Unfortunately you would need to pick a time frame..

TP and AE now have so many Imp/PFB players in them both that its really hard to give either of them an identity.

Its painfully clear who the big performers in most games are though, the old imps... Reg, Alldin, Doc.. etc.. (kalante? where was he pre AE?).

Imperfects #1 for sure... probably for all time, despite the fact that the corp is long gone and never to return (sorry heim but you're wrong, the imps are gone for good I think we all know that).

PFB? Nah... they fell apart for the same reasons TP just lost the UF tourney... rust and lack of cohesion from diminished play time. I don't think they can actually qualify though as they never put up a consistent 16 players. They had an amazing 8 person 'A team' that was top in chrome but PFB as a whole never made it in PC so they dont deserve to be listed as a top corp at all imo. They had amazing players but never came together as a team before falling apart under the pressure of kujo and his crew.

tbh.. from my own experience.. TP at its height was #2... AE could not consistently beat us... period.. at least thats my opinion.

AE is a mix of the old hellstorm that stomped PFB... so Kujo and his crew would rank 3rd imo.

Followed by radar and OH for 4th, the only other team I struggled to compete against when TP was in its prime.

for 5th? I don't know... a lot of different corps could easily tie for 5th imo. (RND, Syn, Red*, IE, STB etc)

So that's my list at least, obviously completely and only my personal opinion.

1. Imperfects
2. Teamplayers
3. Ancient Exiles
4. 0uter.Heaven
5. someone im sure...

At this moment?

Yes AE on top probably... we're at a wierd point atm, most of the old super powers are leaving.. I guess this is an opportunity for new 'top corps' to rise from the ashes?

Protoman was is and always will be the best slayer

Oh beat TP's all of about 3 times compared to many many more losses. We never lost once to them pre hell storm war, and lost once to them pre fec war and have no idea if we ever played them during the war to v oh but they never had even a 20% win rate vs us unlike AE who had something like a 35% win rate.

Idk kalante but I know protoman I've fought with and against him so I know how good he is, not quite as good as me but hey no one is

Kalante is the guy that drops 30 k/ds in pc.

He went 30-1 vs RNd

40-5 vs SyN with TP ringers

34-5 vs RND again

21-0 vs some random corp I forgot.

23-4 vs TP

Just off the top of my head I remember

0.H had it's share of problems which i call "Bunny Syndrome" which stopped alot of their success. but they were still easily one of the top corps to bless this game.


and if we're talking imps and PFBHz, then we have to bring UnReal into the mix as that is where most of the offspring for hellstorm came. though they have a few from imps and like 3 from pfb alot came form UnReal (including kalante) but all that happened wayy before PC and they were in hellstorm for like 4 months before the breakoff and they went to AE. now saying AE wasn't around too long is also false. as you can basically say that AE is hellstorm 2.0. Same leader. Same A-Team. Same ****. Different Day.


as for TP they were never really a factor until hellstorm tore PFBHz apart and they got an influx of so many new players including the "top ranked player" at the time, ReGnYuM.

cubs has done alot of work building that team, that's for sure.. but so has kujo. The losses never attributed to their leaving hellstorm. and you cannot truely count kujo leaving taking his A-team as TeamPlayers doing..

at the end of the day, when everything was on an even playing field, AE beat TP and that's fact..

Protoman was is and always will be the best slayer

Unreal as a corp never succeeded or did anything of note. Sure it's where legend, exmaple, kale the, obj wan, and a few others hail from. Unreal went down as a cb dodging corp.

AE lost many more battles to us on even ground and even on not even ground (defeating them while Arirana glitched for 20+ kill games)

Fact is the record favors TP's until TP's quit. Simple as that. They are better now that our a team doesn't play. Our a teams faced off before and we consistently won. End of discussion. Unless you can justify why those wins shouldn't count. Which I would easily counter with my spiel I could concoct over why the tourney matches favored them with map side advantages, and when the maps repeated we didn't switch sides, their home points were on impenetrable. Ours weren't. They deserved the wins no doubt but even ground? I think they would fairly concede a side swap would have been more just. But that's ccps fail tourney.

it's easily justafiable why those wins shouldn't count.


you won a war of clones. meaning you sent more clones then they could ever possibly had because every chance they would get to get a footing in PC (Through clone packs mind you) you guys would attack it the moment it was theirs. and just keep re-uping the attacks until it was flipped. you never let them grow nor succeed. you tried to squish them out of PC and kill the corp before it could even start. THAT is an uneven playing field since you owned 22% of molden heath and could send 450 clones to their doorstep each time.

it's easily justafiable why those wins shouldn't count.


you won a war of clones. meaning you sent more clones then they could ever possibly had because every chance they would get to get a footing in PC (Through clone packs mind you) you guys would attack it the moment it was theirs. and just keep re-uping the attacks until it was flipped. you never let them grow nor succeed. you tried to squish them out of PC and kill the corp before it could even start. THAT is an uneven playing field since you owned 22% of molden heath and could send 450 clones to their doorstep each time.

Kalante > Protoman + Regnum + Aldin

Kalante + Rampage + Marauder< Protoman + Heimdallr

Fixed

1. Imps
2. TP
3. AE
4. HS
5. IE / R*

To say AE beat TP on an even playing field is completely false. AE beat TP for the exact same reason TP beat Imps. They just stopped giving a ****. Considering i've played on both sides of the fight & made it to probably every single one of the battles besides the tourney i'd probably know better than anyone how most the fights went. TP beat AE 75-80% of the time. Pretty comfortably. I'd say at least half of AE's wins over TP were from cloning TP in a battle that AE were getting stomped in. I FCed most of them for AE so i'd know. 4 points to our 1 on at least 3 occasions when we cloned them due to them having low clones to begin w/. Whilst I only remember TP cloning AE twice both occasions TP would of won regardless. TP's tourney roster hadn't been active for 3+ weeks in the build up to the finals & most the tourney matches they had to get on for were no shows. They weren't the same team who'd been facerolling every other corp in dust for these past few months. Funny how the only person bragging about the tourney win is someone who had absolutely **** all to do w/ it. You literally played no part in any of AE's tourney wins in any way shape or form & yet you rub it in everyone's faces that your corp won the tourney. You were too busy corp hopping to have dedicated yourself to any one team for the tourney. So grow the **** up & stop pretending like you have anything worth saying.