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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.10.10 23:29:00 -
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ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:stop dieing then and no one can needle you and it doesn't mess with your kdr
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Bethhy
Ancient Exiles
180
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Posted - 2013.10.10 23:35:00 -
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Logi's use your gun to save your team mate more then a needle or a repair tool.
You will be way more successful in saving their lives just watching their back. After action dies down then pull out the repair's and needles. |
Bethhy
Ancient Exiles
180
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Posted - 2013.10.10 23:41:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:KingBabar wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:I don't quite understand what all this rage is for...
this is an FPS, there is no more important stat than KDR...
No seriously... there is nothing more important that KDR... how many enemy clones did you kill vs how many did you lose for your side. This is a game where you shoot people... and whomever shoots more people without getting shot is the most skilled player.
Isk lost/isk destroyed? meaningless... isk is essentially meaningless as well.
If someone goes 1/10 in MLT with a isk L/D ratio of 5 vs a guy going 30/1 in PRO with a isk L/D ratio of 1... the guy in proto did WAAAAY better, and was by far the more skilled and contributing player.
Seriously guys, name one that is more important that KDR in a game where the sole objective is killing other people.
Win/Loss ratio is irrelevant as well, there is no point or reward for winning, nor is your W/L ratio determined by anything other than matchmaking luck unless you grab a full squad of protos to 'tryhard' for the win.
In the words of the undisputedly #1 dust player, regnyum:
"KDR > EVERYTHING" I thught that was Aldin? Oh maybe I dunno... they are both incredible players and a blast to play with. I wasn't really being all that serious with the post, It just inherently has a lot of logic to it due to the Lobby FPS nature of the game. In my personal opinion WP/Death and WP/min will be much much more valid stats than KDR. WP/Death is easy to track, WP/min is impossible afaik. They just need a well balanced and fully flushed out WP system before these stats can become meaningful.
Personally i would rather a proper accuracy rating system. And i find this to be one of the best stat's developers and players can track to see the legitimacy of a shooter.
When i open my Accuracy statistic's i should have a DUST merc with hitboxes showing how many headshot's I've had... How many times i shot someone in his left pinky fiinger...
That's why hit detection is still such a joke... We don't even have a proper hitboxes setup or proper damage reductions depending on what part of the merc you are hitting ex: Leg vs heart shot. |
Patrick57
GunFall Mobilization
Covert Intervention
535
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Posted - 2013.10.11 00:54:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Kane Fyea wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Do not needle me in the middle of an active firefight. Dying happens, dying twice to a single mistake does not need to happen. You are messing with my KDR. Just because you've decided to have a horrible KDR for eternity and be bad doesn't mean the rest of us have to. Your assistance is neither wanted, nor appreciated.
Thank you for your time. I'll make sure I stick my needle in you 3 times next time I see you just to make sure your KDR gets fked up. I need the WP anyways. My point exactly. I play for KDR (i know, killing people in a FPS, how dreadful) and to win. Logi's play for useless actions that generate WP and give them the illusion of being worth something.
OOOHHHHKAYYY then I'll just take rep tools, nanite injectors, nanohives, scanners, remote explosives, and everything else off my fits just to keep your KDR from dropping 0.01  |
Himiko Kuronaga
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
1814
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Posted - 2013.10.11 02:08:00 -
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Patrick57 wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Kane Fyea wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Do not needle me in the middle of an active firefight. Dying happens, dying twice to a single mistake does not need to happen. You are messing with my KDR. Just because you've decided to have a horrible KDR for eternity and be bad doesn't mean the rest of us have to. Your assistance is neither wanted, nor appreciated.
Thank you for your time. I'll make sure I stick my needle in you 3 times next time I see you just to make sure your KDR gets fked up. I need the WP anyways. My point exactly. I play for KDR (i know, killing people in a FPS, how dreadful) and to win. Logi's play for useless actions that generate WP and give them the illusion of being worth something. OOOHHHHKAYYY then I'll just take rep tools, nanite injectors, nanohives, scanners, remote explosives, and everything else off my fits just to keep your KDR from dropping 0.01
Can you remove yourself from my game as well?
That would go a long way. |
Patrick57
GunFall Mobilization
Covert Intervention
539
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Posted - 2013.10.11 02:11:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Patrick57 wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Kane Fyea wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Do not needle me in the middle of an active firefight. Dying happens, dying twice to a single mistake does not need to happen. You are messing with my KDR. Just because you've decided to have a horrible KDR for eternity and be bad doesn't mean the rest of us have to. Your assistance is neither wanted, nor appreciated.
Thank you for your time. I'll make sure I stick my needle in you 3 times next time I see you just to make sure your KDR gets fked up. I need the WP anyways. My point exactly. I play for KDR (i know, killing people in a FPS, how dreadful) and to win. Logi's play for useless actions that generate WP and give them the illusion of being worth something. OOOHHHHKAYYY then I'll just take rep tools, nanite injectors, nanohives, scanners, remote explosives, and everything else off my fits just to keep your KDR from dropping 0.01 Can you remove yourself from my game as well? That would go a long way.
You know what? How about just removing equipment slots from logi suits completely? I'm sorry that your KD will go down (<---Lie), I was trying to save your Proto Cal Logi that you use as an Assault! |
Himiko Kuronaga
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
1814
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Posted - 2013.10.11 02:13:00 -
[157] - Quote
It will actually probably go up at that point, as you'll be somewhat more obligated to actually engage the enemy instead of roleplaying with your rep tool in the corner. |
Patrick57
GunFall Mobilization
Covert Intervention
539
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Posted - 2013.10.11 02:15:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:It will actually probably go up at that point, as you'll be somewhat more obligated to actually engage the enemy instead of roleplaying with your rep tool in the corner.
I'm done with people who think support logis aren't important |
Himiko Kuronaga
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
1814
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Posted - 2013.10.11 02:24:00 -
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Patrick57 wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:It will actually probably go up at that point, as you'll be somewhat more obligated to actually engage the enemy instead of roleplaying with your rep tool in the corner. I'm done with people who think support logis aren't important
Denial isn't going to give you any more worth. Why don't you work on your gun game instead of continuing to drink the koolaid? |
Skipper Jones
KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND
861
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Posted - 2013.10.11 02:43:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Patrick57 wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Kane Fyea wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Do not needle me in the middle of an active firefight. Dying happens, dying twice to a single mistake does not need to happen. You are messing with my KDR. Just because you've decided to have a horrible KDR for eternity and be bad doesn't mean the rest of us have to. Your assistance is neither wanted, nor appreciated.
Thank you for your time. I'll make sure I stick my needle in you 3 times next time I see you just to make sure your KDR gets fked up. I need the WP anyways. My point exactly. I play for KDR (i know, killing people in a FPS, how dreadful) and to win. Logi's play for useless actions that generate WP and give them the illusion of being worth something. OOOHHHHKAYYY then I'll just take rep tools, nanite injectors, nanohives, scanners, remote explosives, and everything else off my fits just to keep your KDR from dropping 0.01 Can you remove yourself from my game as well? That would go a long way.
Oh so you run the game now? Yeah bro, I'll get my 2.06 KD out of YOUR game because you are SO good you run the place.
You are so right man. I should bow down to your almighty KD and suck you COD ****.
Arrogant, stuck up pricks are the reason why gamers have the stereotype that we do. |
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
6864
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Posted - 2013.10.11 02:44:00 -
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Skipper Jones wrote:Oh so you run the game now? Yeah bro, I'll get my 2.06 KD out of YOUR game because you are SO good you run the place.
You are so right man. I should bow down to your almighty KD and suck you COD ****.
Arrogant, stuck up pricks are the reason why gamers have the stereotype that we do.
It's a troll thread, pretty obvious by his responses. Just report and ignore |
Himiko Kuronaga
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
1814
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Posted - 2013.10.11 03:17:00 -
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It's not a troll thread though.
100% dead serious. You guys are bad. |
Caesar Williams
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
41
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Posted - 2013.10.11 03:20:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:It's not a troll thread though.
100% dead serious. You guys are bad.
I will try harder.  Why do you hate logis? |
Himiko Kuronaga
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
1814
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Posted - 2013.10.11 04:20:00 -
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Caesar Williams wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:It's not a troll thread though.
100% dead serious. You guys are bad. I will try harder. Why do you hate logis?
Well first understand that I hate everyone.
Logi's are just exceptionally worthless and have a unique way of contributing nothing while hiding under the "lol im a logi" flag to make themselves feel better about their general incompetence at the game. |
Captain Crutches
Nexus Marines
9
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Posted - 2013.10.11 04:35:00 -
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Posted this in another thread, but it seems appropriate here for now, so I'll just drop by to leave this here and be on my merry way to bed.
In EVE, logistics ships carry no weapons. Maybe a some light combat drones to ***** on killmails, but nothing that would make a difference in the overall DPS of the fleet. They are stocked full of repair tools, their sole purpose is to keep their fleetmates alive, to the point where corps/alliances that reimburse ship losses may refuse to reimburse a logi pilot if he had a gun fitted.
Without a sufficient number of them, fleets don't leave.
Battles have been won because the logistics of one side were able to keep their reps focused and coordinated enough to hold their friends against enemy damage, or lost because there wasn't enough and the enemy chewed through a "slayer" heavy fleet like paper.
Doesn't it make sense that Dust would follow a similar principle? It's about far more than just shooting the other guy in the face, and I'd take one skilled logibro over a whole squad of average slayers in any match. |
Keri Starlight
Psygod9
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
688
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Posted - 2013.10.11 05:56:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:
I play for KDR (i know, killing people in a FPS, how dreadful) and to win. Logi's play for useless actions that generate WP and give them the illusion of being worth something.
Wow.
Ok, I wanted to say I actually agree that revivng is not that useful outside of Ambush and I can think at much better ways to fill that equipment slot (Uplinks, Repper, Proto Hives... did I say Uplinks already?), but wow, your genearlization is ungodly stupid and your idea of the Logistic class is horrifying.
Himiko Kuronaga wrote:
I play to win.
I don't know what game modes you play, but don't expect to win objective games without logi's. My main character (this one) is an assaulter and even if I'm pretty good at killing, I depend on (competent) Logi's. They (competent Logi's) provide spawn points for me, they give me ammo when I'm scanning, they scan when I have Hives (assuming you are squad mates) and they repair my armor (if you are coordinated, you can even replace a repairing module with a plate for more HP because you have someone to heal you).
If you like to play solo, instead, you will realize that sometimes your crazy badass skilled assault suit is useless, because you have to spawn 400m away, as no one is even trying to give the Logistic support. Sometimes I kill 5, 10, 15 reds, then I randomly die because of a Forge Gun, a Core Locus, a Thale or whatever only to realize that somehow the enemy is taking the objective and I could easily stop them, if only someone dropped an uplink.
Is it my fault? No, I have a highly specialized class and I'm doing my job.
Is it my team's fault? No, they are playing their roles as well and I can't pretend there is a Logi among blueberries... ...a Logi...
So what do I have to do if I'm playing ANY non-logistic class (besides pilots, maybe, they don't really need Logi's)?
-Play in a squad WITH A LOGI.
-Spend from 750.000 to 2.000.000 SP to have a working Logistic suit with at least Uplinks and Hives. This way you can be a great solo player no matter what (but you also depend on supply depots to switch back to Assault). I'm planning to do this on this character, but for now I need my damn squad with my Logibro to win against other coordinated and competitive squads.
Otherwise, be a full-time Logi. Be the real leader of your team. |
Himiko Kuronaga
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
1819
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Posted - 2013.10.11 08:22:00 -
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Keri Starlight wrote:
I don't know what game modes you play, but don't expect to win objective games without logi's.
I do it all the time.
Either by myself, or with a group of Slayers.
You're not as useful as you think you are. |
Hawkings Greenback
Red Star.
EoN.
77
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Posted - 2013.10.11 08:32:00 -
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Himiko, you're so funny I actually like this thread you started.
All I see is people telling me how I should play this game, no thanks. My time so I'll play how I like.
Cheers |
dustwaffle
The Southern Legion
The Umbra Combine
594
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Posted - 2013.10.11 08:55:00 -
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The rage in this thread make reading all 7 9 pages worth it.
Also, revive troll is best troll |
Borne Velvalor
BLACK-DRAGON-SOCIETY
37
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Posted - 2013.10.11 09:06:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:
He gave you a solid reason why slayers are superior and you scoffed at it and refused to debate further.
That's some pretty sad stuff.
You can't really say that one is "better" than the other when they work best TOGETHER. However, I acknowledge that you have no concept of teamwork, or that there might be ways to contribute to a win other than directly killing enemies. Being able to spawn wherever you like, have infinite ammo, have your armor repaired in seconds, in combat or out of combat, being saved a clone and ISK by being revived or receiving free Orbital Strikes from these actions obviously does not contribute to victory.
It seems pretty obvious to me that you simply play with bad logistics players. I'm guessing every Logibro you've ever played with has thrown uplinks where you'll get spawn killed, revived you before the enemy has been neutralized or suppressed, thrown nanohives around willy-nilly for free WP and followed you around with a repair tool when you're at full HP and the enemy is close enough to stick their finger up your nose.
Also, the tactical value of a logistics player changes based on how many are on the field. If both teams are slayers, replacing a few guys on one of the teams with some competent logistics players can be useful. Replacing half the team with logistics players? Not so much. You only need so many uplinks, nanohives and medics on a team.
Obviously, slayers can perform some of these duties themselves with their singular equipment slot. So, at the end of the day, it comes down to better raw combat stats or two to three extra pieces of equipment. While the best "slayers" will be more useful than your average logibro, I'd say the best "logibros" are better than the average "slayer." How can you even compare the two across all skill levels? There are too many variables. Skill, amount of each type of player in the match, tactics, the map being played on and the mode all factor in.
Really, this is a pointless thread. I feel like you're just butthurt over being revived by bad logibros because it has a very apparent impact on you. How about I start a thread? "Dear terrible Slayers, please stop dying ten times more than you kill and only carrying nanohives; it's dragging down my W/L ratio" in which I generalize the uselessness of bad assault players to the whole role? |
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Keri Starlight
Psygod9
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
697
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Posted - 2013.10.11 09:59:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Keri Starlight wrote:
I don't know what game modes you play, but don't expect to win objective games without logi's.
I do it all the time. Either by myself, or with a group of Slayers. You're not as useful as you think you are.
We're such full of ourselves, aren't we? Do you win PC matches without Logi's as well? |
Sigberct Amni
Goonfeet
Top Men.
147
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Posted - 2013.10.11 12:58:00 -
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Wow, you people really wrote out four paragraph essays in response to this? Hahahahaha! Thumbs up to the OP for getting this many nerds flustered. I thought this thing would be dead after two pages. |
Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
EoN.
1321
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Posted - 2013.10.11 13:09:00 -
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Why dont you sort it out with a battle?
16 assault tryhards
vs
16 logi/assaults/heavys and vehicles |
XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO
Storm Wind Strikeforce
Caldari State
428
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Posted - 2013.10.11 13:18:00 -
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Protocake JR wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Do not needle me in the middle of an active firefight. Dying happens, dying twice to a single mistake does not need to happen. You are messing with my KDR. Just because you've decided to have a horrible KDR for eternity and be bad doesn't mean the rest of us have to. Your assistance is neither wanted, nor appreciated.
Thank you for your time. Don't bother. These forums are filled with bad players that depend on farming WP in order to feel useful.
Don't bother. This game is filled with bad players that depend on farming noobs in ambush to feel useful.
Fixed it for you |
Robocop Junior
The Surrogates Of War
307
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Posted - 2013.10.11 18:54:00 -
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KDR only matters in real life you pan
sies. |
Himiko Kuronaga
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
1824
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Posted - 2013.10.12 01:04:00 -
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It's ok to feel completely inadequate guys.
Hawkings Greenback wrote:Himiko, you're so funny I actually like this thread you started.
All I see is people telling me how I should play this game, no thanks. My time so I'll play how I like.
Cheers
Ah, the path of thorns. <3 |
Borne Velvalor
BLACK-DRAGON-SOCIETY
40
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Posted - 2013.10.12 02:48:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:It's ok to feel completely inadequate guys. Hawkings Greenback wrote:Himiko, you're so funny I actually like this thread you started.
All I see is people telling me how I should play this game, no thanks. My time so I'll play how I like.
Cheers Ah, the path of thorns. <3
I find it HILARIOUS that you are a Heavy and yet hate Logibros. Any decent team will have a few logistics players to support their Heavies. There is a reason for this, and that is that by extending the life of a Heavy, his slaying ability is greatly amplified. Normally, a Heavy gets worn down. In a heated battle to control the main objective in Domination, waves of enemies will whittle down his armor and ammo. With a logibro, his armor is always full between encounters, 25-50% of the damage he takes can be healed under fire and his ammo is restored without having to run, slowly as heavies do, to a supply depot. One logibro can help multiple heavies defend an area better than an additional heavy could. Logibros can be useful in combat as well; it's not as if they can't fight. Many logis run GEKs or Duvolles with a damage mod. Their damage output is still respectable and they can help soften up targets while maintaining a support role. It's not like logibros magically do half the damage you do and have half the health of an assault player just because they're carrying some tools.
I'm not even going to bother posting anymore. If you aren't a troll, you're just some nutter with a God-complex. It's rare to find a player with such a striking resemblance to a brick wall in nature. Here's how conversing with you works. 
"You are in denial. Drink some kool-aid./I listen to other players, just not bad ones." GÇô 'Your opinion is wrong, you are inferior, my opinion is correct.' -> Stock response. Great for everything.
"Remove yourself from my game." GÇô 'This sandbox is my sandbox. No one else can play in it except in the roles I wish them to play as, even in public matches.' -> Response for when someone is correct. People who may have an opinion more valid, or equally valid, than your own, have no place in Dust 514.
"I know you feel inadequate. Here's a picture of my **** to prove you feel inadequate." GÇô 'I have transcended humanity and entered the realm of the Gods. It is impossible that you are arguing with me because I could be wrong; no, you are arguing with me to validate yourself.' -> Stronger than the stock response. Showing these heathens your glorious stats in a video game instantly invalidates all of their opinions, proves their inferiority and exposes their underlying physiological need to elevate themselves to your level. |
Himiko Kuronaga
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
1824
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Posted - 2013.10.12 02:51:00 -
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So you admit they are inferior?
Good, this is progress. |
Borne Velvalor
BLACK-DRAGON-SOCIETY
40
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Posted - 2013.10.12 02:58:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:So you admit they are inferior?
Good, this is progress.
Amazing. When I say I won't post anymore, you magically respond. I point this out because if I didn't, your following response would've been "Why are you getting so mad? I thought you said you wouldn't respond."
No, genius, it's called sarcasm. I'm saying that that's what YOU apparently think the response does. Nice try, though. Keep those pointless, dry responses with no actual counter-points incoming. I adore them. Don't make a thread cr*pping all over other players' contributions if you aren't prepared to defend your position with more than a cap gun. |
Sarcastic Dreamkiller
I Play Solo
34
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Posted - 2013.10.12 03:02:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:So you admit they are inferior?
Good, this is progress.
They're not inferior, kills accomplish nothing unless you're playing ambush.
WP and KDR are both completely worthless because this is a f****** video game.
The logistics class is not supposed to get a lot of kills, that's why they are called "Logistics" and not "Assaults"
Oh, and I figured I would provide the definition of the word "Logistics" for you as you clearly don't understand what it means.
lo-+gis-+tics
lo-+gis-+tics [l+Ö j+¡stiks, l+ì j+¡stiks]
n (takes a singular or plural verb)
1. organization of complex task: the planning and implementation of a complex task
2. movement management: the planning and control of the flow of goods and materials through an organization or manufacturing process
3. organization of troop movements: the planning and organization of the movement of troops, their equipment, and supplies
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