Md absolutely depends in nano hives. This limits fits greatly. It's really low considering it takes a fair amount of your clip to take someone down. Another clip wouldn't hurt I don't think. That's 6 rounds. Even when used sparingly the 18 rounds in total an md gets without skills is hard to stretch

Flaylock needs a radius buff at the very least. I can run an smg as a main. Hmm.

I feel like you're really reaching for a statement I did not make. Id appreciate it if you didn't insinuate that I don't know what I'm doing.

*cough* short-range breaching *cough*

The mass driver is a unique weapon in that it has 2 places its highly effective, but for entirely different roles.

Roles a mass driver is capable of:
* Short range breaching - Good for lobbing grenades down those new gallentean stairs, causes chaos and confusion.
* Area-Denial - Makes someone GTFO off the immediate area, slows frontal assaults, holds upchoke points.
* Flanking - With a bit of smarts MD users can be used effectively for flanking suppressed enemies.
* Long range Suppresion - New flare effect can be used as terror weapon.
* IW - like all light weapons, the MD is capable of killing in a 1v1 fight, a capable personal defence weapon

If you assume a MD user will just assist you in getting you kd/r up, you've got another thing coming, mainly logi suits that kill people and heavies being used in offence!

The MD is not and should not be any less capable of killing people in its intended range/role/location.

As for the OP MD needs a little more ammo, what you could do is change the "Max Ammo" Skill, to add to rounds per level instead of 1?

*cough* short-range breaching *cough*

No the MD is not a suppresion weapon, it is an independent weapon it does not require another weapon to finish the job!
It is not ideal for killing, but is effective enough in the right hands!

The MD is designed for 1v1 engagements in its prefered environment, you cannot deny an area if there is no threat of being killed!

16m area of effect applies to the assult only, with a 16m AOE it takes over a mags worth to clear a 15+ù15 box.
With a normal, with a 10m it takes maybe 4-5, which when you have a mag of six, requires a reload directly after.

The amount of rounds for area denial depends on the enemy, some engagements have used as much as 16 of my 18 ammo, because certain suits need more slugs!

And suppresion works perfectly, believe me!

But the main problem I have is why you believe the MD being a support weapon should not garner kills?
Wether it is a "support" weapon or not is down to the user, but if it wasn't designed to kill, why would anyone field it?

I am aware you don't Need kills, but it is considerably more effective when it does so, denining an area with a little bit of splash damage only works to a point. You can not expect to lock down an area without killing the aggressor!

If I am gonna suppress an enemy advance, it'll me darn sight more productive to kill them, instead of waiting for a slayer weapon to finish the job, in which time I run out of ammo.

By clear a 15+ù15 box I mean get rid of, don't care how, but it is considerably more effective to kill them, then to chase them away. So really I don't see why a mass driver shouldn't be an effective killer, because at least in this game, its a lot more effective to deny an area by blowing them up.

especially because of the perma death, mass drivers are better for killing than other weapons because it ensures they don't get back up! But now your gonna tell me its not a "slayer" weapon.

But if it wasn't designed for killing, how is it gonna be effective in the battlefield?
And what defines a slayer weapon, being designed to kill? Or being your weapon, no one elses?

Other folks: dude! you have to try the mass driver!! dude! it rocks!!

Then I try it and sucksville then I try it with operations at L5 and less sucksville but meh! then I say lets try it with proficiency??

Results: enemy on top stairs equals Tech Ohm died, enemy on bottom stairs equals Tech Ohm died, blueberry stands in front just as I shoot equals SUICIDE ...BAH!!

Scambler, Laser, AR, SMG are MUCH BETTER.

Final opinion: mass driver only good for spamming a few grenades back at those folks that spam locus grenades at supply depos.

Yeah maybe the mass driver can do with a larger ammo clip but it still sucks.

My AR never kills me so from now on its mostly AR 514.

Sorry but a GEK or a Duvolle outperform it by far at all distances.

Yeah that fabled cover sounds nice.
Murder taxi?? HMG heavy versus MD Tech Ohm equals a dead Tech Ohm until Tech Ohm says screw this MD noise and grabs a Duvolle then its a dead heavy most times.

Upstairs or downstairs? dead md user, repeat and repeat with HMG heavy WINS!!

In an open street? DEAD MD user ALIVE HMG heavy.

Entering a room or exiting?? MD user DIES to HMG.

SCrew that noise.
Grabs a Duvolle AR.

"16m area of effect"????

Looks at weapon saying 4.4 m.................????

So when you said "16 m" you were lying??

"escape area of effect"
Heres how most heavies do it:
I shoot MD, I shoot MD, I shoot md, I shoot MD, reload and HMG heavy LOLS!!!!!!!! and BRRRRRRRIPPP!!! and TEch Ohm DIED!!...BAH!!

So where does the boundless massdriver say it has "16m"

Will check in game stats later but none say that?

There is no such thing as a slayer weapon, all weapons are specifically designed to kill, HMG, LR, FL, MD, Grenades, they are all designed to kill, they are designed to kill in their niches better than any other weapon. There is no such thing as a slayer weapon. Nor a slayer playstyle, if this game is about tactics there is no slayer. The "slayer" weapons are no better than any other weapon at killing in their preferred engagement.

The slayer playstyle is something you bring from other games.

As for the HMG do actually use it? Have used it for area denial? You can't deny an area without killing the enemy because they so easily outrange you. At most you can lock down a single corridor to 1-2 idiots. So no you can't really say the same arguements about the HMG.

The thing is Area Denial only works without kills in real life, at most here you loose an expensive suit, the threat of death is minimal, there for you must make the threat real, and kill any SOB sorry enough to try an enter your area. As for you blast radius calcs, the assult MD works best after a flux, 2 dmg mods, its poor at killing 1 person, because people would whine if it did 100dmg splash!

As for your friend against a heavy defending a cru.
What were you doing there in the first place, you should be denying access to a point, not slaughtering people at a cru?
And were you the most pressing matter? What did you expect him to do, soften up targets for just die to them anyway, in the hope his team may or may not be able to capatilise on the little sheild damage which is already quickly regenning.

It sounds like you want, MD weapons gone because 1 "butthurt MD user" killed you, its a weapon, it will kill people and does its job a hell of a lot better when it kills people!

So how many rooms are larger than 50m??
No room to strafe on stairs.

And strafeing at 50m thats what a Duvolle AR is for.

Yeah I can get kills with a proto MD but when its proto heavy and proto HMG then its proto AR as a counter.

Not to troll you, but when have explosives EVER been used in a way to just herd people away? Does a RE just "encourage you to leave?" Do M1's ever make you feel, "Man, this is kinda dangerous! I should pack up and go home!" Flaylocks do that because people cried and boohoo'd that explosives were "too OP! It killed me from above or in a tight space!" (And no, I don't use them, I have died to them, I never felt they were OP, just needed to be slowed down) Explosives are designed to wipe out unshielded targets. Shouldn't matter what role wants to carry them. Mass drivers are good where they are at damage- and range-wise, but, their ammo is severely lacking. I don't hear you saying "Forges need less ammo! HMG's need less ammo! They're situational! They should only have three clips, and run to resupply!" Just be fair to all of what you call 'niche' weapons.