If you want that, then all your equipment gets carried in a pack and someone else has to take it out for it to be used.

Funny how all the tankers say they work as part of their team but any suggestions making their vehicle most effective with team work get shot down isnt it
Anyway I bet you a dollar they would lock everyone out and just jump around every seat if your suggestions were ever implemented

my idea is a complete revamp of tanks so nothing that we have currently has any relevance to it, isk price, who owns it and what seat they get, what skills they have spent all their sp on. it has no relevance at this moment in time. its a basic idea so the argument i bought it and skilled into it so its all mine is irrelevent. its not just yours in my idea. its a squad asset.

the owner could be the top gunner if that was his/ her prefered position although its unlikely but its still a choice. as for who buys it. you, corp,squad,team, a friend, borrow or steal it.

as for sp well you no longer need 20-30 mil sp to be any good. you only need sp for the seat you prefer to take.

did i say someone had to skill into the chassis,

did i say someone had to skill into the turrets,

i did say they are only responsible for their own space in the tank. specialise or jack of all trades it thats upto the individual crew member.

calling in the vehicle. why would anyone have to be skilled into it. on the current system they would have too but this is not in the current system its an idea and things could be changed so it could be implemented. like i said use it as a squad asset. orbitals are squad assets so they could easy be called in via a system like that.

also who is to say ccp couldn't come up with an option to fit your own part of the tank in vehicle fittings so just a chassis or just a turret with their own pq/cpu etc. the chassis pilot could call in the vehicle and it then is asked by the system which gunner he is using. he selects the main gunner and the main gunner gets a message to accept. once accepted the vehicle comes in with the completed vehicle with one persons chassis and the others turret

Perhaps don't bring tank in pubs then.
Look something else for solo pwn suit.

1. Honestly I would call that team work if your attitude is the way it is now, generally theres at least a shred of mutual respect between teammates

2. How do you know that? Are you using just any random joe schmoe to prove your point or are you using experience with squaddies you know as your example

3. To me giving up one pair of boots on the ground so a tank can have both greater mobility and more accurate firepower on the move seems like a fair trade off

How do you know the pilot isn't directly wired into the tank? There's no view of the cockpit so how can you speak with any certainty?

you buy an orbital with wp so why not a squad based tank if you have the squad members to use it.

you state my suggestion is flawed in many ways but none of you have stated why, plenty of no's and zero reasons why.

no i dont want tanks removed but if tank users are unwilling to compromise then they have no purpose in dust

you are asking that tank users have the only say on balance to tanks when any buff to tanks is a nerf to all infantry to which there are more of us than you.

as for trolling. i made a legitimate suggestion. it is you few unwilling to take any suggestions or work on them to come up with a better idea who are trolling.

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It doesn't make sense at all.

Well perhaps solo operated tanks could be smaller ones, like scout tanks?

And multi operated be the toughest heavy tanks?

Funny how all the tankers say they work as part of their team but any suggestions making their vehicle most effective with team work get shot down isnt it
Anyway I bet you a dollar they would lock everyone out and just jump around every seat if your suggestions were ever implemented

Of course he thinks it's okay, because it's not going to directly affect him.

misconceptions of most tank drivers

"we provide cover"

no you don't, we jump inside to hide and you moan, we hide down the side and you drive away because you think we are going to jump inside,you don't go anywhere near the enemy because all you care about is protecting your own hide so we are left exposed or cant advance without taking losses.

"we provide covering fire"

no you don't, you are only out there to get kills. any shooting you do is because it might get you a kill. your not covering open ground or suppressing the enemy. your purely kill whoring.

" we are team players"

biggest misconception of them all. your in a 3 seater tank and all you want to do is solo in it, if you had a choice you would lock the vehicle and remove the turrets so you could fit more dps and tank. i would hardly call that team oriented behaviour. you complain when someone is in your vehicle who might actually help you spot swarmers or fg before they hit you. instead you still prefer to solo and blame av for your issues or the team on the ground for not killing them before they get to you.

" we spent all the isk and sp to use them so we should be able to do what we want"

a FG user spends alot of sp and isk to do his job dedicated to kill you
a swarm user spends alot of sp and isk to do his job dedicated to kill you

only difference your weapons kill everyone the same regardless of what everyone else has fit. also you might die once in 5 games losing a mil isk. mercs on the ground might die alot more times in that same amount and lose alot more isk than you.

people are treating tanks like suits and expect to solo in them the same as a merc solo's in his suit but your wrong. you are a merc first then a tank driver. the tank is an asset same as a piece of equipment thrown on the ground for support or tactical situations. they need to be look at in the same way and not treated and compared to other suits and weapons.

Because I really want tanks (HAVs) to be big, bad monsters of the battlefield. I want tanks and AV balanced so that it takes several players using good teamwork to kill them. I want proto tanks that can only be killed by a group of proto AV infantry.

However, in order for tanks to be so strong it takes multiple players working as a team to kill them, and for the game to remain balanced, it must take multiple players working as a team to operate them.

All the other HAV/AV balance suggestions I've seen so far are based around balancing on ISK, which is doomed to failure as we all get richer. We need to balance the game first and foremost on the most limited resource in Dust battles, which is the players. Balance on that first, and then tune the balance with ISK.

Really, this got 7 pages??

As someone that doesnt agree with fellow tankers, this thread has made me see what they prolly go through

This is by far, the most stupid "tank thread" i ever seen, but you know, it was made by some guy called "adam and steve"

Troll thread is troll thread

Dear ******., contact me in game and i'll call you a fully specced shield tank, so you can have a turn, as clearly you dont know shite about tanks....

untill then you should just stfu, as your opinion counts for **** all, at the very least you could specced into proto swarms like the rest of us, but no, your rocking that milita gettting all butthurt coz you cant even dent us

if you canrt solo a tank, then you are, a BAD player, end off, you suck dude, and should prolly go play sudoku or some sh!t

You don't need to insult the guy so rudely......