He goes 22-0 vs dedicated anti tank players... and he's new at it. Nerf tanks.

He goes 22-0 vs dedicated anti tank players... and he's new at it. Nerf tanks.

He goes 22-0 vs dedicated anti tank players... and he's new at it. Nerf tanks.

He goes 22-0 vs dedicated anti tank players... and he's new at it. Nerf tanks.

He goes 22-0 vs dedicated anti tank players... and he's new at it. Nerf tanks.

i think we all see the problem here... armor reps.


that is all, well i did have one more thing to say, with vehicles getting pushed from 1.5 they should atleast change resistance for explosives to give gunnlogi missile tanks a chance to take down armor tanks. as it stands its the norm for armor tanks to recharge their health while taking large missile fire.

for the 1st time someone actually explains our side of the argument, in a non bias way:

Thank you Pyrex

it stand no chance against a armor tank

without the armor reps we have armor tanks wouldn't last 1/10th of the amount of time they survive now. after the prophesized vehicle change hopefully the stats all get fixed but we will have survivability also.

for the 1st time someone actually explains our side of the argument, in a non bias way:

Thank you Pyrex

''Tanks Arent STrong'' ======> Doesnt die a single time even while being shot by a forge gun and a swarm launcher AT THE SAME TIME.

In the first video , our friend here calls in his tank and some other player too (2 or 3 tanks maybe?)
Each time the poor enemy team would take AV out they would get ravaged by infantry.
The numers are WAY too small (12 vs 12? ) To sacrifice 5+ infatry players to try and take down 2 tanks...

MLT tanks shouldnt die to 2 forge guns shot. PROTO FG vs MLT tank? SRSLY?

He runs around in a 7800 HP tank,with resistance, easily owning people (And his aim sucks) and then says that tanks are not strong.
Then says that FG need a nerf while getting hit by swarms and FG alike and he just walks off with his damage resistances and armor regen modules active asit is nothing LOL....

TAnks dont need a buff, they are ok as they are. The only sane thing he said is: ''TANKERS NEVER KNOW WHEN TO GT*O''

Good for him that he knows when to fight and when to leave.

WAnt to BUFF TANKS?
NERF FGs?

DO IT, but then limit a battle to a MAXIMUM of 1 tank per team. BALANCE....

face it the reps are the problem. when a light rep does more then what heavy rep should do they are broken. do the math, its true.
if armor tank only used one light rep that would be more effective then a shield using a heavy booster. even armor LLAVs have more recovering ability then shield tanks. armor tanks survive 10x worse then what shield tanks can.

He runs around in a 7800 HP tank

A Wiley shield tanker running a fit filled with damage boosters and a railgun is a scary prospect for a Maddy out in the open. They'd be popping us left and right if it wasn't for our broken reps.

Err, no? CPOPyrex has been a tank player for ages. This is just the first time he's gone back into tanking in a while. He got 22-0 in that game because they were up against a sh*t squad. Starting at 10:36 he got jacked up. From 6,000 heath to 2,000. If he was so OP why didn't he stand there and take it?

lol, their AV wasn't even advanced. do you think everyone has proto AV hello no, everyone is too lazy to do that.

1 tank per team... haha no, if you want infantry only game, go play call of duty and leave us be

He should have died from a sneeze.

OP vehicles are OP.

''Tanks Arent STrong'' ======> Doesnt die a single time even while being shot by a forge gun and a swarm launcher AT THE SAME TIME.

In the first video , our friend here calls in his tank and some other player too (2 or 3 tanks maybe?)
Each time the poor enemy team would take AV out they would get ravaged by infantry.
The numers are WAY too small (12 vs 12? ) To sacrifice 5+ infatry players to try and take down 2 tanks..,

MLT tanks shouldnt die to 2 forge guns shot. PROTO FG vs MLT tank? SRSLY?

He runs around in a 7800 HP tank,with resistance, easily owning people (And his aim sucks) and then says that tanks are not strong.
Then says that FG need a nerf while getting hit by swarms and FG alike and he just walks off with his damage resistances and armor regen modules active asit is nothing LOL....

NOT EVEYONE IS TOO LAZY TO DO THAT. I have All AV weapons at proto level,and guess what? Tanks CAN get away and CAN survive...And they are a pain to deal with...If a FGunner is NOT in an elevated place,hes useless,since he cant keep shooting the tanks unti l he gets the kill (like in the first map they played...) A swarm launcher specialist NEEDS to be at certain distance exposing himself to enemy infantry,same with AV nades.


Im sorry but its a VERY limited player per map game. 12 on each side?
if one team decides to bing out 3 tanks the amount of AV weaponry needed would be of a MINIMUM of 4 AV specialistsThat will get ravaged by enemy infantry and tanks alike,plus,making taking out so many tanks will be a prriority to the AV specialists while RISKING to loose the game because of inferior OBJECTIVE focused infantry.

So you dont want 1 tank per game? then leave FGs and tanks as they are.

Our friend here who made the video,Pirex was it? Just proof how powerful tanks are....
Turrets were useless vs it, AV was useless vs him and when something HURT him,he was fast enought to get away with impunity...

lol closed minded ignorant fool...

I pity the world for allowing ignorance to thrive.. ==> Yup, you shouldt totally kill yourself.

he could get away because apparently he has intelligence in tanking and knows his own weaknesses ==> Yup you should learn from him instead of whining on the forums on daily basis.

on your "AV gets ****** up by infantry" argument, get your damn blues to defend you, that's what you tell us when we go against infantry, take your own advice. ==> Even with a tank, if one guy can solo in a tank and do good,so should an infantry be able to solo a tank and do good.You just tooke the most Expensive and HP strong wise side...thats all...

@ Void: its not my fault you suck at what you do (that was to anyone that complains about every single AV being able to kill you,saying you need a BUFF and FG need a nerf, you just suck because you expect everything handed to you)

TY Pyrex for proof positive Tanks are OP.

TY Pyrex for proof positive Tanks are OP.

FFS, skip to 13:07 of that video and then press "stop." Read the list of names, and do a scavenger hunt and look for anything those names have in common.

On the left side, I see "Unholy Legion of Darkstar," a corp that Pyrex's main happens to be a member of. So we have three Darkstar stompers in good gear, and one darkstar stomper in a tank, who were undoutbedly communicating with each other using mics. On the right, I see no names in common. A pure, unorganized pub group.

Soooo wait...the squad filled with experienced players using good equipment stomped a mud hole into the unorganized lambs waiting to be sheared? And the experienced players protected their tank? And any tank that gets protected by its team can get kills?

HAX

Didn't die because he backed off whenever they brought out AV, and he had squadmates willing to jump out of the tank to defend it.
OK TEAMWORK.


Yeah. Teamwork? People covering each other's backs? It looked so nice. You can't nerf teamwork, Checkmate.
He also redacted and said that proto should beat Militia. Don't take it out of context.
Ok TEAMWORK
Yes he did say that proto shoudl beat MLT,after he complained about it... So its like , OMG I GOT KILLED IN 2 SHOTS NERF! but im ok with it... WHAT?

Actually it's 6800 health, 2 hardeners, one pg extender, and a rep with a stage three turret. Very, very, very standard build that gets crushed in no time by good players. And what do you mean by "Getting hit by swarms and a FG like it was nothing"? He had to vamoose every time. He didn't sit and tank it, he retreated and left it to his teammates. This is smart playing. Nerf teamwork.
Well we all saw him, he was playing smart. So...you guys should learn to use that ''teamwork'' to tank instead of keep asking for nerfs in AV and buffs in tanks. so you can solo a whole enemy tank......

Anyway, He was squad-ing with his corp against some really bad pub players, and he was still taking a hammering. Imagine if those guys had been good? Nerf teamwork.
I DIDNT SEE ANY HAMMERING. He didnt die once, so i dont know what is this HAMMERING you are talking about. Hammering is dying 20 times in a game. THATS HAMMERING, of course, i dont think ANY tanker knows what that feels.

I find it amazing that tank players can watch this video and see a guy barely surviving but doing so thanks to the efforts of his team, but AV players can watch it and somehow see Godzilla rampaging through Tokyo. That is too funny.
You know whats also funny? Seeing a tanker that does well because hes playing with his ''TEAM'' and having teamwork. And tankers insead of realizing hes doing good an thanks to his TEAM he doesnt die, INSTEAD of organising stuff with your corps to PLAY like taht you just want buffs and nerfs to benefit your solo tanking.


He wasn't calling for a Forge gun nerf. He loves Forge guns. He uses forge Guns. He says flat out how much the game sucked when Tanks were unstoppable. He is however, accurately pointing out the present innate imbalance between Vehicles and AV
OF Course hes gonna say he loves the FG, he doesnt want to sound Biased. There is no imbalance.Just a lot of whine. 1 on 1 a Tanks defeats infantry how it should be. Point made, the rest depends on position,teamwork,level of AV weaponry etc...How can you even say imbalance after a video clearly showing a decent tank driver (he even admits he's new) OWNING everyone as if they were maggots....

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I know goldfish and small bacterial life that have a better capacity of thought than you. Tanks are not op in the slightest. So what if I have to give my light to carry my swarms to reign death on maddies. I have a smg to deal with reds and the two greens at my back to end any real threat.

SO BASICALLY, What our friend Tanker proved ALL of us,is that TEAMWORK is the KEY right? THEN STOP whining about your tanks sucking and play as a team.

You're using a double standard, Checkmate. He used teamwork and excelled because of it, but you're still complaining because the tank didn't get blown up.

1) do not use anon or my crop tags in this./ Do not tell me what to do, i do what i want.

2) your entire farce post are saying with your wording and mannerisms that are tanks are op. That a tank should be soloed by a one guy...,. Just no/ Nope, what im saying is that AV are NOT OP.

3) anon is infact also a good tanker with a high sp alt. still gets soloed so clearly tanks are up./ I know, even better than you that hes a good player, and a good tanker.

4) vet tankers in our corp better than anon get soloed by forgeguns. Clearly op right there like you say / Nope, they just didnt know when to get out, as Pyrex said.

And when VET tankers are talking common sense for once (looking at you qq queen char ) about tanking and av and infantry are not. Well that is sad/ Im sorry i didnt quite get this.

AT LEAST I HAVE CAPACITY of Thought.
Look you re*arded smuck, im getting realy tired of your scrubness and the only reason i havnt replied to you before is because he respect i have For ANON Illuminati (because hes my mentor).
BUT PLEASE tell me WHERE IN THIS THREAD i said tanks are OP and i'll send you 5 million you way NOw.

At 10:38, he gets dropped from 6,000 health to 2,300 in about three seconds. He ran away. Hammered.

At 2:37, his friend's tank gets dropped from 6,700 health to 3,800 in two hits, and runs away. Hammered.

At 5:40, he gets dropped from 6,500 health to 2,700 and had to run away. Hammered.

Yeeeah.

I run starter infantry in ambush in order to fund my tanks for skirmish, Checkmate. I die all the time. Hell, I even ran into Void Echo a few times. He runs infantry and dies too. Tanking is something you do because you like doing it. It's not profitable or sustainable. Every good game as a tanker is built on a lot of frustrating losses, and boring grinding.

Our friend here who made the video,Pirex was it? Just proof how powerful tanks are....[/b]
Turrets were useless vs it, AV was useless vs him and when something HURT him,he was fast enought to get away with impunity...

AT LEAST I HAVE CAPACITY of Thought.
Look you re*arded smuck, im getting realy tired of your scrubness and the only reason i havnt replied to you before is because he respect i have For ANON Illuminati (because hes my mentor).
BUT PLEASE tell me WHERE IN THIS THREAD i said tanks are OP and i'll send you 5 million you way NOw.

3 points you cant deny:

1-I've never said TANKS ARE OP. I say they are good. Contrary to TANKERS SAYING THEY ARE UP.Im against NERFING AV WEAPONRY, tahts about it and what really triggers my posting.I use my tales of times i cant kill a tanks as proof that good tankers can and DO survive in the battlefield. OF COURSE I CAN KILL TANKS WITH MY PROTO AV WEAPORY.If im on a roof and i have full vision of the map,my ISHIKUNE FG will rip any tank appart if he doesnt hide on time. Same with the Proto Swarms and Grenades,if i have the advantage to be able to shoot the tanks without being seen....ADD ON: Im not EVEN AGAINST Buffing tanks, if with this we get a reduction in numers deplyed per battle. (Say 1-2 tanks MAX ,considering the low player count available per game)I've even posted several times tanks and their modules + turrets SHOULD be cheaper,in an ATTEMPT TO ENCOURAGE TANKING.
2-If you are going to make a video to make a point, this point being ''tanks are UP'' , DOnt show a video owning people with a Tank.
3-@ My Compatriot True Adamance. ISK wise you are not even that far away. My adv suit costs around 85k. Bring in consideration being infantry YOU WILL DIE, doesnt matter how good you get to be,because there is always a random grenade, an enemy ambush, a tank that owns you when you dont have your AV, Charged sniper rifle etc....So i do between 5-8 deaths per game. This is between 1700000 ISK and 2720000 ISK Every 4 games. I've seen TANKERs taht dont die in 4 games.I havnt seen anyone BUT a sniper in 1.4 that can go 4 games in a row without dying once. Lets say you loose a 3 million isk tank every 4 games. Thats only 280000 more ISK, at the advantage of a much better K-D ratio and field presence....
If you loose 1 3mil tank every game,you are doing it wrong.

pyrex's video is the 1st to talk about the balance without being biased which none of us can do

We agree on somthing.

STILL, he does pretty damn good with a tanks to say they are UP.

I'll tell you wahts UP, COMMANDOS are UP, SCOUTS ARE UP...not tanks...

I could care less about infantry, they are the ones that got us into this mess in the 1st place.

did you even bother looking on the enemy team he was fighting against? there was NO ORGANIZATION, NO INTELLIGENCE AND NO DEDICATED AV ON THEIR SIDE, all the seem to have was standard AV.

you expect people intelligence and knowledge with what they do and with higher level modules to be soloed by some random red that is too lazy to fully skill into AV like they should that is too ******* stupid to use teamwork like they demand for us?

Call of Dusty is that way:
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3 points you cant deny:

1-I've never said TANKS ARE OP. I say they are good. Contrary to TANKERS SAYING THEY ARE UP.Im against NERFING AV WEAPONRY, tahts about it and what really triggers my posting.I use my tales of times i cant kill a tanks as proof that good tankers can and DO survive in the battlefield. OF COURSE I CAN KILL TANKS WITH MY PROTO AV WEAPORY.If im on a roof and i have full vision of the map,my ISHIKUNE FG will rip any tank appart if he doesnt hide on time. Same with the Proto Swarms and Grenades,if i have the advantage to be able to shoot the tanks without being seen....ADD ON: Im not EVEN AGAINST Buffing tanks, if with this we get a reduction in numers deplyed per battle. (Say 1-2 tanks MAX ,considering the low player count available per game)I've even posted several times tanks and their modules + turrets SHOULD be cheaper,in an ATTEMPT TO ENCOURAGE TANKING.
2-If you are going to make a video to make a point, this point being ''tanks are UP'' , DOnt show a video owning people with a Tank.
3-@ My Compatriot True Adamance. ISK wise you are not even that far away. My adv suit costs around 85k. Bring in consideration being infantry YOU WILL DIE, doesnt matter how good you get to be,because there is always a random grenade, an enemy ambush, a tank that owns you when you dont have your AV, Charged sniper rifle etc....So i do between 5-8 deaths per game. This is between 1700000 ISK and 2720000 ISK Every 4 games. I've seen TANKERs taht dont die in 4 games.I havnt seen anyone BUT a sniper in 1.4 that can go 4 games in a row without dying once. Lets say you loose a 3 million isk tank every 4 games. Thats only 280000 more ISK, at the advantage of a much better K-D ratio and field presence....
If you loose 1 3mil tank every game,you are doing it wrong.

-1st/ Stop it with the CoD crap.Its getting old and its not insulting,just stupid. I;ve never played that game, I played MAG.
-2nd/World of TANKS is that way (XD) =========>
-3rd/ The difference between you and me is i do KIND of care about vehicles ,because they are a part of the game i like. There for, making all my opinions more valid than your tank loving biased opinions.
4th/Yes i see the randoms trying to win an already finished match, but when you tankers get killed by AV weaponry, you also dont see the ifantry behind you throwing packed AV nades, the FGunner sniping you from a roof?.. NO , you only saw 2 swarms coming your way and came in to QQ how a Proto SL totally wrecks your tank.
5th/I have fully skilled Proto AV. I even have proficiency.Im an above avarege player and even with some help sometimes is impossible to drop a tank. So no, i dont want some random scrub with MLT swarms to drop a tank. I want tankers to start realizing , THEY ARE NOT BEING SOLOED. they are being hunt down by different AV players at the time ....

I think I was in the opposing team on that vid, we got raped because what you don't see is that they had two MORE tanks on the field.
Half my team seemed to be afk'ing and I was the only one who even seemed to have av nades (those packed av nades) and my one squad mate only had a militia sl.
The reason they dominated that match was because my team SUCKED, if I had squaded up with my regular corp members before the match I bet things would have gone differently. Instead I went 9-14 and was first on the damn list, it felt like I'd randomly been lumped with a bunch of noobs for that one game. Has anyone else recently experienced this kind of godawful matchmaking lately? My norm for soloing is 1st or second place with 15-2, that night I got about four games in the row of nothing but this kind of bs

anyone else that thinks that infantry are perfect and intelligent? read his post.

Oh so now we are ALL stupid...?

**** you Void. LOL

BUT he does prove 1 of my points: Tanks should get a limitation to 1-2 at the time. more than 2 is just too much
(if the y get a buff that is)

your stupid if you have the mindset that vehicles are meant to be **** and this should be mainly or purely an infantry game

your stupid if you have the mindset that vehicles are meant to be **** and this should be mainly or purely an infantry game

Your stupid since you want to turn DUST514 into Twisted meta. ITS A FPS.

First person SHOOTER.not tanker.

SHOOOOOOOOOOOOOTER

actually checkmate, Pyrex is a forger, anyone who watches his videos or knows him in game knows he is a forger

its not 100% shooter you ******... another point, why would they put vehicles in if they wanted it to be about infantry mainly?

NOBODY SAYS IT HAS TO BE ONLY about infantry.

All FPS have a vehicle element. But vehicles, IN FPS GAMES, are support role. Not , LOL me tanker i own all 12 red alone... like you want it to be.

Please comment on my post Void...i wanna hear how you try and say your opinion has more merit then someone elses, given the same context.

on other FPS do you put personal investment into vehicles? in other games do you pay for vehicles with your own ingame currency?

in this game, do you see vehicles being regenerated at random in the same place over and over again, in this game does pilot not suffer from the destruction of vehicles?

so the **** what if in other games they have support vehicles, I believe that the dropship counts as the support vehicle here.

on other FPS do you survive 2+ AV weaponry? in other games are you able to play as a tanker and NOT DIE?

in this game, do you see a single RPG take down your tank?

'' in this game does pilot not suffer from the destruction of vehicles?'' = Well yeah. Everybody hates to die and loose money. so?

You talk like if getting ALL PROTO AV and getting killed 5+ times for hunting TAnks and somettimes not even killing them is not investment at all.
I CANNOT REASON with you, you dont EVER put in someone elses shoes. You just think tank,tank,tank...
I created and played as a 8 mil tanker for a whole month,just to see what it was all about. I would really LOVE to see a vid of you killing a good tank/tanker ALONE.

seriously? I do it all the ******* time, ask other tankers how many times iv destroyed other tanks and been destroyed by them, and I do it all nearly solo, I never ask for help from AV unless its in a PC match, everywhere else, im either running solo or going with other tankers, and in every battle I destroy tanks alone..
New Flash.Then they are not good tanks/tankers. EASY.

OR he was unlucky and got AV naded by someone else and you thought (and i wouldnt be surprised) that you are allmighty there by your proto AV 1HKO's tanks

yes I think that tanks should be taken seriously because I am bored of the same old damn dull **** I get from every FPS out there.
This game will not shift and change just because 1 close minded player is bored. get over yourself.

also, in other games, no you don't get to play as a tanker, you don't get your own personal vehicle to invest in and upgrade with your own ****.
Might not be personal,but you CAN upgrade tanks with a lot of stuff (like BF3) and yes,you CAN BE A TANKER as a profesion.

Stop arguing with Checkmate, he is just a scrub who wants others to feel as impotent as he does.

He has no concepts of balance, and especially no idea of what is involved in tanking. Just let him be his scrubby self, and pretend he doesn't exist.

He has no value, and his opinions are even dumber than he is.

my opinion matters because I am a ******* tanker. how would you like your **** getting constantly ****** over without your consent.

I have skilled into both tanks and AV, my opinion has much more merit than some ignorant biased shithead who doesn't want Dust to be Dust

I think the same of you :3
How nice.

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Anyways echo. im trying to reason here wih you but you are not understanding me.

Tanks are not OP. AV is not OP.
If tanks get buff, there SHOULD be a limitation of the amound of tanks deployed in a 12 vs 12 battle...

Stop arguing with Checkmate, he is just a scrub who wants others to feel as impotent as he does.

He has no concepts of balance, and especially no idea of what is involved in tanking. Just let him be his scrubby self, and pretend he doesn't exist.

He has no value, and his opinions are even dumber than he is.

So...now you are assuming things? based on what?

No, I don't have 15 mil SP invested into tanks. Do you?

I went pure Forge gun after the HMG was decided by CCP to become a **** weapon. And i know for a fact, that against say...Ted Nugget, after 6 Forge gun shots against his Madruger, from an Ishukone Assault Forge gun with Prof 5 skill, he was still chugging along with a little under half HP out of my line of sight.

6 Forge hits, with a proto assault FG, with prof 5, with two complex damage mods...can't kill him because he knows how to tank, and knows when he needs to retreat. Now this was DURING his self judged execution of half a dozen blueberries. He was killing ****, while taking fire from a single Proto AVer, getting kills and still managed to easily get away.

We all know that until you have the SP to properly fit a tank, its a water balloon ready to pop.

We all ALSO know that a properly fitted tank is a damn god on the battlefield.

Why can't you admit that? The entire vehicle and AV **** needs a rebalancing, and that will come eventually.

What makes me assume you aren't a high SP tanker, or at least, not a pro...is your complete "ignorance" of both sides of the coin, or your simple refusal to admit that there's a problem on both ends of the Rock/Paper system.

Either or, after 6 months you are simply sounding like a douche who cares for nothing but the resurrection of the godmode that was tanks in the past, with no argument on how to actually balance the two to be in sync.

It's rock/paper/scissors. Even tanks HAVE to have a weakness in this game, or else wtf is the point of rock/paper/scissors?

It's rock/paper/scissors. Even tanks HAVE to have a weakness in this game, or else wtf is the point of rock/paper/scissors?

everything you know about tanks is wrong, dead wrong, try skilling into them and run them yourself (NO CORP FRIENDS HELPING YOU) and tell me that its easy.

tanks are not OP, av is not UP. if there would be a limitation on vehicles, CCP would kill its pilot community here, this is not call of duty.

yeah I do have 15 mill invested in tanks. since when have I denied that there is a problem with the balance?

wow... I hate bringing up my popularity status on the forums and hate bragging about anything but seriously.. do you know who I am?

if you knew who I am, then you wouldn't be asking me those questions.

im the loudest vehicle advocate of the community (I probably have more haters than anyone in the game). and anyone who knows of me knows that I despise infantry for the state of the game, and my fellow tankers know exactly what I want out of tanks, and its not godmode

This is your problem, you expect to run around solo with no team help and still not get killed lol
yeah....no, your dead wrong on that

For a tank to survive against proto av as it stands, more so if theres more than one of them, you pretty much need a good team behind you, whether they randoms or corp mates, either that or spend the match doing laps around the map.
in order for you to make a profit on tanking in general, you need to be one of the best at it, in the situation, if your just average, your nothing. that's the problem

even the dude in the video gets it, like he said, have a look who you got on your team, have a look whos on the opposite and then call your tank in or not based on that.....
that's fine and all, when your teamed up with competent people who will actually pay attention, listen and work for the team's victory... but no, most of the games I get in im always on the team with the stupid ass bluetards

everything you know about tanks is wrong, dead wrong, try skilling into them and run them yourself (NO CORP FRIENDS HELPING YOU) and tell me that its easy.

-You might be right, even with a 8mil + tanker accaunt i Might be wrong, no doubt on that one. Everybody makes mistakes.
-You are asking me to tank SOLO. So you are implying you want to be able to TANK solo and have great matches? Again, and as some tanker was pinpointing before, TEAMWORK is the key. I can DO REALLY well with a tank,even if im a sucky tanker,because i use teamwork, the concept of this game is teamwork, and even as atanker if you are just playing solo and trying to take on another team alone, you will ,and deserve to die.

tanks are not OP, av is not UP.
Agreed.

if there would be a limitation on vehicles, CCP would kill its pilot community here, this is not call of duty.
AGAIN WITH CALL OF DUTY, everytime you say that i convince myself a little more that you are hmhm.. SLOW minded.
OF COURSE THERE SHOULD BE A LIMITATION on vehicles. If vehicles get buffed and no limitations would exist this would be 12 tanks vs 12 tanks... i know THATS what you want,not only its stupid,but dont forget this is a FPS, and Infantry will and SHOULD always be present.

Yea, I've seen you complain consistently on the forums...as well as notice your total SP rising consistently. So you clearly are playing this game you hate so much.

So, why is it that you "don't have a problem with balance", yet at every turn...complain about the balance between tanks and AV. Please link a post where you say "A properly fitted tank can do wonders on a battlefield". I couldn't find one.

The only thing i ever see from you is that tanks are so god damn weak, that ANY solo AVer can pop them in a matter of seconds.

Pray tell me where you talk about ACTUAL balance between AV and tanks, instead of simply buffing tanks to where it takes at least 3 AV to destroy, which you have stated SHOULD be the case in MANY posts.

Don't you have some Dev response threads to say they should be developing **** better?

You have such a high concept of balancing, that you get angry at CCP for holding back a rework of vehicles to make a better balancing patch.

Aren't you satisfied with knowing you're a hypocrite, instead of making posts that explain it so vividly?

But then again, anyone else having an opinion contrary to yours is a mistake in itself.

I love how checkmate thinks there would be 12 v 12 tanks, he has seemingly forgotten about the vehicle limit.

Oh wait, he has never been tanking.

I love how the ret@rded General says im to be ignored yet reads and enjoys my every post.
Like i give a f*** what you think. Im waiting for Void to reply.Even if i think hes demented and WRONG, he defends what he sees correct,gives input and that makes him valuable to the community.
People thinking they are the smartass hot internet lol troll winners , are just sad.

Bro, you are sad

....what? are you actually implying that I am valuable to the community because I defend my views?

that could be why I have a lot of haters..

try skilling into them and run them yourself (NO CORP FRIENDS HELPING YOU) and tell me that its easy.
.

This is your problem, you expect to run around solo with no team help and still not get killed lol

I love how the ret@rded General says im to be ignored yet reads and enjoys my every post.
Like i give a f*** what you think. Im waiting for Void to reply.Even if i think hes demented and WRONG, he defends what he sees correct,gives input and that makes him valuable to the community.
People thinking they are the smartass hot internet lol troll winners , are just sad.

Bro, you are sad

to which you answer



and then




contradict yourself much or what...

your a ******* idiot, plain and simple

But you would know none of these things because your sole intent is to try and rile people up. Your ridiculous statements and hilarious hyperbole is not arguing, nor is it in any way productive.===> ONLY IN THIS PAGE,you have 3 posts, only 1 has an actual elaborate text. Talk about being non productive.

I have grown quite tired of those like you who seem to think that everything is just fine in the tank v infantry balance right now. Unlike most of you scrubs, I actually have a fully specced (16 million SP) out heavy with a prof 5 forge and proto grenades. So I know exactly how easy it is for AV to pop tanks like it is going out of style. I can consistently solo even the most stout of armor tanks. ===>
Im a 15Mill AV specialist,i have proto FG, i have prof 4, and i have proto nades. You smashing weak tankers with your proto gear while in a full squad vs pub players doesnt prove anything. Any garbage player can do that.

So when I see posts about people not being able to kill tanks, I know they are either lying to prevent equilibrium from being reached, or they are just bad at what they do. ===>
As i stated before i only use as examples the times i CANT kill a tank as an example. Why would i use the times i own a tank as an example? like while they are in a city, eat 3 nades and then 1-2 FG shots and boom? Im not bad at what i do.
Equilibrium on what? Tanks are already powerful(didnt say OP,just powerful), have you ever thought that maybe whats BALANCED for YOU,its not blanced for everyone else? havn't you thought, MAYBE , just MAYBE you might be wrong?.
This video actually prooves my point on how strong a tanker can be.

Can you say the same? Of course not. You speak only about one side of the argument, and from my experience as an AV troop, you clearly don't know what you are talking about.==========>
Yeah i can say the same. Im only 1 mill behind you.'.Let me tell you something about experience. I play SOLO with my Proto Gear, i play to win, i dont pub stomp and actually , RARELY use my proto gear.You dont know what the battlefield looks like , TRULY.You are always with friends backing you up. Thats turned you soft,and deluded. You are the type of player that has a 5+Kd ratio,but when playing solo get owned my MLT scrambler pistols.

I know nowyou will say how awesome you are playing solo, 1HKO the enemy MCC with your prof 10 Forge gun.But not only i know its going to be BS,i dont care.

haha, these quotes don't have any purpose without the posts they respond to.

truth is I have many, many opinions to talk about, I may seem contradicting at times, but only to the simple minded

without the armor reps we have armor tanks wouldn't last 1/10th of the amount of time they survive now. after the prophesized vehicle change hopefully the stats all get fixed but we will have survivability also.

They clearly they do, but carry on, its rather amusing

But armor is supposed to be(or at least traditionally is) low reps and big buffer.Right now armor has a biggish buffer and HUGE reps. A complex level heavy repair module repairs like 4000-5000 HP really fast.

and that's why we can survive the AV hammering at the current times, do you not want tanks to be use right now?

do you want them to be completely useless? sounds like you do

No I don't want them to be useless. I want them to be more like they should be. Armor tanks should have massive HP and good damage capabilities but a low repair rate, low speed with high acceleration. Shield take should be much flimsier, but have stupidly fast reps, super high damage, and high speed with slow acceleration.Armor tanks should be brawler-like, driving right into the fray and causing mayhem for awhile before they leave. While Shield tanks should be hit and run or ambush type vehicles, zipping around(compared to armor tanks) and doing massive damage as they drive by, or getting behind the enemy to surprise them with huge alpha damage.

seriously?

wow ignorance is bliss I guess, il should try it sometime, you seem to have a godly image of yourself because of it.

You think heavies are UP. So yeah, you are not the sharpest tool in the shed. But you are a tool.

Thumbs up special guy!

Looks like you are joining Void's bandwagon of spewing **** that doesn't make sense with anything I've said.

Okay, instead of an insult. Prove me otherwise.

I already told you as a Heavy, I've suffered through hardships over a 6 month period.

Tell me how I'm wrong?

Or should i take a page from you and Void's book and say "Pfft, you don't have over 15mil of SP into a Heavy suit, so your opinion doesn't matter."

Or are you gonna result to throwing out insults as your basis of argument?

Edit - oh wait, you already used an insult as your entire counter argument.

Well played sir. You get a like for your originality.

LOL like you have any valid points to offer, if you do then please present them, you haven't done anything otherwise

Are you saying you've provided valid points?

I would quote myself one page back, but I'm sure you would pass it off like you did when i typed it earlier.

You claimed you are all for a balanced Vehicle vs AV.

Yet i stated, based on ALL of your posts that corroborate my comment on you feeling tanks are so weak they should ONLY be able to be destroyed by at least 3 AV (please sir, don't make me link previous posts of yours and make you look god awful ********).

Why instead of admitting you feel that way, you resort to insults?

Please enlighten me on how thats balancing Dust again? all your other posts are just you complaining proto AVers can somehow solo you with ultimate ease.

If you still can't see my point from that post above.

You are far too delusional that you began to believe the lies you are saying.

lies? you think im telling lies?

humorous, tell me, do you believe I lie because your infantry and your against vehicles or did you get your information from your friends.

I don't tell lies, if you think im lying about what I post, then your the delusional one

Actually, i have work at 8 am.

I already have to watch 4 episodes of DVR recorded Adventure Time every morning to appease my daughter.

Please provide me with another post asking where you lied at, and how I have no idea what I'm talking about, even though all your previous posts are open for view by everyone.

I'll enjoy the humour tomorrow morning as i stack DVD's onto the shelves.

(Be sure to make fun of my current profession, lord knows the only thing you do when trapped in a corner, like a rat, is the attempt at insults.)

I don't lie, everything I say is what I believe, you thinking that taking a minimum of 3 AVers to take down a tank is me countering my own posts? your the delusional one.

for the 1st time someone actually explains our side of the argument, in a non bias way:

Thank you Pyrex

You think heavies are UP. So yeah, you are not the sharpest tool in the shed. But you are a tool.

Thumbs up special guy!

I already told you as a Heavy, I've suffered through hardships over a 6 month period.

Tell me how I'm wrong?

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But armor is supposed to be(or at least traditionally is) low reps and big buffer.Right now armor has a biggish buffer and HUGE reps. A complex level heavy repair module repairs like 4000-5000 HP really fast.

That they do.

LOL your opinion matters more than a tanker on the subject of tanks?

tanks do get soloed by AV, all the ******* time, an example is lowrateshitman's video of him soloing someone with lolnades, and he has the same ****** biased mindset as you.

lol. I had to share this post with my wife and step brother.

They loved it as much as i did.

You are now my favourite forum toy.

Rest assured, I'll be looking up your forum posts and showcasing your "logic". It truly is a horribly beautiful sight.

Tankers who think they should fight infantry all day and have an advantage are sick people.

There is a call in limit on tanks for maps... reduce the efficacy drastically on tanks... Make them cost slight over dropsuits... and let the tanks reign...

People who think tankers should be a privileged few... are just biased and blowing smoke up each others ass in 200 threads a month.

I believe you lie, because I've read a post in this thread that said "I'm all for balance with vehicle and AV", then in dozens of other posts you type "At least three AVers should be needed to take out a single tank."

Jesus man, this is what....the third post in this thread of stating the same lie you yourself typed?

How many counter posts are you gonna create saying "Where did i lie?"

I'll do you a solid, again, you claim you want balanced vehicle vs AV...yet claim you want at least 3 AVer's to be able to take out a tank. *Hint* thats not balanced at all.

Shall we go another round of repetition?

King Checkmate why do you use bold and capitalized print all the time? I mean is it really necessary?
It really does not help get your point across any better and most of the time when I read your posts I get this mental image of some red faced hater foaming at the mouth.
I would like to read your posts and not get a head ache.

i think tanks should have a damage resistance to swarm launchers, since swarm launcher(i think) were made to kill dropships, and forge guns were made to put a stop to tanks, the problem is why one player with skills on tanks should destroy everyone else while another player with the same skills on AV cant take down single handed the other player on the tank, see the problem?, i understand the differences on isk and SP, but why a player should be much more powerful that another player with its counter weapons is not enough to kill him?, the thing is tanks can soak damage from 80 percent of the weapons, now the weapons made to defeat them are av grenades FG and swarm launchers, the other weapons are useless, so there is that problem, now im not going to say that tanks are op, they are not but they are not up as well, the real problem to tankers is the isk cost of 1 tank that gets killed, so they hardly go positive, but of course they should not be able to tank FG hits, now there are AV weapons that are missing as well so its hard to balance.

I went from long time Solo AV tank killer to a tanker. The sheer amount of fire power we take during the cause of the match is insane, it worse when one player can actually, on his own, constitute 2-3 players fire power in 3 AV grenades, which withing the grand scheme of things are weapons that don't make sense.

Why? is not balanced? The shotgun is a VERY powerful light weapon , capable of 1-2 HKOing any med frame. Nobody cries about it BECAUSE you need to GET CLOSE. Yet, TANKERS, with the ability to use good ACTIVE SCANNERS,have insane Armor rep abilities and 5000+ HP, COMPLAIN because an infantry man was suicidal enough to RUN TOWARDS atank ,and try to connect some AV nades.

OF COURSE,you have been a powerful AV infantry player,but it seems to me that you are thinking your ''balance'' from a tanker point of view. There by, BIASED.

Have you forgoten the lame SPEED on heavies.
How everything KILLS you even MLT AR while being a heavy ?
Have you forgotten the feeling of running towards an enemy tank to throw grenades and then, oops he saw me.Your dead..
Have you forgotten the TIME it takes to throw a swarm volley , and when infantry starts shooting at you the whole 3-4 seconds it takes for your character to react and acutally CHANGE weapons?
When your AV nade decides to not home in on a tank and just falls dead on the floor?
When you are Just about to kill a tank,but need to reload,and while you are at it the tank RUNS away or regenerated -++ his HP?
ARE YOU FORGETTING THE FACT, that in the WHOLE game, there are only 4 weapons to actually damage a and 1 of them doesnt even work?

Again , i call BS on the ''SOLO AV Specialist'', im pretty sure, as every Zion i've ever met , you run in Squads most of the time and have even Stat Pad several times, SPECIALLY as a forge gunner. BUT, Putting aside the fact that most of the times you had a squad backing you up, you really cant remember any of those feelings?

Anyhow, i think tankers (And of course you and Void echo) should stop asking for Nerfs on AV weaponry and wait to see what CCP brings us with the next vehicle balance update. Until then, we are just stuck in the same cycle....

You have got to be kidding me. Those guys were using either militia or standard SLs. I think I saw one advanced one. None of those guys were dedicated AV.

Why? is not balanced? The shotgun is a VERY powerful light weapon , capable of 1-2 HKOing any med frame. Nobody cries about it BECAUSE you need to GET CLOSE. Yet, TANKERS, with the ability to use good ACTIVE SCANNERS,have insane Armor rep abilities and 5000+ HP, COMPLAIN because an infantry man was suicidal enough to RUN TOWARDS atank ,and try to connect some AV nades.

OF COURSE,you have been a powerful AV infantry player,but it seems to me that you are thinking your ''balance'' from a tanker point of view. There by, BIASED.

Have you forgoten the lame SPEED on heavies.
How everything KILLS you even MLT AR while being a heavy ?
Have you forgotten the feeling of running towards an enemy tank to throw grenades and then, oops he saw me.Your dead..
Have you forgotten the TIME it takes to throw a swarm volley , and when infantry starts shooting at you the whole 3-4 seconds it takes for your character to react and acutally CHANGE weapons?
When your AV nade decides to not home in on a tank and just falls dead on the floor?
When you are Just about to kill a tank,but need to reload,and while you are at it the tank RUNS away or regenerated -++ his HP?
ARE YOU FORGETTING THE FACT, that in the WHOLE game, there are only 4 weapons to actually damage a and 1 of them doesnt even work?

Again , i call BS on the ''SOLO AV Specialist'', im pretty sure, as every Zion i've ever met , you run in Squads most of the time and have even Stat Pad several times, SPECIALLY as a forge gunner. BUT, Putting aside the fact that most of the times you had a squad backing you up, you really cant remember any of those feelings?

Anyhow, i think tankers (And of course you and Void echo) should stop asking for Nerfs on AV weaponry and wait to see what CCP brings us with the next vehicle balance update. Until then, we are just stuck in the same cycle....

agreed on the point that tankers are ****** up if they want to kill infantry mainly with it, I myself and many others have skilled into tanks for the tank battles, destroying enemy vehicles is one of our main reasons, we could care less about infantry unless they have AV.

the efficiency is ******* low as it is, we barely survive anything, if you reduce anything we have already, you effectively kill tanks altogether. we need buffs, no more unwarranted nerfs.

I disagree.

I think tanks should be weakened and made a lot cheaper and expendable... That way its a staple of DUST 514. So they are maxed out called on every battlefield... there would be ton's of vehicle on vehicle battles... and if an infantry chooses to run AV it will be to support one of his tanker buddies to kill other tanks... and would be at a massive disadvantage in the infantry vs infantry engagements.

the way it is right now is Completely broken and no way to balance or fix it.

You cant make tankers some elitist privileged group...It's game breaking. Relevant tanks should be accessible to all player groups... Then that player makes the decision if he wants to practice as a full time tanker or move on to the many other choices in DUST....

with the way it is now, tanking is some kind of elitest group, only the best of us can survive every round and turn some kind of profit.

don't make tanks weaker, they are already trash, if you want to reduce anything the way it s now, reduce the price, tanks are not worth their price.

Your stupid since you want to turn DUST514 into Twisted metal. ITS A FPS.

First person SHOOTER.not tanker.

SHOOOOOOOOOOOOOTER

Yeah you can be important, not you will not be the main character .

how many times do I have to say it before you people actually see it, do I have to put it in bold and underlined words?

I guess I have to.

IM WAITING FOR THE **** TO GET CHANGED BECAUSE THE BALANCE DOESNT EXIST. I PUT THIS VIDEO HERE TO SHOW EVERYONE A NON BIAS WAY OF EXPLAINING THE TANK SIDE.

Tanks are used primarily as infantry killers in everything BUT PC..... if you want to go up against a bunch of infantry all packing some AV... your gonna die... any 1 vs 3-5 situation usually doesn't yield well for a person without a lot of luck being present why a tank should be different?.

That's the problem... tanks should be fighting tanks as you said... And with its current strength either the tank is owning or they are about to explode.... because either its the tank vs 1-2 at a time or its vs 4-10+more at a time...

If tanks are playing to fight other tanks gameplay changes... the way they even fit the tanks and choose their squad's change... The entire gameplay around tanks are changed....

They are to powerful to be running full strength and numbers on maps.... they would squash everything like a joke if there was enough tankers running that way every match...

They need a complete overhaul in the way they even work in this game... And that start's from reducing the efficacy drastically so we can field more... then of course cost reductions so players will actually field them..

Running no loss's shouldn't be the only way a tanker goes isk positive in a match... and creates a MASSIVE balance problem from the word go.

That video is very biased.

Saying yeah : the forge gun, it needs to be powerful===. then: IT NEEDA A NERF.
The : Tanks are UP ==> Kills somebody every 20 seconds LOL....

Yea lets wait and then e can kill each other in the forums...

every tanker I know didn't skill into tanks to kill infantry, we all did it to kill other tanks.

I might suggest world of tanks? its very tank focused and extremely accurate... But this is DUST... and we all know how fast tanker battles end...

These tankers didn't first start pulling it out with comfort until there was no decent enemy tanks on the field. As the learning curve of tanks are expensive..

People cut their teeth with tanks killing infantry... the entire basis around tank's in PUB's with the current game dynamic's do not promote tank fights.... and if it did... we would see spider tank squads moving around....

The way tanks are now is game breaking and damaging the entire concept of tanks, buffing them is only causing more issues for when advanced and proto tanks and *crosses fingers* other race tanks come out.

This problem will get worse and worse as they leave it too.

That video is very biased.

Saying yeah : the forge gun, it needs to be powerful===. then: IT NEEDA A NERF.
The : Tanks are UP ==> Kills somebody every 20 seconds LOL....

Yea lets wait and then e can kill each other in the forums...

I dont see its biased, it pretty much sums up how i feel, like sometimes tanks are op, then other times they are up, it all depends on the opposite team and what they got....

1 clued up proto av dude and the tank gonna have a hard time, but given the size of maps, its manageable

2+ proto av, and it starts to become a nightmare for tank, personally i check the other team and debate whether i can bring one in or not, but when you get 5+ games that you cant call a tank, it starts to feel like a waste of isk and sp

infantry or tanker, we all been in them pubs on a side with a complete bunch of dimwits, given the cost of tanks, its a nightmare when your on that bad team

same for infantry, maybe no one got good av, then your ****** and have a crap game

its a tough thing to balance, and have a non-biased view on, but i think ccp on the right track with this "burst tanking" stuff, like, tank goes in gets a couple of mins of beast mode (still kill-able just a bit more solid), then withdraws for cooldowns, which is pretty much how it is now, except, tankers cant have a "beast" mode when theres 2+ proto av out very well, let alone escape




draw distance \ rendering need some kind of buff, or it doesnt matter wtf they do to tanks

burst mode makes them tanks for 1 minute, then completely useless the rest of the time, its not on the right track, if the cooldown time wasn't going to be a minute, then it would be the start of something great.

I think they had something about burst mode, I believe it was siege mode, which I do believe was scrapped.

if you want an infantry only game, might I suggest call of duty? its 100% infantry and totally boring. but this is Dust 514. and we all know how stupid infantry is.

I dont see its biased, it pretty much sums up how i feel, like sometimes tanks are op, then other times they are up, it all depends on the opposite team and what they got....

1 clued up proto av dude and the tank gonna have a hard time, but given the size of maps, its manageable

2+ proto av, and it starts to become a nightmare for tank, personally i check the other team and debate whether i can bring one in or not, but when you get 5+ games that you cant call a tank, it starts to feel like a waste of isk and sp

infantry or tanker, we all been in them pubs on a side with a complete bunch of dimwits, given the cost of tanks, its a nightmare when your on that bad team

same for infantry, maybe no one got good av, then your ****** and have a crap game

its a tough thing to balance, and have a non-biased view on, but i think ccp on the right track with this "burst tanking" stuff, like, tank goes in gets a couple of mins of beast mode (still kill-able just a bit more solid), then withdraws for cooldowns, which is pretty much how it is now, except, tankers cant have a "beast" mode when theres 2+ proto av out very well, let alone escape




draw distance \ rendering need some kind of buff, or it doesnt matter wtf they do to tanks