so much hostility. even mention "change" and "tank" in the same sentence and tank drivers lose it lol.

there is a reason why there will always be issues with tanks and its nothing to do with the tanks themselves

Funny how all the tankers say they work as part of their team but any suggestions making their vehicle most effective with team work get shot down isnt it
Anyway I bet you a dollar they would lock everyone out and just jump around every seat if your suggestions were ever implemented

1: The only way for us to survive (blasters mostly) is to have the scrubs back us up, and in return, we give you little buggers a lot of covering fire. Teamwork.

2: We shoot it down because half of the time, you ******* would make us useless.

3: Most pilots who main tanking would just quit if this were to happen, and everyone else would just not use them. It's bad enough that a less experienced person would use the gun, but that's another player taken off the board to make a vehicle actually useful.

NO

I spend the money on the tank, I control it.

Nuff said.

So let me get this straight... Build a tank for 800k-3kk, then drive it and operate a turret with only 180 degree's POV, then allow some absolute scrub to get all the fun using the main turret that costs anyhere from 100k-1kk...NO [font size=******* HUGE]NO[/font]

Thats as bad as the idea tank pilots should only get to drive, all turrets have additional gunners. Absurd. Tanker skills in ISK's in, everyone else reaps benefit, tank owner has to restock when fail gunners get ya killed.

How about this: Tank owner(the guy who skilled in purchased and built tank) drives the tank with full operation of top turret, small turrets are not only optional but are lockable to no-one/team/squad.

Someone needs to skill into the chassis. Someone needs to skill into the main turret.

If the person who skills into the chassis is the driver, he would never skill into turrets that he won't be using.

If the person who skills into the chassis also has to skill into the turret, he is investing SP for someone else to use something, which is ridiculous.

And yes, whomever is calling it in has to skill into the whole vehicle, which he can't use, because that is how the fitting system works.

Your idea is bad, but instead of giving it up you are going to try and keep acting like it is a good idea.

Also, you don't need 20 million SP to be good in tanks. You cna make very servicable fits for less than 6, can roll PC if you choose your skills wisely at 7, and be fit maxxed for one type of tank at around 8.5-9.5.

So I'll support this type of BS as long as:

Heavies need a Logi to spawn in their HMG for them.

Only Logis can equip nanohives.

All infantry must get their grenades from a nanaohive, as they spawn with zero.

All infantry spawn with half of their current ammo, to promote teamwork.

All infantry are limited by the meta level of what their squad leader spawns in. He goes MLT, you do to.

Because if you want to promote teamwork, lets do it with infantry as well. Because as long as an Assault troop with a Duvolle and AV nades is an omni threat, then we can't be trying to force teamwork on other parts of the game.

All of this is completely irrelevant because tanking is already highly team oriented if you want to survive. You can't ignore the infantry with you, because if they pull back and you decide to hang out and try and get more kills, you are getting blown up pretty fast.

So let me get this straight... Build a tank for 800k-3kk, then drive it and operate a turret with only 180 degree's POV, then allow some absolute scrub to get all the fun using the main turret that costs anyhere from 100k-1kk...NO [font size=******* HUGE]NO[/font]

Thats as bad as the idea tank pilots should only get to drive, all turrets have additional gunners. Absurd. Tanker skills in ISK's in, everyone else reaps benefit, tank owner has to restock when fail gunners get ya killed.

How about this: Tank owner(the guy who skilled in purchased and built tank) drives the tank with full operation of top turret, small turrets are not only optional but are lockable to no-one/team/squad.

1)driver drives and operates front turret and tanking modules

2)main gunner operates main turret and turret modules.

3)top gunner is exposed out of the top turret like on an lav.

double tank ehp due to complexity of new tank controls. no more solo tanking.
add in complete lock out on tanks by the owner. when he/she calls it in it is locked completely until he/she unlocks it for crew or it is hacked by the enemy. this allows them to select the position in the tank they want. they can also unlock for squad only or free for all.

add in climbing in and out of vehicles to commit people to the tank crew and not just instant hitch a ride or hide.

vehicle views would have to be tweaked slightly.

driver would get a front view screen only which incorporates his /hers forward turret.

main gunner would have full allround view as the tank driver currently gets while not in turret view. this comes at the expense of having your head out the top of the turret. when in turret mode you are no longer exposed but have only the turret zoom view.

the top gunner is always exposed but has an extended view of the area around the tank. his turret would have a forward shield for shield tanks and an arm shield for arm tanks. he is completely protected from the direction his turret is facing..

the full crew makes the tank very effective when they work together. if 1 is taken out then this effectiveness is reduced. when the tank is in full combat mode then the top gunner is the general allround eyes. if he is taken out then its doen to the main gunner who is now at a reduced visual effectiveness.

this basicly allows players to disable tanks without actually needing to destroy them

1: The only way for us to survive (blasters mostly) is to have the scrubs back us up, and in return, we give you little buggers a lot of covering fire. Teamwork.

2: We shoot it down because half of the time, you ******* would make us useless.

3: Most pilots who main tanking would just quit if this were to happen, and everyone else would just not use them. It's bad enough that a less experienced person would use the gun, but that's another player taken off the board to make a vehicle actually useful.

If a fecking titan in eve uses all his own weapons and modules, then im pretty fecking sure my piddily little tank can also

The support for a tank, is either, good gunners in the aux turrets, or YOU the ******* infantry, preferably both

and regarding offering constructive criticism on your idea, maybe you would have got some, if you had just thought about it, come on, your idea is fecking stupid for reasons already mentioned

you basicly just sh!t on anyone that doesnt role in a corp, or as i said already, maybe you wont have friends online when you are

and as my post above this, you cant trust random blues to main the turrets when 90% of them just want troll you

how about ISK, you still cant buy anything with WP, all they are good for are orbital strikes.

but still your post is flawed in so many ways... and to top that you even admitted that you want tanks removed from the game (you may have not meant it (no you meant it)), and now your one of the biggest enemies we face as we are trying to achieve balance.

after I make this post, this thread will probably be locked for trolling or il just stop posting on this nonsense and let you non-tankers decide the fate of tankers for the 92nd time.

you are the perfect example of why tanks will never be fixed. me,me,me,me,me. and hostility towards any change that is not a buff

a pod pilot is nothing like a dust merc. a pod pilot is wired directly into his craft. a merc just drives it with his arms and legs. absolutely no comparison there.

also you have it wrong. the tank is there to support the troops on the ground who actually capture stuff to win the fight. not the other way round. another delusion of the tank driver

you gave no reasons until now why it was bad, oh yes you did, what was it, i cant solo tank with your idea. more me,me,me

as for people not being online to man your vehicle. well congratulations you found a flaw and gave constructive criticism on it. gold star to this guy. we are making progress.

So let me get this straight... Build a tank for 800k-3kk, then drive it and operate a turret with only 180 degree's POV, then allow some absolute scrub to get all the fun using the main turret that costs anyhere from 100k-1kk...NO [font size=******* HUGE]NO[/font]

Thats as bad as the idea tank pilots should only get to drive, all turrets have additional gunners. Absurd. Tanker skills in ISK's in, everyone else reaps benefit, tank owner has to restock when fail gunners get ya killed.

How about this: Tank owner(the guy who skilled in purchased and built tank) drives the tank with full operation of top turret, small turrets are not only optional but are lockable to no-one/team/squad.

Someone needs to skill into the chassis. Someone needs to skill into the main turret.

If the person who skills into the chassis is the driver, he would never skill into turrets that he won't be using.

If the person who skills into the chassis also has to skill into the turret, he is investing SP for someone else to use something, which is ridiculous.

And yes, whomever is calling it in has to skill into the whole vehicle, which he can't use, because that is how the fitting system works.

Your idea is bad, but instead of giving it up you are going to try and keep acting like it is a good idea.

Also, you don't need 20 million SP to be good in tanks. You cna make very servicable fits for less than 6, can roll PC if you choose your skills wisely at 7, and be fit maxxed for one type of tank at around 8.5-9.5.

So I'll support this type of BS as long as:

Heavies need a Logi to spawn in their HMG for them.

Only Logis can equip nanohives.

All infantry must get their grenades from a nanaohive, as they spawn with zero.

All infantry spawn with half of their current ammo, to promote teamwork.

All infantry are limited by the meta level of what their squad leader spawns in. He goes MLT, you do to.

Because if you want to promote teamwork, lets do it with infantry as well. Because as long as an Assault troop with a Duvolle and AV nades is an omni threat, then we can't be trying to force teamwork on other parts of the game.

All of this is completely irrelevant because tanking is already highly team oriented if you want to survive. You can't ignore the infantry with you, because if they pull back and you decide to hang out and try and get more kills, you are getting blown up pretty fast.

So let me get this straight... Build a tank for 800k-3kk, then drive it and operate a turret with only 180 degree's POV, then allow some absolute scrub to get all the fun using the main turret that costs anyhere from 100k-1kk...NO [font size=******* HUGE]NO[/font]

Thats as bad as the idea tank pilots should only get to drive, all turrets have additional gunners. Absurd. Tanker skills in ISK's in, everyone else reaps benefit, tank owner has to restock when fail gunners get ya killed.

How about this: Tank owner(the guy who skilled in purchased and built tank) drives the tank with full operation of top turret, small turrets are not only optional but are lockable to no-one/team/squad.

how about ISK, you still cant buy anything with WP, all they are good for are orbital strikes.

but still your post is flawed in so many ways... and to top that you even admitted that you want tanks removed from the game (you may have not meant it (no you meant it)), and now your one of the biggest enemies we face as we are trying to achieve balance.

after I make this post, this thread will probably be locked for trolling or il just stop posting on this nonsense and let you non-tankers decide the fate of tankers for the 92nd time.