The flaylock does need a radius buff.

The MD, compared to other weapons, has stupidly awful ammo capacity. It is stupid to run it without nanohives. In fact, you often find yourself having to rely on nanohives. But other weapons... say, the AR, can be perfectly effective without any sort of Nanohive available. A little parity would be nice.

Md absolutely depends in nano hives. This limits fits greatly. It's really low considering it takes a fair amount of your clip to take someone down. Another clip wouldn't hurt I don't think. That's 6 rounds. Even when used sparingly the 18 rounds in total an md gets without skills is hard to stretch

Flaylock needs a radius buff at the very least. I can run an smg as a main. Hmm.

I don't.

Both are good weapons when used by people that know what they're doing.

Posted this somewhere else as a request. but, here I just want to know what you the community think. feel free to give your opinions. my official opinion.

• the MD is good, but could use more ammo,
• the flaylock is fine but needs .5m extra radius. the low damage and everything is good though...

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=102330

what do you think?

They are both fine and are in line for what they were designed to do without going over board.

As a HMG user I love meeting an AR at close range, but MDs still scare me, because you can neither fire back accurately nor take cover. If you took away the one drawback (limited ammo) the MD would be OP. As for the flaylock, it was nerfed for a reason.

So some weapons are more equal than others?

If so we should get 1x multipliers

I hate'em, they rip through my armour.

That being said, they feel balanced. I like where the flaylock is now.

Edit:also, I'm planning on skilling into flaylocks now that we aren't getting hybrid weapons.

A .5 buff to the might break it again.

Dont think so because the damage (splash precisely) was also reduced

if you are an HMG user like myself, you'd know that its actually better to fight a mass drive than an AR, cuz of the DPS.

objectively lets give them the benefit of the doubt. its not a damage buff, not a RoF buff, not a clip size buff. its just a max ammo buff. most MD users are gone before they even get to that much ammo. reward the good players with something like this.

Flaylock radius would of course be good, but why would the MD need an ammo increase, that's what nanohives are used for.

So some weapons are more equal than others?

If so we should get 1x multipliers

Md absolutely depends in nano hives. This limits fits greatly. It's really low considering it takes a fair amount of your clip to take someone down. Another clip wouldn't hurt I don't think. That's 6 rounds. Even when used sparingly the 18 rounds in total an md gets without skills is hard to stretch

Flaylock needs a radius buff at the very least. I can run an smg as a main. Hmm.

Posted this somewhere else as a request. but, here I just want to know what you the community think. feel free to give your opinions. my official opinion.

• the MD is good, but could use more ammo,
• the flaylock is fine but needs .5m extra radius. the low damage and everything is good though...

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=102330

what do you think?

please explain your thoughts. how do you feel that .5 m extra radius (not increasing damage, or splash damage, or clip, etc) will break the brokelocks... i mean flaylocks?

honestly though in seriousness do you feel that is too great a buff? I'm working from the standard up. the Std flaylocks in my opinion and as a flaylocker see them as utterly useless and the breach is a joke. please explain your thoughts

Posted this somewhere else as a request. but, here I just want to know what you the community think. feel free to give your opinions. my official opinion.

• the MD is good, but could use more ammo,
• the flaylock is fine but needs .5m extra radius. the low damage and everything is good though...

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=102330

what do you think?

MD, had no problem with these until recent. I admit, the person I was fighting was very good at what they do. I lost more than I care to admit, but the fact is this weapon is BS. How can you fire over 200M with precision and take a person down in less than 3 hits. Cant out run the D*** splash and all they do is spam the F*** out of them. Try and take them on and all they do is use them as a D*** shotgun and your armor melts in 2 seconds or less. If there is a way to counter them I am all ears. I have tried flanking, does not work for they spam the area with explosives. Tried to shooting from a distance but the reach they have is unf****** believable. I notice its mainly mimitars running these d*** things, using 5 damage mods so the explosion is ungodly. So I am not asking for a nerf I just want a way to counter them so the next time I meet one, I will have the answer for the masshole.

Thats just it, the MD is not supposed to be a slayer weapon! It is a support weapon designed for area denial and crowd control! Yes, you will burn through ammo at an extreme rate firing your entire clip at one heavy to make sure you get that kill!

If you use it properly by firing into a zerg, then let your team mates finish them off after they scatter, you would get 6 - 8 assists easily. Thats 150 - 200 WP from 1 - 2 rounds, as opposed to 50 WP for using a whole clip on one guy!

Thats just it, the MD is not supposed to be a slayer weapon! It is a support weapon designed for area denial and crowd control! Yes, you will burn through ammo at an extreme rate firing your entire clip at one heavy to make sure you get that kill!

If you use it properly by firing into a zerg, then let your team mates finish them off after they scatter, you would get 6 - 8 assists easily. Thats 150 - 200 WP from 1 - 2 rounds, as opposed to 50 WP for using a whole clip on one guy!

I feel like you're really reaching for a statement I did not make. Id appreciate it if you didn't insinuate that I don't know what I'm doing.

*cough* short-range breaching *cough*

The mass driver is a unique weapon in that it has 2 places its highly effective, but for entirely different roles.

Roles a mass driver is capable of:
* Short range breaching - Good for lobbing grenades down those new gallentean stairs, causes chaos and confusion.
* Area-Denial - Makes someone GTFO off the immediate area, slows frontal assaults, holds upchoke points.
* Flanking - With a bit of smarts MD users can be used effectively for flanking suppressed enemies.
* Long range Suppresion - New flare effect can be used as terror weapon.
* IW - like all light weapons, the MD is capable of killing in a 1v1 fight, a capable personal defence weapon

If you assume a MD user will just assist you in getting you kd/r up, you've got another thing coming, mainly logi suits that kill people and heavies being used in offence!

The MD is not and should not be any less capable of killing people in its intended range/role/location.

As for the OP MD needs a little more ammo, what you could do is change the "Max Ammo" Skill, to add to rounds per level instead of 1?

*cough* short-range breaching *cough*

Simply because the MD can do something, doesn't make it well suited for that task. Sure the MD can kill 1v1 in a solo fight, but that was never its purposed role and this is not considered



So no need to be a smart ass mkay.

*Yes it is excellent for clearing rooms...how many rounds would you say that takes when you have a 16m area of effect?

*yes we agree on area denial, again, how many rounds would you say this takes? Surely no more than 4 per engagement?

*Flanking yes, but timing would be everything here. I wouldn't expect to get a lot of kills unless the squad you are flanking is already limping away. IMHO this would probably fall under crowd control. Again, not requiring much ammo given it's AoE

*Eh, not so much. With the projectile travel time, all you would do here is betray your position to the enemy.

*LOL no. It is not a personal defense weapon a sidearm is a personal defense weapon. The MD is a suppression weapon period.

Posted this somewhere else as a request. but, here I just want to know what you the community think. feel free to give your opinions. my official opinion.

• the MD is good, but could use more ammo,
• the flaylock is fine but needs .5m extra radius. the low damage and everything is good though...

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=102330

what do you think?

No the MD is not a suppresion weapon, it is an independent weapon it does not require another weapon to finish the job!
It is not ideal for killing, but is effective enough in the right hands!

The MD is designed for 1v1 engagements in its prefered environment, you cannot deny an area if there is no threat of being killed!

16m area of effect applies to the assult only, with a 16m AOE it takes over a mags worth to clear a 15+ù15 box.
With a normal, with a 10m it takes maybe 4-5, which when you have a mag of six, requires a reload directly after.

The amount of rounds for area denial depends on the enemy, some engagements have used as much as 16 of my 18 ammo, because certain suits need more slugs!

And suppresion works perfectly, believe me!

But the main problem I have is why you believe the MD being a support weapon should not garner kills?
Wether it is a "support" weapon or not is down to the user, but if it wasn't designed to kill, why would anyone field it?

I never said it should not garner kills, I simply said it's main purpose is not to garner kills, but to suppress the enemy. It is effective enought that, when used in for it's intended role, it requires no more ammo, and gets plenty of kills.

If by "clear a 15x15 box" you mean "kill everything in a 15x15 box" then yes, I could see why you are running out of ammo so much. Now, if by "clear a 15x15 box" you mean disperse and suppress everyone within that area, then you are lying if you say it takes an entire clip.

No, the amount of rounds for area denial depends on how tightly clustered the enemy is.

Area denial/suppression =/= kills

Area denial means restricting enemies from entering a given area. You do not need to get kills to do this effectively.

Suppression means keeping enemies restricted to cover, again, no kills required to perform this task.

The MD is not a slayer weapon! Sure, you can get kills with it, but that is not it's main purpose.

I am aware you don't Need kills, but it is considerably more effective when it does so, denining an area with a little bit of splash damage only works to a point. You can not expect to lock down an area without killing the aggressor!

If I am gonna suppress an enemy advance, it'll me darn sight more productive to kill them, instead of waiting for a slayer weapon to finish the job, in which time I run out of ammo.

By clear a 15+ù15 box I mean get rid of, don't care how, but it is considerably more effective to kill them, then to chase them away. So really I don't see why a mass driver shouldn't be an effective killer, because at least in this game, its a lot more effective to deny an area by blowing them up.

especially because of the perma death, mass drivers are better for killing than other weapons because it ensures they don't get back up! But now your gonna tell me its not a "slayer" weapon.

But if it wasn't designed for killing, how is it gonna be effective in the battlefield?
And what defines a slayer weapon, being designed to kill? Or being your weapon, no one elses?

Posted this somewhere else as a request. but, here I just want to know what you the community think. feel free to give your opinions. my official opinion.

• the MD is good, but could use more ammo,
• the flaylock is fine but needs .5m extra radius. the low damage and everything is good though...

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=102330

what do you think?

All i want is some equality among the weapon classes. All primary weapons should be self sufficient.

The flaylocks, scambler pistols and SMGs should all be equally effective. Which currently they are not. (nova knives are not really included but could use a buff. I've melee killed nova knifers)

I will beat an AR one on one at close range 90%+ of the time in pubs (much lower in PC, obviously). I'm putting out roughly as much DPS, have a massive clip, and usually double the HP, so of course I'll win. An MD, on the other hand, can significantly out DPS me, by putting cover between me and them and hitting me with splash, or just by hitting me repeatedly so my screen is shaky and I can't land my shots. I'm not saying the MD should be nerfed, just that it's good where it is.

Other folks: dude! you have to try the mass driver!! dude! it rocks!!

Then I try it and sucksville then I try it with operations at L5 and less sucksville but meh! then I say lets try it with proficiency??

Results: enemy on top stairs equals Tech Ohm died, enemy on bottom stairs equals Tech Ohm died, blueberry stands in front just as I shoot equals SUICIDE ...BAH!!

Scambler, Laser, AR, SMG are MUCH BETTER.

Final opinion: mass driver only good for spamming a few grenades back at those folks that spam locus grenades at supply depos.

Yeah maybe the mass driver can do with a larger ammo clip but it still sucks.

My AR never kills me so from now on its mostly AR 514.

Sorry but a GEK or a Duvolle outperform it by far at all distances.

Yeah that fabled cover sounds nice.
Murder taxi?? HMG heavy versus MD Tech Ohm equals a dead Tech Ohm until Tech Ohm says screw this MD noise and grabs a Duvolle then its a dead heavy most times.

Upstairs or downstairs? dead md user, repeat and repeat with HMG heavy WINS!!

In an open street? DEAD MD user ALIVE HMG heavy.

Entering a room or exiting?? MD user DIES to HMG.

SCrew that noise.
Grabs a Duvolle AR.

MD, had no problem with these until recent. I admit, the person I was fighting was very good at what they do. I lost more than I care to admit, but the fact is this weapon is BS. How can you fire over 200M with precision and take a person down in less than 3 hits. Cant out run the D*** splash and all they do is spam the F*** out of them. Try and take them on and all they do is use them as a D*** shotgun and your armor melts in 2 seconds or less. If there is a way to counter them I am all ears. I have tried flanking, does not work for they spam the area with explosives. Tried to shooting from a distance but the reach they have is unf****** believable. I notice its mainly mimitars running these d*** things, using 5 damage mods so the explosion is ungodly. So I am not asking for a nerf I just want a way to counter them so the next time I meet one, I will have the answer for the masshole.

Simply because the MD can do something, doesn't make it well suited for that task. Sure the MD can kill 1v1 in a solo fight, but that was never its purposed role and this is not considered



So no need to be a smart ass mkay.

*Yes it is excellent for clearing rooms...how many rounds would you say that takes when you have a 16m area of effect?

*yes we agree on area denial, again, how many rounds would you say this takes? Surely no more than 4 per engagement?

*Flanking yes, but timing would be everything here. I wouldn't expect to get a lot of kills unless the squad you are flanking is already limping away. IMHO this would probably fall under crowd control. Again, not requiring much ammo given it's AoE

*Eh, not so much. With the projectile travel time, all you would do here is betray your position to the enemy.

*LOL no. It is not a personal defense weapon a sidearm is a personal defense weapon. The MD is a suppression weapon period.

"16m area of effect"????

Looks at weapon saying 4.4 m.................????

Something tells me the MD just doesn't work with your playstyle.

Posted this somewhere else as a request. but, here I just want to know what you the community think. feel free to give your opinions. my official opinion.

• the MD is good, but could use more ammo,
• the flaylock is fine but needs .5m extra radius. the low damage and everything is good though...

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=102330

what do you think?

I was talking about the Assault Variant AoE

You would be referring to the Standard Blast Radius.

4.4 x 2 = 8.8 m diameter, so if you shoot it at someone's feet (which is how everyone uses it) there is virtually no escaping the AoE which is 8.8 m across.

Mass D.

So when you said "16 m" you were lying??

"escape area of effect"
Heres how most heavies do it:
I shoot MD, I shoot MD, I shoot md, I shoot MD, reload and HMG heavy LOLS!!!!!!!! and BRRRRRRRIPPP!!! and TEch Ohm DIED!!...BAH!!

Ha Yea dude, a proto CalLogi with a MD can drop a heavy like it aint ****. All they have to do is strafe at the edge of our Optimal Range and spam at our feet = dead ass heavy.

No offense, but you must really be **** with the MD if you can't kill a Heavy with it.

Uhm nooooo I was rounding the number for the Boundless Assault Mass Driver...

You are looking at the Exo-5, which isn't even an Assault Mass Driver it is a standard variant (not tier)...

Are you trying to be dense?

So where does the boundless massdriver say it has "16m"

Will check in game stats later but none say that?

No, I'm responding to exactly what you said.

You are trying to "take someone down" with the MD, but that is not the intended purpose for the weapon. Now, here you are complaining because you feel the MD doesn't have enough ammo.

That would be like me saying "the heavy dropsuit is just not fast enough, especially considering when I spot a scout, I can't pursue him so he gets away from me every time"

A heavy isn't supposed to keep pace with a scout, just like a MD isn't supposed to be used as a slayer weapon. If you didn't try to solo your opponents with the MD, I think you would find it has plenty of ammo to do it's job.

I could be saying all of these arguments about the HMG as well. It is a suppression/area denial weapon. I'll be damned if I get kills with it trying to keep the baddies at bay though. The only way to get kills with the HMG is to let them come in close, defeating the entire purpose of the HMG being area denial/suppression.

You can expect to lock down an area without killing anyone. If the Aggressor cannot approach without threat of death, have you not successfully locked down the area? The only Suit it takes a full clip to kill with a MD is a full Proto Heavy with 3 complex plates. I know because I have been the single target of a butt hurt MD user in plenty of matches. Him focusing on me caused his team to lose the CRU that my squad was hacking though. So he failed to do his job because he got greedy for a kill. Is that teamwork? Is that how you win a match?

A slayer weapon is a weapon specifically designed to kill and to kill quickly in it's optimal range. These include the AR, SMG, Sniper Rifle, Scrambler Pistol, Scrambler Rifle, Shotgun, etc. While slayer weapons can perform other roles such as area denial/suppression, their main purpose is to kill.

Area Denial/Suppression Weapons' main purpose is not to kill, but they have the ability to. These include the MD, HMG Flaylock Pistol, Grenades, Laser Rifle, etc.

Ha Yea dude, a proto CalLogi with a MD can drop a heavy like it aint ****. All they have to do is strafe at the edge of our Optimal Range and spam at our feet = dead ass heavy.

No offense, but you must really be **** with the MD if you can't kill a Heavy with it.

Sounds like your HMG suppression is going well!

There is no such thing as a slayer weapon, all weapons are specifically designed to kill, HMG, LR, FL, MD, Grenades, they are all designed to kill, they are designed to kill in their niches better than any other weapon. There is no such thing as a slayer weapon. Nor a slayer playstyle, if this game is about tactics there is no slayer. The "slayer" weapons are no better than any other weapon at killing in their preferred engagement.

The slayer playstyle is something you bring from other games.

As for the HMG do actually use it? Have used it for area denial? You can't deny an area without killing the enemy because they so easily outrange you. At most you can lock down a single corridor to 1-2 idiots. So no you can't really say the same arguements about the HMG.

The thing is Area Denial only works without kills in real life, at most here you loose an expensive suit, the threat of death is minimal, there for you must make the threat real, and kill any SOB sorry enough to try an enter your area. As for you blast radius calcs, the assult MD works best after a flux, 2 dmg mods, its poor at killing 1 person, because people would whine if it did 100dmg splash!

As for your friend against a heavy defending a cru.
What were you doing there in the first place, you should be denying access to a point, not slaughtering people at a cru?
And were you the most pressing matter? What did you expect him to do, soften up targets for just die to them anyway, in the hope his team may or may not be able to capatilise on the little sheild damage which is already quickly regenning.

It sounds like you want, MD weapons gone because 1 "butthurt MD user" killed you, its a weapon, it will kill people and does its job a hell of a lot better when it kills people!

So how many rooms are larger than 50m??
No room to strafe on stairs.

And strafeing at 50m thats what a Duvolle AR is for.

Yeah I can get kills with a proto MD but when its proto heavy and proto HMG then its proto AR as a counter.

I can't

I just....

There are weapons which are designed specifically to kill, but may be able to fill other support roles, though not as effectively as the support weapons. Other weapons are specifically designed to support, but can garner kills, though not as effectively as "slayer" weapons. If you can't wrap your brain around this then you should try to avoid balance discussions altogether.

There is definitely a slayer playstyle. If not, what is ambush for? Certain Dropsuits are better suited to do one thing, kill! These are what the slayer players use. Other dropsuits are better suited to do other things more effectively such as support (logistics), defend (Heavies) or Recon (scouts).

Yes, I actually use the HMG. Yes it is **** for it's intended role as area denial/suppression. I'm not arguing that point.

You haven't really countered any of my arguments, all you have done is try to insult my abilities in game.

As for what I was doing at the CRU, well, I was defending my squad as they were attempting to capture the CRU. Saying a Heavy's sole purpose is to camp objectives waiting to kill lone wolfs, or waiting to get killed by the zerging blob is simply ridiculous.

No, I don't want the MD gone, but it seems you want it to be something it isn't designed to be. It's purpose is support, whether you want to admit it or not is immaterial. I'm not upset that the MD user killed me in the slightest bit. My team captured the CRU, then the objective adjacent to it, simply because he got greedy for one kill, when he could have driven an entire squad away from the CRU instead, giving his team a chance to regroup, and defend the installation.

Not to troll you, but when have explosives EVER been used in a way to just herd people away? Does a RE just "encourage you to leave?" Do M1's ever make you feel, "Man, this is kinda dangerous! I should pack up and go home!" Flaylocks do that because people cried and boohoo'd that explosives were "too OP! It killed me from above or in a tight space!" (And no, I don't use them, I have died to them, I never felt they were OP, just needed to be slowed down) Explosives are designed to wipe out unshielded targets. Shouldn't matter what role wants to carry them. Mass drivers are good where they are at damage- and range-wise, but, their ammo is severely lacking. I don't hear you saying "Forges need less ammo! HMG's need less ammo! They're situational! They should only have three clips, and run to resupply!" Just be fair to all of what you call 'niche' weapons.

I can't

I just....

There are weapons which are designed specifically to kill, but may be able to fill other support roles, though not as effectively as the support weapons. Other weapons are specifically designed to support, but can garner kills, though not as effectively as "slayer" weapons. If you can't wrap your brain around this then you should try to avoid balance discussions altogether.

There is definitely a slayer playstyle. If not, what is ambush for? Certain Dropsuits are better suited to do one thing, kill! These are what the slayer players use. Other dropsuits are better suited to do other things more effectively such as support (logistics), defend (Heavies) or Recon (scouts).

Yes, I actually use the HMG. Yes it is **** for it's intended role as area denial/suppression. I'm not arguing that point.

You haven't really countered any of my arguments, all you have done is try to insult my abilities in game.

As for what I was doing at the CRU, well, I was defending my squad as they were attempting to capture the CRU. Saying a Heavy's sole purpose is to camp objectives waiting to kill lone wolfs, or waiting to get killed by the zerging blob is simply ridiculous.

No, I don't want the MD gone, but it seems you want it to be something it isn't designed to be. It's purpose is support, whether you want to admit it or not is immaterial. I'm not upset that the MD user killed me in the slightest bit. My team captured the CRU, then the objective adjacent to it, simply because he got greedy for one kill, when he could have driven an entire squad away from the CRU instead, giving his team a chance to regroup, and defend the installation.

Wow, I'm getting a headache from this silly "Slayer Weapon" meme.

Your silly theory does not match reality, just give it up.

The MD does need +6 ammo by default. I have +3 ammo capacity, always carry hives, and I still find myself down to my SMG fairly often.

I don't think any other weapon in the game is so hive/supply depot dependent.

I'm one of those silly people who just has to have a flaylock by my side. Gotta say, it's not too easy to get an accurate shot off. You get three tries and, usually, if you don't hit two out of three, you're dead. They've got that funny timing delay where the missle takes an extra fraction of a second to reach the target and the sight is kinda crap. I wish it would get a little buff, or make it so there was a way to lock on to somebody.

I've dropped stupid amounts of SP into it and, every once in a while at short range I'll just nail some powerful player with it two or three times in a row and either kill him or reduce him to almost nothing.....It usually doesn't work that way, but, when it does, it's sweet enough that I'll think about it for a couple days after. I just imagine them looking at the screen and going, "FLAYLOCK! NO F*%KING WAY!"

Most of the time, though, I'm wondering, "Why the hell don't I carry a SMG?" Probably because I usually have an AR and the FL is something completely different. It occasionally even works at medium to long range in a suppression-type role. Things blowing up around them can throw a group off......until they realize it's basically just a guy with a pistol.

my sentiments exactly. I wish it could get a radius increase of .5ms
that would solve everything.

I can't support that, but I think the dmg+radius reduction was too much. One or the other would have been fine.

If you land all 3 shots close enough to hit a target(which is admittingly tough) you may or may not kill your target, it's too unreliable. If you land all your shots with a fullly skilled SMG or scrambler pistol, you will kill your target.

I'd support a dmg buff or a .25 increase to splash radius.

Posted this somewhere else as a request. but, here I just want to know what you the community think. feel free to give your opinions. my official opinion.

• the MD is good, but could use more ammo,
• the flaylock is fine but needs .5m extra radius. the low damage and everything is good though...

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=102330

what do you think?

Posted this somewhere else as a request. but, here I just want to know what you the community think. feel free to give your opinions. my official opinion.

• the MD is good, but could use more ammo,
• the flaylock is fine but needs .5m extra radius. the low damage and everything is good though...

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=102330

what do you think?

if you skill into the weapons your blast radius increases. If you skill in proficiency the damage increases. So the weapon doesnt need changes, you just need to skill into the weapon more

What is more annoying to face? 6 people with assault rifles or 5 people with assault rifles and 1 asshat above you standing in his nanohives spamming his massdriver forcing you out of hiding and getting your ass shot by his buddies? There is nothing wrong with the mass driver I mean what else are you gunna run other than nanohives when your post up above everyone being a pain in the ass? I guess maybe remote explosives so you can drop them in between bunny hopping like a clown using the mass driver as a shotgun because if you don't get the final blow the weapon is clearly worthless.

I don't get why all weapons need to be catered for 1v1 engagements its completely ridiculous. Why run it if I don't gets me dem killz? Because it is still the most annoying gun in the game that will force you away from an area and nothing has changed that, it synergises well with teamwork not just you running off to get the most kills at the end of the game.

The flaylock I could agree could use more splash radius, even when it was OP the proto tier was the only real useful one imo, that gun probably needs a bit of a look at.

The flaylock I could agree could use more splash radius, even when it was OP the proto tier was the only real useful one imo, that gun probably needs a bit of a look at.

Flaylock is dead. Working is intended? I am not sure but I do wish for at least .5m buff.

it's fine MOARRR skill pls.

I think the current MD has too many rounds. I've seen too many players fling all rounds from their Assault MDs at me to kill me simply because they were aiming in my general direction.

How can a MD be effective under 10m. Sure buff them up again but enough of this MD for all situations, it should be for ranged lobbing to remove enemy build up. Not smashing into the ground at 5m in a 1v1 to random one hit and win.

Flaylock is a decent sidearm.Maybe a very small splash damage buff (5%) would.do nicely, though. MD is.still pretty good. I use it and.also get killed by it a lot and it seems nice. It needs more ammo, tho, BC only combat logis can use it efficiently Cruz they have all them hives, yo. An extra clip of ammo would be just right, I think. Breach needs to shoot faster and.do more direct damage, nut keep everything else the same.

only thing I think about flaylocks is that I wish I could fit a good smg on my sniper suit.

I feel like a boxer whenever I try to use them against Ar/smg users now, you need to be in clinching range to avoid their auto shots.

The flaylock does need a radius buff.

The MD, compared to other weapons, has stupidly awful ammo capacity. It is stupid to run it without nanohives. In fact, you often find yourself having to rely on nanohives. But other weapons... say, the AR, can be perfectly effective without any sort of Nanohive available. A little parity would be nice.

I think the MD is fine now.


But we MUST see the Hp life of ennemies without have the aime on because with Md that's awful because it's a weapon that we don't aim with so we don't see the ennemy's life it's realy annoying.

My 2c :

flaylock damage is relatively low, if you look at DPS (unless you get a headshot.).
Its range is limited.
Giving it splash damage is silly, since its a "flies straight" weapon. So if you are aiming for headshots, and miss, you're not going to get any splash damage.


IMO, it should be made to be a pure armor-piercing weapon, zero splash damage, but more ammo.
Make it a simple congruency:

AR => SCR :: Flay => ScP

you should try to direct hit more often, it works you know...

You have to lead your shots and use ballistics physics which requires not aiming directly. There's no AA for a MD.

All i want is some equality among the weapon classes. All primary weapons should be self sufficient.

The flaylocks, scambler pistols and SMGs should all be equally effective. Which currently they are not. (nova knives are not really included but could use a buff. I've melee killed nova knifers)

Posted this somewhere else as a request. but, here I just want to know what you the community think. feel free to give your opinions. my official opinion.

• the MD is good, but could use more ammo,
• the flaylock is fine but needs .5m extra radius. the low damage and everything is good though...

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=102330

what do you think?