Because I really want tanks (HAVs) to be big, bad monsters of the battlefield. I want tanks and AV balanced so that it takes several players using good teamwork to kill them. I want proto tanks that can only be killed by a group of proto AV infantry.

However, in order for tanks to be so strong it takes multiple players working as a team to kill them, and for the game to remain balanced, it must take multiple players working as a team to operate them.

All the other HAV/AV balance suggestions I've seen so far are based around balancing on ISK, which is doomed to failure as we all get richer. We need to balance the game first and foremost on the most limited resource in Dust battles, which is the players. Balance on that first, and then tune the balance with ISK.

Really, this got 7 pages??

As someone that doesnt agree with fellow tankers, this thread has made me see what they prolly go through

This is by far, the most stupid "tank thread" i ever seen, but you know, it was made by some guy called "adam and steve"

Troll thread is troll thread

Dear ******., contact me in game and i'll call you a fully specced shield tank, so you can have a turn, as clearly you dont know shite about tanks....

untill then you should just stfu, as your opinion counts for **** all, at the very least you could specced into proto swarms like the rest of us, but no, your rocking that milita gettting all butthurt coz you cant even dent us

if you canrt solo a tank, then you are, a BAD player, end off, you suck dude, and should prolly go play sudoku or some sh!t

You don't need to insult the guy so rudely......

You don't need to insult the guy so rudely......

NO

I spend the money on the tank, I control it.

Nuff said.

actually its because of the personal investment we put into our vehicles that makes us not want to trust random retards with our own stuff.

im sorry that your idea of how infantry behaves doesn't exist

In EVE a single capsuleer can manipulate a giant deathstar of galactic obliteration.

^ Debate Over ^

I think my combat engineered clone can handle driving a tracked vehicle while manning a single gun.

Sorry, bad argument.
You're trying use lore but your point about lore is wrong.
Eve ships have crews of thousands. And also the podpilots are using special interface, which merc clones don't have, to control ships.

Bad argument

Sorry, bad argument.
You're trying use lore but your point about lore is wrong.
Eve ships have crews of thousands. And also the podpilots are using special interface, which merc clones don't have, to control ships.

swarmers should need a second infatnry guy to load the next rockets into the launcher.....after all.......teamwork....

It's over. Not going to happen. No.

How is it a bad argument?

It is bad argument because saying lore is the reason, but lore itself points to other direction.
A minor detail.
BTW lore should not be taken into account in balancing the battlefield.

It would be the same if someone else had to deploy your equipment. You put the SP and ISK into it, so you should control it.

You have bad ideas.

Your idea of "balance" is making tanks completely useless.

Hey, I have a thought...

If you think tankers need to buddy up -- maybe infantry should have to buddy up big-time to be able to take out a tank. No more lone proto gunners being able to take out a tank. Turnabout is fair play isn't it?

It's a tank for crying out loud.

Let me say that again... IT'S A TANK!

Well, I'll explain why this is a horrible idea, as well as counter your points:

1: I pay for the entire thing, so why should I give half of the purpose of it to a random bluedot?

2: I've not seen that many balancing around ISK, other than reduction in price for specific ones (such as the PROTO turrets that are almost a million), as they aren't balanced with the other's price.

3: Requiring more than 3 or 4 people to kill one HAV with PROTO weapons is imo overkill at that point. The HAV should be able to survive long enough to stay for a short period, and escape, and if they trap it, or have more than enough AV, it's dead.

4: Like I said, we already do require more than just the pilot for a HAV to do well. Backup AV, a Logistics or two and a LLV repping it and the people around it, and gunners keeping the infantry away (well, if they would fix the small turret aim on HAV's anyways), as well as a spotter to tell the said HAV where incoming AV is, and where infantry that needs to be hit is.

Funny how all the tankers say they work as part of their team but any suggestions making their vehicle most effective with team work get shot down isnt it
Anyway I bet you a dollar they would lock everyone out and just jump around every seat if your suggestions were ever implemented