded like any stat can, but it is far more accurate than any other stat at how well you're actually doing something.
Borne Velvalor BLACK-DRAGON-SOCIETY 41	Posted - 2013.10.12 03:20:00 - [184] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: edit: just got out of a FW match that "The third day" somehow managed to get two full squads into. They were mercilessly raped and cloned out by a bunch of randoms despite having excellent dropship support at the start of the match and good uplink coordination throughout. Fundamentals > team work.. Look, more anecdotal evidence! I love this guy. A team with good teamwork loses to a team with worse team work. Therefore, teamwork has no impact? I'm sorry. I was not aware that anyone here said that teamwork alone instantly invalidated skill, equipment and luck. Anecdotal evidence + flawed logic = the ability to "prove" anything. Next up: "i just got out of a match with "Zumba Fitness". a team of 12 guys in starter fits completely destroyed a team of 12 guys in protogear. Therefore, protogear is completely and utterly useless, since... starter fits > protogear..........."
Himiko Kuronaga SyNergy Gaming EoN. 1824	Posted - 2013.10.12 03:24:00 - [185] - Quote Borne Velvalor wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: So you admit they are inferior? Good, this is progress. Amazing. When I say I won't post anymore, you magically respond. I point this out because if I didn't, your following response would've been "Why are you getting so mad? I thought you said you wouldn't respond." No, genius, it's called sarcasm. I'm saying that that's what YOU apparently think the response does. Nice try, though. Keep those pointless, dry responses with no actual counter-points incoming. I adore them. Don't make a thread cr*pping all over other players' contributions if you aren't prepared to defend your position with more than a cap gun. Truth be told, there are too many angry nerds in this thread attempting to validate their inferior playstyle. I never had any intention of responding to all of them. The replies I do put in are done mostly on a whim.
Borne Velvalor BLACK-DRAGON-SOCIETY 41	Posted - 2013.10.12 03:29:00 - [186] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Borne Velvalor wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: So you admit they are inferior? Good, this is progress. Amazing. When I say I won't post anymore, you magically respond. I point this out because if I didn't, your following response would've been "Why are you getting so mad? I thought you said you wouldn't respond." No, genius, it's called sarcasm. I'm saying that that's what YOU apparently think the response does. Nice try, though. Keep those pointless, dry responses with no actual counter-points incoming. I adore them. Don't make a thread crpping all over other players' contributions if you aren't prepared to defend your position with more than a cap gun. Truth be told, there are too many angry nerds in this thread attempting to validate their inferior* playstyle. I never had any intention of responding to all of them. The replies I do put in are done mostly on a whim. The atmosphere would be much less hostile if you yourself seemed less hostile. Your original posts sound condescending, people respond in a somewhat hostile manner, you start calling them inferior without directly responding to their points and the whole thing blows up. If you made more of an effort to sound open minded and left more positive feedback instead of "You're wrong. Drink more kool-aid," (as funny as that is) the "nerds" would get less angry. All kidding aside, this thread is kind of fun to rant in.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1332	Posted - 2013.10.12 11:46:00 - [187] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Why dont you sort it out with a battle? 16 assault tryhards vs 16 logi/assaults/heavys and vehicles
Himiko Kuronaga SyNergy Gaming EoN. 1827	Posted - 2013.10.12 13:03:00 - [188] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Why dont you sort it out with a battle? 16 assault tryhards vs 16 logi/assaults/heavys and vehicles It should be obvious. The assault tryhards will win. Logi will die because they are being stupid with a rep gun or some other dumb ****. non-tryhard Assaults would stand a chance, but be outnumbered in terms of capability and eventually overwhelmed. Heavies will be the easiest target on the field and unable to kill anything. They could team up with a logi, but even then would only be accomplishing the job of one assault before they are brought down. Tanks will get AV grenaded to death if they move in, unless they are rail sniping and therefore accomplishing nothing. The assault tryhards have an answer to basically every situation, sorry.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1333	Posted - 2013.10.12 13:32:00 - [189] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Why dont you sort it out with a battle? 16 assault tryhards vs 16 logi/assaults/heavys and vehicles It should be obvious. The assault tryhards will win. Logi will die because they are being stupid with a rep gun or some other dumb ****. If they aren't hiding behind a heavy waiting for their imminent death they are probably off picking flowers or something equally useless. Non-tryhard Assaults would stand a chance, but be outnumbered in terms of capability and eventually overwhelmed. Heavies will be the easiest target on the field and unable to kill anything. They could team up with a logi, but even then would only be accomplishing the job of one assault before they are brought down. Tanks will get AV grenaded to death if they move in, unless they are rail sniping and therefore accomplishing nothing. The assault tryhards have an answer to basically every situation, sorry. If its obvious then get the team together and have at it in a best of 3 on planet fight club or wherever
Dust Junky 4Life Intara Direct Action Caldari State 32	Posted - 2013.10.12 13:49:00 - [190] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Do not needle me in the middle of an active firefight. Dying happens, dying twice to a single mistake does not need to happen. You are messing with my KDR. Just because you've decided to have a horrible KDR for eternity and be bad doesn't mean the rest of us have to. Your assistance is neither wanted, nor appreciated. Thank you for your time. I'll be looking for you. I have a used dirty milita needle with your name on it.

Ryme Intrinseca Seraphim Auxiliaries 108	Posted - 2013.10.12 15:23:00 - [191] - Quote Here's my solution to this issue.
RKKR The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 420	Posted - 2013.10.12 15:24:00 - [192] - Quote Should I make a sandwich with cheese, ham or both?
skippy678 F.T.U. 97	Posted - 2013.10.12 15:31:00 - [193] - Quote How do you think that those nanohives get in the middle of the action? and its not that much better when someones scanning.. hey you can spawn at the MCC and run to the battle.. and hey someone with a 200K suit like my corpmates have dfferent opinions about being revived, but im sure your running free suits anyway...your so stupid...im gonna call an LAV on your head one day when your not payng attention...dummy
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 618	Posted - 2013.10.12 16:34:00 - [194] - Quote Meh next time don't push the help request button or whatever it's called. Or go on team chat and just blast everyone.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 398	Posted - 2013.10.12 16:42:00 - [195] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Borne Velvalor wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: So you admit they are inferior? Good, this is progress. Amazing. When I say I won't post anymore, you magically respond. I point this out because if I didn't, your following response would've been "Why are you getting so mad? I thought you said you wouldn't respond." No, genius, it's called sarcasm. I'm saying that that's what YOU apparently think the response does. Nice try, though. Keep those pointless, dry responses with no actual counter-points incoming. I adore them. Don't make a thread cr*pping all over other players' contributions if you aren't prepared to defend your position with more than a cap gun. Truth be told, there are too many angry nerds in this thread attempting to validate their inferior playstyle. I never had any intention of responding to all of them. The replies I do put in are done mostly on a whim. This, the only people who don't mind dying all the time are the sht players lol
Himiko Kuronaga SyNergy Gaming EoN. 1833	Posted - 2013.10.12 22:57:00 - [196] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Why dont you sort it out with a battle? 16 assault tryhards vs 16 logi/assaults/heavys and vehicles It should be obvious. The assault tryhards will win. Logi will die because they are being stupid with a rep gun or some other dumb ****. If they aren't hiding behind a heavy waiting for their imminent death they are probably off picking flowers or something equally useless. Non-tryhard Assaults would stand a chance, but be outnumbered in terms of capability and eventually overwhelmed. Heavies will be the easiest target on the field and unable to kill anything. They could team up with a logi, but even then would only be accomplishing the job of one assault before they are brought down. Tanks will get AV grenaded to death if they move in, unless they are rail sniping and therefore accomplishing nothing. The assault tryhards have an answer to basically every situation, sorry. If its obvious then get the team together and have at it in a best of 3 on planet fight club or wherever I have no need or desire to do so. You are the only one who wants this to happen.
Borne Velvalor BLACK-DRAGON-SOCIETY 43	Posted - 2013.10.12 22:59:00 - [197] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Why dont you sort it out with a battle? 16 assault tryhards vs 16 logi/assaults/heavys and vehicles It should be obvious. The assault tryhards will win. Logi will die because they are being stupid with a rep gun or some other dumb ****. If they aren't hiding behind a heavy waiting for their imminent death they are probably off picking flowers or something equally useless. Non-tryhard Assaults would stand a chance, but be outnumbered in terms of capability and eventually overwhelmed. Heavies will be the easiest target on the field and unable to kill anything. They could team up with a logi, but even then would only be accomplishing the job of one assault before they are brought down. Tanks will get AV grenaded to death if they move in, unless they are rail sniping and therefore accomplishing nothing. The assault tryhards have an answer to basically every situation, sorry. Goonfeet vs 3oD, Planetary Conquest. The player goes 31 kills, 12 assists and 5 deaths as a Heavy, with a K/D of 6.2 and a KA/D of 8.6, winning through clone depletion. Watch the first half of the battle when the clones are dropping the most; the heavy's armor is ping ponging up and down due to the Logibro with the core repair tool. He'll be under fire from multiple targets and the repper will keep his health up. All he needs to do is hide under cover for a few SECONDS to fully heal his armor. Do you not see what kind of advantage that is? Support roles are not useless. Assault players of the same numbers and skill levels usually kill each other off pretty quickly. A Heavy and a Logi with some hives, a rezzer and a core repper can defend an area as well as two assault players can. It's also hard to measure the efficiency of a support player due to the tiers of equipment having a far larger impact on usefulness than weapon tiers. The average proto weapon deals 10% more damage than a standard weapon. The core focused repair tool heals 320% more than the standard repair tool, from 25 to 105 armor a second. The proto injector raises targets with 160% more armor than the standard. Uplinks go from 10 second spawns to 3 second spawns and hives more than double their capacity and ammo replenishment. So, a standard Logi is not going to be nearly as effective. Sure, mathematically, two slayers seem better than a slayer with a support. The support will only heal a few hundred HP in a battle, so why not actually go full combat and raise the HP pool of the two by 500-700? Plus, now you've dealing more damage. However, it's important to remember that armor damage for armor tanks accumulates. Really, especially due to delays in shield regeneration, it's easy to whittle a heavy down. The death tole goes down with a support. While it's easier to deal massive damage with all slayers, unless you're players are extremely skilled, you're going to be bleeding a lot more clones than if you had some support players to repair, revive and resupply. Really, I'd say the value of players is: Really good slayer > really good support > average support > average "slayer" > bad slayer = bad support. "Really good slayer" is at the top, but, sorry, that's not a "style." A logistics player can only contribute so much to the team, while an assault player can always contribute more by killing more enemies. However, the average contribution of a logi is more worthwhile than your average blueberry assault player that gets below a 1.0. --- Also, not wanting to put forth any proof of anything because you don't feel like it is a poor excuse. Don't make a thread degrading everyone and calling them useless if you won't defend your position; that's just being rude.
Himiko Kuronaga SyNergy Gaming EoN. 1833	Posted - 2013.10.12 23:01:00 - [198] - Quote I just did. Deal with it?
ADAM-OF-EVE Svartur Bjorn Neo Terra Empire 414	Posted - 2013.10.12 23:02:00 - [199] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: stop dieing then and no one can needle you and it doesn't mess with your kdr think this needed to be mentioned again
Himiko Kuronaga SyNergy Gaming EoN. 1833	Posted - 2013.10.12 23:03:00 - [200] - Quote Shall I start quoting my own posts again as well? You guys seem to like them, after all. 10 full pages of this.

Borne Velvalor BLACK-DRAGON-SOCIETY 43	Posted - 2013.10.12 23:04:00 - [201] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: I just did. Deal with it? Exactly what do you mean by deal with it? The only way to deal with someone who presents no proof supporting their point of view is either by not discussing anything (in which case, why make a thread) or accepting their opinion without proof. This section is called "General Discussions," not, "General Post Your Opinion With No Proof and Expect Everyone to Accept It." EDIT: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Shall I start quoting my own posts again as well? You guys seem to like them, after all. 10 full pages of this. I don't agree with your opinion, nor like your attitude. However, I am not mad, nor do I abhor everything you've posted. I laughed at several of your retorts. I'd just like some actual discussion.
Himiko Kuronaga SyNergy Gaming EoN. 1833	Posted - 2013.10.12 23:07:00 - [202] - Quote You are welcome to discuss the fact that I am right about everything.
ADAM-OF-EVE Svartur Bjorn Neo Terra Empire 414	Posted - 2013.10.12 23:08:00 - [203] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: You are welcome to discuss the fact that I am right about everything. your eon... that is where you first went wrong lol
Mortedeamor Internal Rebellion 411	Posted - 2013.10.12 23:10:00 - [204] - Quote Kane Fyea wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Do not needle me in the middle of an active firefight. Dying happens, dying twice to a single mistake does not need to happen. You are messing with my KDR. Just because you've decided to have a horrible KDR for eternity and be bad doesn't mean the rest of us have to. Your assistance is neither wanted, nor appreciated. Thank you for your time. I'll make sure I stick my needle in you 3 times next time I see you just to make sure your KDR gets fked up. I need the WP anyways. giving us good logibros a bad name "kane fyea"
Borne Velvalor BLACK-DRAGON-SOCIETY 43	Posted - 2013.10.12 23:10:00 - [205] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: You are welcome to discuss the fact that I am right about everything. Dust 514 wrote: Nanite Injector: If administered in time, first-phase resuscitation (defined as GÇÿminimum-essential combat functionality') is typically achievable, though some psychological trauma is to be expected. It all makes sense now.
Himiko Kuronaga SyNergy Gaming EoN. 1833	Posted - 2013.10.12 23:10:00 - [206] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: You are welcome to discuss the fact that I am right about everything. your eon... that is where you first went wrong lol You have changed my life. Let's hold hands.
Mortedeamor Internal Rebellion 411	Posted - 2013.10.12 23:11:00 - [207] - Quote no wp gain until 7 secs after target is revived and is alive..that way reviveing someone in the line of fire would give you no wp..personally i am fond of the idea..where if your targeet dies in 3 secs or under you lose 50 wp..this would not effect me at all i dont revive spam.
Himiko Kuronaga SyNergy Gaming EoN. 1834	Posted - 2013.10.13 05:23:00 - [208] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: stop dieing then and no one can needle you and it doesn't mess with your kdr think this needed to be mentioned again I took your advice to heart. http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b107/Rikuto/1382413_689297517749418_40565190_n_zpsb3fd9f25.jpg Hey look, random blues are now paying me money for no reason! It is good to be the slayer. http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b107/Rikuto/733892_689297534416083_1393201638_n_zps37f5b8d3.jpg
Borne Velvalor BLACK-DRAGON-SOCIETY 46	Posted - 2013.10.13 05:57:00 - [209] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: stop dieing then and no one can needle you and it doesn't mess with your kdr think this needed to be mentioned again I took your advice to heart. http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b107/Rikuto/1382413_689297517749418_40565190_n_zpsb3fd9f25.jpg Hey look, random blues are now paying me money for no reason! It is good to be the slayer. http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b107/Rikuto/733892_689297534416083_1393201638_n_zps37f5b8d3.jpg It's good to see that you've reformed and seen the error of your ways. Just make sure you don't die and the problem is solved. Or, you know, CCP could add a punishment for reviving targets into fire or ask for the revivee's acceptance. That might help.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1340	Posted - 2013.10.13 12:05:00 - [210] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Why dont you sort it out with a battle? 16 assault tryhards vs 16 logi/assaults/heavys and vehicles It should be obvious. The assault tryhards will win. Logi will die because they are being stupid with a rep gun or some other dumb ****. If they aren't hiding behind a heavy waiting for their imminent death they are probably off picking flowers or something equally useless. Non-tryhard Assaults would stand a chance, but be outnumbered in terms of capability and eventually overwhelmed. Heavies will be the easiest target on the field and unable to kill anything. They could team up with a logi, but even then would only be accomplishing the job of one assault before they are brought down. Tanks will get AV grenaded to death if they move in, unless they are rail sniping and therefore accomplishing nothing. The assault tryhards have an answer to basically every situation, sorry. If its obvious then get the team together and have at it in a best of 3 on planet fight club or wherever I have no need or desire to do so. You are the only one who wants this to happen. Is that because you are afraid that you may lose?



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