Why put TP out there? They couldn't field a full team if they wanted anymore lol

Actually - no one can. END OF DAYS?!?!?!

we can

Then why so small in PC? Go out there n party. Be the gods of a dead game.

I did one of these when i first started playing dust and i decided hey, why not bring this back?


a lot of things have happened in our happy home of Molden Heath.. so let's break this down. who are your top 5 corps in dust?


in order of stompage my realistic top 5 is:


1.Imperfects
2.TeamPlayers
3.Ancient Exiles
4.Ahrendee Mercenaries
5.0uter.Heaven


any disputes?

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few things wrong here...

A)Imperfects are dead. let it go.

B)AE beat TP.... Get over it.

C)lets play later.. so i can tell you how im rich

Imps are not dead, congrats AE finally got the best of a corp who had mostly already left the game..3 it ain't easy Impin also bf4

lol that argument is irrelevant since they had their full 16 in that battle as did AE and 75% fo the people their were rusty

I did one of these when i first started playing dust and i decided hey, why not bring this back?


a lot of things have happened in our happy home of Molden Heath.. so let's break this down. who are your top 5 corps in dust?


in order of stompage my realistic top 5 is:


1.Planetary Response Organization
2.TeamPlayers
3.Ancient Exiles
4.Ahrendee Mercenaries
5.0uter.Heaven


any disputes?

lol that argument is irrelevant since they had their full 16 in that battle as did AE and 75% fo the people their were rusty

Dust may be dying...

But anime will live forever!

Imps I will spam you unless you come to the darkside of bf4 beta tomorrow

1. 2GayGuys
2. PRO
3. Dust University
4. Bojo's School of the Trades
5. Sochs IV


They are just too strong to be compared to the rest of the corporations

u are all sadly mistaken the top 5 corps are.

1. Imps
3. Old hellstorm now AE
3. PFBHz
4. TP
5. RND

each of these corps have had their good and bad days as PC/Corp battles are concerned. some having better ones than others.

I did one of these when i first started playing dust and i decided hey, why not bring this back?


a lot of things have happened in our happy home of Molden Heath.. so let's break this down. who are your top 5 corps in dust?


in order of stompage my realistic top 5 is:


1.Ancient Exiles
2.TeamPlayers
3.What The French
4.Ahrendee Mercenaries
5.0uter.Heaven


any disputes?

This list is a joke. WTF and OH don't deserve to be anywhere near the top ten let alone top 5.

This is the most irrelevant thread in all of gaming. This game doesnt even exist.

sounds like someone is butthurt they just got raped

u are all sadly mistaken the top 5 corps are.

1. Imps
3. Old hellstorm now AE
3. PFBHz
4. TP
5. RND

each of these corps have had their good and bad days as PC/Corp battles are concerned. some having better ones than others.

Best now? it's AE, Whats left of TP...whoever else cause with most talent quitting everyone else left is worse than the OG player's levels.

All time?

Imps I mean, there's no question. They are still revered and feared.

PFBHz (I speculate they would have won vs Hellstorm if they persevered long enough for the game breaking lag fest to be fixed so that marauder and example and radar ring teams weren't impossible to defeat)
This also assumes that they could've coalesced into a 16 man team which never truly happened but just on chromosome antics alone I rank them 2nd. With the progression of imps leaving I think the respect between them would have inspiredany imps to bolster their fluffy friends. But just n their prior accomplishments, they were the only beta team to defeat the imps. They were feared for 5 months.

Teamplayers all time records aside I truly believe TP's post the PFB player influx became something truly special. From the live stream to demolishing outer heaven to hellstorms much anticipated a team to consistently defeating AE and denying them districts.

AE beat the best in the tourney. End of story. The core of which that broke from Hellstorm (read: carried) toppled PFBHz after closely losing to them in chrome for 300 mill (back when that was a **** ton of iskies to write home about). They maintain some of the most diehard players around. Just 5 of their best players combine for around 275k kills in game. More than more corporations....combined.

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STB in its heyday of the shotgun twins and more they placed 2nd in the tourney, defeated the challenge of cookiestein for 50 mill and held their planet soundly until the imps silenced the humbling ramblings of QG's assertion that STB's quantity of talent > imps quality talent. Shrewd has been the name of Stb's game since losing the best of their players. They still maintain their planet.

Runners up red*, synergy, Outer.heaven, RND, and seraphim initiative.

It's individual players (ranked in their roles) that I'd be interested to see from the community.

Me, the spinner, zdub303, tryhard, rug, whataguyttu, shotgun twins, radar, thagmor, dis, iced slayer, icddumppl, legend345, xerothebigboss, eclipse, syde keq, lionturtle, inhuman, fizzy, cy, james5955, slap26, hotchkiss, bobthecakeman, massivenine, steagle, pipies, jlongshot, piercing serenity, laz, LCB, Angel sunshine, gizmo.

Bunches of underrated players. And those are just the ones I remember

PFBHz (I speculate they would have won vs Hellstorm if they persevered long enough for the game breaking lag fest to be fixed so that marauder and example and radar ring teams weren't impossible to defeat)

Old Hellstorm got destroyed by TP's. this is invalid. But I do believe you may be trolling because we denied ya your districts :P

I don't know what our record is vs AE but I'm pretty sure even with the inactivity and the losses at the tourney we've still won more battles than they have in competition. Post PFB influx TP > Hellstorm and AE might I add till inactivity killed us although they proved in their wins they weren't behind us by any means.

and PFBHz destroyed TP. from the one battle we played in PC. the old hellstorm beat PFBHz 5 straight days in a row without a single win and even demolished the corp. i do think they deserve a rank higher than PFBHz. PFBHz just never had the glue to keep everyone together other than winning which as u saw did not last.

but like i said all these corps had their good times in bad. PFBHz might have been 2 if we didn't fall apart and we fought back.

but who knows it is just my opinion.

I did one of these when i first started playing dust and i decided hey, why not bring this back?


a lot of things have happened in our happy home of Molden Heath.. so let's break this down. who are your top 5 corps in dust?


in order of stompage my realistic top 5 is:


1.Ancient Exiles
2.TeamPlayers
3.What The French
4.Ahrendee Mercenaries
5.0uter.Heaven


any disputes?

Is there not a "Top 5 Worst Corps" deal? Cause since we aren't good enough to be on this list I figured we'd be bad enough to make it on that list.

A list is a list =S

I mean, not to be a **** or anything because WTF always 'brought gud fites', but IO at its peak (yes... full teams of IO) stomped all over WTF at their peak.

Obviously not saying IO should be on the list in any way, but it's always mindboggling when WTF gets pulled into these lists. Not to mention just about any pickup team of PC-vet EoN is on par with anything O.H puts together.

This thread is a joke as 90% of players in DUST have no loyalty and only stick with a corp/alliance as long as that corp/alliance is winning/farming. That's why I find EoN's claim to a community reaching past DUST a joke as there has been a ton of players filtered in and out back out of EoN and that is in just DUST alone.
Back on subject though, how can a corp that imploded (or otherwise got destroyed), such as IMPs even be ranked on a list of Top 5 corps in DUST? In my opinion, if it is truly a top corp especially of all time, it should of at least survived until now.

This thread is a joke as 90% of players in DUST have no loyalty and only stick with a corp/alliance as long as that corp/alliance is winning/farming. That's why I find EoN's claim to a community reaching past DUST a joke as there has been a ton of players filtered in and out back out of EoN and that is in just DUST alone.
Back on subject though, how can a corp that imploded (or otherwise got destroyed), such as IMPs even be ranked on a list of Top 5 corps in DUST? In my opinion, if it is truly a top corp especially of all time, it should of at least survived until now.

One match pre PFB influx vs teamplayers doesn't justify them being better than TP's overall. Technically because imps beat PFBHz and TP's beat imps your logic has no value at all.

PFBHz fell apart because they were grasping at straws trying to figure out how they weren't winning with people like tryhard going 12/8 and fizzy barely going positive. If they had come back after the lag had been fixed they would have been able to stop the exmaple, marauder, radar slaughter induced from not only skill but a lot of lagginess. Regardless 5 days of losses doesn't take away 5 months of accomplishments. Even in the hell storm war they never even cared enough to get the best on to fight it.


"Oh yeah hell storm they deserve a rank higher than everyone else" lolz.

The history speaks for itself whether TP's was better than Hellstorm. If you can justify posting that Hellstorm demolished PFBHz corp then it can also be said that we demolished Hellstorm.

This thread is a joke as 90% of players in DUST have no loyalty and only stick with a corp/alliance as long as that corp/alliance is winning/farming. That's why I find EoN's claim to a community reaching past DUST a joke as there has been a ton of players filtered in and out back out of EoN and that is in just DUST alone.
Back on subject though, how can a corp that imploded (or otherwise got destroyed), such as IMPs even be ranked on a list of Top 5 corps in DUST? In my opinion, if it is truly a top corp especially of all time, it should of at least survived until now.

Okay stb and syn they were here in closed beta soo and look in the top corps what do you see? IMPS accomplished the most and are rightfully #1 in dust even in retirement followed by TP then SyN, Rnd, STB

LOL that's a joke.

AllianceGëácorp. 0.H at their peak was easily top 3 in the game. with talents like..



me,AndreaSilverEyes,WetDreamz,Kohmplex,Radar R4D-47,Rexero,D3LTA Blitzkreig,Sick Demon,Nicholas Tekotch,Circus v47,Y0UR NAME HERE,Nakaya Indigne,iCon Sensamillia,TheLegend345,Johnny Merce,Grimmiers,theDark Templar,GetShotUp,Orlando Rez, BigBoibiggums, KaoticKrusader, WhataguyTTU, Reiselia, EyeMakerWet, Lightning xVx, TheArchon, Muffin Lover, Mr.Mustard, MagLives, Aqui, FunkMaster Whale, Kaughst, & Name York.


we took 3 planets and fought countless wars. we we even beat teamplayers a couple times. they are easily as good as any of the top 5 and deserve their spot.

Radar also deserves recognition for being able to keep over 70% of that list in his corp for as long as it's been. and through what 0.H has been through. i personally can't wait for them to start biting back because trust me, as an 0.H vet i plan to be there for EVERY battle.

Oh beat TP's all of about 3 times compared to many many more losses. We never lost once to them pre hell storm war, and lost once to them pre fec war and have no idea if we ever played them during the war to v oh but they never had even a 20% win rate vs us unlike AE who had something like a 35% win rate.

Unfortunately you would need to pick a time frame..

TP and AE now have so many Imp/PFB players in them both that its really hard to give either of them an identity.

Its painfully clear who the big performers in most games are though, the old imps... Reg, Alldin, Doc.. etc.. (kalante? where was he pre AE?).

Imperfects #1 for sure... probably for all time, despite the fact that the corp is long gone and never to return (sorry heim but you're wrong, the imps are gone for good I think we all know that).

PFB? Nah... they fell apart for the same reasons TP just lost the UF tourney... rust and lack of cohesion from diminished play time. I don't think they can actually qualify though as they never put up a consistent 16 players. They had an amazing 8 person 'A team' that was top in chrome but PFB as a whole never made it in PC so they dont deserve to be listed as a top corp at all imo. They had amazing players but never came together as a team before falling apart under the pressure of kujo and his crew.

tbh.. from my own experience.. TP at its height was #2... AE could not consistently beat us... period.. at least thats my opinion.

AE is a mix of the old hellstorm that stomped PFB... so Kujo and his crew would rank 3rd imo.

Followed by radar and OH for 4th, the only other team I struggled to compete against when TP was in its prime.

for 5th? I don't know... a lot of different corps could easily tie for 5th imo. (RND, Syn, Red*, IE, STB etc)

So that's my list at least, obviously completely and only my personal opinion.

1. Imperfects
2. Teamplayers
3. Ancient Exiles
4. 0uter.Heaven
5. someone im sure...

At this moment?

Yes AE on top probably... we're at a wierd point atm, most of the old super powers are leaving.. I guess this is an opportunity for new 'top corps' to rise from the ashes?

Umm I new Imps were dead when I came back its just I've known those homos for a while now and Imps were my first corp/clan in any game its just hard to believe their actually gone, don't worry I know they are gone and won't be back and if they ever do it will be without me

All I have to say is...PROTOMAN

All I have to say is...PROTOMAN

Protoman was is and always will be the best slayer

Protoman was is and always will be the best slayer

Protoman was is and always will be the best slayer

He was so beast i ran from him in my chromosome surya REAL TALK

Idk kalante but I know protoman I've fought with and against him so I know how good he is, not quite as good as me but hey no one is

0.H had it's share of problems which i call "Bunny Syndrome" which stopped alot of their success. but they were still easily one of the top corps to bless this game.


and if we're talking imps and PFBHz, then we have to bring UnReal into the mix as that is where most of the offspring for hellstorm came. though they have a few from imps and like 3 from pfb alot came form UnReal (including kalante) but all that happened wayy before PC and they were in hellstorm for like 4 months before the breakoff and they went to AE. now saying AE wasn't around too long is also false. as you can basically say that AE is hellstorm 2.0. Same leader. Same A-Team. Same ****. Different Day.


as for TP they were never really a factor until hellstorm tore PFBHz apart and they got an influx of so many new players including the "top ranked player" at the time, ReGnYuM.

cubs has done alot of work building that team, that's for sure.. but so has kujo. The losses never attributed to their leaving hellstorm. and you cannot truely count kujo leaving taking his A-team as TeamPlayers doing..

at the end of the day, when everything was on an even playing field, AE beat TP and that's fact..

Kalante is the guy that drops 30 k/ds in pc.

He went 30-1 vs RNd

40-5 vs SyN with TP ringers

34-5 vs RND again

21-0 vs some random corp I forgot.

23-4 vs TP

Just off the top of my head I remember

Hes the legend of the infantry

Unreal as a corp never succeeded or did anything of note. Sure it's where legend, exmaple, kale the, obj wan, and a few others hail from. Unreal went down as a cb dodging corp.

AE lost many more battles to us on even ground and even on not even ground (defeating them while Arirana glitched for 20+ kill games)

Fact is the record favors TP's until TP's quit. Simple as that. They are better now that our a team doesn't play. Our a teams faced off before and we consistently won. End of discussion. Unless you can justify why those wins shouldn't count. Which I would easily counter with my spiel I could concoct over why the tourney matches favored them with map side advantages, and when the maps repeated we didn't switch sides, their home points were on impenetrable. Ours weren't. They deserved the wins no doubt but even ground? I think they would fairly concede a side swap would have been more just. But that's ccps fail tourney.

Kalante > Protoman + Regnum + Aldin

Kalante > Rampage>Marauder

it's easily justafiable why those wins shouldn't count.


you won a war of clones. meaning you sent more clones then they could ever possibly had because every chance they would get to get a footing in PC (Through clone packs mind you) you guys would attack it the moment it was theirs. and just keep re-uping the attacks until it was flipped. you never let them grow nor succeed. you tried to squish them out of PC and kill the corp before it could even start. THAT is an uneven playing field since you owned 22% of molden heath and could send 450 clones to their doorstep each time.

Every attack sent gives 2 days or an extra 160 clone on top of w/e the district had. Meaning they had ample clones to win. We defended an attack 2 weeks ago from them where they sent over 300 clones. We simply won the 1st battle. Argument invalid. With less land they actually had the best they could get for every attack we threw. They still lost.

Want to paint this again in a way that makes sense? Keq threw more attacks at hell storm than we ever threw at any one corp. and they never flipped a district.

Every attack sent gives 2 days or an extra 160 clone on top of w/e the district had. Meaning they had ample clones to win. We defended an attack 2 weeks ago from them where they sent over 300 clones. We simply won the 1st battle. Argument invalid. With less land they actually had the best they could get for every attack we threw. They still lost.

Want to paint this again in a way that makes sense? Keq threw more attacks at hell storm than we ever threw at any one corp. and they never flipped a district.

Now might be a good time to come back to this after you've been a few hours off the weed ;)

Most matches in the tourney were decided by clones, but I never played a PC match where we attacked a district and clones them on the 1st attack. Considering I played 99% of all our matches until proof is provided otherwise my assertion stands definitive. And I have some photos of their losses if you want to count clones lost?


Keq >.< It sounded better when I typed it lol

Fixed

Not fair.. Including rampage is like giving our side a - infinity

1. Imps
2. TP
3. AE
4. HS
5. IE / R*

To say AE beat TP on an even playing field is completely false. AE beat TP for the exact same reason TP beat Imps. They just stopped giving a ****. Considering i've played on both sides of the fight & made it to probably every single one of the battles besides the tourney i'd probably know better than anyone how most the fights went. TP beat AE 75-80% of the time. Pretty comfortably. I'd say at least half of AE's wins over TP were from cloning TP in a battle that AE were getting stomped in. I FCed most of them for AE so i'd know. 4 points to our 1 on at least 3 occasions when we cloned them due to them having low clones to begin w/. Whilst I only remember TP cloning AE twice both occasions TP would of won regardless. TP's tourney roster hadn't been active for 3+ weeks in the build up to the finals & most the tourney matches they had to get on for were no shows. They weren't the same team who'd been facerolling every other corp in dust for these past few months. Funny how the only person bragging about the tourney win is someone who had absolutely **** all to do w/ it. You literally played no part in any of AE's tourney wins in any way shape or form & yet you rub it in everyone's faces that your corp won the tourney. You were too busy corp hopping to have dedicated yourself to any one team for the tourney. So grow the **** up & stop pretending like you have anything worth saying.

sounds like someone is pissed.


in regards to those battles where you were FCing and they got stomped. it sounds like bad tactics on your part and you should take some blame for that.

im not taking credit or anything the tourney team did or didn't do nor am i rubbing it in anyones face. I'm stating facts.

for someone who isn't on the tourney team you butthurt is strong. though im sure they would've done better if you were there, im sure AE would've as well if they were able to bring in kalante.

all IM arguing about is the PC matches in which AE couldn't take a break because of consistent bombardments from TP.

idk why your acting so pissed since we had a perfectly good conversation the other day.

and if i was so busy corp hopping why did i have my quarter-finals game... what tourney team were you on 13ear?...

oh that's right... AEs. guess it takes a corp hopper to know one.

Tactics are pretty simple once you know your enemy. it's merely the implementation by the team that's difficult which is why it takes time to get any cohesion going within a team.
As all the Imps + IE players that were in AE know - The one & only reason we were in AE was b/c AE was in N-F. We made the most of a bad situation for 2 sets of players & created AE in order to keep N-F alive. When N-F died so did my allegiance to AE. I left AE & retired to the Imps as i had no plans to continue playing Dust, that is until Sota told me about the 50+ PC battles a day over at EoN. & i just couldn't resist... we are mercs after all. I was only a part AE's tourney team b/c there was no one else to take the spot (2:30 AM's Far too late for me) + the fact Kujo asked me to be a team leader & fill in the last remaining slots before the cut off date. I've been in 5 corps since i started playing dust. 3 of which were N-F. I spent 6+ months in N-F & that's where my loyalty will always lie.

I can't believe I'm saying this :( but kujo not being there was a big reason why we lost I think

Back in HS we HEAVILY relied on kujo for FC. No one else really could FC unfortunately. We played TP without kujo FC in our 5th battle in HS and we did TERRIBLE. I think we got 4 capped out of 5 whole game. Where as with kujo it'd be a really close game.

Now that had changed. Kujo isn't on too much because of his job so we have had to adapt greatly. Whenever he is there tho we do even more awesomely :D

This thread is a joke as 90% of players in DUST have no loyalty and only stick with a corp/alliance as long as that corp/alliance is winning/farming. That's why I find EoN's claim to a community reaching past DUST a joke as there has been a ton of players filtered in and out back out of EoN and that is in just DUST alone.
Back on subject though, how can a corp that imploded (or otherwise got destroyed), such as IMPs even be ranked on a list of Top 5 corps in DUST? In my opinion, if it is truly a top corp especially of all time, it should of at least survived until now.

I did one of these when i first started playing dust and i decided hey, why not bring this back?


a lot of things have happened in our happy home of Molden Heath.. so let's break this down. who are your top 5 corps in dust?


in order of stompage my realistic top 5 is:


1.Ancient Exiles
2.TeamPlayers
3.What The French
4.Ahrendee Mercenaries
5.0uter.Heaven


any disputes?

*ahem*

Now as far as the top corps... It really does depend on the timeline.

As soon as PC came out it was
1. imps
2. HS
3 PFB
4. TP
5 SI/WTF/R*/SyN

After PFB got disbanded
1 Imps
2. TP/HS
3 TP/HS
4. ?
5,?

Don't really know because we both took in players from PFB and we never fought unfortunately.

After Imps left

1. Relunctantly I guess TP
2. HS
3 SyN
4 R*
5 ?

Now it's back to
1. AE
2 TP
3. ?
4. ?
5. ?

lol i don't even know if your purposely trying to **** people off or if you are really just clueless.

Can stb field 16 players consistently? If so they should be in the current top 5 I really don't know any other corps than can

Most matches in the tourney were decided by clones, but I never played a PC match where we attacked a district and clones them on the 1st attack. Considering I played 99% of all our matches until proof is provided otherwise my assertion stands definitive. And I have some photos of their losses if you want to count clones lost?


Keq >.< It sounded better when I typed it lol

1. Imps
2. TP
3. AE
4. HS
5. IE / R*

To say AE beat TP on an even playing field is completely false. AE beat TP for the exact same reason TP beat Imps. They just stopped giving a ****. Considering i've played on both sides of the fight & made it to probably every single one of the battles besides the tourney i'd probably know better than anyone how most the fights went. TP beat AE 75-80% of the time. Pretty comfortably. I'd say at least half of AE's wins over TP were from cloning TP in a battle that AE were getting stomped in. I FCed most of them for AE so i'd know. 4 points to our 1 on at least 3 occasions when we cloned them due to them having low clones to begin w/. Whilst I only remember TP cloning AE twice both occasions TP would of won regardless. TP's tourney roster hadn't been active for 3+ weeks in the build up to the finals & most the tourney matches they had to get on for were no shows. They weren't the same team who'd been facerolling every other corp in dust for these past few months. Funny how the only person bragging about the tourney win is someone who had absolutely **** all to do w/ it. You literally played no part in any of AE's tourney wins in any way shape or form & yet you rub it in everyone's faces that your corp won the tourney. You were too busy corp hopping to have dedicated yourself to any one team for the tourney. So grow the **** up & stop pretending like you have anything worth saying.

I can't believe I'm saying this :( but kujo not being there was a big reason why we lost I think

Back in HS we HEAVILY relied on kujo for FC. No one else really could FC unfortunately. We played TP without kujo FC in our 5th battle in HS and we did TERRIBLE. I think we got 4 capped out of 5 whole game. Where as with kujo it'd be a really close game.

Now that had changed. Kujo isn't on too much because of his job so we have had to adapt greatly. Whenever he is there tho we do even more awesomely :D

Idk kalante but I know protoman I've fought with and against him so I know how good he is, not quite as good as me but hey no one is

The 5 point map with towers was without kujo zatara. I remember clearly. We got owned that map. Kujo joined in late because he had company over and couldn't play.

And no in HS war we beat you 3 in a row. One on bridge, one on skyfire city and one on greenwall city. Don't bring such fallacy into this!

Yes we got beat by not guilty after we beat you guys 3 in a row. I remember cuz we were like... "wtf how did that happen?" Lol

We also lost to SyN once but was quickly overlooked when we beat them 2 or 3 times after that.

- All of this is before kujo and I left for RL stuff for this goes up till 2 - 3rd day of war.

As for after once AE was made, yeah we were getting beat quite a bit. However we were in a position that is similar to what you are in right now. We were essentially taking a break. We just got out of HS and joined a new corp. we had extreme activity problems. But we did what we could with who we had on. We did have to use a lot of ie ringers tho. As you probably saw when you played us.

Edit: Btw rampypoo, what was the number of pages on your old thread? We should see if we can beat it.

3in a row? Alls i remember was that the score before kujo left was 5-3. After he left...well it was murder. I'll check the records on the bridge map. I could have sworn you guys played us twice there back to back. Either way I will say its good when cubs isn't around we still perform. Obviously your FC seems to have been an integral part of the team.

And to the point about kujo joining late. That makes sense and I believe you. I remember thinking how uncharacteristic it is that kujo went 0/0 with less than 200 wps.

And the only ringers I remember was kale the before he joined and your alliance at the time in NF

So hs's record vs not guilty was just one match?

And their overall record vs synergy was mostly wins? Fair enough :)

So what's skyfire and green wall? Wtf >.<

Here. Let me just sum up the thread for those still taking part in this discussion.

Speaking for everyone who has replied with their top corp picks:
- EVERY DUST CORP I HAVE BEEN IN IS A TOP DUST CORP.
- IF I HAD ANY LOYALTY OR WAS WILLING TO WORK THROUGH MY LOSSES, THIS WOULD OF BEEN A WAY SHORTER DISCUSSION.
- EVEN THOUGH THIS IS A DISCUSSION ABOUT TOP CORPS, I NEED TO FOREMOST MAKE SURE MY NAME GETS RECOGNIZED AS A TOP PLAYER.

I think that about does it.

Whilst i agree the fact that AE's A team at the time was 90% HS it probably would of gone smoother if a HS player was FCing but for the most part we FCed together. For the first few weeks we both FCed making the same calls any FC would & trying our best to actually implement the plan we'd set out to beat TP. But we lost. The battles that were 3-4 AM for me & i obv. couldn't be barking out commands - Kujo FCed. We also lost them. The 3 times in which we were 3-4 capped but we cloned them were when Kujo was away for a week & i FCed those. This was at a time when we had yet to beat TP for the 3+ weeks AE had been up & running. I'm afraid whether i FCed or Kujo did they went the exact same way. The 4-5 we did win w/o cloning them were all on the bridge map & were all co-FCed by me + Kujo. As easy as it is to blame the FC for losing a 16v16 that simply wasn't the case, idk when you joined exactly but ik it wasn't for the first month at least. If you had been there from the start you'd of known it wasn't the FCing that was a problem it was merely our ability to work as a team, secure the high points early & consistently get uplinks down in good places. Fact is AE suffered a lot of losses to TP over the 7-8 weeks i was a director of AE. No one person's to blame for that... TP were just the superior team.

Yeah I wasn't there for the first month or so because I was on a family trip. However that does explain the little wins, I wasn't there

Btw please space it out next time... It hurts my eyes

And Zatara lol that's what we call the maps. Not sure what their real name is tho :/

We've discussed this AE #1 TP #2 Imps #3 as for top players its goes Heimdallr< Rampage< Protoman< Regnyum< Kalante
Non biased

fixed

Lol even in my mlt days I was still better than you...gota give me some love here

also for the top preformers thing, im sorry but kalante sh*ts on just about everyone's A-team. I've seen him go 2v1 against both alldin kan and ReGnYuM and walk away with most of his shields in tact.

i even heard he went 15/1 once in PC using all miilitia gear with a militia assault rifle.

anyone questioning if kalante is the #1 player in the game is either oblivious or in denial... BTW he came from UnReal but since he's been in hellstorm for so god damn long, and then went to AE after that, we'll just call him DJINN BackPack.

well to br fair you had like 12m sp when you were in mlt at least..... i had 4m.

There's no doubt protoman > the rest. Alldin's the best player on dust atm followed closely by kalente & reg. For best to ever play Almighty, metro, soul & reflex deserve a mention.

this entire thread is rather silly. You are trying to compare corps that dominated at different times.

Zdub said it well, but you are attempting to compare Marciano to Ali to Tyson

all the BEST in their time.

now we all speculate who would be the best if they all faced each other in their prime, so its pure speculation.

you can use random facts, like bunnies beat TEAM once, or TEAM beat Imps once, etc etc.

or you can sit back and look at the reign of each corp at the top of their game and attempt to compare.

For me this is not an easy task, as I have seen most come up and go down in succession.

I would still agree as it stands, Imps were #1 ( in a different time and place we might have challenged that, but there was no overlap in our times so the world will never know. I have them the ranking by default as there is nothing to prove it otherwise).

I would say TEAM was #2. we had a high learning curve, and our early loss to Bunnies was a catalyst for our fast-track to success. They dominated most the match, yet we came back and made it close. learned a lot in 20 minutes that helped shape the next 3 1/2 months. We beat Imps (lets face it, it was technically Imps, but not their A team. I faced their A team with STB so I can make such statements) Flat out BEAT down all other teams we faced. SI and WTF would occasionally bring good matches, and O.H. with their FOTM flaylocks always kept things interesting. We never faced SyN nor RND A team, but AE/HS whatnot... close also during FOTM flaylock and always good matches, but were controlled almost all the time (bridge map excluded as you definitely hold the head to head advantage on that 1 map)

Ahrendee is the obvious #3 imo. They dominated everyone and held it down for a good amount of time. Them along with SyN often get overlooked because TEAM took center stage in EoN. all the while they dominated all their opponents.

Based on the rest, I would say the current AE has displayed the dominance of 1 and 2, however in a time where competition level is at an all time low, so its difficult to judge, but they are deserving of top 5.

and the final spot is a huge tossup. O.H. is deserving of mention, as well as SI. Yes believe it or not at their peak SI was a top 5 corp. EU lag the reason why? poor excuse for everyone and you know it. When they were at the top of their game and peak activity Seraphim was a force that could never be overlooked. The other would be Synergy, who at their peak were as equally dominant as any on the list.


Others that would round out a 'top 10' would be WTF, Pro Hic and likely KEQ or Red Star

keep in mind this ranking is based on gameplay since uprising dropped (5/14)

Is still not a good ranking because even in uprising we have gone through 'phases' and FOTM weapons that many teams have adapted into their gameplay and helped them be more dominant than they normally would.

AE currently has the most active numbers of the higher-tier players, and thus have reached the top.

but AE doesn't dominate.. really anyone. Sure they dominate the team with an average of 5M SP/person, but then again so does all other established corps.

so considering them #1 on any 'all-time' list is just biased to anyone who says it.

they are #1 NOW, and thus in the short history of this game many will place them in that 'top 5' all time

either way October 2013 AE is on top

well, i think there is only one true way to settle this since their is obviously some doubts with the tourney.

CUBS get your A-team on and we'll get ours (That is WITH Kalante this time ;)) and we'll see who truely holds the #1 spot once and for all. i think this is fair and should happen. it's all in good fun and will put everyone's opinion to rest since obviously both sides of this conversation are SUPER biased.

and saying protoman is the best player of all time. although he was good and i mean really good he wasn't better than ReGnYuM. and although reg was really good, he was no where near kalante. and im 100% positive that kalante is #1 in the game in both tactics and gun game. i've seen kalante v. regnyum 1v1 in chrome and... it was no competition. that is with the huge skill point gap advantage ReGnYuM had.

good luck with that, 20% of my guys have deleted dust to make room for their BF4 beta.

as I said.. there is no way to ever know, so good luck getting people off other games they enjoy. Running a crew for over 7 years now has taught me 1 thing, you cant force people to get on a certain game and play, they have to want to or you are just wasting everyone's time

where you get 'biased'? read my post I already told you that right now, you guys are #1.

as for all-time, a match right now would also mean nothing. It equates to George Foreman at age 40 coming out to fight whilst living in the past...

Regnum is on battlefield, go hit him up :P

this entire thread is rather silly. You are trying to compare corps that dominated at different times.

Zdub said it well, but you are attempting to compare Marciano to Ali to Tyson

all the BEST in their time.

now we all speculate who would be the best if they all faced each other in their prime, so its pure speculation.

you can use random facts, like bunnies beat TEAM once, or TEAM beat Imps once, etc etc.

or you can sit back and look at the reign of each corp at the top of their game and attempt to compare.

For me this is not an easy task, as I have seen most come up and go down in succession.

I would still agree as it stands, Imps were #1 ( in a different time and place we might have challenged that, but there was no overlap in our times so the world will never know. I have them the ranking by default as there is nothing to prove it otherwise).

I would say TEAM was #2. we had a high learning curve, and our early loss to Bunnies was a catalyst for our fast-track to success. They dominated most the match, yet we came back and made it close. learned a lot in 20 minutes that helped shape the next 3 1/2 months. We beat Imps (lets face it, it was technically Imps, but not their A team. I faced their A team with STB so I can make such statements) Flat out BEAT down all other teams we faced. SI and WTF would occasionally bring good matches, and O.H. with their FOTM flaylocks always kept things interesting. We never faced SyN nor RND A team, but AE/HS whatnot... close also during FOTM flaylock and always good matches, but were controlled almost all the time (bridge map excluded as you definitely hold the head to head advantage on that 1 map)

Ahrendee is the obvious #3 imo. They dominated everyone and held it down for a good amount of time. Them along with SyN often get overlooked because TEAM took center stage in EoN. all the while they dominated all their opponents.

Based on the rest, I would say the current AE has displayed the dominance of 1 and 2, however in a time where competition level is at an all time low, so its difficult to judge, but they are deserving of top 5.

and the final spot is a huge tossup. O.H. is deserving of mention, as well as SI. Yes believe it or not at their peak SI was a top 5 corp. EU lag the reason why? poor excuse for everyone and you know it. When they were at the top of their game and peak activity Seraphim was a force that could never be overlooked. The other would be Synergy, who at their peak were as equally dominant as any on the list.


Others that would round out a 'top 10' would be WTF, Pro Hic and likely KEQ or Red Star

keep in mind this ranking is based on gameplay since uprising dropped (5/14)

Is still not a good ranking because even in uprising we have gone through 'phases' and FOTM weapons that many teams have adapted into their gameplay and helped them be more dominant than they normally would.

AE currently has the most active numbers of the higher-tier players, and thus have reached the top.

but AE doesn't dominate.. really anyone. Sure they dominate the team with an average of 5M SP/person, but then again so does all other established corps.

so considering them #1 on any 'all-time' list is just biased to anyone who says it.

they are #1 NOW, and thus in the short history of this game many will place them in that 'top 5' all time

either way October 2013 AE is on top

where you get 'biased'? read my post I already told you that right now, you guys are #1.

as for all-time, a match right now would also mean nothing. It equates to George Foreman at age 40 coming out to fight whilst living in the past...

Regnum is on battlefield, go hit him up :P

Kalante is the guy that drops 30 k/ds in pc.

He went 30-1 vs RNd

40-5 vs SyN with TP ringers

34-5 vs RND again

21-0 vs some random corp I forgot.

23-4 vs TP

Just off the top of my head I remember

when did kalante drop 40-5?

#1 IMPS
#2 HS/AE
#3 TeamPlayers
#4 SI
#5 What The French/GAC/0.H/PFBHz/I.E

lol
PFB > SI, GAC, WTF, OH but also ppl gotta keep in mind PFB never had alot of depth
PFB main problem was playing for e-rep during 8v8s and not playing an giving ppl the cb experience they needed.
Everyone will tell u that we all forsaw PFB running into issues with 16v16 when the same 8-12 ppl always played in their cbs out of a roster of over 200.
When u toss those other ppl in that had minimal to no cb experience into those PC matches it was gonna be problems.

HS did just like IE and SyN did and made sure everyone got rotated for the necessary play time thats why HS was able to take apart PFB in 16v16.

Also considering we dominate SI, WTF, GAC its lulzy to see ppl still overlooking us, quite amusing cuz the WLR between us and SI/WTF/GAC is not even close this is what happens when ppl lackin knowledge of all cbs that happened make assumptions on top 5 corps.

funny thing if ppl knew our record vs some of the corps they always mention im sure their tune will change

I'm still the best player

Idk. Protoman stood out as the greatest when this game had a huge no. Of great slayers. Standing out as a slayer at this point means nothing there's only a handful of good players & v. Few truly great players left. Most of us get between 15-30 kills in PC now so it doesn't mean anything. Regnum, protoman, almighty, alldin & myself have always MVPd w/ loads of kills even when there was actual competition... To get a good KDR in PC at this point is to be expected of slayers. If you were doing it in an AE vs TP battle then maybe. But I only remember me, alldin, regnum & occasionally soul ever dropping 20+ in those fights.

yeah... anyways, PFB over no one. they took one step into PC and got dominated for that very reason while all of the corps you put over them did extremely well.

I have honestly never played against a full team of SyN and that is about 30-40 battles deep against them.

ummm dont think u have ever played 30-40 battles vs us at all.
LoI war wasnt 30-40 battles and never saw u during cronos war so yea that number is a little high cuz if we were fighting 30-40 battles post LoI we'd have alot more districts than the 13 i kept us at.

fact is we didnt attack that much after cronos cuz the ppl in PC would of gotten rolled. only time ppl came out retirement was to fight HS and that ended in 4 days so back to vacation time after that.

good luck with that, 20% of my guys have deleted dust to make room for their BF4 beta.

as I said.. there is no way to ever know, so good luck getting people off other games they enjoy. Running a crew for over 7 years now has taught me 1 thing, you cant force people to get on a certain game and play, they have to want to or you are just wasting everyone's time

Pretty much... The old PC stomping A-team of old has moved on. With the tournament over I don't forsee a lot of people logging back in until Dust has moved to a new platform (be that PS4 or PC).

guess we'll be trillionaires with 100% of molden heath by the time we see you guys again :D

lol
PFB > SI, GAC, WTF, OH but also ppl gotta keep in mind PFB never had alot of depth
PFB main problem was playing for e-rep during 8v8s and not playing an giving ppl the cb experience they needed.
Everyone will tell u that we all forsaw PFB running into issues with 16v16 when the same 8-12 ppl always played in their cbs out of a roster of over 200.
When u toss those other ppl in that had minimal to no cb experience into those PC matches it was gonna be problems.

HS did just like IE and SyN did and made sure everyone got rotated for the necessary play time thats why HS was able to take apart PFB in 16v16.

Also considering we dominate SI, WTF, GAC its lulzy to see ppl still overlooking us, quite amusing cuz the WLR between us and SI/WTF/GAC is not even close this is what happens when ppl lackin knowledge of all cbs that happened make assumptions on top 5 corps.

funny thing if ppl knew our record vs some of the corps they always mention im sure their tune will change

All time talent in one place?
1) Unreal
2)Imperfects
3)Hellstorm - Going into PC... The talent pool they had was immense.. (They didn't have that drive though *semi quote*)
4)Teamplayers - After the assimilation of several A-team players from Eon corp's and out.
5)Ancient Exiles - Cuz im biased ;_;

I've said it to people... When Eon was first getting it's leg's SyN had the rep as the Top corp within alliance. I haven't seen the player names that gave them that rep other then 3-4 for over 3 months.

Even Not Guilty in our prime went 36 matches straight from PC start without a loss, Losses in general when I was there could be counted on one hand for patches and patches. And facing harder PC's then I've fought for month's.

Eon became strong through adversity because we where singled out and attacked from so many directions while engaging the entity that was active during the first come first serve start of PC. We just wanted a place to put our flag at the start and it was like hitting a bee-hive. PC's nonstop from morning until morning everyday for month's...

Teamplayers always had that stable leadership and dedication to DUST that it became a center beacon for people who still wanted to be competitive in DUST while their corporations crumbled around them due to politic's/inactivity.

Much what I've enjoyed through playing with AE is the same as the thrill of Eon in it's early inception. The adversity of being the little guy and coming up, i just wish it was under circumstances where everyone wasn't covered in rust and bitterness of the game to have the level of competition enjoyable again.

This this post. Sorry Bethy but I completely disagree. Unreal never was a powerhouse of talent the way Outer.Heaven was. Even seraphim had more talent than unreal. Imps > all other for talent. PFB >all other next to Outer.Heaven and Imps in talent.

All time talent in one place Imho:

Imps
Outer.Heaven
PFBHz
TP's
AE

Hellstorm never had that much depth, hence using OH and ML ringers (including shutterfly) during the PFB war.

Now Hellstorm + PFB influx including gizmo and angel had more depth, about 20 solid players. but never nearly as much as TP's, AE, OH, PFBHz, or Imps.

I can easily name 30 players from each of those corps off the top of my head. name 30 players from Hellstorm pre PFB influx...

then you sir have bad memory, i've never seen kalante go sub 20 in PC and even in chromosome kalante was one of the greatest. only reason he wasn't recognized as one is because e never talked and ddn't really care for recognition. the people saying he is only now good are delusional. Kalante has ALWAYS been and will ALWAYS be a beast. im going to have to convince him to throw up some of his scores and videos post-chrome and after.

he easily takes the cake for #1 player in the game.. period.

then you sir have bad memory, i've never seen kalante go sub 20 in PC and even in chromosome kalante was one of the greatest. only reason he wasn't recognized as one is because e never talked and ddn't really care for recognition. the people saying he is only now good are delusional. Kalante has ALWAYS been and will ALWAYS be a beast. im going to have to convince him to throw up some of his scores and videos post-chrome and after.

he easily takes the cake for #1 player in the game.. period.

Well yeah kalente's clearly a very skilled player but I myself have only faced him 2-3x Like i said : raping face at this point means v. Little w/ PC matches feeling more like pub stomps than competitive matches. I'd never heard of him until kujo told me he was a beast & as you know HS's one of the only corps N-F never faced in PC. I think having those 20-40 kill games are only relevant if it was vs an equally skilled corp. How often is kalente dropping 30+ kills on the losing side of a battle? You can't really say he's the best to ever play dust w/o a doubt when kalente has only been thought of as a great player by anyone outside of HS since all the talent left the game.

Facts are this conversation is over and rampage trolling with the insinuations HS was ever a top 5 team in dust is lolz as previously stated they never played the best pfbhz had to offer, and the team they played was like AE playing TP's in the tourney. They hadn't been playing for weeks, never had a single match with even half the team being a-team and the lag in pc then was lolz which made scouts undeniably OP. Trolololing will be ignored on that topic. Everyone involved knows the truth.


I have Kalente on the losing side for AE and he was sub 20 kills. I think he had 13. I had 11. Regnyum had 18.

Regnyum > Kalente until I see a thunderdome match otherwise. You can speak all you want about how good Kalente is and I happen to agree he's #3, #2 AR. but Alldin being in the top 5 for practically every role INCLUDING COMMANDO > Kalente being #2 in ar (#1 if I see a thunderdome upset against Regnyum.) Hit him up cause until...I'm not buying. Although I am paying...lemme get on dust since I'm home now :P

I will say this Kalente did drop like 27 kills in the win he played against us on a district about a month ago...but that was when all we had left of our a-team fought them with general john ripper and reiselia combining over 2 games for like 2.5k wp's and like 15kills to 45 deaths.

Kalente must play Regnyum for the official title. All is speculation until then.

^^This needs to happen.. kalante. ReGnYuM. thunder dome.

i have a feeling this whole conversation will always be biased and one-sided but hey, it was fun while it lasted. i love remaking this thread for the lulz and i will probobly make this an every 6 month event... 8v8 PFBHz won twice and with reason PFBHz easily had the best 8v8 team in the game. but we all knew coming into 16v16 they had an issue which was exploited by HS.



wait... im getting paid?

Did you know that Kujo himself admitted that despite PFBHz definitely being creamed (although the games with 2 exceptions *both of which I didn't play one on Satuday, one on Tuesday(?)* were always close), we actually got the district down to 11 clones but this was before they fixed OB's as well and 3 of ours did nothing Kujo actually admitted here in a thread that if the clones had been 150 v 150, HS would have been cloned in 2 of the battles? 2-7 battles had clones been equal. THat's worthy of mention. I'm logging on now to pay you :P

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This this post. Sorry Bethy but I completely disagree. Unreal never was a powerhouse of talent the way Outer.Heaven was. Even seraphim had more talent than unreal. Imps > all other for talent. PFB >all other next to Outer.Heaven and Imps in talent.

All time talent in one place Imho:

Imps
Outer.Heaven
PFBHz
TP's
AE

Hellstorm never had that much depth, hence using OH and ML ringers (including shutterfly) during the PFB war.

Now Hellstorm + PFB influx including gizmo and angel had more depth, about 20 solid players. but never nearly as much as TP's, AE, OH, PFBHz, or Imps.

I can easily name 30 players from each of those corps off the top of my head. name 30 players from Hellstorm pre PFB influx...

Sorry Never lost to O.H under Sponge or Chaos.. don't think I did in AE either. Maybe Biased? meh...

Remember NG lost about 10 or more of our A-team to OH as well as some other corp's due to Radar's charm

Hellstorm during League of infamy yah..they even banned us from using contact nades and flaylocks... So... speaks loads.. ahahah I remember Chaos dieing to a contact nade and everyone of us pulled out flaylock's and we got like a total of a 68 mails by the end of the match between all of us.

But Hellstorm was a threat coming into PC it was consensus around the alliance not for any single squad but for their depth. You can just look around and see who came out of it and who is even still there.

Unreal is simple. And anyone around those day's knew's they had the best up coming talent in DUST... This was a very active time, so a lot of players where still around. Obviously there was still corp battle numbers for competition but it was a very active time for DUST. Their players can be tracked across influential Corp's and politic's and top 5's on most Merc's list's for their respective class's.

Their record will stand the test of time for a long time. The ability to win matches even against your top's was uncanny.

SI yet again... We fought them for almost 2 month's straight before we had a loss to them. When we finally did it was a mix of A-Team players from SI, WTF, GAC... during their TZ. so.. biased?.. yes. cant help my opinion.( and that was a good match they deserved the win, GG guys)

i was in betamax during the cronos war so... yeah, i was there.

So many of our orbitals were worthless. I remember dropping 1 on C with at least half Hellstorms team on it and getting like 1 kill. It would have won us the match had it worked imo.

We all remember, don't we? Those still around can attest to the throwback truth's I'm dropping for the general public to digest.

PFBHz > everyone because I was pink and fluffy!!

Best corp names of the most competitive corps

1: Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
2: Imperfects
3: Seraphim Initiative
4: What The French
5: Murder Cakes of Doom


AE, SyN, Red*, Cafe, Not Guilty, Pure Innocence, BHD, KEQ, ML, WR's, SI, MCC, Betamax, OSG, GM, SD, none of these lame corps had a really cool ass name. Even TeamPlayers is just lame compared to my list.

We all remember, don't we? Those still around can attest to the throwback truth's I'm dropping for the general public to digest.

PFBHz > everyone because I was pink and fluffy!!

Best corp names of the most competitive corps

1: Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
2: Imperfects
3: Seraphim Initiative
4: What The French
5: Murder Cakes of Doom


AE, SyN, Red*, Cafe, Not Guilty, Pure Innocence, BHD, KEQ, ML, WR's, SI, MCC, Betamax, OSG, GM, SD, none of these lame corps had a really cool ass name. Even TeamPlayers is just lame compared to my list.

We all remember, don't we? Those still around can attest to the throwback truth's I'm dropping for the general public to digest.

PFBHz > everyone because I was pink and fluffy!!

Best corp names of the most competitive corps

1: Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
2: Imperfects
3: Seraphim Initiative
4: What The French
5: Murder Cakes of Doom


AE, SyN, Red*, Cafe, Not Guilty, Pure Innocence, BHD, KEQ, ML, WR's, SI, MCC, Betamax, OSG, GM, SD, none of these lame corps had a really cool ass name. Even TeamPlayers is just lame compared to my list.

See you defend Unreals talent using their records once Unreal was dead and gone....and not what they themselves accomplished while the players were there's.

O.H. had tons of talented players. but were never in the top 3 corps of dust.

Hellstorm never had depth and I ask for proof that they did. If you can name 25 talented players they had to draw from pre pfbhz influx I'll change my opinion but I know they didn't have depth, they had a very concerted amount of talent in about 10 players.

Underline 1: Where is this coming from? are you challenging O.H. placement on my list of talent because they lost battles?
Number of talent does not mean they had a winning record. far from it, despite their talent O.H. has never become what their talent should warrant they could have.

You can look at pfbhz and imps and find more of their talent around influencing the top 5 in their positions than you can unreal. no doubt. Unreal had 10 excellent players.

Imps and O.H. and PFBHz had many many many more.

25? Hmm... Me, obi, kujo, soul, kalante, gem, broadway, bigboi, pun, undead, mark, Phoenix, maple, squagga, that one dual flaylock guy, Kira, Lipton, maestro, serious issues, that one FG we had... Umm cant remember, symbiotic forks, appia. Monkey, RL , Not 25 :(

But Did TP have 25 before the PFB influx? If so who?

See you defend Unreals talent using their records once Unreal was dead and gone....and not what they themselves accomplished while the players were there's.

O.H. had tons of talented players. but were never in the top 3 corps of dust.

Hellstorm never had depth and I ask for proof that they did. If you can name 25 talented players they had to draw from pre pfbhz influx I'll change my opinion but I know they didn't have depth, they had a very concerted amount of talent in about 10 players.

Underline 1: Where is this coming from? are you challenging O.H. placement on my list of talent because they lost battles?
Number of talent does not mean they had a winning record. far from it, despite their talent O.H. has never become what their talent should warrant they could have.

You can look at pfbhz and imps and find more of their talent around influencing the top 5 in their positions than you can unreal. no doubt. Unreal had 10 excellent players.

Imps and O.H. and PFBHz had many many many more.

25? Hmm... Me, obi, kujo, soul, kalante, gem, broadway, bigboi, pun, undead, mark, Phoenix, maple, squagga, shilzy, Kira, Lipton, maestro, serious issues, that one FG we had... Umm cant remember, symbiotic forks, appia. Monkey, RL , Not 25 :( Hey Scotty Jesus Man

But Did TP have 25 before the PFB influx? If so who?

25? Hmm... Me, obi, kujo, soul, kalante, gem, broadway, bigboi, pun, undead, mark, Phoenix, maple, squagga, fundies, Kira, Lipton, maestro, serious issues, that one FG we had... Umm cant remember, symbiotic forks, appia. Monkey, RL , Not 25 :(

But Did TP have 25 before the PFB influx? If so who?