u are all sadly mistaken the top 5 corps are.

1. Imps
3. Old hellstorm now AE
3. PFBHz
4. TP
5. RND

each of these corps have had their good and bad days as PC/Corp battles are concerned. some having better ones than others.

and PFBHz destroyed TP. from the one battle we played in PC. the old hellstorm beat PFBHz 5 straight days in a row without a single win and even demolished the corp. i do think they deserve a rank higher than PFBHz. PFBHz just never had the glue to keep everyone together other than winning which as u saw did not last.

but like i said all these corps had their good times in bad. PFBHz might have been 2 if we didn't fall apart and we fought back.

but who knows it is just my opinion.

AllianceGëácorp. 0.H at their peak was easily top 3 in the game. with talents like..



me,AndreaSilverEyes,WetDreamz,Kohmplex,Radar R4D-47,Rexero,D3LTA Blitzkreig,Sick Demon,Nicholas Tekotch,Circus v47,Y0UR NAME HERE,Nakaya Indigne,iCon Sensamillia,TheLegend345,Johnny Merce,Grimmiers,theDark Templar,GetShotUp,Orlando Rez, BigBoibiggums, KaoticKrusader, WhataguyTTU, Reiselia, EyeMakerWet, Lightning xVx, TheArchon, Muffin Lover, Mr.Mustard, MagLives, Aqui, FunkMaster Whale, Kaughst, & Name York.


we took 3 planets and fought countless wars. we we even beat teamplayers a couple times. they are easily as good as any of the top 5 and deserve their spot.

Radar also deserves recognition for being able to keep over 70% of that list in his corp for as long as it's been. and through what 0.H has been through. i personally can't wait for them to start biting back because trust me, as an 0.H vet i plan to be there for EVERY battle.

0.H had it's share of problems which i call "Bunny Syndrome" which stopped alot of their success. but they were still easily one of the top corps to bless this game.


and if we're talking imps and PFBHz, then we have to bring UnReal into the mix as that is where most of the offspring for hellstorm came. though they have a few from imps and like 3 from pfb alot came form UnReal (including kalante) but all that happened wayy before PC and they were in hellstorm for like 4 months before the breakoff and they went to AE. now saying AE wasn't around too long is also false. as you can basically say that AE is hellstorm 2.0. Same leader. Same A-Team. Same ****. Different Day.


as for TP they were never really a factor until hellstorm tore PFBHz apart and they got an influx of so many new players including the "top ranked player" at the time, ReGnYuM.

cubs has done alot of work building that team, that's for sure.. but so has kujo. The losses never attributed to their leaving hellstorm. and you cannot truely count kujo leaving taking his A-team as TeamPlayers doing..

at the end of the day, when everything was on an even playing field, AE beat TP and that's fact..

Hes the legend of the infantry

it's easily justafiable why those wins shouldn't count.


you won a war of clones. meaning you sent more clones then they could ever possibly had because every chance they would get to get a footing in PC (Through clone packs mind you) you guys would attack it the moment it was theirs. and just keep re-uping the attacks until it was flipped. you never let them grow nor succeed. you tried to squish them out of PC and kill the corp before it could even start. THAT is an uneven playing field since you owned 22% of molden heath and could send 450 clones to their doorstep each time.

The 5 point map with towers was without kujo zatara. I remember clearly. We got owned that map. Kujo joined in late because he had company over and couldn't play.

And no in HS war we beat you 3 in a row. One on bridge, one on skyfire city and one on greenwall city. Don't bring such fallacy into this!

Yes we got beat by not guilty after we beat you guys 3 in a row. I remember cuz we were like... "wtf how did that happen?" Lol

We also lost to SyN once but was quickly overlooked when we beat them 2 or 3 times after that.

- All of this is before kujo and I left for RL stuff for this goes up till 2 - 3rd day of war.

As for after once AE was made, yeah we were getting beat quite a bit. However we were in a position that is similar to what you are in right now. We were essentially taking a break. We just got out of HS and joined a new corp. we had extreme activity problems. But we did what we could with who we had on. We did have to use a lot of ie ringers tho. As you probably saw when you played us.

Edit: Btw rampypoo, what was the number of pages on your old thread? We should see if we can beat it.

All time talent in one place?
1) Unreal
2)Imperfects
3)Hellstorm - Going into PC... The talent pool they had was immense.. (They didn't have that drive though *semi quote*)
4)Teamplayers - After the assimilation of several A-team players from Eon corp's and out.
5)Ancient Exiles - Cuz im biased ;_;

I've said it to people... When Eon was first getting it's leg's SyN had the rep as the Top corp within alliance. I haven't seen the player names that gave them that rep other then 3-4 for over 3 months.

Even Not Guilty in our prime went 36 matches straight from PC start without a loss, Losses in general when I was there could be counted on one hand for patches and patches. And facing harder PC's then I've fought for month's.

Eon became strong through adversity because we where singled out and attacked from so many directions while engaging the entity that was active during the first come first serve start of PC. We just wanted a place to put our flag at the start and it was like hitting a bee-hive. PC's nonstop from morning until morning everyday for month's...

Teamplayers always had that stable leadership and dedication to DUST that it became a center beacon for people who still wanted to be competitive in DUST while their corporations crumbled around them due to politic's/inactivity.

Much what I've enjoyed through playing with AE is the same as the thrill of Eon in it's early inception. The adversity of being the little guy and coming up, i just wish it was under circumstances where everyone wasn't covered in rust and bitterness of the game to have the level of competition enjoyable again.

then you sir have bad memory, i've never seen kalante go sub 20 in PC and even in chromosome kalante was one of the greatest. only reason he wasn't recognized as one is because e never talked and ddn't really care for recognition. the people saying he is only now good are delusional. Kalante has ALWAYS been and will ALWAYS be a beast. im going to have to convince him to throw up some of his scores and videos post-chrome and after.

he easily takes the cake for #1 player in the game.. period.

Well yeah kalente's clearly a very skilled player but I myself have only faced him 2-3x Like i said : raping face at this point means v. Little w/ PC matches feeling more like pub stomps than competitive matches. I'd never heard of him until kujo told me he was a beast & as you know HS's one of the only corps N-F never faced in PC. I think having those 20-40 kill games are only relevant if it was vs an equally skilled corp. How often is kalente dropping 30+ kills on the losing side of a battle? You can't really say he's the best to ever play dust w/o a doubt when kalente has only been thought of as a great player by anyone outside of HS since all the talent left the game.

^^This needs to happen.. kalante. ReGnYuM. thunder dome.

i have a feeling this whole conversation will always be biased and one-sided but hey, it was fun while it lasted. i love remaking this thread for the lulz and i will probobly make this an every 6 month event... 8v8 PFBHz won twice and with reason PFBHz easily had the best 8v8 team in the game. but we all knew coming into 16v16 they had an issue which was exploited by HS.



wait... im getting paid?

Sorry Never lost to O.H under Sponge or Chaos.. don't think I did in AE either. Maybe Biased? meh...

Remember NG lost about 10 or more of our A-team to OH as well as some other corp's due to Radar's charm

Hellstorm during League of infamy yah..they even banned us from using contact nades and flaylocks... So... speaks loads.. ahahah I remember Chaos dieing to a contact nade and everyone of us pulled out flaylock's and we got like a total of a 68 mails by the end of the match between all of us.

But Hellstorm was a threat coming into PC it was consensus around the alliance not for any single squad but for their depth. You can just look around and see who came out of it and who is even still there.

Unreal is simple. And anyone around those day's knew's they had the best up coming talent in DUST... This was a very active time, so a lot of players where still around. Obviously there was still corp battle numbers for competition but it was a very active time for DUST. Their players can be tracked across influential Corp's and politic's and top 5's on most Merc's list's for their respective class's.

Their record will stand the test of time for a long time. The ability to win matches even against your top's was uncanny.

SI yet again... We fought them for almost 2 month's straight before we had a loss to them. When we finally did it was a mix of A-Team players from SI, WTF, GAC... during their TZ. so.. biased?.. yes. cant help my opinion.( and that was a good match they deserved the win, GG guys)

So many of our orbitals were worthless. I remember dropping 1 on C with at least half Hellstorms team on it and getting like 1 kill. It would have won us the match had it worked imo.

25? Hmm... Me, obi, kujo, soul, kalante, gem, broadway, bigboi, pun, undead, mark, Phoenix, maple, squagga, shilzy, Kira, Lipton, maestro, serious issues, that one FG we had... Umm cant remember, symbiotic forks, appia. Monkey, RL , Not 25 :( Hey Scotty Jesus Man

But Did TP have 25 before the PFB influx? If so who?

I guess neither of us had great depth :/

ppl will tell u PFBHz didnt have depth.
IMPs will tell u that as well. They had a big roster but that =/= depth

Zatara I would appreciate it if you would reply :)

I respect Ari, because i tried to melee.... Other then getting 1-2 people here and there it's not easy... Just running upto to that many target's. It's not easy or you would of saw a ton of it... like invisible people in PC's..

It comes down to gaming... Melee has always been a quick end to people. Because you let him/her get close. Melee in Dust is a joke... it does little to no damage, then you cough and wheeze when you get to target and ask him to politely wait for your stamina to recover to punch them...

Nova knifes are a joke concept..... the entire way they built them start's with a disadvantage..

CCP doesn't get melee... it doesn't make sense how it is.. sure we will go back eventually to no one having to worry about being punched to death without it being some inefficient thing to do instead of reloading or weapon switching. But IMO, that is sad... Ari was diversity in DUST not just some modded controller, But skill point specialized and suit fitted for.... now he will just be another shotgunner... or AR.. or w/e and its sad.

Melee should be couple hit death's or very short TTK, so people take ranges more serious.. should it be something everyone has? or something boardering on a massive skill point sink?(not like weaponry? who gives a skill point sink as the first skillNPE? bullshit.)

Most FPS games you can spam melee and run around with your melee weapon out faster then everyone... most FPS games these day's have a lunging forward action when engaging Melee.. some even a mini animation scene...

a mini animation scene would prevent you from destroying the guy that sees you killing his teammate. faster than everyone but not 2x as fast. And they usually don't take as long to kill someone. Ari has 500+ ehp. Regnyum has detailed the difference between fps that are twitch and dust that requires (or did require) more skill in continuing aim over a duration.

Shotgun requires the same player skill set but completely different Skillpoint's/suit's specialties... You engage target's differently and you fit your suit's different.

And ari has both skill sets but admits, and the evidence backs it up, that he was never as effective with the shotty.

And yes there is no reload with melee? .. lol?

precisely...compared to a shotty where you must reload

And anyone in that fast pace CQC environment of being right up in peoples faces requires no aim? Regardless the whole aim assist is a complete other debate that could go on longer then this thread.



He has a shiet-ton of stamina because of skilling into it and sacrificing on his suit and build to fit the modules...

Not really. Because he doesn't need a main weapon he has access to greater cpu/pg compared to others who actually have to use a gun.

Ari's skill and effectiveness in PC's haven't changed still holding down letter's like ever... 1.3-1.4 changed the game. But hey? grenades count as gun game these days.

That's simply not true. When we eliminated his melee'ing he was worthless and we creamed AE those matches. Taking a district with a clone pack and winning a battle with a clone pack the night before. Despite them failing to succeed in the same endeavor.

Don't think I've experienced as much unplayable lag as PC's in 1.4... the frame rate drops down almost every game to unplayable levels... CQC. i could only imagine.. sigh.. maybe i should just skill into grenades and sit on a nanohive. 3 grenades and a mobile source to replenish? Hell yea that sounds way better then melee'ing people quickly.

Sitting on a hive with nades can be effective but run out, are countered with stealth scouts or heavies that can tank a nade, or nades of your own if you're accurate let alone flux md's. Melee you can't fire enough bullets to kill ari due to dps and speed 1v1 where there's city cover everywhere, open ground is ez (well I can't anyway, alldin says he can do it anytime, anywhere no issue). Ari closes the distance so fast and then you can't dodge her hits the way you dodge a shotty.

i honestly think your trying to convince yourself it's wrong when in fact it's just another broken mechanic CCP failed to realize.

what ari does is use exactly what the game gives him. much like when you reload your gun and then sprint to get a couple seconds off of the animation. and now your not only saying that but blaming him for using a scanner which literally everyone in this game uses.

as well as blaming him for being able to get in your face when A.E has proven that even in the city you can counter it with gun game and accuracy.

AE was flipping a R* district and ari decided he would ring for the other team and melee glitch us. having it never used on us before but having seen it many times before we knew how to exploit it's weakness and ddn't even need to use scanners to do it. we just so happened to flip that cargo hub that night and make him go negative. anyone from AE can vouch this is true as well as whoever was on the R* side.

so now ari is a melee glitcher, awoxer, overall bad player who came from EoN. do i have it right so far zatara? btw im curious, what did you think of me in that 1v1? lol

So many ppl keep saying you can't be a top corp if you didn't have a huge impact in PC. To my knowledge Imps had very little impact in PC. So why are they on so many top corp lists? Because they had a very big impact on DUST as a whole. Nobody who ever played DUST competitively will ever forget NF/Imps.
Gotta look at the bigger picture as opposed to putting the blinders on.
Just my two isk.

I never said that

They beat corps great but did they have a huge impact in PC? You didn't really correct me just mentioned that they demolished some solid corps.