then make skirmish AV free.

I saw 3 HAV, 2 LAV, and a DS in a pub ambush match.

Not 60 seconds later, they had all been destroyed by STD/ADV AV.

Build a cheap AV suit so you can deal with people dropping in vehicles :)

i can never even get close to tanks.

No... a 3 man LAV mounted militia only AV squad in skirmish is way too much fun.

Now, I know it's insanely easy to kill vehicles with high level AV, but with 3 of you and militia only, its still a challenge and the tank guys get what they want. IE it takes team work to kill them.

3 tanks in ambush just kills it.

Shoot them with a swarm once and watch as they haul ass away to recall their tank and then hide the rest of the match
Most tankers are cowards when they know AV is about so they arent that hard to deal with

Inb4 tankers cry about OP AV, ***** you have 3 weapons in the game that an infantry player is able to kill you with while we are vulnerable to almost every thing, suck it up and deal with dying or turn off your PS3

Infantry want a game mode without tanks but its the tankers who are the cowards *amused*

Why should you get special treatment, we skilled into our trait you skilled into yours. It just so happens ours has a noob masher attached to the top, you have very OP AV available.
Tanks are not OP, unless you let them be OP

Still trying the feed us the bullshit, and no one is eating it. 3 well-fit tanks with a proto squad pincering leaves no chance whatsover for the opposing team who doesn't do the same, with the only Supply Depot(if it's even there) being instantly destroyed in Ambush.

Want me to go find links to threads with vehicle players asking for a vehicle only mode so they can play world of tanks?

No... a 3 man LAV mounted militia only AV squad in skirmish is way too much fun.

Now, I know it's insanely easy to kill vehicles with high level AV, but with 3 of you and militia only, its still a challenge and the tank guys get what they want. IE it takes team work to kill them.

what about our fun? huh? you ever consider we want to enjoy this game too? of course you didn't, that's what you infantry mind produce... complete ignorance.

You should consider taking a break from this game for a bit. You sound a little unhinged.

Also, think about what you are saying before you say it. If skirmish was made AV free, do you think people playing infantry would ever play it? Just really think about it. HAVs + infantry with no AV. What would happen?

It's no wonder why I've no more ***** to give about this "Game"........this "Community" is full of F-Tier/Z-List B-Tards who would rather mold it into CoDdlefield Ghost Dog. What the vast majority of you illogical Casual Duncecaps fail to realize is that your "Recommendations" are utterly Game-Breaking.

Funnel all the AR Scrub CoDbois into the CoD-Box & the AV & Vehicles are left to play alone. Rock/Paper/Scissors is now Mother May I or Red Light/Green Light 1-2-3.......... The CoDbois leave for the actual newest CoD Ghost Dog's Black Cox, & we are left with a Game Mode with 4 Players on 1 side (The remaining CoDbois who couldn't afford CoD), & A bunch of Vehicle Mains AFK Farming the MCC.........

But what do I care......back to Diablo 3 I go. See you on Wednesday & NJoy your 1.7 Full Respecs

then make skirmish AV free.

3 tanks in ambush just kills it.

same thing that would happen if no vehicles are allowed in ambush, only 1 class would enjoy it.

you ever consider how a vehicle free mode would effect this game as a whole?

like I said, if you want a vehicle free ambush, give us an AV free skirmish. fair is fair boy..

Still trying the feed us the bullshit, and no one is eating it. 3 well-fit tanks with a proto squad pincering leaves no chance whatsover for the opposing team who doesn't do the same, with the only Supply Depot(if it's even there) being instantly destroyed in Ambush.

3 tanks in ambush just kills it.

then make skirmish AV free.

same thing that would happen if no vehicles are allowed in ambush, only 1 class would enjoy it.

you ever consider how a vehicle free mode would effect this game as a whole?

like I said, if you want a vehicle free ambush, give us an AV free skirmish. fair is fair boy..

Can i have a AV free skirmish then?

3 proto AV against my basic tank just kills it

Ambush is a 50 kill deathmatch. It just does not make since to allow a tank. That's like having 5 extra people in a game. Been doing me some ambush for the first time ever the past couple of days, and the favor is always on the side with tanks. Go figure eh.

then make skirmish AV free.

im for it still for it,theres players that wont even touch dust seeig tanks in a TDM.

sorry void, tanks have no place in ambush. That is called an I win button.

Wow, really? So a guy gets tired of HAVs blowing him up, and asks for a vehicle free mode, and your "fair" counterpoint is to ask for mode where HAVs just blow up helpless infantry all day long. How does that even make sense?! You need to think before you post dumb stuff.

sorry tebu, AV has no place in skirmish, that's called an instant kill button.

3 tanks in ambush just kills it.

The converse of this is no vehicles in skirmish either. Fair trade.

LAVs being an exception of course.

No skin off my nose either way since the Forge Gun was classified as modified mining equipment by CCP and isn't technically AV like Swarms or AV-Grenades.

Like HAVs firing on infantry that doesn't have any AV to protect themselves with?

I look forward to you rage quitting this game once you realize that CCP will never give you invincible HAVs. Ever. HAV pilots are 5% of this game's population. When it comes to game balance, CCP will always err on the side of infantry.

Then you are simply not playing it right. It is EXTREMELY easy to burn down a tank. Adv Swarms + AV grenades will knock out any tank in a pub match. Two players with those and you can almost guarantee no more vehicles on the battle field. He is failing miserably at tactics, its not game mode.

Like HAVs firing on infantry that doesn't have any AV to protect themselves with?

I look forward to you rage quitting this game once you realize that CCP will never give you invincible HAVs. Ever. HAV pilots are 5% of this game's population. When it comes to game balance, CCP will always err on the side of infantry.

I know we aren't getting that nearly perfect balance anymore, I know we are a minority and you retards are the majority, look at what the state of the game is because of you guys whining about everything you cant shot like you do in cod.

this game would be in a better state if people like you never heard of it.

then remove tanks! we will move on, it's no crime. but say what you really want. "I never want to see a tank again" is that so hard? the only crime I see here is that you don't want to kill tanking, you want to torture it. slowly and progressively making it worse and worse, twisting the red hot iron into the sides of those who enjoy tanks.

Say what you mean. You don't enjoy tanks, you enjoy the feeling of omnipotence and invincibility that tanking gets you. You want more of it.

I don't want tanks to be gone. I just want them to not be invincible, because that hurts the game. And it looks like CCP wants the same thing.

well they aren't invincible, you've gotten your wish. with every build they get worse. why remove them from ambush?

What are you, twelve? Don't you get that making HAVs too strong will make for an unfun game for everyone who is NOT in one? That's why prototype tanks were taken out, because HAV pilots found ways to be essentially un-killable, and that made for very frustrating gameplay for everyone else. And they still out there right now in their slightly less effective 2.5 mil tanks just butchering pubbies.

So every time someone goes on these forums and proposes some ludicrous bandaid solution like taking AV out or making it so that HAVs are the only counter to HAVs, they are not getting the big picture. Yes, it would be awesome to just steam roll over everyone in your invincible tank. But it would be a terrible game experience for everyone getting steamrolled. And eventually everyone else would stop playing because why should they deal with that bull****. And you'll be left all alone in your super tank with no-one to shoot.

So quit throwing tantrums and calling people names and just think before you post.

well they aren't invincible, you've gotten your wish. with every build they get worse. why remove them from ambush?

I never said I want infantry only ambush. Only reason I posted was because someone somehow got to the conclusion that AV free skirmish was a good idea as well.

well....I said that because he wants a vehicle free ambush, fair is fair.

want a vehicle free game mode? we want an AV free game mode, you cannot do one thing for one side without doing anything for the other side, tank drivers have been screwed over since the beginning of the game.

well....I said that because he wants a vehicle free ambush, fair is fair.

want a vehicle free game mode? we want an AV free game mode, you cannot do one thing for one side without doing anything for the other side, tank drivers have been screwed over since the beginning of the game.

Wow, seriously? This isn't some kind of joke or troll?

Letting people play without being stomped by vehicles is valid, because they are still being challenged by the other team. Introducing a game mode where HAVs stomp infantry without any kind of recourse short of calling in their own tank is just dumb. It's dumb because no infantry would ever join it. Only tankers will. So why not just skip the middle part and make a vehicle only mode?

I think the only reason why you didn't suggest a vehicle only mode is because you don't want to have shoot-outs with other HAVs. You want to stomp infantry. That's why you got into tanking. Admit it.

Wow, seriously? This isn't some kind of joke or troll?

Letting people play without being stomped by vehicles is valid, because they are still being challenged by the other team. Introducing a game mode where HAVs stomp infantry without any kind of recourse short of calling in their own tank is just dumb. It's dumb because no infantry would ever join it. Only tankers will. So why not just skip the middle part and make a vehicle only mode?

I think the only reason why you didn't suggest a vehicle only mode is because you don't want to have shoot-outs with other HAVs. You want to stomp infantry. That's why you got into tanking. Admit it.

Really because if I could get rid of you idiots I would instantly and have tank battles all day long!

But this isn't CoD, and its not world of Tanks.

no, its all in the cause of being fair to everyone, if you have infantry only matches your alienating my kind, you don't like to fight against vehicles. we don't like to fight against AV, if you can alienate us, we should get to alienate our rival class. fair is fair boy.

the reason I got into tanking back last year is because im bored and tired of being a mindless ******** grunt who does nothing but point and shoot, in a tank its a whole new world.

I don't play ambush, I only play skirmish, ambush is just to unstable for vehicles to go in unless they have the entire team to help them, in skirmish at least we know what direction the AV is coming from, think before you posts next time and I might give you a little respect.

bottom line is, tanks kill infantry, AV kills tank, make a vehicle free mode, make an AV free mode.

I'd be totally fine with a vehicle only mode. I wouldn't play it, but its not like I would have less Dust for me if it existed.

And good job on insulting 90% of this game's population!

LMAO

CCP, can you please create an AV-free skirmish game mode so that this guy can just sit there all alone in his tank for days, waiting for infantry that will never come.

same thing that would happen if no vehicles are allowed in ambush, only 1 class would enjoy it.

you ever consider how a vehicle free mode would effect this game as a whole?

like I said, if you want a vehicle free ambush, give us an AV free skirmish. fair is fair boy..

i can never even get close to tanks. I spawn in my AV suit but then I die so much trying to get to the bloody thing
so it's a constant toss-up between being able to deal with infantry and being able to deal with tanks.

Wow, really? So a guy gets tired of HAVs blowing him up, and asks for a vehicle free mode, and your "fair" counterpoint is to ask for mode where HAVs just blow up helpless infantry all day long. How does that even make sense?! You need to think before you post dumb stuff.


Says the ignorant Scrub requesting selfish Babysit Mode...... Quit Gaming kid, & Posting.....you make me physically ill........

ANYTHING ONLY MODE = Game has Auto-Resigned to Failure

Like HAVs firing on infantry that doesn't have any AV to protect themselves with?

I look forward to you rage quitting this game once you realize that CCP will never give you invincible HAVs. Ever. HAV pilots are 5% of this game's population. When it comes to game balance, CCP will always err on the side of infantry.

want a vehicle free game mode? we want an AV free game mode, you cannot do one thing for one side without doing anything for the other side...

Do you know why this is??? B/C only .03% of the Playerbase can go ISK Positive in a Tank. The 4.97% are simply Masochists who refuse to play a Game on EZ-Mode. I look forward to you Rage Quitting the "Game" once you realize that CCP has tried to make DUST 514 into CoD, only to realize there's Titanfall.........

I know we aren't getting that nearly perfect balance anymore, I know we are a minority and you retards are the majority, look at what the state of the game is because of you guys whining about everything you cant shot like you do in cod.

this game would be in a better state if people like you never heard of it.

What are you, twelve? Don't you get that making HAVs too strong will make for an unfun game for everyone who is NOT in one? That's why prototype tanks were taken out, because HAV pilots found ways to be essentially un-killable, and that made for very frustrating gameplay for everyone else. And they still out there right now in their slightly less effective 2.5 mil tanks just butchering pubbies.

So every time someone goes on these forums and proposes some ludicrous bandaid solution like taking AV out or making it so that HAVs are the only counter to HAVs, they are not getting the big picture. Yes, it would be awesome to just steam roll over everyone in your invincible tank. But it would be a terrible game experience for everyone getting steamrolled. And eventually everyone else would stop playing because why should they deal with that bull****. And you'll be left all alone in your super tank with no-one to shoot.

So quit throwing tantrums and calling people names and just think before you post.

What are you........5??? Prototype Tanks were hardly "Unkillable"..... Only 5 Players spec'd AV between Precursor & Chromosone. Only in Uprising have I seen a steady stream (A bit excessive SPAM tbh...) of AV Specs. Damage Mods were OP Glitched & Rendering actually worked..... Ask any Pro AFGer how Tanks were in "The Bowl". You will get this as Feedback:

"Tanks??? LOL!!! AV Grenade Spam & my Hand Cannon + Blob Spawning kept them pinned behind a mountain 'till our Lazors melted Infantry. They all fell down. Lazors OP ChromoHax!!!!!"

Go dig a ditch & lie in it............

lol says the ignorant crap head.

so its alright for infantry to want to get away from tanks killing them because they don't want to take the effort to do something else.... but its criminal for tanks to want to get away from AV killing us so we can fight each other and actually have fun like what you want with no vehicles?

completely biased and ignorant double standards.

if you want me to stop posting, then youl have to find me irl and get killed kid.

Void.....are you B-Tarded??? I ran out of Quote Space on a DS3.....hence BOLD as my Response........ Do you even F**KING Read??? A better TANKER speaks in DEFENSE of Tanks for multiple Posts.....& now you Blind Rage Post thinking he's Infantry-Centric??? You need to also quit Posting now........you are mentally defunct

I dont see anything wrong with this, its what many tankers seem to wish for, a game mode where they can let tanks go against tanks and no AV, and in the other corner we got foot soldiers wanting a game mode where tanks/veichles are not allowed, I think that would be a great thing to do for this game, wouldnt this be a win-win for everyone?

Create a new game mode for tanks alone and let regular Ambush be a veichle-free game mode, done.

Do you know why this is??? B/C only .03% of the Playerbase can go ISK Positive in a Tank. The 4.97% are simply Masochists who refuse to play a Game on EZ-Mode. I look forward to you Rage Quitting the "Game" once you realize that CCP has tried to make DUST 514 into CoD, only to realize there's Titanfall.........

anyone that thinks that vehicles should be nerfed even more or crippled in anyway is infantry centric, iv played this game long enough to know who is infantry centric and who is a vehicle pilot.

like I said, if you want me to stop posting, your going to have to find me irl and shoot before i get a head shot off of you.

3 tanks in ambush just kills it.

My "Head" is a Turret & my "Feet" are Treads....

I.ve been saying this all my life.
Ambush needs no Tanks, its a game mode for tankers to pad stat.
ANY pub match or Faction war needs to fix The limit on TANKS deployed; Getting in a match vs 6+ organized corp members while you team are all randoms is already hard,but for them to start spider-tanking with 2+ tanks is just ret@rded.
Not only bad matchmaking but also bad vehicle limits? LOL good one,

Want to spider tank? do it in Planetary conquest, where there WILL be a counter.

Who's stupid enough to use vehicles in ambush? Are they trying to go bankrupt?

27-0
24-0
11-0

says otherwise.

unless they kill other tankers and vehicle pilots, that only brings in 250k

But yeah sure take out tanks but make all swarms forge av nades and plasma cannon cost 50,000 isk each and make them absolutely suck unless you've spent several million sp on them

sorry void, tanks have no place in ambush. That is called an I win button.

I have spent several million SP on them.

-The weapons , to prof 4 with several other upgrades.
-The SUIT to put the swarms on
-The Side arm i so rely on to defend myself from enemy infatry
-The nanos i use to ressuply my swarm
-All the passive skills i've had to improve in order to move faster and be more resistant.
-The Complex Damage mods
-Complex Shield Ext
-Complex Armor and rep
-Complex cardiac Reg

Id say i spent around 14-15 million SP in being an AVer.
Happy now?



ANTTI-Like for you -1

Where will the AVers go??? "Community" is full of Sheep & Lemmings......... Hope for Humanity is lost......

Yes but your skills carry over if you wanted to be an infantry guy who just avoids tanks and plays the game AV free you would have gotten

-All the passive skills i've had to improve in order to move faster and be more resistant.
-The Complex Damage mods
-Complex Shield Ext
-Complex Armor and rep
-Complex cardiac Reg
-The SUIT to put the swarms on
-The Side arm i so rely on to defend myself from enemy infatry

anyway most of these skills do not inhibit your infantry gameplay, I don't see how armor adaptation level 5 or vehicle core upgrades level 5 will help me in anything but tanking.

So checkmate,basicaly nerf tanks because blueberries wont help you.

Well adamance. The point is , TANKS ARE NOT WEAK.
Shield tanks are UP compared with Armor tanks, but anyone saying armor tanks are weak is demented.
That they re NOT 100% effective on their own, yeah well,nothing is supposed to.

Yesterday i was playing again vs 6+ corp members.
They brought in 2 tanks, and had about 3 snipers taking out all AV infantry, while the rest of the reds freely took everything.(You know, teamwork?) Me and 3 randoms squaded up and try to take down 1 tank, but when you are getting hit by snipers , rushed by enemy infantry becasue all of your blues are 3-15 K-D snipers, and need to actually RELOAD 2+ times because the armor tank took 6 of your Wyrikomis swarms to the face and still lives with 1/3 of their HP, it becomes not difficult , but impossible.

we are also talking about LINE HARVEST,probably one of he WORST maps to fight vs Tanks since they have so much cover.
6 Proto swarms, the other AV throwing grenades, hes already ON FIRE, but he speeds up, gets lost under the roofs and hides behind the redline to repair/call it back.MEanwhile we are getting ravaged by enemy infantry because our Blues are n00bs and we are carruing AV instead of AI weaponry.


They are NOT useless. Tankers want overall to be undestructible,as it is even with proto AV , rep mods are so broken is impossible to take them down; but let me tell you this. the day you all run indestructible tanks, the FPS aspect dies,because we will ALL be running tanks....And then ,being a tanker will be nothing special.

I'm not a tank pilot but at the same time I don't think Ambush should have stipulations for the corporations who hand out these contracts wouldn't have stipulations. They just want the job done.

As much as I hate to see three tanks roaming the field, I suck it up because this is war. I don't have time to cry foul. We just have to get the swarm guys out there and we gotta protect them from infantry trying to silence them.

A man once said, "War is hell"

then make skirmish AV free.

So if I read this correctly........:

"Nerf Tanks b/c my Blues are bad & Teamwork is OP. They has bettar Snaipurs!!!"

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Sure, you can call a tank, but it'll probably get wrek'd.

I know we aren't getting that nearly perfect balance anymore, I know we are a minority and you retards are the majority, look at what the state of the game is because of you guys whining about everything you cant shot like you do in cod.

this game would be in a better state if people like you never heard of it.

Well adamance. The point is , TANKS ARE NOT WEAK.
Shield tanks are UP compared with Armor tanks, but anyone saying armor tanks are weak is demented.
That they re NOT 100% effective on their own, yeah well,nothing is supposed to.

Yesterday i was playing again vs 6+ corp members.
They brought in 2 tanks, and had about 3 snipers taking out all AV infantry, while the rest of the reds freely took everything.(You know, teamwork?) Me and 3 randoms squaded up and try to take down 1 tank, but when you are getting hit by snipers , rushed by enemy infantry becasue all of your blues are 3-15 K-D snipers, and need to actually RELOAD 2+ times because the armor tank took 6 of your Wyrikomis swarms to the face and still lives with 1/3 of their HP, it becomes not difficult , but impossible.

we are also talking about LINE HARVEST,probably one of he WORST maps to fight vs Tanks since they have so much cover.
6 Proto swarms, the other AV throwing grenades, hes already ON FIRE, but he speeds up, gets lost under the roofs and hides behind the redline to repair/call it back.MEanwhile we are getting ravaged by enemy infantry because our Blues are n00bs and we are carruing AV instead of AI weaponry.


They are NOT useless. Tankers want overall to be undestructible,as it is even with proto AV , rep mods are so broken is impossible to take them down; but let me tell you this. the day you all run indestructible tanks, the FPS aspect dies,because we will ALL be running tanks....And then ,being a tanker will be nothing special.

So.....if you want to Tank you must be GOD b/c you must survive 5-15 Matches to recoup on a single Loss. 1 SKILLED AVer can SOLO you. You are obviously not a SKILLED AVer..... 2x Skilled AVers w/ Damage Mods + Focus Fire = 6x Tanks Dead &/or Redlined. Make those 2 AFGers & Infantry = LOL, & the Derpship "Counter" is Null & Void........ I read & comprehend just fine.....you are simply Irrelevant

well that escalated quickly.

entertaining too.

seriously checkmate you're still on about tanks not being UP? I'd debate the point but it goes nowhere and I'm worried you'd pull a STD swarm on me.

ninjanomyx good to see you.

I believe the topic at hand was removing tanks from ambush. as tanks are undeniably underpowered, that is unless you are playing with checkmate then they go inexplicably god mode. it is my belief that removing tanks from ambush would only further weaken the tank as a class especially considering that we only have three game modes to work with. to any butt hurt infantry men i would recommend getting yourself a STD swarm it's cheap and requires almost no sp but still effective. if you should find yourself tank spammed simply utilize the fact that they have basically no infantry to you advantage and fire swarms from cover.

As for you Checkmate

An infantry man should never take a tank 1 to 1 without having to make use of solid cover, and preparation, 2v1 doable, 3v1 easy. I am sorry but a player should never be able to strafe through tank rounds firing swarms as he does it. Swarmer's should be a long range/long locking AV option to take down armour tanks with high DPS once locked.

Don't even forget prior to becoming a tanker I was a damn good AVer

''An infantry man should never take a tank 1 to 1 without having to make use of solid cover''
True, but :
1-sometimes i dont have another chance than taking tanks solo 1 v1 , I play pub matches NOT Pc,where teamwork is common,in FW running alone with randoms taht suck its everyday life.
2-Depends on the enemy team also. A tank,even a badt anker like myself can go 25+ kills and ZERo deaths in a game if your infantry is taking care of the AV infantry. COVER and PREPARATION is something that sometimes you CANT afford.SPECIALLY in AMBUSH

SITUATIONAL

''. I am sorry but a player should never be able to strafe through tank rounds firing swarms as he does it. ''
Agreed, a tanker should kill that AVer instanly, i dont know why they dont.

'' Swarmer's should be a long range/long locking AV option to take down armour tanks with high DPS once locked.''

Agreed, i miss the Javelin from BF3.... : /

I can go find the countless threads where you describe your ideal dust version as another call of duty.

Do it, go find posts where I say this should be more like call of duty
and I mean where I say exactly that, none of your butt hurt whining claiming that I want a cod clone because I say tanks should get blown up by one man and not safe cozy spot to keep your ass safe because you are scared to put boots to the ground

Not from you Adamance, Ive seen a lot of your posts and you are a fairly reasonable guy
On the other hand Ive also seen a lot of Voids posts and hes gone after me before spouting a bunch of BS and trying to put words in my mouth and here he is throwing out a challenge claiming Ive said something I havent so Im calling him on it
If he can actually back up what hes saying I say let him do it other wise this is another case of him riding my nuts since I dont think tanks should take a huge amount of concentrated fire with just one massively altering that playing field, something like that is atrocious for game balance and catering to a niche in a bad way

Now if they actually do decide to chop everything up so people can pick and choose game modes its still detrimental but slightly less so, personally though I prefer the mix of things but I think our team sizes and map layouts hinder the true potential of this set up

3 tanks in ambush just kills it.

Point A1- It doesn't matter, I don't care if you are solo, or a player who I don't know too lazy to squad, it makes no damn difference you do not/ should not have the capacity, like you do now, to easily solo a tank.
Point A2- Yes you can, AV can sit around other groups of players and use them as cover, a wall between the enemy teams and such, In ambush you cannot forget there are dozens of squads rolling around, saying because you do not have one you are not covered is a weak argument considering we now have a squad finder.

Point B1- Yeah or I just suck at tracking, which I know I don't for the number of Head Shots on the run I get.
Point B2- That would suit AVers I reckon, and tanks because them then get the chance to break lock, Avers cannot insta lock and spam, plus counter measure modules could be implemented for the time between lock, like AMS, Flares, EM disruption Script, Kinetic Dampeners. But AV retains its killing power and DPS when locked.

I agree with you entirely but in reality you die once, come back with swarm luancher and av grenades and problem solved. Except the real problem is not wanting to use those weapons at all.

I'm surprised they let someone so Mindless past Pre-Kindergarden......... The only thing we don't worry about are Handheld Ballistics (IE: AR, Sniper, Shotty). Even Flaylocks, Scrambler Rifles, Lazers & Mass Drivers contribute.....albeit small. Hitbox is huge, Acceleration is slow, Counter is Insta-Fire & Homing (FG, Swarm, AV Nade), Maps cater to AV & Infantry in general.....especially the new Sockets (Sky Scrapers, Platforms, Cubby Holes, Ridges, etc.). Our Turrets neither look Up nor Down past 35 & 10 Degrees respectively, we have no access to anything past STD except Turrets (FG Hurt Box is 1.5x Heavy Frame while Rail is 1/2 the Scout Frame btw....& AFG > ALL), a pebble in the road strips EHP, Terrain deviates Shots wildly, MAX of 20 Seconds in Combat (If minimal AV present) with a 45 Seconds to 1 Minute Downtime (If not Aggressively Suicidal...), NO "Aim-Assist" whatsoever, our Price Tag is EXCESSIVE (STD FFS....), Rendering is pathetic (LOL Ghost Installations) and 1.5 made it worse (LOL Phase-Dodging Infantry), and come 1.7 (2.5....) we shall have even less to work with (Thank IWS & Wolfman.....)

It takes a God-Tier Tanker to even manage any Gains, where a God-Tier Infantryman will indefinitely outshine regardless of situation, & even a Semi-Decent one @ that.....& with a whole lot more Flexibility I might add. You will NOT see even an Adept Tanker go ISK Positive....I assure you of this. Tankers are simply there to draw AGGRO so the CoDbois are forced out of their Element, & if even 1 of them is comfortable with dropping that AR for a sec then we lose ground fast. If I get an entire Squad to hunt me in the Redline & my Team of Blues make a Comeback.....I did my job. If I die ONCE.....back to the drawing board for 5-15 Games.

I have dabbled in damn near every Class & Build there is, & I assure you that the "Closed-Minded" one is not this guy *Points thumbs @ Self*

PS: I Hilighted a KEY POINT for LULZ

Go back to School kid.....you badly need it

I'm surprised they let someone so Mindless past Pre-Kindergarden......... The only thing we don't worry about are Handheld Ballistics (IE: AR, Sniper, Shotty). Even Flaylocks, Scrambler Rifles, Lazers & Mass Drivers contribute.....albeit small. Hitbox is huge, Acceleration is slow, Counter is Insta-Fire & Homing (FG, Swarm, AV Nade), Maps cater to AV & Infantry in general.....especially the new Sockets (Sky Scrapers, Platforms, Cubby Holes, Ridges, etc.). Our Turrets neither look Up nor Down past 35 & 10 Degrees respectively, we have no access to anything past STD except Turrets (FG Hurt Box is 1.5x Heavy Frame while Rail is 1/2 the Scout Frame btw....& AFG > ALL), a pebble in the road strips EHP, Terrain deviates Shots wildly, MAX of 20 Seconds in Combat (If minimal AV present) with a 45 Seconds to 1 Minute Downtime (If not Aggressively Suicidal...), NO "Aim-Assist" whatsoever, our Price Tag is EXCESSIVE (STD FFS....), Rendering is pathetic (LOL Ghost Installations) and 1.5 made it worse (LOL Phase-Dodging Infantry), and come 1.7 (2.5....) we shall have even less to work with (Thank IWS & Wolfman.....)

It takes a God-Tier Tanker to even manage any Gains, where a God-Tier Infantryman will indefinitely outshine regardless of situation, & even a Semi-Decent one @ that.....& with a whole lot more Flexibility I might add. You will NOT see even an Adept Tanker go ISK Positive....I assure you of this. Tankers are simply there to draw AGGRO so the CoDbois are forced out of their Element, & if even 1 of them is comfortable with dropping that AR for a sec then we lose ground fast. If I get an entire Squad to hunt me in the Redline & my Team of Blues make a Comeback.....I did my job. If I die ONCE.....back to the drawing board for 5-15 Games.

I have dabbled in damn near every Class & Build there is, & I assure you that the "Closed-Minded" one is not this guy *Points thumbs @ Self*

PS: I Hilighted a KEY POINT for LULZ

Go back to School kid.....you badly need it

Do it, go find posts where I say this should be more like call of duty
and I mean where I say exactly that, none of your butt hurt whining claiming that I want a cod clone because I say tanks should get blown up by one man and not safe cozy spot to keep your ass safe because you are scared to put boots to the ground

make tanks and vehicles weaker, we want this to be a call of duty, any vehicle pilot who opposes this is an idiot because they disagree with us, we don't want vehicles, we want to be lazy stupid ass grunts.

Irrelevant is hardly a stinging or meaningful comment, you too are irrelevant Ninja, where is my proof, facts, what does that even mean? Nothing really. If you are going to insult a man put some effort into it. Void is one of the best tankers in this game, if he cannot be pulling off consistent no loss matches then few other people would be able to match a similar standard, and what you just did there in your post is high light how incredibly powerful Swarm Launchers are, adding fodder to the old Tankers argument that there should not be such potent auto locking (now 2x DPS) damaging, and long range AV options.

As for you Checkmate

An infantry man should never take a tank 1 to 1 without having to make use of solid cover, and preparation, 2v1 doable, 3v1 easy. I am sorry but a player should never be able to strafe through tank rounds firing swarms as he does it. Swarmer's should be a long range/long locking AV option to take down armour tanks with high DPS once locked.

Don't even forget prior to becoming a tanker I was a damn good AVer

Your insults are like farts in the wind... I dont care,do your worst.

BUT STILL, you know what? You know WHY CCP will BALANCE tanks NOT buff them? =

Because Many tankers come to the forums to whine how UP tanks are. How Powerful AV weapons are.

BUT THE FACT IS: All these QQ in the forums IS NOT REFLECTED IN-GAME, where tanks most of the time do great and own a LOT. SPECIALLY in game modes as ambush

Unless you are a shield tanker, you can't seriously pretend i will believe that tanks are made of paper....

I never said he was not a Proficient Tanker.....I simply am tired of his incorrigible ignorance. This is the 3rd time he mistook me for a "CoDboi" on the Forum.....& he was in Internal Error (Negative Feedback) at the time of 2 of these "Infractions".......while I was an IMPERFECT..... So not only has he played both WITH & AGAINST me, he has succumbed to my Rail..... & yet.....even in this Thread, where I very clearly go against the OP, he pulls this S**T again??? & I'm the one "In the Wrong" here??? Mind you I'm @ 850 Mil ISK.....& I barely play 1 Day a Week anymore, yet I'm still high on the Leaderboards.....& more often than not play SOLO for the "Challenge". Ask any other Tanker how they are doing with ISK.....even Void, & see how the cards fall. Not "Tooting my Horn".....just tired of the BS, & setting an Example. My points were & are made.....you may have to Re-Read previous Posts in order to Comprehend.....

I don't like to directly insult people but you are a self righteous ass.

I wouldnt be mistaking you for a codboi if you wouldn't be quoting my posts then putting an insult at the bottom..... common sense.

also, after looking back at where you posted and the person that said all that, I do apologize but I again state that I lashed out at you because there was no mention in your post that you weren't attacking me, my name was in the quote and your response was directly after it.

I guess im getting really tired of all this bs from the game and from the forums..... I need to take a ******* break..

Duly noted, & you are a Misenterpreting Ignoramus. We can do this all day

Meh this has become personal Rant & Flame post. Im out.

As always a pleasure discussing AV/Tank stuff with you Adamance....

here you go.


block people from recalling., one of the tankers standing up to infantry double standards regarding infantry going 10/1 and tankers going 10/1, some idiot who complained about not being able to solo a veteran tanker with militia swarms, scrub wanting the vehicle recall system to be practically non existent because he doesnt know how to us AV, lukeboy and others expressing their intense hate for anything thats not infantry, someone wanting one of the only ways tankers survive to be illegal thus disregarding all vehicle survivability, ****** that doesnt understand the difference between a tank and a dropsuit, some random infantry scrub trying to turn tanks into killstreaks like in call of duty, one of you posting one of the worst ideas in our history.


there are TONS more where that came from, its all under different categories, but it all says the same thing:

Blindly Skimming Posts & responding to something you obviously responded to prior, under a different Poster.....while the following DIFFERENT TEXT displays Oppising Views, makes you a Blind Poster who does not think before he acts.....

I said show me where I said any of that
If you are going to accuse me personally have something then back it up with things Ive said, not things other people have said

What cover, it's Ambush, anywhere you go Infantry will be there within 1 minute of your location. The only cover is on the pillers, and you need dropships for that, and they get shot down by any squad with brains.

Your argument is that because tanks are supposedly UP, that gives them the right to abuse a game mode not designed for them? That makes no sense at all.

here you go.


block people from recalling., one of the tankers standing up to infantry double standards regarding infantry going 10/1 and tankers going 10/1, some idiot who complained about not being able to solo a veteran tanker with militia swarms, scrub wanting the vehicle recall system to be practically non existent because he doesnt know how to us AV, lukeboy and others expressing their intense hate for anything thats not infantry, someone wanting one of the only ways tankers survive to be illegal thus disregarding all vehicle survivability, ****** that doesnt understand the difference between a tank and a dropsuit, some random infantry scrub trying to turn tanks into killstreaks like in call of duty, one of you posting one of the worst ideas in our history.


there are TONS more where that came from, its all under different categories, but it all says the same thing:

ok i take back my apology you ignorant dumbass.

So have we agreed that if you get a no vehicle ambush we get a no AV skirmish/domination?