He goes 22-0 vs dedicated anti tank players... and he's new at it. Nerf tanks.

i think we all see the problem here... armor reps.


that is all, well i did have one more thing to say, with vehicles getting pushed from 1.5 they should atleast change resistance for explosives to give gunnlogi missile tanks a chance to take down armor tanks. as it stands its the norm for armor tanks to recharge their health while taking large missile fire.

''Tanks Arent STrong'' ======> Doesnt die a single time even while being shot by a forge gun and a swarm launcher AT THE SAME TIME.

In the first video , our friend here calls in his tank and some other player too (2 or 3 tanks maybe?)
Each time the poor enemy team would take AV out they would get ravaged by infantry.
The numers are WAY too small (12 vs 12? ) To sacrifice 5+ infatry players to try and take down 2 tanks...

MLT tanks shouldnt die to 2 forge guns shot. PROTO FG vs MLT tank? SRSLY?

He runs around in a 7800 HP tank,with resistance, easily owning people (And his aim sucks) and then says that tanks are not strong.
Then says that FG need a nerf while getting hit by swarms and FG alike and he just walks off with his damage resistances and armor regen modules active asit is nothing LOL....

TAnks dont need a buff, they are ok as they are. The only sane thing he said is: ''TANKERS NEVER KNOW WHEN TO GT*O''

Good for him that he knows when to fight and when to leave.

WAnt to BUFF TANKS?
NERF FGs?

DO IT, but then limit a battle to a MAXIMUM of 1 tank per team. BALANCE....

face it the reps are the problem. when a light rep does more then what heavy rep should do they are broken. do the math, its true.
if armor tank only used one light rep that would be more effective then a shield using a heavy booster. even armor LLAVs have more recovering ability then shield tanks. armor tanks survive 10x worse then what shield tanks can.

He should have died from a sneeze.

OP vehicles are OP.

NOT EVEYONE IS TOO LAZY TO DO THAT. I have All AV weapons at proto level,and guess what? Tanks CAN get away and CAN survive...And they are a pain to deal with...If a FGunner is NOT in an elevated place,hes useless,since he cant keep shooting the tanks unti l he gets the kill (like in the first map they played...) A swarm launcher specialist NEEDS to be at certain distance exposing himself to enemy infantry,same with AV nades.


Im sorry but its a VERY limited player per map game. 12 on each side?
if one team decides to bing out 3 tanks the amount of AV weaponry needed would be of a MINIMUM of 4 AV specialistsThat will get ravaged by enemy infantry and tanks alike,plus,making taking out so many tanks will be a prriority to the AV specialists while RISKING to loose the game because of inferior OBJECTIVE focused infantry.

So you dont want 1 tank per game? then leave FGs and tanks as they are.

Our friend here who made the video,Pirex was it? Just proof how powerful tanks are....
Turrets were useless vs it, AV was useless vs him and when something HURT him,he was fast enought to get away with impunity...

TY Pyrex for proof positive Tanks are OP.

AT LEAST I HAVE CAPACITY of Thought.
Look you re*arded smuck, im getting realy tired of your scrubness and the only reason i havnt replied to you before is because he respect i have For ANON Illuminati (because hes my mentor).
BUT PLEASE tell me WHERE IN THIS THREAD i said tanks are OP and i'll send you 5 million you way NOw.

3 points you cant deny:

1-I've never said TANKS ARE OP. I say they are good. Contrary to TANKERS SAYING THEY ARE UP.Im against NERFING AV WEAPONRY, tahts about it and what really triggers my posting.I use my tales of times i cant kill a tanks as proof that good tankers can and DO survive in the battlefield. OF COURSE I CAN KILL TANKS WITH MY PROTO AV WEAPORY.If im on a roof and i have full vision of the map,my ISHIKUNE FG will rip any tank appart if he doesnt hide on time. Same with the Proto Swarms and Grenades,if i have the advantage to be able to shoot the tanks without being seen....ADD ON: Im not EVEN AGAINST Buffing tanks, if with this we get a reduction in numers deplyed per battle. (Say 1-2 tanks MAX ,considering the low player count available per game)I've even posted several times tanks and their modules + turrets SHOULD be cheaper,in an ATTEMPT TO ENCOURAGE TANKING.
2-If you are going to make a video to make a point, this point being ''tanks are UP'' , DOnt show a video owning people with a Tank.
3-@ My Compatriot True Adamance. ISK wise you are not even that far away. My adv suit costs around 85k. Bring in consideration being infantry YOU WILL DIE, doesnt matter how good you get to be,because there is always a random grenade, an enemy ambush, a tank that owns you when you dont have your AV, Charged sniper rifle etc....So i do between 5-8 deaths per game. This is between 1700000 ISK and 2720000 ISK Every 4 games. I've seen TANKERs taht dont die in 4 games.I havnt seen anyone BUT a sniper in 1.4 that can go 4 games in a row without dying once. Lets say you loose a 3 million isk tank every 4 games. Thats only 280000 more ISK, at the advantage of a much better K-D ratio and field presence....
If you loose 1 3mil tank every game,you are doing it wrong.

We agree on somthing.

STILL, he does pretty damn good with a tanks to say they are UP.

I'll tell you wahts UP, COMMANDOS are UP, SCOUTS ARE UP...not tanks...

-1st/ Stop it with the CoD crap.Its getting old and its not insulting,just stupid. I;ve never played that game, I played MAG.
-2nd/World of TANKS is that way (XD) =========>
-3rd/ The difference between you and me is i do KIND of care about vehicles ,because they are a part of the game i like. There for, making all my opinions more valid than your tank loving biased opinions.
4th/Yes i see the randoms trying to win an already finished match, but when you tankers get killed by AV weaponry, you also dont see the ifantry behind you throwing packed AV nades, the FGunner sniping you from a roof?.. NO , you only saw 2 swarms coming your way and came in to QQ how a Proto SL totally wrecks your tank.
5th/I have fully skilled Proto AV. I even have proficiency.Im an above avarege player and even with some help sometimes is impossible to drop a tank. So no, i dont want some random scrub with MLT swarms to drop a tank. I want tankers to start realizing , THEY ARE NOT BEING SOLOED. they are being hunt down by different AV players at the time ....

I think I was in the opposing team on that vid, we got raped because what you don't see is that they had two MORE tanks on the field.
Half my team seemed to be afk'ing and I was the only one who even seemed to have av nades (those packed av nades) and my one squad mate only had a militia sl.
The reason they dominated that match was because my team SUCKED, if I had squaded up with my regular corp members before the match I bet things would have gone differently. Instead I went 9-14 and was first on the damn list, it felt like I'd randomly been lumped with a bunch of noobs for that one game. Has anyone else recently experienced this kind of godawful matchmaking lately? My norm for soloing is 1st or second place with 15-2, that night I got about four games in the row of nothing but this kind of bs

Oh so now we are ALL stupid...?

**** you Void. LOL

BUT he does prove 1 of my points: Tanks should get a limitation to 1-2 at the time. more than 2 is just too much
(if the y get a buff that is)

Your stupid since you want to turn DUST514 into Twisted meta. ITS A FPS.

First person SHOOTER.not tanker.

SHOOOOOOOOOOOOOTER

NOBODY SAYS IT HAS TO BE ONLY about infantry.

All FPS have a vehicle element. But vehicles, IN FPS GAMES, are support role. Not , LOL me tanker i own all 12 red alone... like you want it to be.

Please comment on my post Void...i wanna hear how you try and say your opinion has more merit then someone elses, given the same context.

on other FPS do you survive 2+ AV weaponry? in other games are you able to play as a tanker and NOT DIE?

in this game, do you see a single RPG take down your tank?

'' in this game does pilot not suffer from the destruction of vehicles?'' = Well yeah. Everybody hates to die and loose money. so?

You talk like if getting ALL PROTO AV and getting killed 5+ times for hunting TAnks and somettimes not even killing them is not investment at all.
I CANNOT REASON with you, you dont EVER put in someone elses shoes. You just think tank,tank,tank...
I created and played as a 8 mil tanker for a whole month,just to see what it was all about. I would really LOVE to see a vid of you killing a good tank/tanker ALONE.

I think the same of you :3
How nice.

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Anyways echo. im trying to reason here wih you but you are not understanding me.

Tanks are not OP. AV is not OP.
If tanks get buff, there SHOULD be a limitation of the amound of tanks deployed in a 12 vs 12 battle...

So...now you are assuming things? based on what?

No, I don't have 15 mil SP invested into tanks. Do you?

I went pure Forge gun after the HMG was decided by CCP to become a **** weapon. And i know for a fact, that against say...Ted Nugget, after 6 Forge gun shots against his Madruger, from an Ishukone Assault Forge gun with Prof 5 skill, he was still chugging along with a little under half HP out of my line of sight.

6 Forge hits, with a proto assault FG, with prof 5, with two complex damage mods...can't kill him because he knows how to tank, and knows when he needs to retreat. Now this was DURING his self judged execution of half a dozen blueberries. He was killing ****, while taking fire from a single Proto AVer, getting kills and still managed to easily get away.

We all know that until you have the SP to properly fit a tank, its a water balloon ready to pop.

We all ALSO know that a properly fitted tank is a damn god on the battlefield.

Why can't you admit that? The entire vehicle and AV **** needs a rebalancing, and that will come eventually.

What makes me assume you aren't a high SP tanker, or at least, not a pro...is your complete "ignorance" of both sides of the coin, or your simple refusal to admit that there's a problem on both ends of the Rock/Paper system.

Either or, after 6 months you are simply sounding like a douche who cares for nothing but the resurrection of the godmode that was tanks in the past, with no argument on how to actually balance the two to be in sync.

It's rock/paper/scissors. Even tanks HAVE to have a weakness in this game, or else wtf is the point of rock/paper/scissors?

It's rock/paper/scissors. Even tanks HAVE to have a weakness in this game, or else wtf is the point of rock/paper/scissors?

This is your problem, you expect to run around solo with no team help and still not get killed lol
yeah....no, your dead wrong on that

For a tank to survive against proto av as it stands, more so if theres more than one of them, you pretty much need a good team behind you, whether they randoms or corp mates, either that or spend the match doing laps around the map.
in order for you to make a profit on tanking in general, you need to be one of the best at it, in the situation, if your just average, your nothing. that's the problem

even the dude in the video gets it, like he said, have a look who you got on your team, have a look whos on the opposite and then call your tank in or not based on that.....
that's fine and all, when your teamed up with competent people who will actually pay attention, listen and work for the team's victory... but no, most of the games I get in im always on the team with the stupid ass bluetards

Yea, I've seen you complain consistently on the forums...as well as notice your total SP rising consistently. So you clearly are playing this game you hate so much.

So, why is it that you "don't have a problem with balance", yet at every turn...complain about the balance between tanks and AV. Please link a post where you say "A properly fitted tank can do wonders on a battlefield". I couldn't find one.

The only thing i ever see from you is that tanks are so god damn weak, that ANY solo AVer can pop them in a matter of seconds.

Pray tell me where you talk about ACTUAL balance between AV and tanks, instead of simply buffing tanks to where it takes at least 3 AV to destroy, which you have stated SHOULD be the case in MANY posts.

I love how the ret@rded General says im to be ignored yet reads and enjoys my every post.
Like i give a f*** what you think. Im waiting for Void to reply.Even if i think hes demented and WRONG, he defends what he sees correct,gives input and that makes him valuable to the community.
People thinking they are the smartass hot internet lol troll winners , are just sad.

Bro, you are sad

to which you answer



and then




contradict yourself much or what...

your a ******* idiot, plain and simple

They clearly they do, but carry on, its rather amusing

But armor is supposed to be(or at least traditionally is) low reps and big buffer.Right now armor has a biggish buffer and HUGE reps. A complex level heavy repair module repairs like 4000-5000 HP really fast.

No I don't want them to be useless. I want them to be more like they should be. Armor tanks should have massive HP and good damage capabilities but a low repair rate, low speed with high acceleration. Shield take should be much flimsier, but have stupidly fast reps, super high damage, and high speed with slow acceleration.Armor tanks should be brawler-like, driving right into the fray and causing mayhem for awhile before they leave. While Shield tanks should be hit and run or ambush type vehicles, zipping around(compared to armor tanks) and doing massive damage as they drive by, or getting behind the enemy to surprise them with huge alpha damage.

Looks like you are joining Void's bandwagon of spewing **** that doesn't make sense with anything I've said.

Okay, instead of an insult. Prove me otherwise.

I already told you as a Heavy, I've suffered through hardships over a 6 month period.

Tell me how I'm wrong?

Or should i take a page from you and Void's book and say "Pfft, you don't have over 15mil of SP into a Heavy suit, so your opinion doesn't matter."

Or are you gonna result to throwing out insults as your basis of argument?

Edit - oh wait, you already used an insult as your entire counter argument.

Well played sir. You get a like for your originality.

Are you saying you've provided valid points?

I would quote myself one page back, but I'm sure you would pass it off like you did when i typed it earlier.

You claimed you are all for a balanced Vehicle vs AV.

Yet i stated, based on ALL of your posts that corroborate my comment on you feeling tanks are so weak they should ONLY be able to be destroyed by at least 3 AV (please sir, don't make me link previous posts of yours and make you look god awful ********).

Why instead of admitting you feel that way, you resort to insults?

Please enlighten me on how thats balancing Dust again? all your other posts are just you complaining proto AVers can somehow solo you with ultimate ease.

If you still can't see my point from that post above.

You are far too delusional that you began to believe the lies you are saying.

Actually, i have work at 8 am.

I already have to watch 4 episodes of DVR recorded Adventure Time every morning to appease my daughter.

Please provide me with another post asking where you lied at, and how I have no idea what I'm talking about, even though all your previous posts are open for view by everyone.

I'll enjoy the humour tomorrow morning as i stack DVD's onto the shelves.

(Be sure to make fun of my current profession, lord knows the only thing you do when trapped in a corner, like a rat, is the attempt at insults.)

lol. I had to share this post with my wife and step brother.

They loved it as much as i did.

You are now my favourite forum toy.

Rest assured, I'll be looking up your forum posts and showcasing your "logic". It truly is a horribly beautiful sight.

Tankers who think they should fight infantry all day and have an advantage are sick people.

There is a call in limit on tanks for maps... reduce the efficacy drastically on tanks... Make them cost slight over dropsuits... and let the tanks reign...

People who think tankers should be a privileged few... are just biased and blowing smoke up each others ass in 200 threads a month.

I believe you lie, because I've read a post in this thread that said "I'm all for balance with vehicle and AV", then in dozens of other posts you type "At least three AVers should be needed to take out a single tank."

Jesus man, this is what....the third post in this thread of stating the same lie you yourself typed?

How many counter posts are you gonna create saying "Where did i lie?"

I'll do you a solid, again, you claim you want balanced vehicle vs AV...yet claim you want at least 3 AVer's to be able to take out a tank. *Hint* thats not balanced at all.

Shall we go another round of repetition?

i think tanks should have a damage resistance to swarm launchers, since swarm launcher(i think) were made to kill dropships, and forge guns were made to put a stop to tanks, the problem is why one player with skills on tanks should destroy everyone else while another player with the same skills on AV cant take down single handed the other player on the tank, see the problem?, i understand the differences on isk and SP, but why a player should be much more powerful that another player with its counter weapons is not enough to kill him?, the thing is tanks can soak damage from 80 percent of the weapons, now the weapons made to defeat them are av grenades FG and swarm launchers, the other weapons are useless, so there is that problem, now im not going to say that tanks are op, they are not but they are not up as well, the real problem to tankers is the isk cost of 1 tank that gets killed, so they hardly go positive, but of course they should not be able to tank FG hits, now there are AV weapons that are missing as well so its hard to balance.

Why? is not balanced? The shotgun is a VERY powerful light weapon , capable of 1-2 HKOing any med frame. Nobody cries about it BECAUSE you need to GET CLOSE. Yet, TANKERS, with the ability to use good ACTIVE SCANNERS,have insane Armor rep abilities and 5000+ HP, COMPLAIN because an infantry man was suicidal enough to RUN TOWARDS atank ,and try to connect some AV nades.

OF COURSE,you have been a powerful AV infantry player,but it seems to me that you are thinking your ''balance'' from a tanker point of view. There by, BIASED.

Have you forgoten the lame SPEED on heavies.
How everything KILLS you even MLT AR while being a heavy ?
Have you forgotten the feeling of running towards an enemy tank to throw grenades and then, oops he saw me.Your dead..
Have you forgotten the TIME it takes to throw a swarm volley , and when infantry starts shooting at you the whole 3-4 seconds it takes for your character to react and acutally CHANGE weapons?
When your AV nade decides to not home in on a tank and just falls dead on the floor?
When you are Just about to kill a tank,but need to reload,and while you are at it the tank RUNS away or regenerated -++ his HP?
ARE YOU FORGETTING THE FACT, that in the WHOLE game, there are only 4 weapons to actually damage a and 1 of them doesnt even work?

Again , i call BS on the ''SOLO AV Specialist'', im pretty sure, as every Zion i've ever met , you run in Squads most of the time and have even Stat Pad several times, SPECIALLY as a forge gunner. BUT, Putting aside the fact that most of the times you had a squad backing you up, you really cant remember any of those feelings?

Anyhow, i think tankers (And of course you and Void echo) should stop asking for Nerfs on AV weaponry and wait to see what CCP brings us with the next vehicle balance update. Until then, we are just stuck in the same cycle....

I disagree.

I think tanks should be weakened and made a lot cheaper and expendable... That way its a staple of DUST 514. So they are maxed out called on every battlefield... there would be ton's of vehicle on vehicle battles... and if an infantry chooses to run AV it will be to support one of his tanker buddies to kill other tanks... and would be at a massive disadvantage in the infantry vs infantry engagements.

the way it is right now is Completely broken and no way to balance or fix it.

You cant make tankers some elitist privileged group...It's game breaking. Relevant tanks should be accessible to all player groups... Then that player makes the decision if he wants to practice as a full time tanker or move on to the many other choices in DUST....

Tanks are used primarily as infantry killers in everything BUT PC..... if you want to go up against a bunch of infantry all packing some AV... your gonna die... any 1 vs 3-5 situation usually doesn't yield well for a person without a lot of luck being present why a tank should be different?.

That's the problem... tanks should be fighting tanks as you said... And with its current strength either the tank is owning or they are about to explode.... because either its the tank vs 1-2 at a time or its vs 4-10+more at a time...

If tanks are playing to fight other tanks gameplay changes... the way they even fit the tanks and choose their squad's change... The entire gameplay around tanks are changed....

They are to powerful to be running full strength and numbers on maps.... they would squash everything like a joke if there was enough tankers running that way every match...

They need a complete overhaul in the way they even work in this game... And that start's from reducing the efficacy drastically so we can field more... then of course cost reductions so players will actually field them..

Running no loss's shouldn't be the only way a tanker goes isk positive in a match... and creates a MASSIVE balance problem from the word go.

That video is very biased.

Saying yeah : the forge gun, it needs to be powerful===. then: IT NEEDA A NERF.
The : Tanks are UP ==> Kills somebody every 20 seconds LOL....

Yea lets wait and then e can kill each other in the forums...

I might suggest world of tanks? its very tank focused and extremely accurate... But this is DUST... and we all know how fast tanker battles end...

These tankers didn't first start pulling it out with comfort until there was no decent enemy tanks on the field. As the learning curve of tanks are expensive..

People cut their teeth with tanks killing infantry... the entire basis around tank's in PUB's with the current game dynamic's do not promote tank fights.... and if it did... we would see spider tank squads moving around....

The way tanks are now is game breaking and damaging the entire concept of tanks, buffing them is only causing more issues for when advanced and proto tanks and *crosses fingers* other race tanks come out.

This problem will get worse and worse as they leave it too.

I dont see its biased, it pretty much sums up how i feel, like sometimes tanks are op, then other times they are up, it all depends on the opposite team and what they got....

1 clued up proto av dude and the tank gonna have a hard time, but given the size of maps, its manageable

2+ proto av, and it starts to become a nightmare for tank, personally i check the other team and debate whether i can bring one in or not, but when you get 5+ games that you cant call a tank, it starts to feel like a waste of isk and sp

infantry or tanker, we all been in them pubs on a side with a complete bunch of dimwits, given the cost of tanks, its a nightmare when your on that bad team

same for infantry, maybe no one got good av, then your ****** and have a crap game

its a tough thing to balance, and have a non-biased view on, but i think ccp on the right track with this "burst tanking" stuff, like, tank goes in gets a couple of mins of beast mode (still kill-able just a bit more solid), then withdraws for cooldowns, which is pretty much how it is now, except, tankers cant have a "beast" mode when theres 2+ proto av out very well, let alone escape




draw distance \ rendering need some kind of buff, or it doesnt matter wtf they do to tanks